>>22009747 Homegrown herbs and cheese chunks embedded in puffy focaccia dough, in a cast iron. Any toppings can be embedded as well. Tomato puree lightly sauced on top.
>>22010277 >I love detroit style so much. fuck. and I live in an area where it doesnt exist. anyone have a good recipe/method for conventional oven? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eq6TQY93XiE ^There's an excel spreadsheet that auto-calculate ingredients for your given pan size/shape linked in this recipe vid. I've used it and it's works fabulously (use a throwaway email if needed).
>>22010277 Check out your local food libraries; Buddy's has a frozen pizza in a foil pan thats reasonably good. Bake it for 30 mins, its pretty darn close and better than Little Caesars.
Can't really help you with cooking it at home, I'm one of those people who just can't seem to make a good pizza, or fried chicken at home.
>>22011252 the problem is I used to live near buddy's and cloverleaf before moving out of michigan and I don't think the frozen shit from a factory with buddy's name on it is going to hold up to my ideals
>>22011194 Ok let's quote pizzafacts.net http://www.pizzafacts.net/pizza-making/pizza-ingredients/ >Cheese is traditionally the most common topping found on modern pizzas. I rest my case.
>>22011302 without cheese, pizza is just bread and cant be called a pizza. im not budging on this. might as well say that curry sauce is the main topping of chicken curry or something.
>>22011323 >without cheese, pizza is just bread and cant be called a pizza I agree, cheese is one of the toppings that defines it as a pizza. Cheese and tomato are prerequisite toppings. Curry sauce can be a topping if put on a pizza (with or without chicken), but otherwise it's just a sauce.
>>22011383 >Cheese and tomato are prerequisite toppings. What about white pizzas? Those alfredo or garlic white sauces with chicken and spinach or something?
>>22009747 Under. The cheese is what holds the pizza together, the majority of the toppings need to be held in place. The only exceptions are anchovies, basil and pepperoni.
>>22011323 you fucking lost, and let me be the one to pull you into salivation salvation. how in the fucking shit are you supposed to counter-fact a website with that denomination? What you propose is against the very law of nature.
>>22011383 >>22011393 how about looking at it this way - when you call up a pizza joint to place an order and they ask you what toppings you want, do you start by mentioning cheese?
of course you dont, and if you do its because you're a faggot. i say this as one who worked in a pizza joint, so, like, i know all about it.
>>22011405 >comic book guy voice >"Uh, huh-ha. CLEARLY that's not a pizza, you imbecile" >"That mass of dough and cheese is ^nothing more than a breadstick." kys, 'za-let
>>22011423 its absolutely necessary to have pepperoni and other meat like ham squares etc on top. the pineapple should be embedded in cheese but not covered. Cheese-coverers generally dont have many friends for a good reason
>>22011425 no, because it does not fulfill enough of the requirements >toppings on bread yes >pizza dough no >typically cut into many slices no >share food no > traditional pizza flavours no >pizza shaped no >has pizza vibes no
>>22011439 Whats the difference between pizza dough and bread dough? Whats the difference between a triangle (diagonal) cut grilled cheese and a pizza slice? You've never shared half a grilled cheese with your significant other? If the qualification for a pizza is traditional pizza flavors, how can a sauceless pizza be considered a pizza when its missing a significant portion of pizza flavors? Can you define a pizza shape? Because it can be round and cut into triangles. It can be round and cut into squares (party cut). It can be square and cut into smaller squares. What is a pizza shape? Pizza vibes aren't real, thats a low IQ term that means nothing, 67.
>>22011441 >Whats the difference between pizza dough and bread dough? you annoy me, I stopped reading after this you already understand, you are just acting like a retard for no good reason
>>22011448 Not pizza shaped, I'm afraid. This is the most important metric, since pizzas are defined by a vertical stack of ingredients, and these two are both folded at some stage. Sushi pizza is pizza, because it is pizza shaped, but calzones are not pizza. To clarify, a calzone used to be a pizza, but it is not anymore.
>>22011454 When is it no longer pizza shaped? You can't say because it was folded in half its no longer pizza shaped, that assumes if I eat half a pizza I'm no longer eating pizza because its now a half-circle. John Travolta putting a slice on top of another slice means he didn't eat pizza in that opening scene?
>>22011448 no. its more like a cheese pasty at that point but i fully understand why calzone is generally included under the pizza heading in menus. but its technically not a pizza
>>22011847 cheese is part of what pizza is, so you cant really say it goes onto top of the pizza since theres no pizza for it to go on top of until its already there.
therefore its the other things which are toppings and must go ON TOP of the pizza.
in most cases toppings should be embedded or have a moderate cheese dusting. the only case I'd want them fully exposed is something like a basic single topping meat. combo pizzas that have onions, olives, mushrooms on top completely naked are trash.
>>22012583 you know what happens when you fold a slice of bread in half? it turns into a sandwich and is no longer a slice of bread. same thing with the pizza to calzone pipeline.
>>22011435 This is a common misconception and exactly what thread is about. If you don't cover them with cheese they will most definitely burn unless cooked for a very short time at extremely high heat. Fragile toppings (like basil) need covering. Other toppings don't need covering. Anchovies for example. Basil works as an uncooked and cooked topping.
>>22012588 >>22011435 nta, I personally never had a proper margherer like in your pic, but I've had a half assed pizza that I LOVE, it has fresh bazil, unbaked and it's OP as fuck, picrel, if any of you cook pizza I recommend it completely
they only bake the dough with the tomato, after, they put some herbs o, some kind of herb seasoning, don't ask me what the fuck it is, then they put the mozarella slices topped with fresh basil leaves, and those topped with home made pesto rosso, shit's insane. for refference just tasting the tomato alone is amazing it's not a fancy pizza place at all, it's just a working class's neighborughood pizzeria with some kind of middle eastern owner and filipino workers
>>22011400 No I don't mention the base either. The base and prerequisite toppings (cheese and tomato sauce) are already included by virtue of it being a pizza.
If I ordered a garlic bread and they asked if I wanted another toppings (besides the prerequisite garlic butter which goes without saying), and I said no other toppings but I do want cheese on it... They'd think I was weird and rightly so because cheese IS a topping.
>>22011385 I will concede that tomato isn't necessarily always a prerequisite topping. That doesn't change the fact that cheese and tomato are toppings.
>>22012826 you're almost there. the reason you dont mention the cheese is that its inherent to the category of 'pizza', whereas everything else is optional. therefore, cheese is no more a pizza topping than the pastry surrounding an apple pie is apple pie topping. cream, ice cream etc could be considered toppings in this case, but without the pastry you simply dont have a pie.
this is why you would never ask for pastry on your apple pie if you ordered apple pie from an apple pie joint.
>>22012829 >I will concede that tomato isn't necessarily always a prerequisite topping. but some kind of sauce under the cheese IS necessary, or what you've got isn't a pizza. its just cheesy bread.
>>22012837 The cheese being inherent to the category of pizza doesn't preclude it from being a topping. It's a topping that is inherent to pizza. Pepperoni is an optional topping. Cheese is a non-optional topping.
>>22012846 >Cheese is a non-optional topping. if its non-optional then its not a topping since the category of 'pizza topping' means 'that which goes on top of pizza'.
>>22012852 i agree with that definition. im glad we can finally agree that cheese is not a pizza topping.
>>22012836 if you put some fillings on a tortilla, then put another one on top and optionally rolled that thing up (which I'm not sure there's even a name for), then that would be a kind of sandwich otherwise, probably not
How much of your life do you need to spend arguing with retards? Pizza is leavened dough covered with tomato sauce, mozzarella cheese and optional other toppings then cooked to melt the cheese.
>>22010356 So much faffin about and he can't be bothered to make it look good? I just do Chef John's version, dough in the food processor, diced old gouda, sliced cheap local salami, sauce from a jar. Done in 90 minutes.
>>22013085 Yes, but if it's Neapolitan style it could just be olive oil and garlic/tomato sauce and basil etc... but as a general definition round dough base, sauce, cheese.
>>22009747 >under or over Both. I put my pizza toppings in between the cheese. So I spread the pomodoro over the pizza base, then I sprinkle a layer of cheese on that. Then I apply the toppings, then I sprinkle another light layer of cheese over the toppings.
>>22012857 >the category of 'pizza topping' means 'that which goes on top of pizza'. Does "curry sauce" mean "that sauce which is added to curry?" No. It means the sauce used to make the curry. Similarly, "pizza toppings" means the toppings used in the making of a pizza. That includes the sauce and cheese.
>im glad we can finally agree that cheese is not a pizza topping. I'm sorry you struggle with reading.
>>22013920 its all been hashed out above. basically comes down to it not being a pizza without cheese, so to say that cheese is a pizza topping is a meaningless category error.
>>22013924 A pepperoni pizza is not a pepperoni pizza without the pepperoni. By your reasoning, pepperoni is therefore not a topping on a pepperoni pizza. Will you say pepperoni is not a pizza topping now?
>>22013932 >By your reasoning, pepperoni is therefore not a topping on a pepperoni pizza. correct, since 'pepperoni pizza' already contains the pepperoni. anything else added to that would be a topping.
>>22013936 But if you add pepperoni to a cheese pizza it becomes a pepperoni pizza. According to you, that means the pepperoni stops being a topping. Are you saying pepperoni is never a pizza topping?
>>22014257 > if you add pepperoni to a cheese pizza it becomes a pepperoni pizza. light - is it a particle or a wave? >that means the pepperoni stops being a topping. only if you observe it
>>22010356 >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eq6TQY93XiE i hate this little boyman, makes you sign up to his gay email newsletter to get the pizza calculator, hopefully a strong breeze whisks him away one day
>>22011323 >>22011383 >>22011302 in Italy there is plenty of traditional pizzas without cheese, originally actually neapolitan pizzellas did not have cheese only tomato and maybe anchovies. but yeah I guess for amerrican standards cheese may be a defining feature. the based Palazzolo brothers on Krispy Pizza
>>22015222 That's interesting. I heard the original Italian pizza had tomato, mozzarella, and oregano or basil to make it red, white and green; the colours of the Italian flag.
That might've been a special commemorative edition though. I can't be arsed to look it up but that's what I heard.
