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This thread is for the discussion of Japanese visual novels read untranslated in Japanese.
What are you playing? What are you looking forward to? What have you finished?
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So how's anemoi?
I want to read it but it's a key game and sometimes they're great and sometimes they're terrible and sometimes they're great for 80 hours then so terrible at the end they're retroactively awful.
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nips cream their pants over Koyomi's route writing about how they cried hard and how much it moved them and it's best or second best route in the game, while simultaneously saying it's just classic predictable most Key-like route written by newbie writer, I honestly don't get them.
It seems Awayuki route is experimental, others not so much. Also, nomiracles and happy endingsin the story this time at all.
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>and it's best or second best route in the game, while simultaneously saying it's just classic predictable most Key-like route written by newbie writer, I honestly don't get them.
What is there to get?
All of the routes are just classic predictable most Key-like routes, it's all about exectution and if you either find the idea sentimental/beautitul or resonate with it thematically that will change how you feel about any given route.
I only have Spica left, gonna do it now, but I also liked Koyomi route the best on all 3 of those fronts
Something that I find really annoying, is the overly formulaic way they try to make you emotinal, by first playing the "terjerker ost 1", then pause "louder terjerker ost 2"(this is your cue to cry), protagonist goes "why....am i crying?". They do this even in some sub routes and nothing takes me out of the experience more, I don't get who thinks this is a good way to do things.
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This is how things should be.
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https://x.com/moonstoneTwitt/status/2050140138332901709
https://www.moon-stone.jp/product2/ms31/special_trial.html
Trial for the new Moonstone horrorge.
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shame that company died, they didn't make kamige, but relationships drama ges are very rare nowadays, every title matters
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>>50905530
where are the pussy lips? they are covered on purpose. same color and same shading and same fabric as the skirt. they did the minimum to qualify as a "pantsu mieru" shot but it's clear that the intent was for you to NOT look there
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Other routes start to seem pointless.
MC has a cute autist wife and should focus on her.
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Yeah, I wanted to read a drama game and remembered this. Maybe cause I watched Golden Time recently.
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>>50905339
Yeah, it has no connection to the previous games. The most you miss is knowing the source of the pictures on the screens in this background CG.
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>>50905859
They reincarnated
https://vndb.org/p9981
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>>50906063
Cute and fat thighs built for attracting onii-chans
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anyone know how i could get this vn to run on win11?
https://vndb.org/v18236
did the usual stuff, trying every single compatibility mode, running with/without admin, different install locations, locale emulator/ntlea, nothing seems to coax this piece of shit to give me even an indication that it wants to run. i've managed to run older Xuse VNs than this on win11 with little to no problem, but this one refuses to give even an error dialog.
i even got the game from 2 different sources, thinking maybe the installer is corrupt or something, but it just refuses to run
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Did you do this already?
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>>50906659
same shit, still refuses to run
might just have to run it in a windows 7 vm to see if it runs or the files i downloaded are somehow corrupted
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there's a discussion thread on the og release on why it's split, still seems pretty dumb considering there's other remakes on vndb like doukyuusei 2 that don't have their own separate page
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>>50906437
I enjoyed it more than the Diner games.
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It's alright I guess.
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>>50907361
I really like it a lot and I'm glad Acacia is making more games.
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>>50907798
Finished the first route.Damn ladder structure. You know how it ends up being.
And the story itself was rather standard. You could imagine how it will play out.
At least Ruri-chan was really cute.
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>>50908588
To add a bit, I strategically checked reviews for this route only andpeople are saying it had very good 背徳感 and that MC NTRs a guy.
Well, by word definition the NTR thing is true, but the other guy is such a jerk I really couldn't feel like MC is doing anything wrong.
Overall, it was fine, but not special. I guess that's ladder for you.
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KF?
>>50908876
it's this https://vndb.org/v44523 if by chance an im@sfag bought it...
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>>50908894
give it some more time, it might leak soon
>>50908901
it's also sold on booth, but only physical
https://shinyreco.booth.pm/items/8140734
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>>50910953
I liked it a lot, its been a while I read a VN that had a locked route system. Inori felt like a deeply flawed heroine with a lot of emotional baggage and autism, my favorite type of heroine. Especially if they have long black hair. I could see this was one of the better Memories Off games, unlike the newer ones that seem to get mixed reviews. It's a shame I can't find any PC release on Sorekara After, I would have wanted to read that too.
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>I liked it a lot, its been a while I read a VN that had a locked route system.
How would you rate the routes?
>I could see this was one of the better Memories Off games, unlike the newer ones that seem to get mixed reviews.
Have you read any of the previous games or was sorekara your first one?
>It's a shame I can't find any PC release on Sorekara After, I would have wanted to read that too.
You can just emulate it. I'm a buyfag though, so I bought it off of a jap to collect it and play on my ps2.
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I'll be legit
When it comes to EOP hate you can't get any more real than me.
I fucking hate those faggots. Seeing them talking about the games I play just feels "icky", I can't explain. I just avoid whatever is translated to the best of my efforts.
But I also need to be realistic and understand that the money those subhumans have is worth as much as mine.
With the industry of games in general in Japan being the sour state that it is, it's very damn hard to keep up with production cost while selling only in Japan.
So while the feeling of sharing games with scum is shitty, you kind of have to deal with it if you actually like the medium and need more people to support it
If Japan was an industry that could be self sustained and the Japs weren't so fucking broke and actually bought shit then I probably wouldn't be posting this.
Oh, the perfect world.
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>>50912012
China won so hard it’s not even a joke
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>>50912029
it's very ironic how china managed to completely destroy japan's gaming industry and at the same time save the entire eroge culture for them
just try to imagine the amount of lost media there would be if not for all the chinese archive bros
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>>50911842
I used to have the same feelings, but it just isn't productive. You don't gain anything by holding on to that much spite.
I used to be a horrible EOP once myself who wouldn't even watch an anime unless it was dubbed, and now I'm bilingual. Some percentage of current EOPs will go through the same journey too.
The best thing to do is be supportive and help the ones who are interested in learning. Acting like an elitist asshole doesn't accomplish anything (no matter how much that might be how I feel on the inside).
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Basically this >>50912012
I really cant support them when they themselves want to kill their own industry and country.
>But I also need to be realistic and understand that the money those subhumans have is worth as much as mine.
You realize the entire reason eroge kneels to the west is because steam is the only way for them to access to chinese money right? since gabe somehow managed to convince china to sell them porn and that those patches really aren't part of the game steam is selling to them.
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>>50910960
Why even post that you finished a game if you can't give any meaningful thoughts? You might as well say nothing at all.
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>>50912269
Yeah i know that's why i said you shouldn't consider EOPs as equal spenders to japan and china since they barely matter, and that is why i said kneeling to steam, because that is their only way to get money from china since no other service will allow you to sell porn to the country where porn is banned
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>>50912296
it can't be translated because english has no equivalent of old archaic japanese lingo so the best you can do is feel it out
or go your way to larp something sort of "I have kept thee waiting. Grant me thy pardon." which still wouldn't be even close to the original vibe
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>>50913027
theres ton in chuunige
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>>50912253
would you like me to write a whole blog post review? If you want a critique I hated the NBR little sister, found her annoying. The whole point of the character is to seize on Isshu's weakness in the early part of the story rather than genuinely offer him support. The OST was also really good.
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>>50913340
>would you like me to write a whole blog post review?
You were asked your thoughts on the game and gave a laughably short and boring response, considering it's a game with multiple routes and characters you never mentioned. You don't even need to write a blog post if you're incapable, you could just give your rating of all the routes so we can get an idea of your opinion on the overall game.
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>>50913393
The strength of the game is finding out the motivation of the characters in the different ends. Why would I spoil that for people? Sure its an old game but its not popular with eop. You can barely find the Takashi Abo soundtrack on the internet.
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>>50903550
last one from me, wodicon 3
https://pixeldrain com/u/yHY359qd
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>>50914570
Wrong thread, see >>50912515
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https://x.com/SCA_DI/status/2051262696398708796
yes the 10hrs of pottery infodumps are so entertaining
if he really still considers that ending being the best there possibly could be i guess he is a lost case at this point
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>>50915209
you could try playing the top rated game of each, but honestly i don't know. it's just been lost media for who knows how long, i just did some magic to recover them. link for #4 still works but who knows for how long
i wish somebody made a website for all the rpgmsloppa storage...
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I like checking out ancient review sites.
E.g.
https://gameweb.sakura.ne.jp/
https://web.archive.org/web/20151031173133/http://www001.upp.so-net.ne .jp/c-night/gameimpression.htm
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I was hoping to finally find info/saves on すきスキお兄ちゃん since it's not on sagaoz, then I actually find the title archived on savedatas.sakura.ne.jp, and then the page doesn't load.
I still didn't have sex with her, the game is so hard.
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Anyone got a download for Pulltop's 夏少女?
The only live links that still seem to be around require premium rapidgator.
And apparently it's one of Pulltop's only games that never received a digital release to just buy legit.
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>夏少女
https://www.shinnku.com/files/galgame0/2/2003%E5%B9%B45%E6%9C%88/%E4%B C%9A%E7%A4%BE%E5%90%88%E9%9B%86/%5B 030530%5D%5BPULLTOP%5D%20%E5%A4%8F% E5%B0%91%E5%A5%B3%20DVD-ROM%E7%89%8 8%20(iso%2Bmds).rar
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Great, another route ruined by pointless melodrama.
When will VN authors realize that I'm reading moege because I DON"T want to deal with dark, depressing stuff like this!?
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More than 10 years later, and more than 15 years later and the main criticism for SakuUta and SubaHibi is that all the characters are the author's mouthpieces. I remember the same arguments 10 years ago when SakuUta came out.
Admittedly, it's true. At the same time, it quickly let's you decide whether you like this or not. If it's fair to dislike the games for it, it's also fair to like them.
I can also accept this >>50917371 as fair. But at the same time, if you meet the game halfway through andaccept that everything is "real", at the moment, for the POV character, it's okay.
As for the plot, I actually think SubaHibi has a pretty well thought out, well constructed plot. Especially as you uncover the back story and what really happened to each character.
If anything, it's SakuUta that has a rather strained plot meant to fully serve its themes and the messages the author wants to impart.
I played both in 2015 though and haven't played SakuToki yet. I need to replay/play them one of these days.
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The game where 80% of it is schizo delusions is well-thought out and constructed and the game where it's mostly characters painting and talking about art with some yakuza incest child rapehouse stuff in the backstory that's only really relevant for one route is strained?
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I want to just stick to one game at a time and finish it before moving to a new one, but I'm always starting additional games. It's like there're so many VNs to choose from that I'm constantly distracted by all of the ones I want to play.
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Finally done with anemoi
i didnt read summer pockets, but comparing to the old key it was opposite experience: boring as hell sol parts and actually pretty good endings of the routes
they tried to recreate meada humor but failed miserably, it was just the same sort of jokes all over again and again, there were many choices to have fun with but all of them were tasteless
chiharu, koyomi and awayuki routes were pretty good and actually managed to make me cry, the rest were rather mediocre
i didn't really enjoy the true route which is basically continuation of spica route, even though i love these kind of stories lasting through entire lifetime
the main story line was just way too weak and boring, i didn't like spica much either and mc became annoying asf so getting through all of it felt way too much of a slog and i didn't really feel much emotions from the ending
it didn't help that the rest of the main characters completely disappeared from it which was beyond dumb and all the side characters were just background bots for mc without having any signs of their personal lives of troubles
overall there were some good parts i liked but getting to them was way too boring, i wouldn't be able to handle it if i didn't speedread the hell of all the sol parts
this game could have some potential if only there was maeda to write some actually fun humor
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I read a bit of it and was bored out of my mind.
It looks high quality at first glance but it's only really the CGs and sprites and maybe the BGM, I didn't really pay attention to it. Everything else feels extremely low quality (especially the VA/sprites for the Fukuoka vtuber shills).
And speaking of Fukuoka, I'm pretty sure the game was funded by them or something, it shills the city too much for it not to be.
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I've found a good middle ground to be bouncing back and forth between routes. I'll read a route of VN #1, then a route of VN #2, then another route of VN #1, etc. etc.
You get the nice closure from finishing a story, but you also get the variety that beelining a single VN doesn't usually provide. And when I come back to a VN after taking a little break, it often feels really fresh and almost new again.
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Imouto i was honestly pissed off the most because i really loved her obsessed brocon personality but got scammed really bad
Here is major spoiler:his real imouto died when he was young and then some dark energy took the shape of his imouto and traveled with him so he wouldn't be alone. they didn't even go as far as making it her soul or something, just straight up different being. whoever said in the interview that imouto is definitely br fuck you bitch because she wasn't even real let alone br
and even if you ignore that part, the route was focused on the main storyline which was mediocre in the first place, and barely made much sense
if you just look at the ending of the route alone it still managed to get me emotional despite all that, but then it makes things even worse overall because while he cared about her so damn much in her route, she completely disappears at the start of every other route and mc just doesn't give a single fuck about that
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I still can't believe that she didn't even manage to make to the true route at least in some kind of shape
it all was so much about family love and all that while almost completely ignoring his supposedly the most precious family member if you judge it by her route
i swear multiple writers syndrome is a true cancer of key
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You can read the first three heroine's routes essentially in any order. There will be a reference to a character at the very end of Sophie's route that you won't get if you haven't done Katan's route yet, but it largely doesn't matter. Just, whatever you do, save Sakura's route until last.
Also, I don't know what review you read, Katan's route is great.
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https://erogamescape.dyndns.org/~ap2/ero/toukei_kaiseki/memo.php?game= 39837&uid=windows86
i didn't read too much into it to not get spoilers so maybe he just talking from the perspective of sucks to start with, though given his score doesn't seem like he liked it
also just realized that account had 1 vote again so yeah...
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Yeah i see now why everyone says it's similar to ba, the music has exactly the same melodic sync vibe which is pretty rare for eroges
no wonder though since they got neko hacker as a composer, i wonder what they had to do to convince them to compose for eroge for the first time
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I'm glad to see teenage Japanese girls in 2087 talk like I did 13 years ago
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Yuki = cute.
And Golden Hour was really good. Though at the same time, there was a lot that could have been better.
It really is a Yuki game, with her route, the main true route, being much better than the rest. I would keep it for last, cause yeah, her route really is the game and it's done afterwards.
That said, the other side routes weren't bad. If nothing else, if you like the girl in question, they're enjoyable as charage or nukige routes. I enjoyed one of the side routes, one was interesting in its relation to the main story and two were kinda meh for me.
Mostly I felt like I want to continue the main story for Yuki route. And the game let's you know you are missing something important.
As is, the game is relatively short and you can tell they really did all they could to justify selling it at full price.
The art was good, especially in H scenes. Wish there was anal sex, since there already were many butt-focused CGs for the girls.
I wish there were more variations for CGs and backgrounds, sprites and voices for side characters etc.
The titular golden hour was described beautifully, but could have been shown more.
That said, I liked how the character sprites changed expressions while talking. A simple effect,. but for some reason I thought it was done particularly well in this game. Maybe the timing was good. What I'm saying is, the script guy(s) did good.
MC was a bit too hetare. Yeah, him getting out of that is what the story is about, but I wish he was a bit more proactive, a bit faster.
Routes:
Ruri -I already posted above, but it didn't work for me. The other guy was too obviously a jerk. It would have been a stronger route if he was nice and the NTR and cheating felt real. As is, I really couldn't think the characters are doing anything wrong.
Suzu -fine, but the least interesting route.
Marika -cliche, but good. What can I say, it got to me. Even if most of the route was based on an idiotic misunderstanding.
Natsumi -fine as a standalone route, but weird in relation to Yuki's route. It felt like a bad end of sorts. You can say the previous routes are the MC stepping outside of the main story, leaving it, but here you're at the final choice, Natsumi or Yuki, and Natsumi is like, you're close, but missed.If anything Yuki's route felt like the more substantial story for Natsumi too.The game is rather self-spoilery, even before starting Natsumi's route you can a good enough idea about what's up, but then in Natsumi's route another "ghost" is shown? It felt like too much.
Final thoughts next post.
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>>50924577
Yuki = cute 2.
In Golden Hour.Many reviews already say this, but the supernatural elements at the end, and the ending itself felt sudden, under-explored and under-baked.I presume the author was aiming for a one-two punch of sorts, being like "look what Yuki did for you" and then "look what you do for her", but he didn't stick the landing.What I really enjoyed and what got to me, was MC finding his way to Yuki and then remembering how he did it the first time. Simple story, a girl likes a guy, but he likes her sister, but it was done really well. And this was basically Yuki's whole route, except the ending, so all'n'all I am happy with it.I suppose my ideal version of the story would focus on just that, the love triangle with MC, Natsumi and Yuki, and how it could play out. Maybe add Marika too, as another option.And it would work without the supernatural elements too. Or maybe keep the forgetting, but using a different mechanism without deaths or disappearances.Yeah, basically I wish the game was more like WA2.
Lastly, I played the Anthology rerelease.
Supposedly
>「MORE&NIKO 青春アンソロジー」収録の「ゴールデンアワー」ではCS移植で使う予定だった追加CG7枚が収録されてるらしいです。
and it seems to be true. There was at least once CG in the gallery I didn't see in an online rip.
You might as well get this version, it's easy to find on Shinnku.
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Anyone got the 2DGF version of ソレヨリノ前奏詩?
It should be MDS + split MDF files like in the pic.
I got the AS version (MDS+ISO) and the installer crack for it no longer works on Win 11.
And a different 2DGF crack seems to need their specific game upload.
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what about https://www.shinnku.com/files/galgame0/5/2015%E5%B9%B42%E6%9C%88/%5B15 0227%5D%5Bminori%5D%20%E3%82%BD%E3% 83%AC%E3%83%A8%E3%83%AA%E3%83%8E%E5 %89%8D%E5%A5%8F%E8%A9%A9%20(iso%2Bm ds).rar
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>>50925276
the version from ab looks like your screen https://pixeldrain.net/u/DNNbm9pd
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>>50925365
That's the AS crack, works in Win 10, not Win 11.
>>50925405
Thanks, buddy. Next I probably need some version of Deamon Tools that can mount these split MDS files.
Thanks, I'll play around with it after work.
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PROOF?
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I played some of the Dimension Totsu Lovers demo. Does portrait use and voiced lines get more consistent for MC?
I found them a pleasant surprise, but then I was kinda thrown off that they seemed to only appear occasionally instead of being consistent.
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>>50926321
It works on Crystalia rules, only important scenes are voiced. More than in their other games, but you can basically automatically tell a scene will be important and you're about to have either cool action or a big plot reveal if MC gets voiced.
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>>50924394
not sure how i feel about the s;g reboot. the art is technically improved, but i feel like it doesnt capture the soul of the original. in one image, they made kurisu’s chest larger and they made her jacket bigger for some reason. while the jacket difference can seem negligible, it just doesnt feel right and just gives a completely different feeling as opposed to her previously thin jacket. i’ll still probably buy it though to add to my collection
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>goy
Yikes.
Just say you’re broke.
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>>50927181
There's not enough time on this planet to waste it reading bad remakes.
You have no excuse to ever read a VN that's less than 9/10. There's enough 9/10 vns you could read them all day every day for the rest of your life.
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>>50927214
Monmusu Quest! Paradox RPG Shuushou
Rance X -Kessen-
Ooe
Shigatsu Youka
WHITE ALBUM2
Tobira no Densetsu ~Kaze no Tsubasa~
Soukou Akki Muramasa
Umineko no Naku Koro ni Chiru
Muv-Luv Alternative
STEINS;GATE
Shingakkou -Noli me tangere-
Sakura no Toki -Sakura no Mori no Shita o Ayumu-
Utawarerumono: Futari no Hakuoro
Fata Morgana no Yakata
Sakura no Uta -Sakura no Mori no Ue o Mau-
Umineko no Naku Koro ni
Subarashiki Hibi ~Furenzoku Sonzai~
Taishou Mebiusline Teito Bibouroku
Sakura, Moyu. -as the Night's, Reincarnation-
Tokyo Satsujinki Gakkou no Kaidan
Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Kai
Tsukihime -A piece of blue glass moon-
Jack Jeanne
Saihate no Ima
Luckydog1+bad egg
BLACK SHEEP TOWN
CLANNAD
Sekai Metsubou Kyouyuu Gensou MAMIYA - DoomsDay Dreams
Hentai Prison
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Thanks again for this version >>50925405
I installed Daemon Tools version 5, mounted it fine, but the 2DGF crack (yorino_setup.exe) still didn't work.
It's just cursed for me. Over the years I tried it on three different PCs (Win 7, Win 10, Win 11) and it never worked.
So I made a Win 10 VM with VirtualBox and the AS crack (crack for ソレヨリノ前奏詩 V3) worked again.
The game runs, but the sound kinda crackles and there are graphical glitches.
I guess it's cause the VM uses some shitty emulated GPU.
Then I remembered I got Windows 11 Pro and can just use Hyper V. That should be better.
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The solution is getting a Win 11 Pro key on Yahoo Auctions. (Already did this months ago, for no real good reason back then.)
Then fiddling with million Hyper V settings, both inside and outside the VM. It has some bandwith-saving shitty defaults that result in bad image quality.
But the nice thing is that this RDP window itself can be an easy Magpie target.
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>>50927963
odd to see you struggling this much. On kami OS LTSC I just insstalled the 7 GB file with yorino_setup.exe without complaints, it was the same with natsuperseus though I think that one was crackless
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yorino_setup.exe
One last post.
Okay fuck me thrice, I figured the issue.
You need their fucking stupid readme PNG file in the same folder.
Well, at least I learned to use Hyper V.
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>>50927227
hey I've read a part of rance x
plan to read WA2
started reading utawarerumono
finished higurashi
probably should get to clannad at some point. Would you believe that I've bought it but not read it?
this does look like a pretty good list, lots of popular ones in here. And I've downloaded more than a few of the titles without reading them, from muv luv to soukou, to the subarashiki series
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>>50929027
I read what I find enjoyable and moeshit is the only thing I enjoy. I don't want to read overwritten c-grade action and I don't want to read someone's rejected philosophy thesis. I want fun situations with attractive characters.
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https://www.christcenteredgamer.com/reviews/pc-mac/kanon-pc
>I found out after I read the novel fully that some routes were written by different authors, and this made a lot of sense in retrospect.
>I enjoyed all of them for the most part, but some were a step above the rest, and one in particular is just much worse than the others.
>Nayuki, Shiori, and Ayu's routes are all excellent
EGS
>【シナリオ】
>久弥直樹 : 月宮あゆ / 水瀬名雪 / 美坂栞
>麻枝准 : 沢渡真琴 / 川澄舞 / 倉田佐祐理
Um, Maeda-bros?
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>>50930474
Just watched this the other day https://youtube.com/watch?v=NmdzBWe_z_I
Pretty good Maeda lore video. Suprised that there is no mention of LiSA though considering she was a big part of his life and career.
>>50931020
His stories are not for everyone but I still think Air is a masterpiece. I like most of his stuff though.
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China made the girls larger
https://vndb.org/r142124
https://store.steampowered.com/app/3780110/_/
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>>50933696
This is one of the questions that sort of betrays the answer, because the answer is you shouldn't know or care about what they're doing and if you even pay the slightest attention to it you've already lost.
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>>50933821
As far as I know, those niggas couldn't handle yuri content in healthy ways and went trans or adjacent.
So I would presume the game vibes with that.
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>>50932074
>I tried playing it and it was kinda ass. But there must be something to it if Moogy and co. like it so much.
It does get better over time, but not as a "it gets good in 100 hours meme," more like the reason people gush is scenes and climaxes 100-200 hours in not the early stuff. It starts at 7/10 and works itself up to 10/10. Few people finish Chapter 1 and then go around singings its praises from high heavens. It starts off just normal good. Ideally one likes it alright even then, but if not you shouldn't feel too bad dropping it, nobody will like everything. It's not like since a few people like a game everyone else should feel compelled to try and confused if they don't like it. Different strokes for different folks. Not everyone likes Umineko, Muramasa, whatever either.
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Anemoi release brough Key to the front of my mind. And I decided to season-match and play Air, since it's summer.
I'm really happy the voice-patched SE version exists, cause the voice acting is really good. And the patch is well made, you can even replay voices (the green arrow).
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>>50934655
You can also tell what lines were cut in the all-ages releases, like these about Misuzu drinking.
I guess it's understandable, cause even if she's probably in high school, she's written like a 10 year old (that's competent at housework).
Anyway, too early to say more, just started.
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>>50934655
how difficult it is? i heard that it becomes hard in the second half or something. please report back after finishing it
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>>50934255
Koikatsu looks pretty decent with mods. You can create chaaracters that look really close to their 2d versions or replicate the 3d models of other games well enough. The problem is the creators of these games only use the base models or they don't have much knowledge about modding and tweaking character models.
Look at these for example
https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/143698634
https://www.pixiv.net/artworks/144595078
https://www.pixiv.net/artworks/143981968
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>>50934243
See, I can accept if a game isn't for me, the problem is I can't see how *anyone can like it*. It feels like a practical joke when people praise this game. I played the game for 10+ hours to see the appeal and the game comes off as patreon shovelware trash. All the characters have this (pardon my french) 'reddit' snarky tone to their dialogue that pisses me off. And then you have these awful scenes where characters break the fourth wall just to complain that the creator's not getting paid enough. Like, what the fuck? Is this a joke? Why is this shovelware being shilled so hard? I have to assume that the creator paid Moogy and Quof to shill it.
(I'll stop posting about this game now. This was just a rant.)
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>>50936377
>all caps to make things le funny epix xD
I think it's been confirmed that this shit has paid reviews as well.
If someone is gotta sell me on this, spoil everything at least. Not interested in wasting my time with Koikatsu dogshit that kills my boner.
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It's pretty telling that none of the people praising evn trash are reading Toshiraba or Anemoi, easily two of the best VNs of recent years both releasing on the same day.
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>>50927963
I like this game a lot.
But yeah it's a pain in the ass to run as a gaijin.
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You wouldn't say this if you'd read Koyomi route it is so kami
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>>50936453
Pretty much all of the cgs are also extremely high quality that i couldn't stop myself from screenshoting every single one
Which makes it even more shame the story ended up being so underwhelming
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>>50936377
I, eceleb Quof, made a reddit account literally 15 years ago on March 13th 2011, and have been posting on reddit daily to weekly for the 15 years hence. Should you not perhaps have a little more understanding for how, perhaps, a practically lifelong redditor likes a game with "reddit snarky dialogue"? It seems like a total and obvious failure of mental flexibility to extend your own tastes to the entire world, as if dialogue that pisses you off will piss off everyone else. Why is it that every should know and understand art is subjective, yet when it comes down to brass tacks acts as if their own taste is an objective barometer for universal quality, to the point anyone who disagrees with them are literal paid shills whom they have no chance of ever understanding or taking seriously? (I seriously can't believe the paid shill angle keeps coming up, as if an obscure EVN is handing out hundreds of dollars to a secret trans-lesbian discord army to pretend to like it for literal years instead of people who regularly play obscure games playing and liking an obscure game.)
Anyway, that aside, I specifically say in my VNDB review that
>The only thing I have to warn about is that the author has a sharp sense of cynicism which pervades the narration, resulting in the protagonist constantly criticizing almost everything he observes /or/ does himself. There's irony everywhere [...] so I hope you like it.
I imagine the reddit snark you refer to is the cynicism/irony I'm referring to here (though the beauty of different human experiences is I have no idea what your qualia was). It is something I was not a huge fan of myself but it didn't kill the game for me. Something else I make quite clear is that I was not a huge fan of Chapter 1. I liked it, but to a more lukewarm degree that might have engendered some middling praise. My opinion is that the game gets better and better (of course, people will use this as an opportunity to mock it as "it gets good in 100 hours," but that's just a cross one has to bear). What makes the game so good in my opinion is the increasingly complex web of interpersonal relationships and context that gets build up without ever getting dropped (in addition to the visual style which I do like for feeling like a CG a minute). The protagonist also gets more sentimental and "deep" for lack of a better word. Here, I'll be pretentious: I like how much the protagonist expresses himself through literature and poetry of others to hide his own lack of personality, and I really enjoy how in the current chapter of the game (Chapter 4) his dialogue and narration often is just Shakespeare allusions or William Blake citations or whatever. Pic related; it's a passage I cobbled together to show some writing I like later in the game - it reminds me of the way I may be inclined to do the same. Mileage will vary on that, some will find it pretentious, some will find it cringe, but I like it. The things I like are not things everyone will like. That should just be obvious. And it's a side of the protagonist's character that won't be clear at all until over a hundred hours. It's a big game and I like it for a lot of complex reasons which are not all apparent from within the first 10 hours played. If you don't like what you've played and dropped it, fair enough, but it's not as if the rest of the game plays out like the first ten hours on loop with no changes and everyone who likes it does so for a one-off patreon rant that he lampshades people not liking in that very same scene.
Not everyone is going to like LiL, obviously, people don't like Clannad, people don't like Muramasa, people don't like Umineko, name a kamige and people dislike it. Also, name a kusoge and people like it. That's just how the cookie crumbles. It should really not be mysterious. You may have felt crazy playing LiL and not liking, but I feel crazy for how fucking skeptical people are. It's just a fucking random EVN that I like and then other people played and liked too. It's not a grand shill conspiracy, and it's obvious not everyone will like it. I feel like I'm recommending Moby Dick to someone and they get bored before the characters get on the ship and are like "ugh I genuinely can't understand how anyone got past the homoshit with Ishmael and Queequeg. Is everyone who likes this a paid shill?" Why is this such big drama? Or in harsher terms, why are people such big babies that can't just experience media without trying to form an objective canon in their mind where people either agree with them or are wrong to like things? Geez Louise. I would rather people like things and potentially over-state their quality than I would everyone expressing only the most muted of opinions for fear of random 4channers not sharing their opinion then giving holier-than-thou rants about failing to understand different opinion and reducing a work to shovelware because they don't like the tone of dialogue. (I won't post about LiL here again).
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I didn't, for the record, and never have talked about here outside that one post; that's shitposters doing it on their own. And you are free to dislike those shitposters for posting offtopic. That said, it's kind of falling for an obvious false flag operation to get mad at the object exploited for a shitposting campaign. Like people who largely don't like LiL or get a kick out of shitposting abut it posting it where they know people will get mad about it. You should dislike them, not the game. But in any case I made a single exception to post about it a single time because I am so completely nonplussed at a guy saying he can't believe I (specifically me by name) likes a game with reddit dialogue with seemingly no awareness I've posted on reddit for 15 years, as if he is just saying words with no thoughts going on between the eyes. This skepticism and inability to square subjectivity in media is genuinely making me lose my mind.
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>>50936492
Why do you even come to this thread when you don't read or care about japanese VNs and haven't in years, maybe if you read Totsuraba or Anemoi you would see that in fact japanese VNs are much better
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>>50936522
I'm not a fucking child that gets their kicks out of drawing lines in the sand and engaging in tribalistic warfare online to feel superior to an imagined "other." This imagined EVN vs JPN war means nothing to me and is a game played by the intellectually stunted with nothing better to do in their lives. I'm playing Amakano 3 as we speak. I don't play many VNs at the moment, EVN or JPN, merely because my attention is taken by other forms of media, but it's nothing dramatic or serious to me. I just bagged a Lunatic Touhou 1cc, does that make me /jp/ enough? And regardless I'm here at the moment because the shitposting here is so loud threads I was looking at started talking about it.
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Funny how your LiL fans are all people who "don't play many VNs", while anyone who actually keeps up with good VN releases like Hadler think the game is mid and overrated. What a coincidence.
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I genuinely don't understand the praise for Totsuraba. It wasn't a bad game but it definitely read like your run of the mill light novel/manga sloppa. Am I the crazy one living in the twilight zone? The fact this is similar rated to muramasa on EGS and higher than 9-nine hurts my soul. Can people who loved it please explain what exactly they loved about it? Cause aside from the music, voice acting and art the rest was just...mid
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I personally think that's a detriment. I wish they kept the same writers for totsu
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>run of the mill light novel/manga
why is this a bad thing? fun things are fun and totsuraba is complete. i could nitpick several things about the plot and it could've been a bit longer to fix some of those minor issues, but there was nothing outright bad
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>>50936707
Just being fun isn't enough to justify a rating on par with muramasa. The writing quality consistency is like night and day
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>>50936713
there may be a philosophical divide here between people who rate things by what they do wrong (wanting to be entertained without anything to take them out of it) and people who rate things by what they do right (wanting something unique or thought-provoking or whatever)
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>>50936728
it literally is
most people just want to have fun while reading their shit without it being some life changing experience and there are really way too few games that would be consistently fun all the way through
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>>50936539
yuzuge sort of fuck it up by having a boring plot most of the time, tone works the h-scenes aren't as good as amakano's, amakano really is the best package for pure love stuff imo, though i'll admit it gets a bit boring after a couple of routes.
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>>50936713
the only downside of light novels is that they almost never have defined theme ending and often are being left on life support
i'm surprised it took someone so long to try and bring the ln style into eroge and it definitely worked way too damn well
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I dunno, Red Cherish felt kinda like that. (Though the side routes were pretty basic.)
Arguably Sorceress Alive was like that.
Maybe Totsulovers is just a well executed example, havent read it myself.
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Cause while light novel slop and manga can be fun, it's pretty clear totsuraba tried going beyond that and it fell flat. Every crystalia game technically goes for 'fun' so what sets apart totsu from their other ges, especially Project Katana?
>I could nitpick several things about the plot
I could write a book but I'll put one of my biggest onesWhy make katan's route the most plot relevant and not sakuras when the main antagonist of the true route is a different dimension sakura who was heartbroken from losing her version of enju? Why build up the whole blue heart and orange heart are naturally drawn together thing along with enju falling in love with sakura at first sight as if it were destiny only to make them just barely friends in the true route? It made the grand reveal and the battle for enju between current dimension sakura vs outer dimension sakura less meaningful and impactful. The whole hearts thing was also underutilized and introduced potential plot holes as well
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It's an issue because it causes rating inflation. There are objective metrics that are observable which defines good writing. This isn't to discount the validity of subjectivity but when you have someone give something like Shigatsu Youka a 10 while also giving, say, Iwaihime a 10, where is the distinction then?
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>>50936765
>Better imouto(sora) and much better execution of a brothers hesitance to commit incest
>Better MC
>Better art(im sorry izumi tsubasu wins here)
>Better and more cohesive plot with less asspulls
>Better execution of emotional scenes and overall dont feel forced
>Better romance and H-scenes
>Better plot twist
>Characters were overall more memorable
>Dear My Waker playing in final battle was more hype than anything in totsuraba
Yeah i dunno, im thinking 9-nine takes this.
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>Characters were overall more memorable
idk I enjoyed totsuraba's characters far more. Sora was memorable, not really anyone else. I'd argue about some of the others too but the game itself wasn't very memorable so I wouldn't be able to talk specifics.
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Only katan was memorable really. Sophia and sui were wasted potential, sakura was your typical kuudere and boring enough that I cared more aboutother dimension sakura. System Taigoku was fun i guess but he didn't have enough screen time.
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Yeah I think we just differ there. The only thing I remember from houzuki family was try hard and failing at making them compelling villainsor not actually 'villains' cause they all love each other actually despite trying to kill each other. Hinoki read like a walmart kageaki and kaede like a wannabe Dr west from Extravaganza. They were also the least consistent characters out of the entire cast and had some pretty questionable moments. Not fleshed out enough and definitely not charismatic enough for me to remember. To each their own though
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>>50936492
Finished Lessons in Love. Wow, what a work. By far the most insightful and intelligent work I've read in a long, long time. It talks about the internet exposes us to the malice of all of humanity. How simply being a good person isn't enough to avoid criticism and personal attacks. How science is eroding idealism. How the fundamental ways in which we interact with people are impacting our lives.There are a lot of observations I've quietly had about life that Lessons in Love brings up and discusses at length. I feel like I understand and have a much better grasp of so things now.But at the same time,I also feel some degree of despair. Lessons in Love paints a grim look at life, one where we are constantly exposed to the malice of all of humanity and can only survive by building our own "holy grounds" (聖域) with those closest to us.
That's a summary of the game of course, but I can't help but feel that maybe there really is nothing but pain left in our humanity's future. All the hope and gleaming optimistic is dead in the past. We have the internet now and the global connection is breeding infinite pain.Anyway, to continue this negativity, I should say that while I consider Lessons in Love a phenomenal work, one that seems impossible for a human to have written, it also is by no means flawless. The narrative structure in particular is actually baffling."Non-linear" is an understatement, and for much of the game you have barely any idea what's going on. The mysteries in Lessons in Love are brain-busting, and the text is extremely difficult, with tons of highly technical texts that feel ripped straight of a science journal. I think that Lessons in Love is a goldmine of wisdom and value. But like a real goldmine, you have to dig through a lot of rock to get the gold, and it's not always a pleasant process. For me, though, the gold was worth it in the end. Selebus is a god, confirmed.
I think it's easy to sit back and call things trivial while not understanding them yourself. There's a pattern I've seen my whole life where I or someone else have a revelation, and other people pretend they already knew it and that it was obvious and anyone who didn't know it already was basically ignorant and stupid, even when they themselves didn't understand it. Human beings aren't born with universal knowledge of life, we're born as mostly blank slates and we have to crawl our way up from the mud. There are deep truths about lives that many can go their whole lives without realizing, even when they seem so obvious when stated and presented. For this reason it's all a matter of having a humble mindset. If you recognize like Socrates that you know nothing, you can be better equipped to appreciate the wisdom presented to you. If you're an arrogant idiot on 4chan that doesn't realize how little you know, you can just mock wisdom presented to you as stuff everyone should know, while not actually learning or understanding anything yourself.
Lessons in Love didn't change my world view, it just gave me language to express some things, and some insights into how human behavior. My world view is largely the same. And of course I am no strangers to books. Lessons in Love reminds me the most of Dostoevsky's writings. As always I must question why supposed VN fans hate them so much and consider them inferior to books. Then again, I feel like in this electronic society, people kind of opt to thinking of books as some kind of status symbol since they themselves have abandoned books and only view them as like peak intellectualism that's above everything else. If you actually read books you'll find they're nothing so transcendental. (Philosophical treatises aside. I'm thinking about fiction here. Naturally a hardcore 300 page philosophy essay will contain more wisdom than your average VN.)
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You do if you actually want to understand anything about it. To put it very simply, Selebus is far more intelligent than anyone reading this chat, including myself. There are a great deal of very high level concepts in Lessons in Love and any aspiring reader is going to need to accept that he probably doesn’t understand it all. From there, you reach the point of actually researching and interpreting all this shit, which could take years, honestly. And then you also have to consider that the vast majority of people just don’t have the level of reading comprehension or education necessary to really start to approach interpreting and understanding Lessons in Love on anything but a surface level.
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>>50936545
Whatever you say, moron. I unironically think Selebus is the best writer of all time across all mediums. His complex treatment of themes, and his deep understanding of human condition is unparalleled and unprecedented. He's a dreamer, teacher and a writer at the same time. The best thing about Lessons in Love is Sensei is literally Selebus. Selebus knows what art truly means, and his uncompromising vision to elevate VNs to the level of art is perfectly executed in Lessons in Love. You really need to give up being a human if you don't like his works/think they are just lowbrow porn. He's the only one in this medium who genuinely wants to make art instead of products to be sold on market for profit. You rarely find people like him even in literary circles. You can find easily flaws in his work but doing so by ignoring what he achieves only makes you a contrarian low iq fuck.
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>>50936492
my problem is that the writing feels dishonest, at least from your screenshots. the whole game feels dishonest. it's just the vibes it gives. like a fake japanese, a fake intellectual, a fake woman.
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>>50936865
>cause they all love each other actually despite trying to kill each other
That's great. Might've missed the point if you had a problem with that.
>Hinoki read like a walmart kageaki
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Barely any similarities besides things that are not unique to Kageaki.Comparing sacrifices to 善悪相殺 is pretty stupid if that's what you're thinking of
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I'm playing Elevator Panic the protagonist just got invited to the Elevator Panic club a high society membership club for connoisseurs of rape within elevators. To be invited you must have a love of elevator rape and either 100 million yen or at least two women that you have trained to be obedient due to elevator rape
you can trade with other members and enjoy hour long elevator ride from the 80th floor to the first with another member's woman if you bring one to swap
moving on up in the world
i like the girl that was all "you don't have to blackmail me i dont mind cheating on my boyfriend with you, you could have just asked"
thought it means he watched them have sex in the elevator and took pictures of it for nothing
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When I look at the first page of Moby Dick I see this:
> Call me Ishmael. Some years ago - never mind how long precisely - having little or no money in my purse, and nothing particular to interest me on shore, I thought I would sail about a little and see the watery part of the world. It is a way I have of driving off the spleen and regulating the circulation. Whenever I find myself growing grim about the mouth; whenever it is a damp, drizzly November in my soul; whenever I find myself involuntarily pausing before coffin warehouses, and bringing up the rear of every funeral I meet; and especially whenever my hypos get such an upper hand of me, that it requires a strong moral principle to prevent me from deliberately stepping into the street, and methodically knocking people's hats off - then, I account it high time to get to sea as soon as I can. This is my substitute for pistol and ball. With a philosophical flourish Cato throws himself upon his sword; I quietly take to the ship.
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>>50936775
Some things are objective, but what objective things are important to a given reader is subjective.
If a guy gives the Zero no Tsukaima PS2 games a 10 because he's been in love with Louise since 2006 and reading them was a religious experience for him, then for that guy they may truly have been 10/10s, even if very few people would share his opinion.
People shouldn't rate VNs as being worse than they truly thought they were just because their opinion is an outlier.
The unfortunate thing about VNDB's rating system is that that guy's 10 and a 10 from some asshole who only rates things as a 10 or 1 or makes multiple accounts because he wants to outshout everyone else are counted the same despite being vastly different.
The solution is to look at reviews, and the reasons why people like or dislike a particular work. At the end of the day, a VN's average rating is just a number.
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>The unfortunate thing about VNDB's rating system is that that guy's 10 and a 10 from some asshole who only rates things as a 10 or 1 or makes multiple accounts because he wants to outshout everyone else are counted the same despite being vastly different.
this is cope, i deboonked it multiple times using vndb's querying system. the "real" average doesn't change as long as the vn has more than x votes
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>At the end of the day, a VN's average rating is just a number.
and this is also cope btw. the strenght of the "average score"(or votes in general, i hate bayesian but it is what it is)is that it makes it very easy for everyone to give a quick opinion about something they've read. and the more opinions you have = the more accurate the estimate becomes.
a review is the same thing but just with more words, and the only extra thing is does is introducing selection bias in your research. you don't need to need reviews of let's say STEINS;GATE, because if you've been more than a week in any vn community (not talking about pseudcords or other circlejerks) or simply look at the average/votes distribution you'll see that it's a kamige. do you really need to read a review to know why? it would just spoil the (potential) 10/10 experience and nothing else. and if you think it's "reddit" without having read it then you'll just cope by assuming that "everybody who wrote a negative review is smart like me". again, this adds nothing.
of course, as you(?)'ve said before, nobody can like everything so there's a chance that you'll dislike s;g for literally whatever reason, but the truth remains: if it clicks it clicks, and there will be few things that can top it. oh and of course, this is true for [your favourite thing in the vndb top25] too.
of course, it's different when talking about niche/obscure stuff with less than x votes, because in that case it's unknown whether the vn is overshilled but yurishitters or it's actually good, and in that case yeah, reviews help deciding whether it's worth investing your time or not
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>>50937190
It's not worthless because it's just a number. Numbers can be very informative.
The fact that Gyakuten Saiban 4's weighted average is a full point lower than Gyakuten Saiban 3's weighted average is quite telling. And that it conveys this information without any spoilers at all is also extremely useful.
But it is just a number. It's only useful when you're doing an apples to apples comparison.
Steins Gate may be a very good visual novel, but is it a good nukige? I doubt many people would agree that it is.
The reverse is also of course true. もっと!孕ませ!炎のおっぱい異世界おっぱいメイド学園! is currently the #89 ranked title on VNDB with an 8.29 average. I can't claim to have read the title myself, so forgive me if I'm wrong, but I strongly suspect if you go into it expecting a life-changing kamige you're going to be disappointed.
It would be facile and silly to say that it's a better VN than #127 8.18 average Tsukihime just because it has a higher score.
One reader's trash is another's treasure. Some people love VNs with high difficulty gameplay, and others hate titles like that and will only play them if they can get cheat engine to work.
You know what you like much better than a thousand people on VNDB know what you like.
I make use of scores and seek out high-rated titles myselfー who doesn'tー but one passionate, cogent review, positive or negative, counts more with me than 10,000 votes on VNDB.
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>>50937306
>One reader's trash is another's treasure.
this is kinda cope, at least when generalized like that. "one's trash another's tresure" doesn't mean that a dogshit kusoge can be life-changing for 1 person who "played it during childhood and has strong memories associated with it". i'm always talking about vinnies with more than x votes so their reported average is very close to the "real" average
the "truth" is that there are a lot of different people rating vinnies on vndb, whatever you like it or not. so while it's true that you can't compare apple to oranges by saying that "ooe is better than wa2", you can compare ooe to other blge and it's very likely that it's unironically the peak blge, or that one motto haramase/love x holic is unironically the best nukige
meanwhile 1 review is always one review. if somebody doesn't like bl and rate ooe 6/10, and you also don't like bl, then it's a valuable review for you, but it doesn't change the fact that hundreds of people who love bls decided that ooe is potentially a 10/10 experience for them.
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>>50936775
Ratings don't have to just be tied to good writing or another specific metric.
If I really loved a nukige just as much as I loved a specific Real Deal game, I might decide to give them the same rating.
People are not going to be looking for the same things when considering a nukige vs real deal. Someone might rate one game highly because it's an amazing though provoking storyline, and that same person might rate a silly moege highly because it succeeded in being consistently entertaining and putting a smile on their face throughout.
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>>50937345
i'm pretty sure that if you make read ooe to every person who have read wa2, they will disagree pretty much unanimously. objectively speaking? maybe you're right, i dunno, but those 2 games are made for 2 completely different demographics
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>>50937318
The closer you get to an apples to apples comparison, the more useful a score comparison will be yes. But there's still nuance, and the score never tells you the whole story.
Silent Hill 2 has an 89 on Metacritic and Biohazard 4 has a 96. They're both in the same genre, Survival Horror. To an uninformed outside, they appear to be very similar, but in practice the people who like them enjoy them for totally different reasons.
People like Silent Hill 2 for its story, and Biohazard 4 for its gameplay. A person who enjoys Silent Hill 2 and goes into Biohazard 4 expecting a similar experience, or vice versa, may be very disappointed.
This pattern occurs very often in visual novels as well. There's a huge difference between an NTR VN people like IN SPITE of having NTR in it, and an NTR VN people like BECAUSE it has NTR in it.
You can and should take really, really high and really, really low scores as a recommendation and a red flag, respectively, but outside of the absolute highest and lowest outliers, the nuance becomes much more important than a few points difference.
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>>50937494
>But there's still nuance, and the score never tells you the whole story.
neither the review, you are supposed to consume the thing and make your own opinion about it. the average is simply a pre-filter: can a 6/10 gamelife-change you? yes, but very very unlikely. meanwhile if you go for a kamige then chances are a lot higher
>Silent Hill 2 has an 89 on Metacritic and Biohazard 4 has a 96. They're both in the same genre, Survival Horror. To an uninformed outside, they appear to be very similar, but in practice the people who like them enjoy them for totally different reasons.
>People like Silent Hill 2 for its story, and Biohazard 4 for its gameplay. A person who enjoys Silent Hill 2 and goes into Biohazard 4 expecting a similar experience, or vice versa, may be very disappointed.
yeah i accounted for this, that's why it's the DEMOGRAPHIC that's important, aka WHO i leaving all those positive votes/review, not a work's attribute
>You can and should take really, really high and really, really low scores as a recommendation and a red flag, respectively, but outside of the absolute highest and lowest outliers, the nuance becomes much more important than a few points difference.
to be completely honest, only outliers are worth reading,
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>>50937381
I think you misunderstand what I'm getting at. I don't think comparing VN's from two different genre's, trying to accomplish different things, is an honest and accurate approach. Trying to assess and compare the quality of something like WA2 to Steins Gate would be disingenuous and essentially be comparing apples to oranges. Totsuraba is a chuunige as is Muramasa. That comparison is more apt cause they share a lot of similarities in what they are trying to accomplish. The former having a rating close to the latter becomes problematic as it insinuates that they are similar in quality when that couldn't be farther from the truth to any rational mind that has read both.
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>>50936775
I rate thing for how well they executed what they were meant to execute
If i'm going to rate musamasa or cross channel highly for its writing, i'm also going to rate highly hatsuyuki sakura for how well it executed its nakige part, demonbane for its action, rance for its gameplay and humor, extravaganza for its horror and suspense, riaimo for its take on imoutos, biman for its nukige quality, and totsuraba too for how well it done the typical ranobe trope it was aiming for, you get the idea
For me they all the exactly same value, it's just retarded trying to treat something for what it isn't if the first place
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>>50937659
That's a fair premise followed by an insane claim that Totsuraba and Muramasa trying to accomplish the same thing.
And even if they did, them having similar score would just mean that people on average judged that they were in fact similar in quality and it would not be problematic at all
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>>50937659
>Totsuraba is a chuunige as is Muramasa
again, you need to think about what's behind the work, not the work itself. if you think the raison d'etre of totsuraba is the same of muramasa then you lack basic media literacy, those games have 2 VERY different target demographics in mind, even if both could be classified as chuunige
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>>50937659
>Totsuraba is a chuunige as is Muramasa
School superpower battle chuuni and nitroplus hardcore dark chuuni are two completely separate genres of chuuni, you can't just lamp it all together
It's like saying s;g and demonbane are exactly the same just because they both features sci-fi while one goes into hard sci-fi territory while the other just use it as a mere coolness factor
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>>50937673
But we're not talking about rating VN's on how well they executed what they set out to do(which is the correct way to judge a given work), we're talking about VN's that share enough similarities in themes, core elements and genre identity that such a comparison is valid and doesn't stray into apples and oranges territory.
>>50937681
They have enough in common in terms of chuuni tropes and themes employed to make it a valid comparison.
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>>50937702
If we really want to split hairs, then sure, something like 9-nine would be a more fair comparison. If totsuraba didn't try to take itself more seriously with certain moral themes endemic to chuuniges(especially with their attempt to explore and humanize the villains to make them more compelling and deep) to go into dark chuuni territory, I wouldn't be comparing it to Muramasa. But it did, so i did.
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>>50937659
>The former having a rating close to the latter becomes problematic as it insinuates that they are similar in quality
If I enjoy both games to a similar extent, I will rate both similarly. Simple as.
The fact I derive enjoyment in different ways from each is irrelevant.
"Ah man, I fucking love X game, but it's not real deal enough to get the same rating as Y game. Better rate it lower."
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>>50939231
oh actually? nice
can't tell if joking lol
>>50939226
damn you could be right thanks
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>>50939284
Does everyone who play this series legit do that? I don't want to feel guilty later for doing it and discover that everyone did their best to beat it... I know that lots of people do this for Alice-soft games, but they are simply and you just need to grind a little bit to win, but here? it is a real nightmare.
>>50939286
Can the gameplay still be considered a filler if it makes you stuck in 1 fight for more than 5 hours and you would end up seeing your time in the gameplay section 10x your time in the story parts? Am legit stuck there and I wish to just see how the story would end... am like a couple of fights from it, but am just stuck...
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>>50939307
>Can the gameplay still be considered a filler if it makes you stuck in 1 fight for more than 5 hours and you would end up seeing your time in the gameplay section 10x your time in the story parts? Am legit stuck there and I wish to just see how the story would end... am like a couple of fights from it, but am just stuck...
yes, it mean you have a skill issue.
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>>50939309
What if the writers made the story and the gameplay connected? by that I mean that you wouldn't appreciate a certain part of the story if you didn't feel the gameplay and how hard it was, like if MC think about how this war was hell and you just cheated to go through it, can you really self-insert as him to the full potional?
>>50939313
But I don't. I play video games regularly and do good in them, but this fight is not normal at all.
https://files.catbox.moe/2glqgy.mp4
I took this video of some random attempts, don't think this is my skills, I was doing very bad here and my good runs are better, but just see how strong the enemies are... as someone who can't do combos? It is very painful. Am not into fighting games, so I can' do what this ge is asking me to do when it teaches me those moves, but am still using what I can and it should've been enough...
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>>50939327
>But I don't. I play video games regularly and do good in them, but this fight is not normal at all.
are you playing without sound? you might be missing sound cues
also ask chatgpt to google some japanese walthrough of the game, they should have something with cheeses/tactics/tips/etc
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>>50939338
I haven't used one in a while but these have idle detection
https://strlen.com/procrastitracker/
https://github.com/ActivityWatch/activitywatch
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>>50939297
Play time is fundamentally mistaken as a metric. Dracu-riot and Muramasa are almost exactly the same length yet one is 20 hours and the other is 90 hours. The only metric that should be used to measure length is character count. I don't know why this is so difficult for people to grasp, I'm pushing the revolutionary idea that a book is as long as the number of pages it has.
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>>50939900
>a book is as long as the number of pages it has
That can vary wildly based on paper size and type setting. I'm pretty sure that English language publishers at least go out of their way to fuck around with typesetting to try to get a lot of novels to be around 300 pages or at least to get a comfortable physical size with the paper/binding being used.
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>>50939900
I do wish vndb had a character count field like https://jiten.moe/
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>>50939900
>The only metric that should be used to measure length is character count.
you do understand that H-scenes do inflate character count? Dracu-Riot has like 4 medium length H-scenes per heroine, while Muramasa has much less and scenes are shorter. Of course this can't explain difference between 20 and 90 hours, but like ~5 hours difference might exist.
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>>50940001
Ironically anon shot himself in the foot there; books, too, should be measured by character/letter count as well.
>>50940173
There's no such thing as inflating character count. The character count is the raw marker of length whether a scene is shallow or deep. That's all subjective. It's like saying a movie's length was inflated by action scenes or something, or a song's length was inflated by a drum solo. Length is length.
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>>50939900
>Play time is fundamentally mistaken as a metric. >Dracu-riot and Muramasa are almost exactly the same length yet one is 20 hours and the other is 90 hours.
how's that mistaken? i don't care about the character count, i need to know how much of my life will be wasted on the vn
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>>50940231
You can extrapolate how long something will take based on the character count. Play time is flawed because people list biased information, like only playing one route, or ctrling through h-scenes, etc, on top of people having wildly different reading speed - within a normal range any given person could be like x2 slower or x2 faster than you, someone could list a game as taking them 20 hours while someone else lists it as 40 and you would have no idea which is closer to your reading speed.
Meanwhile, if you know you've read a 1 million character game in 30 hours, you know pretty much exactly how long another 1 million character game will take.
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>>50940233
do you know what "average" is?
>Meanwhile, if you know you've read a 1 million character game in 30 hours, you know pretty much exactly how long another 1 million character game will take.
uhm no? gameplay can double the playing time
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>>50940235
Not enough people are listing their playtimes for there to be a meaningful average. Sometimes it's literally just like 10 guys and one guy puts in 5 hours because he dropped it and there's no systems to stop that. Not to mention if you're below/above average than playtimes still won't really tell you anything.
>gameplay can double the playing time
Don't be facetious; most VNs don't have gameplay. Obviously playtime is somewhat more relevant if you're playing a rare VN with JRPG gameplay but that's not usual.
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>>50940239
>Not enough people are listing their playtimes for there to be a meaningful average.
30+ is enough and you are coping about outliers. also if you click on playime you can use stdev to find you you reading time based on the average
>Obviously playtime is somewhat more relevant if you're playing a rare VN with JRPG gameplay but that's not usual.
>it's better until it's not
or just use the playtime for everything?
show me 1 game with 30+ votes where you playtime was further than 2stds
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>>50940233
>Meanwhile, if you know you've read a 1 million character game in 30 hours, you know pretty much exactly how long another 1 million character game will take.
You wouldn't necessarily know how long 1 million character will take for you in another game, though.
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>>50940233
The notes section usually includes whether someone only played one route. It includes whether they skipped h-scenes, skipped voices, or listened to everything all the way through. It includes whether they were slow or fast at reading it. When there are slow, medium, and fast paces listed for releases played in JP, I know my pace will be around the middle ground.
I like seeing notes on how long common route took, or how long to expect for a first playthrough.
I'd much rather have all of this info to judge on than just 'this game was X number of characters'. Not to mention some games/books of similar character count can be a far denser and slower read than others.
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>>50939268
ok so, funny story time
apparently this ge has 2 main releases, the og one and the voiced renewal edition, but the problem is that
>og
music doesn't loop, game crashes with sfx on, no voice acting but easy to run
>renewal
it's a bitch to mount, you need to crack it, but then everything is perfect, as long as you have windows xp (vm is fine too) to run it for some reason.
point is, i simply set windows version to xp on wine and it worked flawlessly on my main setup. another W for troonux
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>>50940634
https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/549246-vndb-character-count
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>>50940692
Oh wow someone else actually reading this game. I really loved that one. It's very unique, quite atmospheric, and the mystery is quite well done imo. The main trio is pretty fun and a lot of the side characters were cool too. Enjoy anon.
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>>50941636
Same reason I ended up playing it. D ~その景色の向こう側~ was probably my favorite game of everything that was in that crossover except like Phantom of Inferno. Although I technically haven't read some of the games that super random one-off apperance characters were in.
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>>50941973
having played most of the pre-90s games on vndb and having dumped early egs years to excel:
egs has less stuff (though it includes more non-strictly-vns) but it has more votes on untranslated stuff. like fairytale/cocktailsoft games have very few votes on vndb but are relativaly popular on egs
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I can't believe this was you Kumiko. Why would you do that? That's really mean. I feel betrayed.
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vndb is dead
that reminds me if it comes back is there way to export your profile
I spent way too much time last year going through the save files of everything i played to add start and finish dates and add notes for everything and add everything to the list and also my wishlists and stuff to lose it all
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>>50942840
Wow, based.
Raises the game up in my backlog.
>>50942846
Open its Steam page, add "?l=japanese" at the end of the URL.
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small-time
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>>50947605
only the saturn version is uncensored, so i guess might as well read the psp one which has more stuff, but dunno
i'm also not sure which version of otogirisou to read, fuck all these bloated extended version of og games
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what the fuck is going on here?
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