Why wouldn't she be able to?

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>>50911707
no specific statement from ZUN per se, just implications in print works.
per akyuu in PMiSS:
>魔法の箒は、彼女が勝手に魔法使いに必須だと思って使っている乗り物である。
>She uses the magic broom to ride around on because she believes it's an essential tool for a magician.
this led people to believe she uses it strictly for aesthetic purposes. she also does not use her broom in GFW's extra stage. i think it's been a long time since we've seen her fly without it, though, so maybe her ability has degraded if it ever existed.

>>50911707
Marisa likes having a thick rod between her thighs

>>50913289
Another one? Her todger hangs down to her knees...

>>50912973
>>50911707
play GFW, stupid humans

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Marisa's thread keeps dying cause no one use 4chan anymore

>>50912973
Just like how Sakuya uses knives only because she believes they're a non-deceptive form of magic, when she's perfectly capable of using other forms of magic and danmaku.
Reminder she figured out a more practical use for the Hakkero where Marisa couldn't.

>>50911707
Same reason why Seija wears her ribbon upside-down - it just feels appropriate

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>>50912973
In Symposium of Post-mysticism, there is an article about that extra stage in GFW, you can see her flying on a broom. So the portrait of Marisa without her broom in GFW was probably a mistake.

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>>50917287
not on my watch!

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>>50911707
Lotus Eaters Chapter 48 has a scene where Reimu flies down to the bottom of the Genbu Ravine, but has to wait for Marisa, who is without her broom and climbs down. This very strongly implies that Marisa can't fly without her broom.

>>50912973
it probably is just a style choice, like her witch hat, she doesn't need it but likes using it, which makes marisa a cuter since it confirms she is a girl who likes dressing up

>>50928763
what's the full context? seems a bit weird for Reimu to just wait for her while freezing, instead of just holding her while flying

>>50928763
So, Reimu and Sanae fly thanks to their gods, Youmu is half ghost, Sumireko probably uses some esper shit, Marisa can't fly, then, how the hell does Sakuya fly? Did Remilia give her the ability, is it related to her vague past, or can she just ignore gravity cause it's funny for her?

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>>50929940
Reimu fell off the side of the ravine, but floated to the bottom. As for why she didn't just carry Marisa... idk I guess Marisa is just fat.
>>50931949
I can't recall any instances outside of the games where Sakuya flies, so I'll take it to be a non-canon convenience for the sake of gameplay; similar to the omnipresence of danmaku.
>can she just ignore gravity cause it's funny for her?
This might also be the case. If Sakuya can manipulate space and time, then why not gravity?

>>50931949
ZUN believes that time and space are one of the same and if you can control one you can control the other. That is how she flies, people just forgets that she can control space too.

>>50934093
This is essentially how physics explains spacetime, though Sakuya is kind of breaking it her own way. A more physics-accurate ver would be that she has gravity powers herself, hence warping spacetime to fly by falling or making time speed up and slow down relative to her.

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>>50928763
>This very strongly implies that Marisa can't fly without her broom.
Marisa went out of her way to do the whole mountain climber act and Reimu even nagged her about doing it and not just flying by way of complaining about her taking so long to get down.

If anything, since Marisa controls her broom as seen here, and her broom can lift herself, Marisa can just make herself fly if she wants.

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>>50935564
>Reimu even nagged her about doing it and not just flying by way of complaining about her taking so long to get down.
Reimu nagged her for "playing at mountaineering" specifically, which doesn't really imply that Marisa can fly without her broom. Of course this is the English translation, but I doubt the Japanese implies this either.

Another point would be that Marisa forgot that Reimu can fly on her own. How could that happen if Marisa herself can also fly?

>>50935615
>Another point would be that Marisa forgot that Reimu can fly on her own. How could that happen if Marisa herself can also fly?
Because people rarely ever fly in the comics, even the fairies.

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>>50931949
>can she just ignore gravity cause it's funny for her?

>>50911707
Marisa's broom gets wrecked in CDS during her fight with Flandre and she continues to fly unassisted. It's just an accessory.

>>50924753
source on the more practical use of the hakkero?

>>50924753
It's known that Touhou characters already hold back via spellcard rules, but some people fail to recognize that some characters hold back on top of already holding back by using their preferred type of fighting instead of their whole reperotoire.
Alice is probably the most famous example, a magician that can use other forms of magic, including using her grimoire, but just prefers to fight dolls.
There's Marisa, who can do all sorts of magic and can basically copycat almost all types of attacks, but prefers to do straightforward magic attacks because it's more fun and stereotypical (iirc she's also attuned to water magic, but prefers and uses more fire-related magic). This stems to Marisa being a larper who will get fully into a role as long as she thinks its fun, and will also nerf herself just to stereotypically act that role (hence the "Ordinary Magician" title).
Reimu who rarely uses most of her 10 quadrillion bajillion abilities because she's too lazy to use them unless she explicitly needs them, so she just resorts to stabbing people with needles. She's capable of casually manipulating space like Sakuya and boundaries like Yukari (both stereotypical Shrine Maiden abilities), and also the whole summoning gods schtick she can actually use well enough now.

Also, I think it's a given that every character that appears in the games can fly without tools. It's opposite logic in Gensokyo in contrast to real life. You have to prove someone can't fly on their own.

Wakasagihime can fly, Mokou can fly, Marisa can fly, Sakuya can fly, Reisen can fly, etc. Everyone capable of fighting in the series can fly. Free flight is probably the most basic magic any being can learn.
The manga are just that it's far, far rarer to have any character fly. Hell, even Okina walks in the manga.

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>>50935564
god imagine if she jams the butt end of the broom up Reimu's ass

>>50935996
SSiB and I was mistaken. Marisa already knew about it, but somehow Sakuya also knew this and used Marisa for her Hakkero to heat the water.
>>50936074
Ye, no shit humans are sandbagging. Sakuya's capable of throwing something at the speed of light and can create armed time dopples, who knows to what extent, probably ad infinitum more than Flan.
And if that wasn't broken enough, she can rapidly accelerate an object's aging process, like with the bamboo shoots. That likely involves somehow speeding up it's kinetic energy, along with elements assisting the growth, down to the molecular level without incinerating it.
Which means at full blast, she could possibly accelerate the edges of her blades, vibrating them into high-frequency weapons.

>>50936193
Imagine if she learnt a spell to give people prostate massages from a distance and used it to bully the boy she liked out of misplaced sexual aggression.

>>50936934
Everyone's sandbagging. What I mean is that several 2hu characters are casually capable of using other abilities beyond their "main one", but just don't, because of various reasons.

>>50936098
>However, unusually for Touhou, she is a character with fairly strong limitations on where she can go. So it is difficult to include her in other works.
Why would ZUN bother saying this about her fortune slip if Waggy could fly?

>>50938654
she literally flies in the game, or at least it never looks like she's underwater anyway
and it's likely because, again, barely anybody flies anywhere else but the games, so ZUN probably just thinks it extra awkward to include a mermaid outside of water
Both in the "why would she be there" sense (a limitation a lot of characters in the series have) and that it just looks wrong

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>>50939388
marisa underwate?

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>>50939388
Her tail only loses the underwater graphical effect during her spellcards, otherwise it always looks like she's swimming. I find it just as likely to say this is a graphical limitation/oversight than to say that she can fly. Shoulda put her in the Manzairaku WaHH chapter.

>>50935990
This is untrue. Marisa remains on the ground the whole time after her broom is destroyed

>>50939430
Cute and canon yuri

>>50936074
Reimu's a more interesting case as she usually can't practically remember all of her niche utilities unless she actively studies them. She's more like a traditional magician in that respect than Marisa is.

>>50936934
I wonder if Sakuya is doing something opposite to that to ensure her blades comply with the spellcard rules?

>>50939938
Spellcard rules exist BECAUSE of people like Sakuya.

>>50939938
"Non-lethal" for Touhou characters is different from non-lethal in real life.
Mokou literally burns herself to ash over and over again in both IN and the fighting games yet she's complying with the spellcard rules. A bunch of flying knives is normal in comparison to the mountain-sized nuclear fireball that Okuu created in FDS.

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If Marisa can't fly without sitting on the broom then how can she do this?

>>50941989
>"Non-lethal" for Touhou characters is different from non-lethal in real life.
There's a reason the saying "less lethal" exists.

>>50934100
>sakuya doesn't fly, she falls upward
pro hacker move

>>50942087
it's like dr strangelove getting out of his wheelchair and walking; marisa simply forgets she can fly but does it by accident when she needs to

>>50939451
How the hell does she stay buoyant with that much of her body sticking out of the water? Is her tail THAT fat?

>>50941989
The biggest hurdle of this line of thinking is ironically Reimu, who is demonstrated to be of regular human durability whenever someone actually manages to land a blow on her. She can't survive getting shanked by a real knife, so Sakuya has to be doing something to moderate that.
Also, the spellcard rules state you cannot fatally injure your opponent. There is no rule that says you can't fatally injure yourself.