>>43554124
140 characters or less plz

If you're here, you have gender dysphoria.

>>43554124
This is why I think gender dysphoria is a bad framework for understanding transition. It's hard to identify. It's easy to think you don't have it.

Better to go with the euphoria side. Would it make you *happy* to be the opposite sex? Does imagining being the opposite sex feel like it opens up a world of opportunities? Would you prefer it over your birth sex? Etcetera.

>>43554235
You can tell yourself that, but imagine the scenario where you one day realize that you've mutilated yourself and destroyed your body all because you thought you had gender dysphoria but instead you just had a complex set of mental issues like a personality disorder, clinical depression and generalized anxiety that you mistakenly thought was gender dysphoria

>>43554124
Op, i broadly agree with you but would add that what we call "Dysphoria" is a catagory invented by (largely) disgraced cis sexologists to try to describe something they didnt understand. It is a crude tool incapable of accurately modeling or denoting the full variety of trans experiences and the obsession with this constructed catagory is limiting because it makes trans people feel the need to fit some narrow diagnostic standard to be valid rather than just living how they want.

>>43554282
You can say that but imagine you john50.

>>43554282
repper cope. Hope you're at least hrtrepping

>>43554282
Right, well, don't do it because of the dysphoria, then. Do it because you sincerely would be happier as the opposite sex.

Yeah, why it's called gender dysphoria when gender is social behaviour and trannies are about medical interventionism?

Looks like it's all sbout society unwilling to grant people any freedom beyond hetero totalitarianism

>>43554274
Right, replace something vague and indirect with something that is arguably even more vague and indirect. There are a million things that I can think of that would make me happier, if I had a lot of money, if I had a partner, if I could pursue my dream job, now let's think about the depressed person's starting point, they would in many cases rather die than to do anything, and are desperate for a way out or a way to stop hurting, do you not think that they are particularly vulnerable to wishful thinking? That they can delude themselves into thinking that "If only I was a woman/man I would feel better"? Hell, in many cases they will engage in a lot of stupid and irrational behaviours just to feel like they belong or that they have meaning in their lives, making them feel happier, do you not think that identifying as the other gender would be one of these things?

>>43554376
I wasn't describing myself, I snapped out of it before doing anything to my body, thank God for that

>>43554282
But I'm happy now.

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>>43554415
All of those things you listed are sincerely worth pursuing. You do not sound like a trans person, to be honest. Sincerely wanting something like this - it has to happen over months or years, and it's gotta be less about obtaining gender like a trophy and more about "What would I do if I was this kind of person?"

I transitioned in pursuit of happiness and I can honestly say I fucking got it. Shit's pretty dope. I can finally be the cutie I always wanted to be. Also I totally had pretty bad dysphoria in hindsight

>>43554441
Oh I get it. You're a future John50 repper who convinced "him"self it'll just go away and can't figure out why it won't. You are terrified of occupying the wretched social position we do. You are on 4chan and you dislike our existence for political reasons. You think *some* trannies are legitimate, but *you* could never be. But you kinda wish you were, right? It would give you an excuse.

>>43554124
I am a cis man on hrt.

Yet on the other hand what other options do autistic bi non psychopathic soft men have in the age of hypergamy, smartphone brain damage and crisis of family affordability?

Can they just be gay then tho? Guess that requires being biogay, free of gynophilia, so being half straight makes you agp through unternalised gynophilia

>>43554484
Lol, as soon as someone criticizes you the insults start coming in, anyone who criticizes trans must be "John50" or whatever terms you guys use and is for sure repressing. You don't know anything about me, maybe engage with what I'm saying instead of making this look more like a cult then it already is.

>>43554554
The true desistment rate is around 0.4%. Cis people never, ever wonder if their problem is that they might be a girl.

>>43554463
Yeah because I am not, thanks for actually engaging with my post, but also, this response is exactly what I am talking about. It is never "you are/are not trans" because there is no way to obtain diagnostic criteria, it's completely vibes based and ideologically driven.

>>43554569
Depressed, mentally ill people whose minds are in the clouds all the time can for sure start thinking and doing a lot of irrational and weird things.

>>43554124
you're making a good case on why those who troon for the fetish end up happier than those who hyperfocus on dysphoria.
I have no idea whether I ever had dysphoria nor do I actually care. I trooned because I wanted to. Now I'm slightly happier. That's it.
Y'all over-complicate things, smdh.

>>43554415
I also thought transitioning was the result of a traumatic event. I realized I was trans after I experienced the most traumatizing and soul-draining event of my existence. And I thought for a few weeks that this was the case. To a tee. That it was because of childhood trauma, that it was because of anxiety issues - what have you! But it wasn't any of that. The people who have other, as you describe, "mental states" were often induced that because of parenting issues, social upbringing, etc. You say some may confuse mental states for transexuality but its better summarized as masking. I think there is overlap in how mental states override one another --- but if you have DID or bipolar, its not that one is mistaking DID for transexuality, rather DID is masking over the transexuality. Even if someone transitioned thinking their "transness was actually DID", its like mixing apples to oranges. Sure, there can be a fruit bowl, but its rare you'll find an apple in the orange stand. Autism, DID, BPD, anxiety issues can't be mistaken for transness. Even though a lot of autists and anxious people are trans --- maybe because like their sex they built up their personality and self from the ground up due to their "mental state" so ofc they determined what their real sex is --- its largely a correlation does not equal sort of issue. Basically, no-one's confusing their bi-polar urge to be impulsive with trans identity. The only mental illness that can correlate is multiple personality disorder. Otherwise, its like apples to oranges and this reads like cope with a deep shame of having trans thoughts.

>>43554588
Are you hoping for a tranny diagnosis blood test? We had to struggle for decades for slivers of medical recognition. "Ideologically driven" is hilarious, I fucking wish we had support in the medical community

>>43554607
They do not, unless something else is going on, start thinking they might be women. That simply does not fucking happen. Normal people never ever feel the need to question their gender.

>>43554607
This is just vague posturing.

>depressed, mentally ill people ... can for sure start thinking and doing a lot of irrational and weird things

This is not really concrete. Its sorta like a person seeing phones used for commercial use and thinking, "sure, phones can deliver throat cancer to the people who use them. if you're talking a lot, for sure those people use their throat yada yada harm their throat more because they talk more."

Can someone pls criticise my ramblingb >>43554549?

>>43554645
Mentally ill people are not "normal people" in the common usage of the word "normal" they do not adhere to the norms that exist in society at large

>>43554691
Do you want me to list the things I have personally seen a mentally ill person do because of their mental illness? I am sure you can figure it out by yourself, but if you want I can give you a very comprehensive list

>>43554708
Let me put it this way, there is no epidemic of detransitioners who mistakenly thought their depression and anxiety was gender dysphoria. There is no epidemic of people who get into the pipeline this way and then realize it wasn't for them. If you are transgender, and repressing, you will develop a host of psychological issues as a result. Those psychological issues are not the cause of the dysphoria, the dysphoria is because you were born a woman in a man's body.

>>43554745
There is no epidemic of transgenderism either, how do you know the causal story you just gave doesn't go the other way around?

>>43554704
Heres a crit. You seem obsessed with your place in society when you should just try to focus on what it is that YOU want. Exhibit will!

>>43554549
They can suck dick. This is such a narrow view of this subject. Hypergamy, smartphone brain damage and crisis of family affordability squeezes bi non-psychopathic autistic men to be trans? That it leaves them with no other choice but to transition? Repeat that phrase numerous times in the mirror? Do you really think the human spirit spread across millions of people would be that uniform? Do you believe in a concept of self-determination and free will? This an insanely stupid thing to not only read and perceive but just to understand. it gives off the impression that the strawman autistic bi non-psychopathic soft men YOU meet is 0.

People have many choices. Millions even. Hypergamy does not limit free will and other women to go date someone. Smartphone brain damage does not inhibit critical thinking to the point of changing genders as if to assume your brain must be mush to do so! A capitalist squeeze is not some soul-draining mechanism that will destruct a subset of men. This is a cynical broad-strokes defeatist brush that overinflates the weakness of humanity to self-satisfy a repper. that it must mean that a subset of trans people are really just confused autistic bi non psychopathtic soft men for they are so lacking in power in mental fortitude that they must transition. not that sincerely they're all trans women and that such was a choice independent of forced causalities reckoned by the author. That it was a choice chosen out of the millions they can choose in this beautiful free will life.

>>43554771
There kinda is an "epidemic" of transgenderism, a lot more people are transitioning these days due to increased awareness

I transitioned only after fixing all my other mental problems, so I *knew* this is truly what I wanted and yeah it's awesome I feel at home in my own body now

>>43554771
Some argue that there is

https://irl.umsl.edu/urs/113/

Very well spoken. But also
>sad over being certain characteristics generally attributed to a certain gender
>therfore gender dysphoria
It aint that complicated

>>43554843
nta
>Some argue
The link is an opinion piece by some 20 year old terf at the university of fuckknowswhereville. Might as well link to a reddit post. It literally has the same scientific value.

>>43554870
My only point is that many conservative people litterally do say there is a trans epidemic,

>>43554840
In terms of real numbers, trans people make up a miniscule amount of the world population

>>43554739
Is one of them balancing a banana on their nose?
Is one of them doing 100 push-ups?

What you're doing is describing the mentally ill person as chaotic and unpredictable and varied in their behavior, right? This isn't an inaccurate assessment of a loon: people are crazy. But, just because someone is crazy, does that mean they're gonna start balancing a banana on their nose? I wouldn't be correct if I'm now going to say every crazy person will balance a banana on their nose because "they're crazy" and its an "unpredictable action" that can happen. This is how you're describing transness.

The only issue is that transness is now a top-tier very mainstream social issue and no-one is publically talking about balancing bananas. Ok. Let's compare that to another top tier very mainstream social issue: you name it. Did we start seeing crazy people start mimicking that they are a subgroup ... and yes there are instances you can think of, but if anything they're called grifter and are any of them the vague mentally ill person that you mention of?

Overall, very unlikely and almost statistically insignificant that a mentally ill person will jump into transness if they are not already trans.

>>43554124
allat? not reading it

>>43554811
But evangelion said you make your personality real via interaction with others...

>>43554912
Yes and we used to be like 1 in 1000 and now we're more like 1 in 100 or in some places up to 1 in 50

I don't think our numbers can climb much higher than about 1 in 50 but it is a big increase

>>43554771
I think its pretty clear how living with dysphoria would make you depressed and anxious, cant imagine how the reverse would happen though other than just say "ooooooo its cause theyre CrAzY"

>>43554907
Is it brainwashed minds or are people authentic? I think you need to ask yourself that.

>>43554921
Thats true but thats a dialetical relationship so you must act on your behalf, not allow society to merely act upon you. To repeat: exhibit will!

>>43554869
But it doesn't make one trans

>>43554907
you didn't quote a conservative or anyone of any relevance.

>>43554940
??? Not clear what youre asking or even why that would be a meaningful distinction given that even what we consider "authentic" desires are products of society's "brainwashing"

>>43554947
Why not? Because some cis guys said so?

>>43554943
I feel that there's not really much room for me to act according to my will in the reality shaped by social expectations and values I don't share :/

>>43554978
But can't one just be gender nonconforming cis?

>>43554962
An authentic desire cannot be a product of a brainwashed society because if it was, it wouldn't be authentic anymore ??? Either the trans epidemic is the result of authentic people self-actualizing or brainwashed people being moved by "society." You need ask yourself on if YOU are brainwashed or if you are actually speaking authentically, umoored from society's pull.

>ITT anon discovers existential isolation, reserving the inalienable right to personally challenge anybody elses reported experience for convenience and assumed authority

>>43554930
If my account is weird and mysterious then the pro-trans account is just as weird and mysterious, the fact is that mental illness, neurodevelopmental disorders and trans identity are heavily correlated, but ultimately these questions will be settled by empirical research, and my bet is that the research will give us an account of the correlation between transness and mental illness by showing us exactly how mental illness and different neurodevelopmental disorders can cause people to get gender dysphoric/euphoric thoughts and not the other way around

>>43554997
Waiting for the space to be given to you is failing to exhibit will. Act and let society respond, dont hedge yourself in premptively. We suffer more often in imagination than in reality.

>>43555038
There is no desire that is umoored from socitys pull dipshit. Thats what im saying. All our desires are enmeshed in society

>>43555060
>my bet is that we will be able to objectively explain mental phenomena

Kek, sure. Seems more likely that people get sad cause theyre living a life forced upon them.

>>43555063
Guess you're right..

masculinization is an objective criteria youre all simply mentally ill (not trannies simply everyone who posted before me and below this line:
_____________________________________________

>>43555098
I think physicalism is tenable

>>43555119
>masculinization
What's that?

>>43554619
That's what OP is trying to say but , insurance and medical benefits want a disorder to treat. That's gender dysphoria
So you want transgender medical you have to say your mentally ill.
Most transgender have made posts say they are gender dystopia.
Trans Terrorist watch list.
Yes anon trannies created this neo anti transgender culture.

>>43555215
>insurance and medical benefits want a disorder to treat
yeah, idgaf about that. Trooning should be a rich (wo)man's project. If you can't afford it, then tough luck. This shit shouldn't be covered by the taxpayers at all.

>>43555215
Spoken like a true intellectual

>>43554632
I had a great upbringing my dad was a pediatrician and I was always feminine and liked girl things.
I'm not gender dysphoria or mentally ill.
Most transgenders of Gen X are in retirement now , and have status with the community they live and retire in.
This neo trans is more mentally ill then the trans culture from the 80s and 90s .
Very unstable, violent, and envying neo trans culture that has taken over.
You reap what you so

>>43554124
i really don't see what there is to discuss, if we’re gonna start from a skeptical standpoint, we might as well all just go ahead and krill ourselves

>>43554745
You mean masculine men with balls and a dick dressed as women.
Yes that's what it is in Neo Trans community today.

>>43555378
Lets get you to bed grandma

>>43555332
You people like to talk as if all of these things are just settled facts and that everyone denying them is either a "repper" or anti-trans lunatic, I am just pointing out that there are many things which are extremely unclear and vague about trans identity: it is not settled at all what dysphoria or euphoria is, it is not settled at all who counts as trans or not, it is not settled at all why trans people are so mentally ill and have neurodevelopmental disorders at a much higher rate than the rest of the population, it is not settled at all what gender even is, this is an epistemic mess

>>43554840
Understand what is right for you may not be right for others.
Your one transgender in a very small community, that is actually shrinking.
You go from transgender to queer is detransision.
You go from transgender to non binary
Is detransision
You where given option of 4 genders but the neo trans culture wanted 2 genders and biological man as women. That was a mental illness trans activists terrorists that started the anti transgender movement.
Again, what is right for you, may not be right for others.
There are a lot of mentally ill people out there with the wrong diagnosis.

>>43554929
It's decreased. You can't pull numbers out of you ass and think people will buy your shit.
People who support transgenders are 1 in 50 not 1 in 50 are transgenders
Transgender women are under one percent maybe 3/4 of a percent population.

>>43555470
please learn the language you're trying to write in

>>43555251
It was never covered by insurance in the past only when mental illness the gender dysphoria came out the insurance companies covered it.
Let's be honest, most people have jobs and are stable so getting SRS surgery was no problem with cash . It only became a problem in 2010 after the financial collapse. Doctors where hurting for money, insurance for non transgender operations and meds was out of hand and expensive.
So they mad all the mentally ill people transgenders making money, now you have the Neo Trans culture.

>>43555255
I'm Gen X Granny tranny, no generation likes us.
You try to explain but they, don't listen because they don't like Gen X. It's that sad.

>>43555391
This Granny tranny, doesn't sleep after the underground rave closes , we go to the diner.
It's a trans generation culture no other generation will understand.
Exotic, erotic, independence, imagination, free thinking, and so many more things.

>>43555548
No
You can understand what I'm saying
Your fucked yourself
No one wants some spaz at any place
Fucking Betty

>>43555701
There are free english courses online. Maybe when you become literate people will start listening to you.

>>43555679
Lol most gen x response ever but you seem cool even though i think youre saying odd stuff itt

>>43555600
so you agree with me that the libertarian approach is better for both trannies and society at large.
respectfully, anon, your writing is really really weird.

>>43555725
WTF are talking about ! You fucking asshole.
Go somewhere and find friends, you bullshit asshole attitude is mentally ill and talk about yourself before talking about other people.
Your a bigot in your own prison

>>43555763
I'm trying to help you

>>43555729
Gen X is odd
The X games, who likes jock itch
My generation is odd but you get spoiled by independents and free thinking.
Good times

>>43555745
Have you seen the people talking advantage of the system ?
Have you seen the negative news about transgenders ?
Until that changes, then things need to be enforced.
The problem comes down to transgender sex workers and mentally ill people who transition. But you're generation took a different approach and lost big time.
Even Eddie Murphy was caught with a tranny.

>>43555745
Because I'm American, we don't talk like the English we talk like Americans.
Fucking crazy isn't

>>43555769
No one except uptight assholes care about American grammar.
Who cares so much ?
OCD people with mental illness that want control.
That's who

>>43555854
>we don't talk like the English we talk like Americans
neah, you talk like an illiterate peasant.

>>43555797
The independence and free thinking is the tradeoff for our worse place in the declining economy so youve got it pretty good in some ways that we dont just like we have it better in some ways. Stay odd sister

>>43555908
Yes
And I'm like most Americans
Wow
Glad you feel superior, but IRL you're probably a dush bag to be around.
No wonder the FBI has transgender as a terrorist watch group.
What a generation culture change

>>43555951
I think blamming sex workers and the mentally ill dosent make much sense. They dont have like any power in society. i think those are probably just things being levereged by people who want to hurt the trans community, and use us as a scapegoat

>>43555945
It's about people who took advantage of the system, and now every transgender has to pay for their stupidity.
Some will fall some will rise
It happens when there's a culture change.

>>43555951
I wonder why the people you talk to don't like listening to you. It couldn't be the incoherent and hateful ranting. It must be because you're gen x.

>>43555967
They abused the system to the point, data and transgender studies can't be used.
When society thinks of transgenders they now think of mentally ill people and sex workers not 3rd or 4th genders being productive in society.
A culture change
Transgender panic
Transgender dark ages
We have gone from trans rave orgies to violent activists, trans terrorists and malpractice.
Not fair ?
You fucked up Gen X s good time

>>43555978
You just saying shit to hear yourself talk, you rebuttals are not even close to debating.
You can manifest shit in your mind but in real life, your not even close to knowing what you are talking about.

>>43556017
Oh so youre like a retarded asshole, choke.

>>43556057
No
Your just a spiteful fuck with a bug up your ass.

>>43556054
You're saying that the perception of trans people got worse, because the minority group suddenly became infested with sex prostitutes and mentally ill people. The perception of trans people in the 90s and 2000s, though, was that they're disgusting rapist sex prostitutes. Look at any American comedy movie featuring one. There's the rebuttal, and making quippy little remarks about how the young people who were just like you are in danger shows what a disgusting dried out piece of shit you are.

>>43556131
Please anon go by the number of intake of prisons of transgenders and age .
Movie ?
There is no more data on transgenders just male and female.
And people have fantasies about being with transgender women.
You don't get it and never will, because your mental health is about fighting and not understanding.
Rocky horror picture show was a great time out at the movies until neo trans culture stopped it .
Ok
Now what
You're pulling shit out your ass and it's obvious you're lying for your attention that feeds your mental illness.

>>43554367
Reppers are the most powerful people on this board. You turned yourself into a Hon freak because you literally weren't as strong as me. Sucks for you I guess.

>>43556329
I experienced joy today, did you?

>>43556223
You're without a doubt more mentally ill than me, not to mention the 2nd grade english skills. Show me data on transgender people in prison, their ages, and compare it to the general population. Is there more young transgender people per capita than young cis people per capita? Let me know, faggot. Btw, I was talking about movies like ace ventura, 40 year old virgin, and silence of the lambs where you got either rapist tranny, prostitute tranny, or serial killer tranny. Such amazing perception the trans community had during those times.

>>43556345
I don't need joy, thats what makes me strong.

>>43556367
Who are you being strong for? Will your village be ransacked by savages if you aren’t

>>43556384
For me obviously. If I wasnt strong enough to forgo the desire to be happy, I would do something Id regret in desperation and make my life even worse

>>43556360
This is the thing in the 80s and 90s they would use propaganda against transgender women because the facts where not true. Today those facts are true, 2/3 of transgender women in jail are from a sex offence.
Most transgender people incarcerated in U.S. state prisons are under the age of 34, according to data from the Prison Policy Initiative.
And that is not Gen X s age Gap.
Now where's your data ?

>>43556360
That is fiction, your generation is making it reality.
Your mentally ill if you think a transgender Gen X did a mass shooting

>>43556360
People from all over the USA talk different, why are you so worried about uniformity ?
Weirdo

>>43556412
Your point was that mentally ill sex prostitutes changed how trans people were viewed, and that's why they're bad. They were already viewed this way though. Now give links to your data, and be sure to include data from the 90s that shows how trans people weren't like that then.

>>43556479
I just showed you the data look it up it say what is the biggest age group in prison.
Stop your propaganda against Gen X
Just stop .
Look up average age of transgender women in US prisons .

>>43556432
https://www.foxnews.com/us/new-details-revealed-about-seconds-before-trans-gunman-opened-fire-rhode-island-hockey-game
More like I live in reality.
>>43556524
I searched it up, and couldn't find the transgender age range data, sorry. Could you link it? Could you also link data from the 90s to make sure it's not just young people in general who are more likely to end up in prison, just millenials and gen z?

>>43556547
Domestic ?
And that wasn't in the 80s or 90s it was in 2026
And he was mentally ill and should have been evaluated better by doctors

>>43556449
did you respond to anon 3 times ... this is the third response I see to No.43556360. Repping means death.

>>43556571
He's gen x. That was your argument. That gen x trannies are pure and gen z trannies are all mentally ill and deserve to be labelled as terrorists.

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>>43556547

>>43556603
Doesn't mean death, they probably made the wrong decision, like bi men what is bi ?
People can detransision if they want
People change their mind all the time
It's like break dancing, people where into break dancing and dressing like break dancers, the culture died .

>>43556547
Ted Kaczynski had trans thoughts. He did the unabomber. Maybe many such cases of trans ppl going brazy in Gen X but bc they were strong and didn't face themselves get called based instead of trans.

>>43556604
Well there's a storm coming, and your going to wonder how you lived so high in your ivory tower.
You abused the system, and now laws are here keep the abuse regulated.

>>43556641
?
what does that last sentence mean, Anon?
also I think you're doing the same argument that No.43554914 said ---

>>43556650
what system, what laws? what are you even saying?

>>43556644
I can't believe you typed that
Ted Kaczynski ? A transgender ?
I'm not believing that for anything

>>43556654
If you think I'm a bot you're fucking mentally ill and need serious help anon .
Get help now

>>43556644
Nothing you just said supported your argument at all, which is
>a secret coalition of hospital owners manufactured trans neo culture in the 2010s to sell medical procedures to the mentally ill. Now most young trans people aren't trans, but misled mentally ill prostitutes.
To be honest, you sound schizophrenic. Maybe you should seek out someone to help with that, instead of breaking down on internet threads calling people assholes and "dush bags".

>>43556699
i just came to talk about ted (look it up, he did have trans thoughts). you responded to me twice about this ? i have never been in this thread before lol

>>43556664
You don't see the new transgender laws ?
You don't see the culture change
Are you that self-destructive you can't see the FBI now has a transgender terrorist watch list
That's fucking crazy that a small culture of transgenders have a violent terrorist organization inside the culture.
To get the FBI s attention like that it's not good. And no one will risk anything being associated with transgenders, best to stay away then make a mistake about transgenders.

>>43556698
>did not call mentally retarded low iq shitstain a bot
>cries victim and says it called a bot
>doesn't even refer to argument made by poster that summarized his entire argument strategy and disproved the worm

is anyone who is smarter than you mentally ill?

>>43556699
The facts line up anon

>>43556725
sorry, thought you were the gen x schizo i was arguing with, and that they got hit with a literacy beam.

>>43556747
Clearly you're going down a path of destruction, like most transgenders.
Get help about your mental health

>>43556759
Thoughts maybe he wanted to be a bumblebee too .
Oooooo no
Fucking A

>>43556740
Glows.

>>43556768
NTA, you're severely low IQ and the fact you got dunked on by a bunch of transgenders is hilarious.

>t. faggot republican

>>43556787
Wait an see this Charlie Kirk trial , will be all about anti transgender, the biggest trial of the century.
There's a storm coming

>>43556810
Glows.

>>43556810
It's not too late to see a doctor for your schizophrenia and pick up english lessons...

>>43556808
What ever asshole, you have cope about yourself.
Say what you want, but when it comes back to you don't cry.
You're miserable, don't make others miserable

>>43556830
bro, you got dunked on nigga. a bunch of men on estrogen clapped your shit. weak ass shit.

>>43556819
No
And if you don't see what's happening, it's your own stupid fault.
Because you're a idiot transgender doesn't mean other transgenders are going to follow you.
It's probably why most transgender are detransision because of the mentally ill people in the community

>>43556848
>why most transgender are detransision because of the mentally ill people in the community
statistically false.

>>43556845
In a couple of hours, you will be angry at someone else until your mental health goes to far.
Can't talk to crazy, it's why they are in jail

>>43556869
bruh, I am telling the way you debate is objectively ass. i agree with you on principle, but you look like a moron calling anyone who disagrees with you mentally ill. how tf do you lose to trannys?

>>43556868
You can't say the transgender community is growing.
You can't say sponsoring the transgender community is growing.
Liberals and Democrats are moving away from transgender culture.
Explain that

>>43556881
It is one.

>>43556887
>anon says statistically false thing
>ignores every argument that disproved him
>gish gallops a bunch of other crap

You are the equivalent to a bleating incomprehensible sheep who keeps on waaaa waaa waaaing.

>>43556881
It's obvious no one is backing transgenders anymore.
The Democrats and liberals are not backing the transgender community.
You abused the power when you got attention and now everyone is jumping ship.

>>43556897
nigga I looked at the whole thread. it was a 5v1 of trannys versus you. leave this board. you embarased yourself

>>43556916
I am a Republican you fucking nitwit. I am also not a tranny. this why you're ass. you don't even read hahahahahaha.

>>43556887
>>43556740
Do you support the execution of trannies in the times of nazi germany, because public and governmental perception of them at the time was poor?

>>43556881
Gender dysphoria is mental illness
End of subject
Don't want that on your record, tran terrorist and the patriot act

>>43556940
do you know how to read nigga? what sort of shit in the post you responded 3 TIMES, shows I'm a trans terrorist and will get patriot act flagged? WHAT? that I'm a faggot republican? is this your first time on 4chan, kike?

>>43556899
You're making shit up and the game is up.
People don't in trust transgenders anymore then mentally ill people.
Your behavior is not excepted in society anymore.

>>43556930
So tell us anon what's your detransision story ?
Or
Why do you think detransision is better for some mental illnesses ?
Your not a tranny so tell us your thoughts >>43556935

>>43554124

Gender dysphoria is created as a systemic byproduct of the medical system in which patients are tragedy and medical treatment granted based on dmeonstrable necessity against the presumptive scarcity of resources. As such, it is an inherently negative condition because it has to be.

Gender dysphoria cannot objectively describe trans people because the fact is that trans people socially and culturally learn to describe the symptoms which they have internalized in order to be given medical treatments which they need to exist. This entails suppressing or denying the positive aspects of their condition while exxagerating and dramatising the negative-- this performance is compulsory. That's why the derogatory label of "fetish" exists and why Blanchard endeavored to study and "humanize" AGP. This is also why the concept of "optics" and "optics nuking" in the west exists. It is also why "trans optics" can only get worse. As the access to cater and overall health condition of trans people improves, their visible and apparent need for it decreases.

The reason for this has to do with the role of religion, specifically christian spirituality in modern medecine, as well as its claimed lineage in classical education. But this would take too long to get into here.

Medical science has apprehended these ethical problems and resolved them with the informed consent model. At that point, with the medical system no longer cooperating in the ghettoization of trans people, the political right had to move toward withdrawing all legal recognition.

On 4chan, the authoritarian culturally conservative beliefs that have been internalized through trauma survive in the form of beliefs "vented" anonymously into a communal dumping ground. Patriarchal, racist, religious, and gender essentialist beliefs, all shot through with psychotic pre occupation with self harm.

no one in this fucking thread knows who they're talking to

>>43556960
Say what you want, conservative don't behave like you do.
Get help

>>43556985
did a 5 year old discover 4chan?

>>43556986

(Cont.)

Anyone who self determines their gender as different from their sex assigned at birth is trans and any *reasonable* medical treatment to bring one's sex into greater accordance with their perceived gender is justified on the basis of informed consent. It's the only rational idea with which we can protect all trans people on a sustained and durable basis.

>>43556986

**triaged not tragedy

>>43556996
you are jewish and israeli. are you a patrick bet david type of conservative or a nicker conservative?

>>43556995
That's the benefit of being on 4chan

>>43556986
Or because if you want Muslim allies you have to have no transgenders.
You want to win a war you got break some eggs.
You people are so fucking stupid

>>43556995
Being it's an anonymous image board, I would say your correct anon.
Unless there's a supper mentally ill person that is making claims it can't back up, yes no one knows who they are talking to

>>43556985
>Your not a tranny so tell us your thoughts
I am. Tell me your stance on it.

>>43557001
Your very obnoxious anon , your insulting people, doesn't change the facts about your stupidity.

>>43557048
If you're Anon, that is you. You have not made one claim that has been backed up. A post way, way back has already disproved you. You're just a 4chan lolcow at this point.

>>43557060
Are you 5 years old - its a real question - I think YOU'RE the stupid one - I think YOU'RE really dumb. I'm the poster who said YOU'RE gay, you're jewish and just cringe.

>>43557016
That is a complement, I don't want to be caught in a wrong place with the wrong people.
Shit show never stops,
Trust no one

>>43557076
oh no ... jewish and israeli ... thread over, opinion irrelevant.

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hi chuddy! here is a relevant hazbin hotel image for your post.

>>43557076
Confirmed pysop.

>>43557058
I did , gender dystopia is for instance money so doctors can make money off of people.
It's mental illness on peoples medical records and the patriot act can look into trans terrorist records.
So your scam has costed you a label of mental illness

>>43557103
That has nothing to do with what I said. You CANNOT read.

>>43557065
The topic is mental illness, if you have gender dysphoria you are mentally ill.
That's that
Not my rules, it's the US government.

>>43557113
bro I've been saying since he called me a tranny!!!

>>43557125
its a confirmed pysop. this person is an Israeli who's been paid by Kash Patel to do counter-intelligence for the FBI.

>>43557072
What's that got to do with, with mental illness on your medical records ?
Your medical records are not going to change.
The government can look into your records because of transgender terrorists.
No insurance will cover mental illness for transgenders in the future.
You have a cock and balls
You're fucking mentally ill

>>43557090
Pick your side wisely, and know why the anti transgender laws are here.
Not my problem, but it sounds like you have to deal with the problem

>>43557148
yes I do. because I am a gay man. I am a republican. I have said this to you many times. numerous even. yet you still call me a tranny. again, you are Jewish. your opinion is irrelevant because you support the most braindead political reality which is Israeli statehood. you're FUCKING mentally deficient and deserve a lobotomy hahaha

>>43556986
who told Foucault about /tttt/?

>>43557161
nigga, you said you had tranny thoughts. this is your problem, aren't you a troon-repper? ??? so anyone who is an actual man gets called a troon but someone who clearly had troon thoughts, whines about it 4tran, is less of a tranny that a self-idenftieid man who said I AM A MAN to you numerous times is ... less ... of a man ... than a troon-obbessed, troon-wannabe-loser-retard who LOST repreatedly to midwit trannies on the net????

>>43557100
Focus on bathrooms because there is no transgender care for government workers.
Good job on that one, priority is bathrooms not medical benefits.
Which brings me to gender dysphoria and mental illness, do you have mental illness ?
Why should the insurance companies pay for mentally ill people who want to dress as women and keep the cock and balls.
Gender dysphoria means no cock and balls, but most transgender have cock and balls.
Took advantage of a system and now the laws are here

>>43557125
Shemale

>>43557195
GLOWS.

>>43557136
Because blue sky has no violent trannies.
You so fucking stupid your a danger to yourself

>>43557206
NIGGA I AM A MAN! I AM A GAY MAN! DO YOU NOT KNOW HOW TO READ??????

>>43557224
GLOWS!

>>43557185
I don't understand your crazy talk, stop embracing the transgender community

>>43557227
I have a video of you.
Do you want to see it

>>43557249
I don't embrace the transgender community. I am a republican. I am not a tranny. I'm just telling you, you're a moron because you made no-sense throughout this thread and you got pwned by a bunch of trannies. You have room temperature IQ.

>>43557257
what does the video show ... :D

>>43557270
Ok so your not a shemale, but gender dysphoria is mental illness.
Most transgender are finding out that it was some other mental health problem and not gender dysphoria and they are detransisioning .

>>43557298
you're really fucking stupid holy shit.

>t. the same faggot republican

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>>43557278
Good thing he had a diaper on
Saying he's not a tranny

File: 1773758877622555.webm (3.8 MB)

>>43557324
Ok your gay and don't act like a Republican.
It's ok
Just Stop shitting in the hot tub fagot

>>43557298
>Most transgender are finding out that it was some other mental health problem and not gender dysphoria and they are detransisioning .
Why do you keep making easily debunked claims to support your schizophrenic world view instead of seeking psychiatric help?

>>43557345
are these all videos of you? why do you have this saved? this is more suspect of you nigga ... have you ever watched Nick Fuentes you Israeli slave? so, you're a scat and diaper fetishist, yeah? who has tranny thoughts????

>>43557346
I think she has down syndrome by the way she speaks.

>>43555299
the tranny thoughts in question.

>>43557415
Internal Movement Changes: There is an emerging, more moderate, and integrationist movement within the trans community that seeks to distance itself from radical gender ideology, as described by observers

>>43554463
I want to be trans because I like to be nurturing, wearing soft pretty clothes, my body not being masculine, having no testosterone (not nearly as compulsively horny), I feel less distress when my reflection of my face is feminine rather than masculine, and when I can fit in in a feminine social setting. And more. My body doesn’t seem to understand that I don’t have a womb, and that having a child with a man is not possible and has been like that for as long as I can remember.

I felt most of these feelings from a very young age.

>>43557445
Let's say there's a bunch of violent transgender people telling you you have gender dysphoria.
Would you believe them or do some research into what makes you feel that way.
I think most transgender women feel like you do but got sucked into the mental illness of gender dysphoria.
Violent fems is mental illness

>>43554336
john50 is a psyop. 50 year old lateshits are overwhelmingly happier than youngshits, and especially happier than kids who trooned out before 18 (because a surprising number have to detrans because they didn't know what the fuck they were doing). look atalk the troons on reddit who transition in middle age. they act like they won the lottery, meanwhile 20 somethings sound like they're going to rope once a week.

>>43554282
literally me lol, i need to detroon

>>43554124
I definitely did have dysphoria and even dreamed about being a woman but it got better as I experimented more with different drugs and my hair grew back all the way and now I'm just kinda a weird guy with boobs.

>>43554235
Trvke

I read this entire thread and i lost a significant amount of braincells

>>43557692
Souce: revealed in a dream

>>43557515
I would describe myself as having a pretty severe case of gender dysphoria and always have, so I might not be the best person to ask. I came out for the first time at 13, to my parents and friends and all romantic partners since then, literally as being a “girl trapped in a boys body” etc etc.

I do agree that a lot of people identify as a trans/dysphoric when most people don’t even agree on the concepts of gender, sexuality, and dysphoria. Some people claim dysphoria and misunderstand what it is. Some people claim trans and don’t agree on what trans means, lol.

One of the biggest problems the trans community has is lack of specificity of language and lack of agreement on those terms. We still have people who want to claim trans women are 1:1 with cis women in every sense of the word which is… just stupid. Unfortunately this results in a ton of cis people thinking that trans people want to erase definitions of biological sex. This could all be solved by using the word transfem or transmasc instead of trans woman or trans man, but we’re too proud to just change our fucking brand

Oh sorry guys i think i left my schizoposter9001 on over night..

>>43558185
>transmasc instead of trans woman or trans man
Hang yourself

>>43554124
Niggeryap
>i uhh... its not defined because... uh.. these anons???? Anything that defines it is hecking wrong and evil and bad and should be excluded, anyway, why is it not defined?
Mental retardation?

>>43554282
>personality disorder, clinical depression and generalized anxiety that you mistakenly thought was gender dysphoria
"Yeah uhh.. im clingy and scared, time to give myself tits or something"
>>43554415
"Yyh, uh, theres nothing material about women or men, its just identification!!!"
>dontwanttosearchthepostnumber.jpg
>showing us exactly how mental illness and different neurodevelopmental disorders can cause people to get gender dysphoric/euphoric thoughts
So working from a conclusion? That's one of the core shit of pseudoscience nigger

>>43558413
Don't worry. It was pretty funny

>>43558937
Why?

>>43554282
Im extremely scared and permanently anxious about exactly this case lol.

>>43559242
Me too, but reminding myself that I can just kill myself usually works to calm the nerves

>>43560821
Unfortunately i also think that im such an indecisive person that i would not manage to do that either.

And despite the fact that life is generally not all that fun i still think i wouldnt be able to get myself to consider it seriously.

>>43554274
What does one do when the answer is that they might be happy to be the opposite sex, and that it might make them like themselves more to be female, but they aren't quite sure.

But also this hypothetical person started taking estrogen and is occasionally super duper extremely happy about looking more female and in general has gotten a lot happier with their appearance and themselves kinda.

But on the other hand is also often extremely anxious that they are doing the wrong thing anyways and might not like it and will regret it (especially breast growth).

What exactly would one make of that?
Asking for a friend ofc.

>>43563125
nta but the actual answer is to keep going.
>and will regret it (especially breast growth)
keyhole surgery exists. but you won't need it most likely.

>>43564393
Surgery is still scary tho and keyhole only works if shits small/underdeveloped enough so a quick decision is kinda required no?

Also sometimes the anxiety/thinking it might be bad/i may not like having breasts is quite convincing so i really dont know which feeling to trust for good lol.

Like why is the answer to keep going even then, or is it not anymore? Eventho i kinda agree sometimes idk.

>>43565588
>keyhole only works if shits small/underdeveloped enough
false.
>so a quick decision is kinda required no?
nope.
>so i really dont know which feeling to trust for good
touch grass. It's absurd to spend that much time thinking just about this.
your problems are way bigger (and also different) than whether you have some breasts or not, desu.