Don't need to. The spanish translation is good.

>>738725215
i WILL wait for the retranslation mod.

>>738725215
You can't learn Japanese.

>>738725301
That's just an AI translation, which only proves that AI is good enough that no one can tell.

>>738725380
It’s literally fucking impossible if you don’t start as a baby.

>>738725471
It's difficult, but not impossible. The language is solved, so you can learn it, but it's very different from English.

>>738725380
Why you can’t? I learned N5 in 1 year alone just online and i am 30.

>>738725627
Stop. You know nothing.

>>738725812
He knows about 800 words, 100 kanji, and 60 grammar structures. That's GMI territory.

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I really should. Is there some newer stuff worth learning from or is it the usual stuff that gets linked from /jp/

>>738725945
N5 passing score is ~45%

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>>738725380
True

>>738725945
What is GMI?

>>738726158
Goon Material Index

>>738725995
/jp/ stuff is all outdated. Modern LLMs have largely replaced the old teaching materials. For instance, it can perfectly translate and break down the CM text in your picture, teaching you every component.

bros i know learning japanese is fun and all but if you aren't careful you will end up with a cute japanese wife

>>738725450
It's more that historically the standards have been so low, that a somewhat okay AI TL is considered good.

>>738726158
Good maternal instincts

>>738726158
"Gonna Make It." I think it was originally a /fit/ meme.

>>738726197
You wish lmao
They dont like filthy gaijin unless youre a tall white blue eyed chad

why would you learn this dead language when you can just put it in AI lmao???

>>738726242
The standards have been low, but AI TL is also very good, since its training material is based off of high quality TLs.

>>738726090
A low passing score doesn't necessarily mean he only studied half the words.

>>738726308
dude you forgot the part about my blond hair

>>738726308
Not really
I was in japan recently and had to hire an interpreter for a certain tour
The interpreter turned out to be a pretty regular looking American dude of completely average height who moved to Japan, went to a japanese uni, met his future wife while in uni and now they have a kid
Dude is living the dream tbqh

>>738726317
>need to find the nearest restroom
>Sue me mason, toe ret roe gah doh koh desue kah?

>>738726585
the japanese invented those restroom signs that the entire world now uses specifically to counter this

It seems impossible to learn the language because there are way too many Kanjis.

>>738726792
>it seems impossible to learn English because all of the words are pronounced differently despite being spelled the same

>>738726862
Why are you comparing English to Japanese retard? They are completely different langauges.

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>>738725215
I'm almost 30 and low IQ. There's no chance in hell I could learn Japanese.

>>738726792
dude check this out 𱁬

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>>738726585
I've flown to china, south korea and japan without speaking a word of their languages and I managed to get by without shitting myself.

>>738726792
>Americans cant learn kanji but have every brand logo memorized

>>738725215
Thanks doc

>>738726964
Both of them take memorizing each word to understand how it's pronounced.

>>738726993
You don't need IQ, you just need the discipline to go at it every day.

>>738725215
Already did. Imagine relying on trannylators on this current day and age. Even MTLs are better.
>>738725380
>>738725471
Skill issue
>>738725627
Is this a bait or are you just that lazy? Journey to N5 should be much faster. It gets a lot slower from N3 forward.

>>738725995
https://learnjapanese.moe/routine/

>>738726993
You can do it anon, low iq have nothing to do with learning languages .

>>738726964
English, where the alphabet does not represent how it's pronounced so you just have to memorize retarded spellings, yeah why would he do that?

>>738725215
>you must learn non-latin language because "tranny game for incel weeb autistic retards"
yeah no thanks

>>738727040
But if you become fluent enough in english pronounciation you can safely guess how a word is pronounced by reading it. In Japanese if you see a word with a kanji you never seen before you can't know how to pronounce it unless you pull up a dictionary.

>>738725215
On it, but gonna have to live in niplnland for at least a year to start getting things. This is suffering

>>738727180
Gtfo with English, it's shit and always will. At least JP has kana

>>738726993
you can do it anon
i believe in you

>>738727180
There are no English words that can prepare you to understand how "Colonel" is pronounced

>>738727180
You're literally describing every language.

>>738727180
kanji that you are less likely to see often tend to have the same or similar reading to other kanji that it shares parts with
or they will be written with furigana telling you the reading because japanese people can't always read them either

>>738727180
Cough, tough, trough, through,
Drew, flew, knew, but sew
Ghoul, foul, soul
Lumber, plumber
Shoe, toe
Yeah sure

Stick to English guys, i swear the more Japanese you learn the crazier and harder it gets, it’s like the more you learn the less you know.

Also most of Japanese online teachers like youtubers..etc are scammers and liars and it already have been exposed.

>>738727180
https://files.catbox.moe/hwjb5y.webm

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>>738727072
>>738727103
Bros you don't need to cope for me.... I mean you don't technically NEED IQ but with low IQ your speed of learning is so low there's no point. I could barely manage 5 new cards a day meanwhile high IQ niggas are doing 50-100 new cards a day not to mention all the grammar and shit

>>738727541
I'm on N5 PLEASE HELP

>>738727279
Spanish is very consistent regarding correlation between written words and sounds... which also creates it's own set of problems ironically

>>738725215
やめろおおお

>>738727582
Thanks

>>738727615
STOP now! Even Genki books and Anki are bullshit.

>>738726242
>>738726318
AI translation is very good, however editing is needed as always.

>>738727689
Why are you being so political?

>>738725995
Check out cure dolly on youtube for grammar and use 2k anki deck thats all you need. After 2k you can start mining.

>>738727582
Are all other languages like this too?

>>738727757
>AI translation is good you just need an actual translator to still do 90% of the work
kek

I'm a self respecting white man so I won't.

>>738727615
That's okay most people don't speak above N3 in daily conversation, you'll make it

>>738727615
cool sounds like its time for you to start reading
manga is fine but if you are strong enough then you can jump right into books

>>738727861
Games and literature contain tons of obscure words. Good luck reading them with N3 level.

>>738727813
More like you only need some prompt monkey to paste it in lmao

The percentage of foreigners in Japan is low, like 3% of the population are gaijin and not all of them know Japanese.

>>738727689
Is that the japanese for "end fascism"?

>>738727813
Wrong, an editor needs to English fluently, no other language is needed.

>>738727792
No. Japanese is phonetically consistent with kana for example but kanji has different readings.

>>738727585
most people who do that many new cards a day are not actually learning them and end up getting swamped once the reviews come back to bite them

>>738728004
Thats fine for a rewrite not an actual translation.

>>738727987
so just look them up in your J-J dictionary

>>738727784
>Mine word I see once
>Review it dozens and dozens of times
>Never see the word ever again
What a waste of time

>>738728138
>just use Japanese you don't understand to learn Japanese you don't understand
Genius, anon.

>>738727987
That's really not that big of an issue with modern setups you can OCR and look up a word in 2 seconds. And a lot of the words used will repeat so you'll pick them up eventually anyway

>>738728138
Then you'll be looking at dictionary a lot. That won't be fun. You need a lot more than just N3 level of words to have an enjoyable time. I've been there.

>>738727861
>>738727861
ありがとうがんばるね!

>>738728108
The editor can paste the original bits that need rework into a LLM and see the thoughts of why it was translated like that, its actually far better than trying to talk to a new translator who can't explain shit.

>>738728108
The "translator" overseeing an AI translation would comparatively need a much lower level of skill to do the same job, though the AI can theoretically also explain nuance and idiom to a non-speaker.

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>>738727932
>actually telling someone to start reading at N5

>>738727932
Thanks anon I will. Also AI has been absurdly helpful

>>738728289
> look up a word in 2 seconds
Meanwhile the word appears for 0.4 seconds and if you do anything you miss on everything that comes next

>>738728438
Name one game that does this

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The dragonbaby were so incompetent they didn't just add woke shit and zoomer slang there. They literally fucked up ids/keys and swapped some lines around. If you are playing with official translation you not only get subpar experience, but some dialogues will just not make any sense. This is only an issue with english translations, all other languages seem fine.

>>738728295
personally i enjoyed powering through light novels at the sonic speed of one page per hour

>>738728498
Anything with cutscenes that you can't pause

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>>738725215

>>738728520
>all other languages seem fine
You don't speak Spanish otherwise you would notice how trash is the translation

>>738725995
>is it the usual stuff that gets linked from /jp/
/jp/ is just shitposting and bullshit.
Go to >>>/int/djt

>>738725471
That's wrong on many levels.
If you start it as an adult you can learn faster than a baby because you can leverage your intelligence to use more efficient methods than bruteforce. You just need time and motivation.

>>738728572
Hmm doesn't seem like there's a game called that.

>>738728412
Reading starts at level N5 yes.

>>738728520
to be fair ive seen actually competent translation houses make some bad switcheroos with the keys before

>>738725471
Learning a language as a baby is way harder

>>738728715
>If you start it as an adult you can learn faster than a baby because you can leverage your intelligence to use more efficient methods than bruteforce. You just need time and motivation.
nah i learnt english naturally through the family computer and the internet as a young teen and compared to trying to learn japanese now as an adult it's night and day. shit was 10x easier and faster back then

>>738728850
>Baby = young teen
Ok pedo

>>738728715
>>738728794
yeah its so hard that every single baby ends up speaking their mother tongue

>>738728905
kek

>>738728850
That's because Japanese is further from English that whatever language you were coming from.
Guarantee you you'd be struggling with Japanese as a young teen just as much as today.

>>738728973
How many polyglot babies do you know

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>>738728973
*BTFOS* you

>>738729037
slavshit languages are pretty damn different from english its not as big of a difference as japanese but the gap isn't so massive that english would be 10x easier just because of that

>>738729037
My asiatic language is closer to Japanese than it is to English and learning Japanese as an adult was way harder than learning English as a child.

>>738726993
>>738728850
I started learning Japanese at my 30th birthday, and now ~9 months in I am N5.
This is actually my second attempt. First was when I was ~18yo and I was filtered by kana so hard I gave up after 3 weeks. I thought I am total ngmi and now after 10 years of smoking weed daily my brain will definitely not hold on any new knowledge. And despite all that, just because I was bored and decided to give it another try, I just did it and it worked. I just had to find different method than writing down kana which was what everyone recommended to me, and I managed to learn it in like 2 weeks. And then it all just clicked from there. A grammar book, anki for words, trying to read some stuff online or watch videos in Japanese. Now I'm looking into some simple manga or VN to start with immersion.
You can do it.

>i learnt english naturally
>compared to trying to learn japanese now as an adult it's night and day
That's because your original language is mostly likely much more similar to English than to Japanese. With Japanese you need to learn a fundamentally different way of composing words and sentences, on top of all the kana and kanji autism which is completely alien to western people.

>>738727256
Colon

>>738727279
Not really, a lot of languages have near phonetic spelling

>>738729324
>I managed to learn it in like 2 weeks
Kana take 2 hours to learn, though.

>>738729215
>>738729319
Your "slavshit" and "asiatic" languages don't have an extremely complicated logosyllabic writing system.

>>738729440
Cool story

>>738729440
Takes a tad longer than that.

>>738729373
>koe lin
versus
>kurr null

>>738729465
>Extremely complicated
Nigga it's just 2200 characters, many with multiple pronunciations, how is that any complicated. You're just being a drama queen

>>738729589
True, true. Thankfully it's just 2200 *encounters jinmeyou* characters. How hard could it *author uses hyougaiji* b-ACK

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>>738729465
And Japanese doesn't have extremly complicated conjugation.
Still, English is closer to this than japanese imo.

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>>738729324
Good work Anon
Keep at it

>>738729836
How's that different from authors using rare English words

>>738725215
Literally impossible if you work more than 40 hours/week

You will never learn Japanese, even if you are N1.

>>738730051
>if you work more than 40 hours/week
why even live at that point

>>738730051
Nobody but poorfags work that much and if you're such a poorfag why are you even learning japanese

I'm incapable of learning any other languages thoughbeit

>>738729849
what the FUCK

>>738725215
>This localization is based!
Okay, but why? You DO understand the differense , between an localization and an translation , right ?
>Is bad because ... it just is !
Well , o.k. then .

>>738728973
It's not hard to learn any language if you can afford to spend several years doing nothing but listening 24/7 to two people who keep saying simple stuff to you.

>>738729849
Reminds me of attic greek

>>738730552
Are you crazy?

>>738730619
How do you think babies learn their language? They can't use Anki.

>>738729849
True, its conjugations are easy, but a lack of prepositional phrases paired with high-context, almost backwards sentence structure makes for a very hard to understand language.

>>738730538
Translation is the umbrella term. Localization exists within translation, as a tool to better get across the meaning/intended experience.
>Is bad because
Read the patch notes

>>738730051
There are 168 hours a week. Say you sleep 7 hours a day, for an additional 49 hours along with work. You still have 79 hours to learn Japanese every week.

>>738730023
You can at least attempt to read those "rare English words," since they're spelled phonetically. Pre-OCR and AI boom, looking up kanji was a nightmare.

>>738730654
Really fucking slowly. Babies are retarded.

Is the game playable in english yet?

>>738730073
Post N1 score.

>>738730819
I mean being able to sound out jeremiad won't magically tell you what the fuck it means

>>738730538
Yup.
Translation: [JP word] > [English word]
Localization: [JP word] > "End fascism"

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>>738725471
Good thing I'm a manbaby

>>738730853
Yet they learn Japanese faster than average JSL

>>738730880
It's always been playable if you have no standards.

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>>738726792
The kanji consist of a fairly small amount of radicals. Still more letters than English, but nowhere near as much as you might think.

>>738728973
their hours invested dwarf any autodidactic language learners and it doesnt even come close.
you have a cargo cult level understanding of how learning languages works.

>>738731036
They don't "invest" hours into learning language. They don't even think about it. They just learn it naturally and effortlessly.
t. language teacher

>>738730980
It takes first grade JP children a year to learn 80 kanji and 2nd graders a year for the next 160. After that is 200 300 per year. I know like 100 already and I've just been drawing kanji in my free time and doing Anki. I've been learning Japanese for like 3 months.

>>738731108
because they are forced to be exposed to it at all times, retard.
teachers keep confirming that they are the biggest morons.

>>738730783
>what is eating shitting, etc etc
Lemme break it down
>8 hours of sleep
>10 hours of work
>2 hours of commute
>1 hour of eating and shitting
>1 hour of chores
>2 hours of spending time with the missus
Workdays are already gone
>8 hours of sleep
>4 hours of chores
>4 hours of taking the missus out
>1 hour of eating and shitting
>2 hours of socializing
So that leaves 4 hours on Sunday. That's it for the whole week.

>>738725215
but i am

>>738730952
It offers etymological clues, unlike most of the rare words you encounter in Japanese. For instance, if I see "jeremiad," my first thought goes to the name Jeremiah. If the context is talking about a literary work being "jeremiad," then I'll know it's related to the prophet who wrote the longest book in the bible about the destruction of Israel.

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>>738725995
This game solved the early grind, literally just play this game 15 mins a day. Teaches you hiragana, katakana, a few hundred kanji, grammar, vocabulary, verb and adj conjugation, etc all with really good exercises and conversation practice. If you dont like it just go through a genki book and make flash cards or something
>>738726993
You and I are the same age bro theres people older than us and dumber than us who have been able to learn new languages. We can do it

>>738731250
you mean like kanji radicals

>>738731193
How does that counter what i just said idiot? They don't "learn" it in the same way that adults do. You can't even compare it. Its called language acquisition and its an unconscious process.

>>738731250
I mean that's cool and all but you still won't know what the fuck it actually means without looking it up

>>738730956
>[JP word] > [English word]
The issue with this is that language too complicated to just swap around words. That will alter the meaning. That doesn't mean you have a carte blance to do
>[JP word] > "End fascism"
There's a reasonable middle-ground that people who are bad at their jobs want to pretend doesn't exist.

>>738729849
bullshit image, some of these aren't even used or are gramatically correct

>>738731306
The radicals aren't like letters, though. Knowing the radical system often won't give you insight on the pronunciation or etymology.

>>738731378
>Knowing the radical system often won't give you insight on the pronunciation or etymology.

>>738730221
Because OP told me to.
>>738730783
I usually work around 60 hours a week, last week I worked more than 100 hours though.

>>738731372
>The issue with this is that language too complicated to just swap around words
It's not. Swapping words is exactly how you translate, save for idioms which may require phrase-for-phrase translation.

>>738731450
So at the very least, you still have 10 hours a week to learn Japanese, which is more than enough

>>738730515
To be honest, even native poles use wrong conjugations every now and then, especially when drunk, tired or stupid. Some mistakes are so prevalent they eventually got included in the official language.

>>738730980
Not if you consider the amount of hours spent learning it(including immersion).

here are the JLPT exams

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1LBMkmeL9OuTzuSf043Mtw_Y2vvVx5LML

>>738731432
Yes, that's what I said. The radical system was created for indexing kanji in a dictionary. It's not an alphabet. At best, it's a writing aid.

>>738731321
>They don't "learn" it in the same way that adults do
Yeah. Because adults can use their intelligence and knowledge to learn it in much more productive way than spending thousands of hours bruteforcing it via exposure.

>>738731487
I dunno I feel like considering a baby overhearing it's parents talk while it eats as active learning hours is a bit disingenuous

>>738731376
Which one?

>>738731593
That's exactly how its learning, though.

>>738731485
>just don't have any other hobbies bro
Nah, fuck that shit

>>738731593
That's literally immersion.

>>738731321
yeah man if I were to put an adult into the same environment he would totally not outpace the babby.

>>738731661
>>738731693
Okay if merely being exposed to the language is learning then every anime watcher has thousands of hours of "learning" Japanese under their belts. And most of them know less Japanese than a Japanese kindergartner

>>738731568
Yet babies learn it effortlessly, unlike adults. Contrary to what you claim as them tryharding for thousands hours. Unlike adults, they will perfect the language. With adults there will always be mistakes, whether it be pronunciation or grammar because they keep thinking in their first language. Look up critical period hypothesis.

>>738731824
None of those hours are actual exposure. There is no attempt to comprehend the babbling by the viewer, they read subtitles instead.

>>738731824
The anime watcher is actively tuning out the Japanese by reading the subtitles. The baby is, in fact, learning by listening as that's the only language it can begin to understand.

>>738731939
>>738731968
>noooo doesn't count
I accept your concession

>>738731862
That hypothesis is literal gibberish written by retards.

Nothing is stopping adults becoming fluent. The reason they generally don't become fluent is because you reach a point at which you are functionally understood and can understand, and you stop improving. Kids get corrected, nobody corrects the 50 year old guy telling them that he feels like going sleepy now.

>>738732023
The anime watcher is simply not forced to engage with the language. He can treat it like babble, whereas the baby has only the Japanese to contend with.

>>738732064
they also do not immerse themselves in the same environment.
russian migrant fucktard at work keeps watching shitty russian videos instead of working when I advised him to watch local language media or at least put up subtitles to passively absorb it better.

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>>738731862
>Yet babies learn it effortlessly, unlike adults.
see this, THIS is what gets me man
when i was learning english it just came naturally with little to no active effort. i didn't have to do fucking flashcards. i didn't have to read fucking grammar books. i didn't have to look up motherfucking pitch accents. it just happened naturally and most importantly it was FUN
as an adult you have to actively fight for every single tiny gain. that natural effortless learning is gone, replaced by tedious hammering through grueling, active repetition that makes watching paint dry seem enjoyable

>>738725450
is that true or are you just fucking around

>>738725215
今私は学生の日本語です
嫌い漢字

i played Advanged VG 2 recently, it's not translated. im not really studying japanese or anything but most of the dialogue was voiced and generic anime speech so i think i understood most of it
any other JP only games that i can mostly understand with very basic japanese skills?

>>738732297
100% true. You can check the credits. All non-Asian translations were handled in-house with a single Japanese supervisor.

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>>738732347
you did do that on purpose right

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>>738732219
>>738731862
this is all a lie. Babies are subject to the language 24/7 from their parents and everything around them. And they still take multiple years until they speak properly (not just mamma pappa)

>>738732347
こんにちは日本語。こっちはたかし。頑張ってください。

I don’t know if I’ll ever get fluent but I enjoy slowly going through my vidya in japanese with a dictionary
I’ve been playing Battle Network 4 lately

>>738732591
i really hope you're not looking shit up manually anon there are better ways now

>>738732401
I doubt you understood any of it. Here's a random line from the game. Tell me what you think she's saying.
https://voca.ro/16e0xG3p4QKh

>>738732591
yomininja 0.93 is your friend

>>738725380
>>738725471
there is no one (1) single reason to learn Japanese, if you need to do business English is more than enough, or you can learn Mandarin if you need to so extra business.

>>738729324
but why?

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>>738732723
imagine being so thoroughly JEW'd that the only reason you can think of for doing anything is shekels

>>738725215
I am learning Japanese. I will not stop talking about the atrocious fucking job vandal - I mean "localizers" are doing

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>>738732219
>i didn't have to read fucking grammar books.
If you had you would start your sentences with capital letters and end them with full stops.

>>738725215
tranny coded "game"

>>738731629
grajcież
grajmyż
grana, as in "gra była grana", a game was played, nobody talks like that
grani, graniach, graniami, graniom, grań means literall "a ridge", nobody uses it in context of games
niegrań
niegraniom
niegraniami

all these are not used by any normal person, they are(?) technically gramatically correct but it's bullshit, language noone uses

also this whole chart is misleading, it's like "look how much conjugation there is!" but in reality you can easily do shit like switching between male/female form or whatever if you know some basic rules, like
grałem > grałam
spałem > spałam
śpiewałem > śpiewałam
and so on

>>738731824
You will also start to pick up Japanese if you spent thousands of hours watching anime with no subtitles where they baby talk simple stuff to you and react every time you succeed in saying mama and papa.

>>738731862
>Yet babies learn it effortlessly
They literally invest dozens of thousands of hours of their time to accomplish this.

>Just finished learning hiragana guys, now let me tell you how Japanese is.

>>738725215
It's impressive how they permanently killed all the western discussion about the game the same day it released.

>>738732698
i dont actually know japanese man, it's easier to guess what's going on with the context of the game and the cutscenes
i guess she's saying something like "the takeuchi yuka i know wouldnt do this. why/what happened?"

>>738732778
Because I want to play untranslated games, understand untranslated songs and ultimately, write some Japanese lyrics myself for my wife to sing.

>>738732439
https://mantra.co.jp/en

Man, this is kinda disappointing ngl

I guess still better than getting some shitty ai fan translation

>>738733157
>>738732698
what does she actually say i'm curious

>>738732439
I bet they regret not doing this with English aswell now.

>>738732698
>a skill of this level, takeuchi yuuka i know, easily [something]. why? why do you say this?
i think. i'm not very good

>>738728520
I speak two languages other than English in this picture and god damn EN is some real fanfic shit. I don't speak JP but the other two languages seem to more or less match up with each other

>>738733291
>この程度の技。。私の知ってるたけいちゆうかなら簡単に*にきってい*のは。なぜ?なぜなのいうか?
I am not sure what she is actually saying between asterisks but thats what i'm hearing.

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I'm trying to learn french so I can live in luxembourg

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>>738733157
Like I thought, you missed most of it.
>>738733291
>>738733542
>The Yuka Takeuchi I know would've easily seen a move like that coming. Why? Why didn't you, Yuka?

>>738732795
A lot of people legitimately don't have souls. Don't feel bad for them, they weren't alive to begin with.

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>>738727081
I've read the part about just raw listening without subtitles on this site before and it does help. I've crutched on reading subs for stuff for a long time and forcing my brain to actually listen to the words properly helps a lot. I started just listening to random vtubers in the background while at work to just keep myself listening to the language.

>>738725215
I'd rather cut my uterus out!

>>738733727
oh right that scene. yeah i figured that much while playing the game, as i said the context and the visuals help

いいえ。「使った例文を教えて下さい。」
>>738732543 #
どうぞよろしく, たかしさん。すみません!

>>738733727
Thanks
Man reading is so much easier than listening

>>738733589
>luxembourg
Might as well learn Hindi or urdu instead

>>738732723
nigger you don't even know english
commas don't work like that

>>738733780
>listening to jap the background
that doesn't really work, does it

How do i git gud at rhytm games

>>738733872
why would you say that anon-dono?

>>738733843
I mean, it's *technically* the harder of the two skills, but it allows you to visualize and disambiguate the things you're both hearing and also might never have seen.

>>738733727
fucking hell i was so far off

>>738733950
Definitely not harder for Japanese with Kanji. It feels harder because people focus on reading much more than listening.

>>738733057
>grajcież
>grajmyż
https://sjp.pl/grajcie%C5%BC
https://sjp.pl/grajmy%C5%BC
These are archaic plural imperative forms for 3rd person and 1st person. You can find them in books.

>grana, as in "gra była grana", a game was played, nobody talks like that
Most of the time you use that in perfective mood, but this is also a valid form.

>grani, graniach, graniami, graniom, grań means literall "a ridge", nobody uses it in context of games
https://sjp.pl/grani
For example: "Oni są grani przez tych samych aktorów".

>you can easily do shit like switching between male/female form or whatever if you know some basic rules
The point is that there is a lot more rules about that than in Japaanese.

>>738734048
Yes, exactly.

>>738733932
It's a tiny bit of extra immersion it won't make much of a difference and you definitely can't learn just from that but it's better than nothing

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>>738733475
That's because the EN translation is mismatched. It was supposed to go here I think.

>>738733932
It definitely helped me to get used to the speed at which normal people talk. It's a lot faster than compared to an audiobook and if you're learning you can pick up on how words are used casually.
Just make sure you don't completely zone it out to background noise.

Is this rate of demoralization posts also present in learn to code and learn to draw threads?

mtl tools are already advanced enough to translate simple stuff to the point of being 95% accurate in 5-10 years it will be even better.

>>738734082
did you miss when i said nobody normal uses those in regular spoken language?
>The point is that there is a lot more rules about that than in Japanese.
i will argue the rules are easier to understand for a westerner. tell you what, tell me what do those 2 words mean, separately, in polish
>każdy
>dzień
now put them next to eachother?
>każdy dzień
makes sense? now do the same in japanese, tell me what these two kanji mean and how would you speak pronounce them out loud
>今
>日
and now put them together, tell me what it means and how to pronounce it

>>738734374
yeah probably much worse actually

>>738734374
Yes, crabs are everywhere. No matter what you try to do crabs will try to drag you down

>>738734378
It's closer to 98-99% accurate on even advanced stuff.

>>738725471
children take like 10 years to learn how to speak like an adult can, arguably up to 18 years in some cases. you can learn a language in like 2 years. yeah you won't be as fluent as a native speaker but they've got so many years on you that expecting otherwise would be silly. i don't get where this "only children can learn a language" meme comes from, it's totally backwards.

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>>738734419
>did you miss when i said nobody normal uses those in regular spoken language?
Why does that matter if they are valid forms and you can find them in books or in specific regions? "grajmyż" is especially common, my friend would often speak "no grajmyż już" for example.
Anyway you claimed that they are incorrect, but that's just plain wrong. Just check a dictionary.

>i will argue the rules are easier to understand for a westerner. tell you what, tell me what do those 2 words mean, separately, in polish
Japanese rules are not difficult either. The point is that there is so much less of them.

>>każdy
>>dzień
>now put them next to eachother?
>>każdy dzień
>makes sense? now do the same in japanese, tell me what these two kanji mean and how would you speak pronounce them out loud
>>今
>>日
>and now put them together, tell me what it means and how to pronounce it
That's not conjugation.

>>738731520
>problem 1
2, 4, 1, 2, 2, 3, 1, 2, 2, 3
did i get it right?

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>open japanese thread
>two anons arguing about polish
kek i love /v/ sometimes

>>738725215
You overestimate me

>>738734709
>Why does that matter if they are valid forms and you can find them in books or in specific regions?
because the dude that put them there did so to show people how supposedly terribly complex the language is, while ommmiting the fact that some of those aren't even used by normal people. it's like those people who say "dude japanese is impossible to learn, they have 20 thousand letters!", which is obvious bullshit
>Anyway you claimed that they are incorrect
i sais nobody normal uses them, are you daft?
>That's not conjugation.
whatever nigger, answer the question

>>738733092
>western
Not everyone is american, retard

>>738734994
Those places are not relevant at all though?

>>738734905
>because the dude that put them there did so to show people how supposedly terribly complex the language is
Polish conjugation is one of the hardest in the world.

>i sais nobody normal uses them, are you daft?
>>738731376
>some of these aren't even used or are gramatically correct

>>738735020
Those places are making the only good vidya out there

>>738725215
>learn Japanese
>for a rhythm game
Lmao
I played original Taiko no Tatsujin games and untranslated pop'n music releases since I was 12 and never felt the need for it
get to my level scrub

>>738735104
okay
and then i said nobody normal uses them. which i have been saying in every post. nobody uses them. they are gramatically correct, but nobody uses them
>Polish conjugation is one of the hardest in the world.
sure. how does this refute my point? also
>still doesn't answer my question

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>>738735186
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>>738725471
スキル問題

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>>738725215
You WILL play real rhythm games.

>>738725215
I'm surprised there isn't a program you can run while playing a game that uses AI to translate text

>>738731520
Thanks for sharing, would be nice if it was on mega so it didnt need a google account to access

>>738735201
>Taiko
Sideways rhythm games like Taiko and Muse Dash just don't work with my brain compared to regular top down rhythm games. I really should try to learn how to play properly but it's super hard trying to get used to them

>>738735504
There were MTL translations released for this game like 3 days after release.

>>738735292
I accept your concession

>>738735601
NTA, and I enjoy rythm games, even the ones that diverge from top down falling notes like OSU or ADOFAI, but I always sucked balls in Taiko. Idk what is it about it, but it never clicked for me. I always struggle hard and not enjoy it at all.

>>738735504
you can just use yomininja or some other grabber

Seeing a sentence full of words you don’t know feels bad, but it’s even worse when you know all of the words but still don’t know what the sentence means

>>738725215
Why did they plagerize henya/pikamee?

>>738725215
I don't need to learn Japanese to jerk off

>>738726158
Sorry anon, you're NGMI

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>>738728707
Are we talking about the Latin American or Spain Spanish translation?

>>738736109
>but it’s even worse when you know all of the words but still don’t know what the sentence means
IKTF

>>738731520
There used to be a site that had exams from past years that you could take, was it shut down?

>>738736245
Who

so is the game actually a good rhythm game

>>738738526
rhythm game?

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>>738736109
I don't mind the compound characters in hirigana, but the subscript ゃ/ゅ/ょs are barley smaller to the point where my brain doesn't even detect it. Is this normal?
けや
けゃ

>>738727180
you can guess how most kanji are pronouned via their radical components
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfAjdBj-p8U

>>738739386
*にゃ

>>738739386
Wait until you get to シツンソリノ人入.
You will get used to it anyway.
Also consider using djt kana game instead of duolingo. Duolingo is not that bad but kana game is just so much faster without all the stupid animations.
https://web.archive.org/web/20220326112101/https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/learn/kana.html
Also my modified version that repeats most often mistaken symbols and automatically introduces new symbols as your mistakes drop: https://kanji.funmaker.moe/kana
I would recommend against using duolingo after learning kana. It's really shitty app and makes you barely learn anything. Check out /djt/ for better resources.

>>738728412
you should start reading right away and build your vocab from it. don't try to absorb contextless words from some premade deck

>>738739386
A lot of the times in manga I feel like you just have to infer that the kana are smaller just from context because there’s barely a size difference

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>>738725215
Imagine the paizuri...

>>738740040
Thank you. Someone in /djt/ recced it and I've been using that kana game to good effect, haven't touched much else of it though. I got a cracked Duolingo, let's me play as long as I want, but I will explore your links more, especially your recced fine tune. すみません!

>>738740623
Even cracked duolingo(you don't even need to crack it. Just make a classroom and get infinite hearts) is pretty bad choice. It's just much more efficient if you use something like Anki and pair it with some grammar book/videos.

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>>738740040
If you wanna play the original you can use https://djtguide.neocities.org/kana/ instead of the archive.
Also for シツンソ what helped me out a lot is paying attention to which ends of the lines are in a horizontal line (mostly)

>>738729324
>~9 months in I am N5
That's impossible, N5 takes way longer. What are you doing?

>>738731297
My problem is that I already know stuff and all this learning from 0 resources are boring as hell till I get to my level. I'm doomed

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>>738740231
>私は。。。
>nice i got- FUCK what is this next word?
>looks it up
>alright nex-
>shit i don't know this one either
>okay と i know- wait what the fuck is this grammar point
>30 minutes later, still in chapter 1
yeah great plan
>inb4 just read read shit for toddlers
those are less fun AND less effective than grinding anki

>>738740939
I just think of them as faces and remember シ and ン are looking up and ツ and ソ are looking down.

>>738732347
This is wrong isn't it? Or am I retarded? Nigongo no gakusei should be the right order?

>>738741191
you have start somewhere. the beginning sucks no matter what you do, but the guy learning words with context will outpace the ankidrone every time, even if the drone has a much higher iq

>形容動詞 means "adjective verb"
>They're nouns
WHY JAPANESE PEOPLE

>>738741250
My brain can't parse it that way, maybe it's faceblindness

>>738740778
ah, I see. fair enough.
hey, regarding your modified version, I'm trying it out now and it will call capital roman letters incorrect, only lowercase is considered correct although the other version would allow capitals. Would be awesome if you could fix that, though not impossible for my phone's keyboard as I could disable auto-capitals. But figured it would be constructive cristism. Otherwise, it's based so far! Thanks again.

>>738741423
>you have start somewhere
yeah, anki and genki.

>>738725215
Unironically this game is not that hard to understand in jap if you have already a N3 level
Most of the lingo you need to understand it is mid 2000s net lingo and 2ch memes
if you are on your early 30s and have been here (or on 2ch) since you were on your teens you can understand this game

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>>738741547
>Japanese is easy to understand if you know Japanese
Any more groundbreaking insight, Cpt. Obvious?

>>738741663
Not that anon, but N3 is not knowing Japanese. You'd just barely struggle to understand anime aimed at kids with that level and even a lot of Shounen anime would just be white noise to you

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>>738741532
some people have to learn the hard way

>>738741746
(You)

>>738741832
He is right thoughever

>>738741663

I didn't say that
I said that a basic, BASIC, conversational level of japanese (N3) + knoledge of memes and anime from the 2000s is enough.
All the hard words on this game is over the top complex jap lingo that was made to be over the top complex because they were stupid easy things to explain and the nerds wanted to be special

Like 絶対領域 you know what this means, even if you have never ever seen these kanji together or know what they mean on their own, because their ACTUAL meaning means jack shit to the meme meaning and that is the meaning this game is using

Im too old

>>738741992
you'll be lost if you don't know a bunch of political vocab

>>738733924
I'm pretty sure you need to capitalize the word English and you must put a comma after the word nigger, you dumb nigger.

>>738741389
the other guy called me out for it, I think you're right. The only times I've truly used の like that is attributing possession to someone's belongings.
>私の靴
so I struggle to consider the proper possessor-possessed relationship properly.

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>>738742134
You're just too lazy

djt says you cant learn japanese if youre over 25 and/or below 110 iq
sorry bros

>>738727180
No you cannot
You think you do because you are either a native english speaker or you are an ESL that has been exposed to english for so long that you start to intuit how the stupid spelling of this language works.
Hell even American and British kids have difficulty with non common words, some can't even read "oversimplified" correctly and it is not even a hard work, the whole GH bullshit that english has also confuses ELS and younger/dumber native kids too

>>738741389
yes it's fucked up
the second part is in the wrong order two

>>738742276
No one at /jp/djt/ knows Japanese. Its just a glorified chatroom for N4kuns. /int/ one is decent tho

>>738741389
Yes it is, japan uses the same Adjective - Subject interactions as english. a native english speaker would not do that mistake, must be some one from some other language where the interaction is reversed like Portuguese or Spanish

>>738741832
N3 is
>600 kanji
>3.5-4k words
>just enough grammar to begin to understand native content, although you're still missing a bunch of common expressions
It's just about enough to begin immersing provided you accept that you'll have your nose in the dictionary for pretty much anything you decide to watch/read. I didn't feel comfortable even reading an "easy" Visual Novel until I had at least studied triple that amount of kanji

>>738725215
Very nice aesthetic, too bad the gameplay looks irredeemably shit and I don't speak nip nor read moon runes, so I have no incentive to buy it.

>Been leaning 日本語 since I was 17
>Currently 30
>went on and off on studying it for half of my life
>Stuck on N3 and speaking like a little kid (can't pass N2 at all)
>every guide online I try is either too easy and I get dismotivated or harder than my level and it becomes too hard or noise

I think I have autism and can't crack this without forcing muyself to just speak this damn language
I have a flight booked anyway, so either I starve there or just crutch hard on people knowing a bit of english, either way I think I will have fun on my vacation