>This bill is based on false premise: that consumers "own" digital games with permanent access
OOOYYYYYYYY VEY

There already is less games, higher costs, and less innovation already, tho
Where was that attitude in 2003?

>>738751425
>Where was that attitude in 2003?
jew hands did not touch vidya yet

>>738751226
Why do zoomers care about this so fucking much?

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>Ownership of games is antisemitic now
Hitler was right the entire time.

>>738751226
Chudbros...why is California agreeing with us? I thought we hated Stop Killing Games? Aren't we a Pirate Software board?

>>738751226
>if buying isn't owning, then piracy isn't stealing
Just stop buying games... oh excuse me, stop buying ""licenses""

>>738751226
that seems like a lot of excuses to try and claim why they shouldn't have to provide you what you paid for over long term

>>738751226
This reads like a fake document.

>>738751378
BERG WITZ BAUM STEIN
EVERY
SINGLE
FUCKING
TIME

>>738751226
>less games
There's already too many games for a single person to play in a lifetime, who cares?
>higher costs
Games are already costing $70 and going higher, who cares?
>less innovation
Nobody has made an actually "innovative" game in years because they all keep chasing the same trendy shit even harder than ever before, who cares?

I simply don't believe you want to keep playing The Crew. Therefore I don't support new pointless restrictions. Simple as.

>>738751585
It's probably Thor being the salty bitch he is

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If this document is real, then fuck the ESA; if it isn't, get fucked OP.

The subversion theory with politicians in the EU supporting SKG, is that they will fill any legislation with pork, Patriot Act style.

Multiplayer games have to "keep the game alive", meaning only the big jew players will have the option to implement these measures into game development. Indie and small devs won't even bother trying, so jews will monopolize everything with their Ubisoft, too big to fail studios.

>>738751378
>>738751884
You guys defend when Valve does this tho

>>738751226
>Americans
These ESA faggots don't represent us.

YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE SERVER TOOLS YOU HAD 25 YEARS AGO
YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO ENJOY OLD GAMES

>>738751585
I don't know how or why but I've noticed a massive amount of people in general slobbing corporate knob so hard that they genuinely believe they want to be slaves who own nothing and still are not happy. I geel like social media has gotten everyone addicted to being in constant despair and dragging everyone else down with them. Maybe misery really does love company?

>>738752119
>I don't know how or why but I've noticed a massive amount of people in general slobbing corporate knob so hard that they genuinely believe they want to be slaves who own nothing and still are not happy.
/v/ does this with Valve

>>738752045
I have been saying time and time again that game companies, and social media sites at it, shouldn't be able to permanently ban you for no reason whatsoever, and in case of game companies, to effectively steal your hard earned money, same shit with briking whole consoles for saying a no no word like "looking for group".

>>738751226
>That's not how software works
It used to though.
Until handrubbing intesified.

>>738751226
Fact: it takes nothing for you to play a always online game offline
>b-but muh hackeronis
You are playing a single player game
>b-but muh security
You saying that means the game was never secure to begin with
>-THATS FUCKING ANTISEMITIC GOY
It sure it, get the fuck out of gaming.

>>738751378
OH NO NO NO NO NO GAYBENBROS

>>738751226
>>738751378
This is literally the argument /v/trannies use for permabanning access to games because the person said a no-no word though. I thought you all loved the license argument?

>>738751226
>result in less innovation
Unlike patent laws.

>>738751226
At first glance this seems like it might be a good cause, until you do a little more digging and realise:

1. This accomplishes nothing but require more forward facing labels and notices in promotional material about how you can't own service games
2. This movement is backed entirely by individuals who want to revoke ownership rights and see it turned over to the state while also repealing copyrights and capitalism in general

It's a communist movement.

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>>738751650
>Hitler
>Right

>>738751226
>It will limit how developers design modern interactive experiences
I already support it, you don't need to sell me on it further.

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>>738752321
>It's a communist movement.
>It's communist to own your own property

>>738752662
You

Can't

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Service

Games

That's

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SKG

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About

Fucking

Communist

>>738751650
hitler didn't believe in ownership either

>>738752716
It's not "stop killing service games" thoughbeit

>>738751226
>would force publishers to renegotiate for perpetual rights
>requires fixes that are often not technically possible such as offline versions ... and continued support
>full refunds
Anons told me Stop Killing Games does NOT do these things and they've already been considered.

I'm against the state telling game developers they have to do anything - at all. That's commie shit and it's why Europe is poor. BUT I'm also against IP laws - all of them. I'm willing to meet half way. If people pay for a game and can't play it, then either the developer needs to offer refunds for scamming consumers or the community should be free to redistribute the game and host servers themselves. This license thing is Jew shit. They should literally write it into law: "There's no such thing as licensing a game. That's Jew shit."

>>738752018
TF2 on Xbox 360 will work just fine even if Microshart shuts it down because it uses P2P connection.

>>738751939
They mean less innovation in monetization, not gameplay.

>>738752716
then

why

are

they

selling

a

service

as

a

good

?

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post this to scare modern "developers"

>>738751226
>You will own nothing

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>>738753024

>>738751724
>Jon Stewart
>Not a real jew like Trump
Ngmi

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Imagine paying for GaaSlop LMAO, stop killing retards deserve to get their money stolen

>>738753024
You don't want this, games may be hosted by pedophiles, terrorists and worst of all racists, you think they're going to moderate the chat?
You need us to stop little Johnny being radicalized into a chud
Oh sorry is this a red state?
You need us to stop little Johnny being radicalized into a tranny

>>738753192
Sorry you got triggered by your jewish celeb being insulted

>>738752716
then replace the "buy" button with "lease" if that's the case :)

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>>738752586
>>738752760
heh. like a pottery

Ahem:
FUCK THE E.S.A.

gamers are too informed to try this shit on
they got burned way too many times with rug pull bait and switches. they will lose, gamers will win

>falling for AI generated ragebait

>>738753278
>Serving the jew to own the jew is based. What are you, triggered Goyim?
Doesn't work anymore shekelstein.

>>738752716
Games don't need to be services

>>738753452
>no u
Fascinating

>>738753508
>no argument
Still not dying for Israel. You now have my permission to cope and seethe.

>>738752938
They

Aren't

I

Hope

This

Helps

>>738751226
>would force publishers to renegotiate for perpetual rights
>requires fixes that are not technically possible
Bullshit. SKG specifically doesn't apply retroactively. Existing games would not need to be brought into compliance, and new games could take the requirements into account from the early planning stage.

>>738753571
>more no u
Fascinating

>>738753409
They don't need to fool gamers. They need to fool geriatric politicians.

>>738752045
Valve says I own my games. Go on, post the image. It doesn't mean what you think it means

>>738751650
So was Marx. Your point?

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>>738753874
Forgot image.

>>738752716
You

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A

Service

Without

A

Clearly

Defined

End

Point

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>>738751226
>many games rely on online servers and authentication, security and anti-cheat tools and ongoing updates and infrastructure
The point is that WHEN these games functionality end, they should release a patch that effectively make them not required to be always online or in case of multiplayer, let players handle the hosting via p2p or their own servers.
NOBODY told you to forever maintain these yourself, you misdirecting subhuman kike niggers.

>>738753739
Jokes on you, they are gamers too

>>738751226
Based America and Japan. Euros don't tell us what to do, stop playing our slop and make your own.

>>738751650
>frog is completely fucking retarded

>>738754095
Yeah you can. See: The Crew. Stop trying to sound tough when you're just a lying shitbag.

>>738754127
>multiplayer
What's more likely to happens is that even if they do let players host their own servers, they're only gonna do the absolute bare minimum and make the players do all the hard stuff on their own. And very few of these games are actually worth playing to the majority of people (hence why it got shut down in the first place), so even if the companies go "lol okay, do what you want", it's not gonna change a whole lot.

And even some turbo-autist DID do all of the work necessary to make a multiplayer game work, you're still stuck in a sad state where very few people are playing the game (because it's dogshit), so you still have almost no one to play with.

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>>738751226
This is a sound and succinct opinion and every reply to it is hardcore racism and other thought-terminating cliches

Daily reminder that these threads don't exist to help or hinder SKG, they exist to radicalize you.

>it would force publishers to renegotiate for perpetual rights
Why? If someone bought the game when the original license is still valid, it doesn't matter if the license is currently expired or not. It only matters if you continue to sell the game.

i knew most of you were corporate cattle but jesus fucking christ

>>738753935
>THE GUN IS GOOD
>THE PENIS IS EVIL

>>738754557
Sorry, I should have said may. You can do whatever you want.
It's about time the games industry caught up with service laws

>>738754686
radicalizing people against corpos is a good thing though

>>738754686
>they exist to radicalize you.
And that's a problem because...?

>>738754965
This. Total public company death.

>>738754970
>>738754965
>but I love when wealthy monsters hijack my mindless anger to suit their political goals
kill yourselves

>>738754965
Corporations are only slightly more evil than the average person. Call me when you start hating blacks, Jews or liberals.

>>738754949
Thanks for conceding at my request.

>>738751585
They're all Xbox 360 faggots. That piece of shit was only known for its multiplayer slop.

>>738755048
Why would the elite want to make me hate them, exactly?

>>738751585
in general they don't, SKG threads are baby gamergate 2

Out of curiosity, how many people actually give a shit about The Crew? I feel like there were probably better games to use as the posterchild of your movement.

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>instead of suggesting a reasonable alternative they offer nothing

>>738755048
>corpos are good, actually
You first

>>738755157
They don't. They just want gamergate 2.0

>>738755157
objective quality does not matter, it's more about picking the game with the biggest numbers and crew was that game

>>738752018
>Multiplayer games have to "keep the game alive", meaning only the big jew players will have the option to implement these measures
Anon, you do realize that there are plenty of multiplayer games that don't need centralized servers? Including indie games?

>>738755157
If there were we would have used them

>>738753427
where do you think we are? the IQ of 4chan as a whole dropped multiple points around the hack and now its just turd worlders getting mad at nothing and spamming it for (You)s

>>738755215
The Crew had the biggest numbers? But no one other than Scott ever fucking talks about it.

>>738755269
why are you in this thread then, genuis?

>>738751226
Not surprised when a California mayor Eileen Wang was just outed as a Chinese Communist Party agent who manipulated public opinion and lied her way through

>>738755079
Of course if we're separating can and may, I can own whatever I want. Ownership isn't a tangible thing so there's nothing stopping me

>>738755307
The most played games of all time barely get any discussion on the places anons tend to visit.
When's the last time you saw a thread about the gameplay of [yearly sports game]

>>738755157
Me. I had a car waiting for me to drive it up pikes peak and now that opportunity is gone

>>738751226
Fix is simple. If its a temporary licenses outline the specific date ranges the product will be available so that I can make an informed choice. If there is no definitive end date the assumption is that I will have access forever.

>>738752045
Only retarded zoomers do. Any forced 3rd party botnet is a cancer that's killing video games.

>>738751226
>video games are dynamic software systems
lol bullshit
your server software can be reverse engineered by people in the their free time
it's nothing special at all

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There is no way stop killing games can win against billion dollars corporations backed by New World Order.
The case will be dragged for 10+ years. It is already dragged enough so everyone almost forgot about it. Remember how we had non stop daily threads?

>>738755697
people said hell would freeze over before apple adopts usb-c yet here we are

>>738752292
I think we're just fed up with underage edgelords coming here to bitch about their peepee getting slapped because they're incapable of acting like a normal human being in games

>>738755732
wow... we got a worse charging cable...

>>738752045
>>738752268
>the chosen nation is being criticized
>the usual suspects bring up steam out of nowhere
there is only so much nooticing a man can endure in a single day

>>738755447
Have fun in your LARP

>>738752938
they aren't, are you retarded

>>738754095
yes you can, literally every service business does this

>>738755697
political power is actually the one thing money has to fear, because if the wrong people get control of the law, they can take it all away overnight
that's why they spent so much time and effort to control it

>>738752716
then charge a service fee or refund my "purchases" when it gets shut down, lmao

>>738752716
Wait, Ubisoft can't own The Crew? There goes the IP rights argument I guess

>>738751226
>Europe says thing
>USA explodes screaming that Europe is wrong because [babby coddled state of theirs did a Thing] SO THE WHOLE WORLD IS WRONG
Which people would suffer if the united states of America got nuked out of the face of the planet?

>>738756035
they do charge you a service fee

>>738755048
When did I say I don't hate them too?

>>738751226
THE MOLD IS AMERICAN BABAYYY

>>738751585
you think it's zoomers and not boomers and millenials with the billions of dollars being invested instead?
how do you think this is somehow relevant to kids that barely got out of high school? you think they'd be capable of writing this shit even?

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>>738751226
>OY VEY THE CUSTOMERS THINK THEY """OWN""" THINGS

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>>738756040
come at us, then. i dare you

>>738756040
Americans believe they have the prerogative to enslave and exploit everyone, because if they do it, someone else will, and then the USA will be worse off than if they do it first

>>738752716
S a r

M y

S t r e e t

S h i t t e d

>>738756187
the world is our oyster

>>738751226
>harm consumers

>>738756187
>>738756218
>samefag

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>>738756248
legit don't even know why you would think that

>>738754868
lel

>>738756248
>there can't be more than 1 person who like me, waaaaah
lmao

The US is ran by corporations and the citizens suck corporate cock

>>738752045
No, you dumb console nigger. We tell you that you don't own your games either, and that steam isn't the only store that sells licenses. That's what all games stores sell you, regardless of whether your license is inscribed on a piece of plastic or tied to an account.

That's not defending steam, that's stating the obvious reality. Just like Shlomo did in his legal text.

>>738751226
I don't support SKG because dude has a forehead of an egg. Smashing it with hammer might sounds nice.

>>738756356
europe doesn't even have real corporations, just imitations that get crushed the moment they have to fight a real battle

>>738752045
valve is just a store
what needs to change is consumer's rights

>>738751226
>The bill is based on a false premise: that consumers "own" digital games with permanent access.
No, it's based on the fact that live service games are sold as a product and continue to be allowed to do so because the average lawmaker doesn't know anything about video games besides "it's the beep blorps kids play at the arcade".

What I love about Moldman is that he made SKG's arguments airtight and its opponents can do literally nothing but make up blatant falsehoods about it.

>>WE HAD NO IDEA THAT THE GAME COULD POSSIBLY END ITS LIFE CYCLE AT SOME POINT
>Actually it says right here in the EULA that this can happen.
>>BUT I DIDN'T HAVE ACCESS TO THE EULA BEFORE I BOUGHT IT
>Yes you did, it's freely available online. Plus, you have the option to refund if you disagree with the EULA after purchase.
>>B-BUT I CAN'T BE EXPECTED TO READ A CONTRACT BEFORE AGREEING TO IT, WHAT IF IT SAYS THEY CAN KILL ME?
>That's silly, plus this argument is about informed consent. You can't claim that you weren't informed if you agreed to the contract.

Case closed. It's called personal responsibility.

>>738756419
there are just so many higher value fights you could pick

>>738751226
Amerigoys not beating the corpo-slave-cattle allegations...

>>738756356
Still better than your shithole

>>738756460
what about
>the people running SKG are super gay and also tranny
as an argument?

>>738755050
>Corporations are only slightly more evil than the average person.
corporations do a lot more damage to the world and the people than the average person

>>738756540
corporations are made of people

>>738756535
honestly a more cogent position

>>738755916
That's weird. When I see a movie it has the end time on the ticket. When I buy a month of netflix I either have to pay again or get cut off after a month. When I buy 12 hours of parking my car won't get towed within the 12 hours I paid for. Even a restaurant won't force you to leave unless you cause problems

>>738756579
and people are made of cells the fuck

>>738756654
they are free to cut you off before that stated time. you're deluding yourself

>>738756462
Just because you write something in a contract doesn't automatically make it enforceable. Courts invalidate contracts - in whole or in part - all the time.

>>738751226
>games include licensed content....
this is such a poor argument and so dishonest i would vote yes out of spite for insulting my intelligence like that. i wonder if EU boomers will think it makes sense though

>>738755774
there is no normal you stupid fuckin retard there's only cucks and the rules they want others to follow while they watch strangers FUCK THEIR WIFE

>>738756579
Not legally. Corporations are legally considered a person and this means anyone involved in the corporation is safe from all consequences that are not specifically linked to illegal conduct on their part. For vast majority of illegal activity, the corporation as a person is responsible.

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Feels good to buy physical and pirate digital if it's not on GOG. I love owning video games

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>this bill is based on a myth that you actually own the things you purchase

>>738756883
only way to truly own a game is to be able to duplicate it

>>738752045
Valve in practice believes you own your games, they just won't make the legal claim as such as nobody has been able to since like 1995.
You will be hard pressed to find anyone who didn't commit credit card fraud to actually have library access revoked.

>>738754127
>call right wing point Leftist
Why are they like this?

>>738751226
Is this all lobbying is? Sending emails mispresenting an issue you don't like to out of touch politicians?

>>738756883
>Patapon on Switch
I'm starting to wonder why Sony Japan is gutting PlayStation west.

>>738756947
You're a braindead tranny. So you don't even own a pair or shoes?

>>738756984
pretty much yeah, this insanity isn't just about games
don't look up the misinformation ford was spreading about right to repair

>>738757006
>This retard doesn't grasp the concept that you can make a copy of your own shoes

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When I was younger I always thought Americans were some cool cowboys who love god and their family and hate the gubermint and mega corporations trying to steal their property.
Nowadays they call you a terrorist for disagreeing with their pedo goon government, rank #1 on the global bootlicking leaderboards and love getting fucked in the ass by corporations.
What happened?

>>738756984
You also invite them to your pedophile sex island.

>>738757072
Go away corpo nigger. Nobody's buying your D&C

>>738753192
Jonathan Leibowitz is such a jew he doesn't even publicly go by his real name.

>>738757006
shoes aren't digital

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>>738751226
So, would giving the players tools to host their own private servers would be good enough to fulfill the condition?

>>738757115
Neither is your PC or my video games. Tranny.

>>738756984
Well, no. Generous campaign contributions and invitations to exclusive country clubs play a big role as well.

>>738752760
a blatant lie

>>738757138
my video games are digital thoughbeit and they're not reliant on propitiatory hardware to run

>>738757072
>rank #1 on the global bootlicking leaderboards
This is not true. Japan is rank #1 on the global bootlicking leaderboards.
In US even when New World Order is pushing DEI/woke/troon shit people are still divided especially IRL. Corporations and government are too powerful.

>>738757261
>not reliant on propitiatory hardware to run
Yes you do it's called a PC with windows DRM

>>738757138
Not him, but you might be retarded. There is no world in which a computer program for a digital computer is not digital. That is definitionally impossible

>>738757119
Absolutely, even patching games to work offline and thus with no MP components would probably be good enough, private servers would be perfect. It's why the worthless faggots don't want to make such tools available anymore, because if we can play whatever game we want with its full functionality whenever we want, there's less general incentive to buy the new thing.

>>738756693
It doesn't matter anyway since payment comes after service. Right now is as well defined as any end of service date

i genuinely hate america, i want to leave this shithole as soon as i can

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I hate most modern games and I especially hate GAAS games. I can't think of a single example of a game that I have "lost access" to because the servers closed down. Even so, I support SKG just because it's such a simple ask and I'm tired of living in a world where everyday consumers lose more and more ground to wealthy elites. I can't imagine anyone being against this. Aren't you tired of everything always getting worse? You should support it on that basis alone. Do you just enjoy bootlicking for billionaires that much?

>>738757340
Nigga you're braindead nothing youw write makes sense just take your meds you seething poor 3rd world schizo

You own nothing not even a person who loves you

>>738757430
Same. I haven't touched a multiplayer game in 15 years let alone GaaS slop, but if big corpos are against it I'm for it.

>>738751226
why are companies trying so hard to fight against this?
just put an option for players to connect to private servers/p2p after you discontinue the game

>>738757437
You could just admit to being wrong instead of impotently seething and telling me that your parents don't love you.
I don't care to know.

>>738757072
We were always like this, we just currently hate the corpos and government because they're woke, when that's fix (already being fixed) we reset to being how we were like Japan is.

>>738757372
>lives in FREEDOMland
>still wants to leave
Glutton. And unironically you have privilege to leave to any country you want. While I can't and need to do shit tons of rituals just to get freelancer visa and permission to be 1st world country. And I need to have 1st world country tier salary to do that. And I can be jailed for drawing anime porn.

boomers and zoomers have irreversibly damaged this country

>FLOOR ALERT
FLOOR ALERT
>FLOOR ALERT
FLOOR ALERT
>FLOOR ALERT
FLOOR ALERT
>FLOOR ALERT
FLOOR ALERT

Where's the source?

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>>738757542
Genuinely some companies cannot afford to lose the ability to rip your game library out of your hands every five years if possible, and in certain cases are legally compelled to.

>>738757734
Here

>>738757562
>Already being fixed
On what fucking planet

>>738757603
zoomers grew up in like 3 recessions back to back, we had even less chance than millennials

>>738757737
Also the whole copyright and dmca thing is a legal landmine that nobody wants to fucking touch at all if possible, because shit's on the verge of imploding.

>>738757542
>how can we sell our new slop if they're still playing our old games?
It's not really about the effort required in patching in an offline mode. That's easy. It's the control they want. And particularly for developers who have gone downhill in the past 10-15 years, they want to make sure you can't just sit around playing their old games when they have new, heavily monetized GAAS slop to sell you.

How come you niggers cheered for concord and highguard shutting down despite supposedly what SKG is supposed to protect from happening? Those weren't f2p live service sloppa like gachas or korean mmos either. Those were pay to play games.
>B-but muh shitty game
And so is The Crew, an ubishit game and yet that's the poster child for this movement. Nobody cared when Anthem was shutdown either.

Ubisoft hired a third party to make Anno 2070 work offline.
They've already done the work to "Show" they can comply with such a regulation themselves. They're proof against themselves.

>>738758045
A game failing =/= the game intentionally being shut down and players who both probably already did host, and could host being prevented from playing.
Anyone stupid enough to buy that dogshit should still be allowed to play it.

>>738756145
I'm not going to punish you for crying in the supermarket, that's your mother's job. I'm fine just looking down on you

>>738758045
>How come you niggers cheered for concord and highguard shutting down despite supposedly what SKG is supposed to protect from happening?
Because those games were woke DEI slop, stupid tranny.

>>738757816
It's not the recessions that fucked zoomers, people can easily survive hard economic times. Zoomers and anyone after them got fucked by smartphones and the digital gulag. Even Windows for young people these days is digital gulag compared to what it was like for millennials.

Probably doesn't help that they are being miseducated either, but constant dopamine highs from social media fuck you up.

So what are good arguments against SKG? I feel like it could potentially limit certain games being made but i think that can mostly be fixed by letting players host the servers. Any opposers here?

>>738758045
It's not really about them shutting down, it's about being financially nonviable. If dogshit games are nonviable then perhaps one can have the tiniest smidgen of hope that this dogshit AAA industry will wake up and try making something else for a change, hopefully something better. That being said I wouldn't be upset if they released a Concord or Highguard dedicated server and the 3 people who'd still play those had the ability to do just that.

I don't even know what your argument is supposed to be, unpopular games exist therefore developers should have the right to remove games you paid for on a whim? I hope not, because that would mean you are extraordinarily stupid.

>>738751226
It's not about the present but the future.
SKG cockblocks the industry from doing slngle player games that have the data on a server elsewhere.

>>738756462
I don't recall the contract stating the length of time a $60 subscription was supposed to cover

>>738758045
They were bad slop, and basically nobody bought them. That being said, I don't see how it would be a bad thing if people could still play concord today.

>>738758317
>Hey Picasso regulations say you need to add green paint to Guernica
>Hey Beethoven regulations say you need to use a harpsicord in this symphony
>Hey Wright Brothers this plane doesn't have the required number of safety belts we're going to have to demolish it
>Hey developer just add an entire single player offline mode even though the game isn't designed to work like that

>>738758258
>social media did this!
Soccermoms strike again LMAO

>>738758384
>these are the kind of niggas that anti SKG
LMAO

>>738758205
and the Crew wasn't? It's still a company made by the wokest devs around, Ubisoft. Also funny how this shows that /v/ has no principles huh? People get up in arms over censorship and denuvo and having a clear white and black stance regarding it but for SKG, preserving games only matter to a select few but also pushing the bill regardless?
>Anyone stupid enough to buy that dogshit should still be allowed to play it.
I genuinely never read or hear anyone say that, much less bring up SKG to the games' defense. There are games getting EOS'd every month while people still champion SKG and being blind or just outright not care about these games regardless, instead of you know, adding them as fuel to champion the cause that games should be preserved if you spent money on them.

>>738752045
Oy vey stop going against our narrative!

>>738756952
>my wife fucks other men but she still loves me
lol

>>738758317
There aren't any.
Like they can cope and scream about how it makes demands for how games are designed, but it really doesn't.
Technically this would just be rolling back the provisions in the DMCA that make it a felony to legally use shit you bought and paid for.

>>738758384
>hey nuclear powerplant, you guys should not dump uranium on your front yard.

>>738751226
if I don't own it, it's a service and you're violating service law by not clearly outlaying the duration and frequency in the contract

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>>738758384
wew lad...

>>738758478
Dude the only way this metaphor would work is if there was a state mandate that your wife had to fuck other men.

>>738756040
Stop this tribal nonsense.

>>738758045
How was The Crew shitty?

>>738758338
My point is that SKG and people who support the movement should actually act up or at least stand their ground with their beliefs that games, regardless of how good or bad they are, have a right to exist in offline form and don't deserve to EoS. Yet the same people who supposedly support this movement are also the same ones who laugh and holler whenever a live service game gets shut down, when this movement existed because it wanted to prevent a live service game from being shut down in the first place.

>>738758579
It's corpofags trying to incite division really poorly. Only turbo retards believe it.

>>738758583
I watched an Angry Joe video about it several years back and it was a very janky racing game.

>>738758416
I literally said that, not in those exact words though. >>738758368
I am for bad games being preserved, I just find it hard to care if they get shit canned. Specially when the victims get a refund which I think they did get with concord.

>>738758585
Nobody said that you should never be able to play dogshit games that failed you fucking retard, kill yourself.

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>>738758416
>uuuuuh chud if you're against murder, you can't be happy when a serial killer gets killed!!!! this is hypocrite chud
Your mental gymnastics don't work here, GCJ troonoid.
Go back

>>738755048
>Corporations are hijacking my mind to…support something that they don’t like
ok lol

>>738751226
>ignores how games actually work
Ah, the good old "you can't have what you want because that's not how things are", as if that wasn't the whole point of getting legislators involved.
>mandating seatbelts in cars ignores how cars are actually made: without seatbelts

>>738758416
What was woke about the game?

>>738756947
No that's incorrect.

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>>738751226
>no software product is required to remain available to consumers indefinitely
Thank god someone is brave enough to say this. Can you imagine a world where the consumer was actually entitled to keep something that they paid money for? Perish the thought.

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>>738751226
>Americans are lobbying against stop killing games.
Good.

>>738751226
lmfao, the handrubbing is off the charts

>>738758692
>Nobody said that you should never be able to play dogshit games that failed you fucking retard, kill yourself.
Anon, /v/ literally keeps laughing and mocking and even getting angry at people playing gacha. Hell there are people frothing at the mouth when you say you like stellar blade because why would you play a watered down action game when better games exist? Something that /v/ parrots off all the fucking time that you can only play specific games.
>>738758717
That is still not a good look for your movement. Case in point, how many games do you even want to preserve under this movement? Do you even play live service games to begin with?

>>738758656
Well I played it and it's no more janky than 90% of supposedly good games. I encountered a total of two physics bugs throughout the entire game. Glitch compilations aren't really representative of anything

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>That is still not a good look for your movement.
>"movement"
Retarded GCJtroon LMAO

>>738752716
Brainraped corposlave goyim mindset.

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>>738758938
Should not be able to and Shouldn't are two different things.

>>738758585
Everyone has the right to laugh at dogshit games because they're dogshit. Just because something's dogshit doesn't mean it has no right to exist. But it also doesn't change the fact that it's dogshit.

>>738752018
Retard. Small/indie devs are more likely to release server binaries so their games can be community supported forever. Corps deliberately stopped doing this because they WANT games to die to force you onto the next yearly instalment.

>>738759041
It is a movement because it's not a law yet. Hell, I don't think it's even a movement because nobody is even championing for the preservation of live service games. It's all just Scott, because he's really passionate about The Crew. I genuinely never saw anyone else lament that a game was shut down. Hell if you look at steam forums for example, the most common threads are people doomposting about inevitable end of service and telling people that they're retards for wasting their time playing and spending money GaaS, which I guess in a sense is true since Steam clearly states that you don't own those games.

>>738753837
You don't own them, you purchased a license to play them
You're a neet living in his mother's basement, so you don't know the difference, but in the real world it matters

>>738759110
>Everyone has the right to laugh at dogshit games because they're dogshit.
No no no. If you like games you should like all games and if you don't like all games you don't like games at all.

>>738751797
It's certainly typeset like one, which ironically leads me to suspect it's legitimate since these modern bureaucrats can't produce an aesthetically pleasing document of any kind to save their fucking lives.

Making fun of Concord and Highguard should be illegal.
It is war crime.

>>738759071
I know that, but why is there drastically lesser conviction and fervor for game preservation, despite people here supporting, compared to say censorship? There are literally games that get a hint of censorship, which by far are games that /v/ doesn't even get a flying fuck about, but anons will regardless say that censorship no matter how small or big, or where it happens, is completely unjustifiable. Like look at the massive uproar about the censorship of panties in crimson desert, a game that /v/ hates for being korean.

>>738756462
>>It says right here in the EULA that I can rape you in the bumhole. What the fuck are you going to do about it jewboy?
Case closed, you are my bitch slave.

>>738759189
Valve's statement about licences literally say I purchased the game itself

>>738759189
Every crime is legal until a law is made.
This "you don't actually buy but lease but we don't need to disclose" thing is clearly hurting consumers and destroying art, so it probably will turn into a crime.

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>>738757542
Because they want to be able to remotely disable older games to force consumers to by the newer ones. That's what Ubisoft did with The Crew, they wanted to push that games playerbase onto the sequel. This isn't even the first time a company has tried this, Apple was caught sabotaging older iPhones via software updates to push users onto newer models.

>>738758317
There isn't any because SKG's vision is one we've already lived through. Plenty of older games were designed to work just fine without having to authenticate to a server and private servers were a thing that a lot of multiplayer games were designed to work with out of the box. Even games that weren't designed that way, players still found a way, like all of the World of Warcraft private servers that existed. Their entire counter-argument against SKG falls apart the moment someone walks into the hearing with a pair of laptops connected to a Quake III multiplayer session.

>>738758938
/v/ is not one person you fucking sped. This board is infamous for the constant bickering and arguing that happens here. There is not a single topic in the world that this board can collectively agree on.

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>>738751226
Why are people against SKG? Don't you guys want to keep playing your beloved games and not see it die because they closed it and then released a sequel that sucks balls?????
Don't you want your own (community) servers so you can play with your friends instead of just thinking"man I wish I could play X but they closed it"??
I don't get why anyone would oppose this, it's beneficial for everyone
Imagine if they killed TF2, at least you can host your own servers and have fun
What the fuck??? My mind is blowing up from the retarded dumbases that want to protect the companies like if they actually cared about us.

>>738759205
Except the entire purpose of SKG is that you should defend games from being shutdown and/or force the devs to provide an offline version of the game to people who paid for them. You can laugh at a shitty game being shit sure, but it's also absolutely hypocritical to support a bill that is supposed to stop live service games from being lost forever while also laughing and cheering on a game that you don't like from also shutting down. Before you say it, no, absolutely nobody was asking for Concord to get an offline build either. There were some people who tried salvage it a few months ago, but got no help from SKG.

>>738756540
Are you 12? Corporations are just organized groups of people working to make money.
>Grr! I really hate when people get together and work towards a common goal of providing products and services to others!
You're free to go back to Africa and live in a mudhut, nigger. Civilization won't miss you. Lord knows you don't deserve it.

>>738759486
>/v/ is not one person you fucking sped.
Judging by the responses here, it's safe to assume that genuine supporters of SKG are probably in the minority. Most are probably just fine if the bill passes and whatever niche live service game they play, say For Honor, gets an offline mode but if games continue to get killed, they will probably just move on and continue playing something else.

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>>738751226

>>738759604
A majority would say yes over no

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GCJtroon, if SKG was real your DEI woke slop would entertain /v/ for more than a year. You should be glad it is dead and immortalized in a moment.
And yes I play gaas shit. Elite Dangerous the game that was turned into always online gaas in the middle of development and up to this day is still unfinished and kept in hostage of retarded devs.
I need SKG. I want to see devs bankrupt so they will be forced to release offline version of the game. And then modders will save entire space sim genre. Something that retarded devs can't do.

>>738751226
>nooo we cant just support a game forever

why does nobody understand this point at all. just make games like they used to be.

I'd rather have corporations control everything than governments, leftist retards don't understand the consequences of their actions.

>>738759501
>Don't you guys want to keep playing your beloved games
Only slop is threatened to disappear.

>>738751226
*taps the sign*
If buying isnt owning then piracy isn't stealing.

>>738759815
they have denuvo

>>738759501
>Why are people against SKG?
The state forcing anyone to do anything is wrong by default.
>Don't you guys want to
Grug want play game. Grug want free food! Grug want many woman and shiny things. Is world not belong to Grug and Grug alone? Grug confused...
>I don't get why anyone would oppose this, it's beneficial for everyone
It's beneficial to the people behind the game?
>My mind is blowing up from the retarded dumbases that want to protect the companies like if they actually cared about us.
And by the company that doesn't care about you, just to be clear, you are referring to the company that gave you this game you enjoy, right? You sound like a spoiled child threatening to kill your mom because she refused to buy you the latest smartphone.

>>738759752
It's not even that
They just have to give you the tools to host your own servers, they can just leave it to die like Titanfall 2, players will host an anticheat system that you can download if you want

>>738759540
Corporations are legally people themselves. I can hate one person without hating a bunch of other people

Will Americans ever quit begging corporations to fuck them in the ass?

>>738751226
>Americans
>some Jewish company
go to bed Vlad

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Kneel

>>738755317
>genuis
I want to believe this was on purpose (because it's funnier that way).

>>738759887
>denACKvo

>>738759604
Being against SKG gets (you)s, especially the more antagonist you are. That's all the reason anyone ever needs to make posts here.
If we were able to truth serum-roofie every anon on /v/, I'd be willing to bet most would be in favor of SKG in reality. But you're right in the last part, in that they'll just buy the next sequelslop if it keeps going on. /v/ yells a lot, but at the end of the day, we're even bigger whores and big-talk-no-walk losers than reddit.

>>738759501
>Why are people against SKG?
because SKG is against corporate interests.
anything that disingenuous astroturfers like >>738759897 say can be safely ignored.

SKG is only impossible for MMOs (devs cant just release official server tools tho). In all this GAAS games always online is just a form of DRM.

>>738759954
thor won

>>738759809
I'd rather have neither control everything, but that's not an option for you retarded absolutists

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>>738760068
>cant
Can I mean.

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>>738759897
>It's beneficial to the people behind the game?
The people behind the game stopped caring about it, that's like you throwing away a GPU just because you got a 5070
You could just sell it and help someone else that could buy your used GPU for half of a new one
Why do you think that the companies are the only thing allowed to be happy? Are you genuinely retarded? Do you like eating shit?

>>738759440
A game and a license to the game are two different things. If you owned the game, companies wouldn't be able to take them from your account, but they can.

>>738759509
Concord offered a full refund to all buyers. That's a valid alternative under SKG principles if you don't have another EoL plan.

>>738756984
The cash (and other "physical" considerations) are delivered under separate cover more privately.

>>738760342
fair.
Would be interesting to see if china and korea comply with this though. Nexon particularly is infamous for sunsetting their games.

>>738760342
Why do people want to conserve movies, music and art
But people say "lmao you can delete my game anytime! I sure do love not playing the game after a week because it flopped"
This is why videogames will never be taken seriously

>>738760468
They'll just drop eu

>>738760482
movies and music are also licenses

>>738760068
Any game with a proper subscription model with clearly defined limitations would be exempt, i.e., "If you pay us this much, then we will let you access our game for this length of time". You've specifically only paid for the right to access for a certain period of time and no more, so if you want to do something about that, you'd need another thing entirely.

Stop Killing Games appears to only specifically target games with an up-front cost. Like if you paid $60 to purchase a game, only to be unable to access that game at all, that sort of thing. Games without an up-front cost are a separate matter. There's also the issue of "free to play" games which appear to be outside SKG's area.

>>738760068
Yeah, that's one thing I never understood about how these companies think. At the end of an MMO's life, rather than let the fanbase reverse engineer all of their work and release free tools, they could just start selling the server packages and get a whole new revenue stream for a game that's otherwise completely dead. I mean, look at City of Heroes. Those stubborn korean fucks missed out on a ton of money because they wouldn't negotiate for over a decade even with interested parties continually trying to open channels. And in the end, despite all the scumfuckery with leandro and cipher, they just got their server code released to the winds for free.
We've seen time and again that people will and do continue to flock to the new ones even when the old ones are operational, so that's not an excuse either.

It's stupid anyways and something only a tranny would care about.
>>738751650
You lost tranny

>>738759930
A company does nothing, has no identity or agency, and expresses no individualism outside the people who work there. It's just an abstract concept. By hating companies, you're hating people who group up and work together - that's it, because that's all a company is. Actually, a company doesn't even need to be that, it can be a single person. So you can tell me you like me and then I announced I am now Anonymous #4732, Inc. and suddenly you hate me. What changed? Literally nothing.

You have no arguments. Some soiboi kikes told you to hate corporations and you listened to them because you're poor and you recognized corporations as making a lot of money and you're jealous so you accept the fact this abstract concept, which is literally just people working for a living, would benefit you if it were evil.

You're just a parasite and modern civilization is so backwards that it lets you parasites think you're the good guys. Not that you'll ever actually get anything out of it. Ultimately, this must be a result of the poor, stupid, lower class people outbreeding the rich, intelligence, upper class people, which began in the 1830s and has resulted in the population being 90% genetic mutants. But being a genetic mutant is fine, I won't blame you for that, but I can blame you for being a cunt.

>>738760064
I didn't say anything disingenuous. Anons told me SKG agreed with my stance. OP's picture does not. Anons told me OP's picture and SKG are not the same thing. So if you're going to respond to OP's picture and say, "Why are people against SKG," I'm going to think you're someone who thinks SKG agrees with OP's picture (which, again, /v/ says it doesn't).

>>738760557
but mmo's sell full price games and expansions not just subscriptions. I bought this game why can't I play it anymore?

skggers have no idea how messy this can get.

>>738760068
Then maybe MMOs should only exist if your company is big enough to make offline tools? It's not like anyone is making new MMOs like FF14 or WoW

>>738760208
They are two different things, and according to Valve's statement, you receive both the digital product and a licence for the digital product

>>738760848
Valve has no power in any of this they can only sell what the sellers give them and that is licenses.

>>738760157
>The people behind the game stopped caring about it
You don't have a right to judge whether I care about my property or not. Just because you haven't used that treadmill your mom bought you 10 years ago doesn't mean I have a right to steal it. That's not how this works.
>that's like you throwing away a GPU just because you got a 5070
That's my right since it's my property. You sound like those Ukrainian Jews who go sifting through people's garbage cans.
>You could just sell it and help someone else that could buy your used GPU for half of a new one
I could do that. And I will if I want to. Should the government put a gun in my face and force me to do it on threat of death? No? Okay, then your argument has fallen apart.
>Why do you think that the companies are the only thing allowed to be happy? Are you genuinely retarded? Do you like eating shit?
I paid for a service. I got it. If I don't think the service was worth the price, then I won't do it again. That's how reality works, do you not know that?

>>738760806
I can smell the dirty Yuropiss in this post.
>You are NOT allowed to do this unless you meet Regulation A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J...
Doesn't your Muslim foster brother need to use the computer?

>>738751226
This response isn't surprising. I'm all for clear disclosure so that it's plain to see whether a game can work offline or not but all the 'let users run their own servers' memes won't stand up to scrutiny in the real world.

>>738758045
Concord refunded everyone. If I pay for something and they take it away they should give my money back

>>738761084
This. Letting users run their own servers is impossible. That's why no game has ever done it.

>>738761084
Merely forbidding companies from suing anyone who hosts private servers for games they no longer support would already be a massive improvement.

>>738760972
>You don't have a right to judge whether I care about my property or not
Okay you're retarded, you're ragebaiting me.
You go around wasting money and when you get scammed you go "oops, I don't care!"
>>738761075
I can't see the future, maybe they just say "make offline servers easy to create" like Apple's Lightning cable USB C bullshit, and the right to change your phone's battery

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>>738759501
The people that are against SKG are either
>Shills of some variety
>People who think any government intervention is some 1984 shit
the former is pretty easy to understand. Company can't kill own game, they can't sell you new game. So it's against the company's interests, and being a corporation, also hire jeets to argue against it. None of these people are sincere.
The latter are mostly boomers and Republicans brainwashed into believing that anything that harms rich people in any way is Communism. So they flip and freak out any time its mentioned.
That is despite the fact that without government regulations, society would be significantly worse off. A world where Walmart can do what ever the fuck they want, completely unchallenged, would be 1000x worse than anything George Orwell wrote about.

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>>738751226
Don't worry we've got your back.

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>>738751226
>Council, there's absolutely no way to let players host servers

>>738752321
Copyright is communism.

>>738760710
If the people are absolved of all legal responsibility for the company's faults, then my criticism of the company has nothing to do with them.
Stop taking it so personally. I don't hate you, just an abstract concept that you're a part of

>>738761084
It would upend the entire media landscape as music/tv/movies and the entire software industry (not just games) also sell licenses for decades. SKG think this will be a nice and easy law that only effects games but the games industry won't sit back and be unfairly targeted while everyone else is selling licenses and pulling them.

This has no chance succeeding the way Ross and co think at best a new disclaimer will appear when you click the buy button.

>>738760914
Then they should be more careful with their legalese because they're on the hook for what they advertise. That was the whole point of the statement

>>738761328
The latter aren't actually real, capital L Libertarians are unironically a glowop to make minarchists look stupid.
Which should have been obvious to everyone when they entertained that misgendering someone is a civil offense.

>>738761075
>he says this after Washington banned investment firms from buying houses

>>738761272
>Okay you're retarded, you're ragebaiting me
You're making the same argument that the ASOIAF fans make because GRRM is taking too long to write Winds of Winter so the government should force him to do it or steal the IP or make it pubic domain. It's his series. It sucks that he isn't ever going to finish it, but stealing it from him or threatening him to do something he doesn't want to do is unethical. And all that because you want to read a fucking book. Or in this case, play a game.
>You go around wasting money and when you get scammed you go "oops, I don't care!"
No, I'm against that. I agree with SKG as it was described to me by /v/ and the people behind SKG allegedly agree with everything I've said - they've already thought about all this.
>I can't see the future, maybe they just say "make offline servers easy to create"
It's unethical to force them to pour man hours into teaching you how to play their game without their assistance. That would be like forcing landscapers to teach all their customers how to mow the lawn in the event they go out of business or move.

The correct move is to make it so developers can't take action against people who provide services for their games when they no longer do. In the event of a massive flop like Concord where no player was given a fair chance to even play the game, they should be refunded, and usually this does happen anyway. Really, the solution is to simply get rid of intellectual property laws, but that will never happen.

>>738761429
But you're not attacking something real. The people at a company can just move and start a different company. The Dassler Brothers Shoe Factory can just split and become Adidas and Puma. If you hate those companies, but somehow swear you don't hate the Dassler Brothers, then the only thing left for you to hate is the mere concept of organized production. They're just dudes who needed food so they made shoes and the moment they slapped a name on it, suddenly you're aggro.

>>738756302
>>738756327
>shill forgets they were supposed to be two people who were against each other

>>738762162
You don't get to decide what my opinions are

>>738761328
>>738761642
No, the latter is real and it's what anyone with an IQ over 130 believes unless they're part of racket. The state does nothing good. It's a tool for authoritarians whose ideas can't survive rational scrutiny. Both liberals and conservatives have a religious belief in their way of thinking and want to force it on everyone else and they do this by bureaucratically dueling over control of the military/police, who people believe have a legitimate monopoly on violence. There's literally nothing about modern civilization that wouldn't be better without the state.