>How do I git in? Post your Steam profile and ask. You need to accept a friend request to be invited, so don't be a sperg.
>How do I git gud? Do the tutorial, get a feel for each hero in sandbox mode, explore public item builds, watch replays. Playing a Hero for the first time will put you into a lower rank game*, so don't worry about it too much.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EQYC-MKXsQ&t the lash and drifter interaction absolutely obliterates my sides every time I watch this it's also just got a really cute and fun art style to it
>>566733318 most of the cringe tumblrsht for deadlock is just gay softcore porn so I don't know what's not to like here If anything this is a breath of fresh air
>>566733478 Bring back Spirit Victor He was way more healthy for the game. He at least needed 40k worth of souls to do shit, instead he plays off tempo now.
>>566733703 >Only pure spirit carry in the game that isn't some gay hybrid nonsense Yes Listen buddy its either Tempo Victor or Spirit Victor. Pick your poison.
>>566733314 That amount of healing, hero damage and objective damage divided by seven games is unironically higher than a lot of retards I get in the eternus bracket. You're gonna make it.
>>566733478 >spirit part of obvious spirit heroes gets nerfed so hard that their gun is more reliable because it was not nerfed it happens so often in this game that you'd think they would learn at this point
>>566735035 It used to be just wins and losses?, now they changed something and it considers your in game stats now too. By how much I dunno, but its noticeable. The game seems to take into consideration that you were with shitter team-mates and not nuke your rank into the ground.
>>566735035 >i've heard so much conflicting information it's legitimately all speculation, no one on the outside actually knows with any certainty how it works the only thing we can deduce is that it looks at more than just win/loss, that it evaluates individual player performance as well
Do you think the patrons would screw people over with their wishes? >Abrahams: Canonically they call him a retard for not being specific and just fuck off without giving any answers >Dynamo: Gets his body back... but since it has been 50 years he's really old and dies a few days later >Lash: Finally becomes well-known by accidentally doing something so heinous no one ever forgets about him >Drifter: Gets locked in an ultrahell dimension where he needs to fight for survival for all eternity >Silver: Fixes her lycanthropy by permanently and irreparably turning her into a werewolf >Holiday: She finally finds the Troubador... because he found her first. >Paige: Literally just drop her brother's rotten corpse at her feet. >Billy: The entire world changes for the worse as everyone starts thinking like Billy, and it all devolves into destructive nihilistic anarchy
>>566736148 No one really knows what Lash's Wish is its kinda one of the big mysteris of the game I think and I dont think Silver is there to fix her werewolfness I think she'll just ask for a million dollars or something
>>566736148 it would be kind of funny if for seven's monke's paw wish, he just >was erased from reality >his name now replaces the word "god" in every religious text across the world >people are outraged by this, and try as they might they can't revert the name change
>be Deadcock >add six new heroes with high quality modeling, texturing, animations, soundwork, gameplay >game continues to flop >be CS2 >simply replace ammo reloading with magazine reloading >become more popular than ever before Deadcock is too complicated
>>566737580 nothing grim about artist that lacks skill to make proper ship art my dude, it has this really sucky disneyfied feeling, both of them feel so out of character, I can't explain it
shiv being balls deep in pocket is less gayer than those two artworks
>>566738545 why are you acknowledging a retarded discord raid or wherever they're from? multiple posts about the game flopping within the span of 2 minutes really isnt subtle
>>566732778 Im pretty sure the people saying wr doesn't mean anything are Marvel Rivals imports. Whenever you show them statistics they just hand wave them away if they dont agree with their anecdotes. I guarantee you that Venator upplayers are all Buckyfags
>>566740018 Winrate by itself has never ever been a good indicator of hero strength. When Mina was OP she had like a 44% winrate. Bucky was OP even when he had a sub 50% winrate. Just like Hela. It's more pronounced in MR because counter switching and the like. I was a Magik main (99.8%ile -- I was good), but she sucked compared to Bucky and Hela despite the higher winrate? Why? Because only a few specialized autists play her, and no one switches to her as a back-up when things are going bad (which would deflate her winrate), like they do with Hela and Cucky
Im new and im about to hit the last tier on the top line.
How important is corner boosting? Can you get to bridge buffs with it? Im feeling as a new player my movement is pretty low and wonfer how required it all is.
>>566741523 I don't get why people complain about deadlock movement being shit when marvel rivals movement is so much worse and more jank in comparison >>566741540 I'm not one to judge coping mechanisms, so whatever helps you cope, feel free to do so anon >>566741594 I don't care for brits
>>566741485 I don't understand how DBD still has a playerbase They use the ubisoft model pay to play with the new (meta) stuff on top of already charging 20$
>>566743187 vegas complaining that, >waaaaa high dps characters with big health pools shouldn't have high mobility waaaaaaaaa too bad so sad, get raped lil nigga
>>566743187 She's clearly underpowered and in desperate need of Buffs! How the fuck do they upplay gun lash that much lmao, it's good but nowhere near as good as Mina.
>>566742812 >With that said I can never go back after deadlock movement. i booted up rivals for the first time in months the other day and the literal first thing i did in the practice range was press shift to dash i also kinda forgot how much of a visual clusterfuck that game was
>>566744098 with a clone of me playing? Rem without any doubt, hes great at being a macro crutch when played right with the average player? paige, they always strap themselves to the carry's ass cheek and make them carry harder unlike all the former secondaries playing rem
>>566744214 it doesn't help that rivals being in third person tends to throw things off, like in deadlock your crosshair generally is a good indicator of where shit will go but there are numerous instances in rivals where you will want your target offset from the crosshair in a certain way (and it double doesn't help that i play mantis who switches hands every shot and i swear it noticeably fucks with aiming esp in closer range enagements)
fun fact: marvel rivals has more non-human non-bipedal characters than deadlock, even though the latter advertises itself as having an "occult, supernatural theme"
Why do some of y'all self-insert by making every character lgbt? Taking straight characters and making them gay wont change the fact holliday takes BBC and enjoys it
>>566739659 But they nerfed gun tho >max gun investment went from 140 or 130 to 100 The problem is that they also nerfed HP bar so gunfags can just squirt 5 trillion bullets at you with no real hard counterplay, shit like spirit lash on the other hand is countered by 1(uno) item[spellbreaker] because he's fully reliant on his brust, if it fails he's basically fucked. Honestly most of the balance problems in the game imo are in the item shop rather then with the heroes themselves
>>566746623 so hot you can't stop thinking about it huh? >>566746820 he's referring to fortune cookie which is slang for dog pussy because they look like fortune cookies, cookie for short
>>566746623 Wait till you learn about knot >>566746820 Silverfags constantly mention cookies because they want to fuck dogs, not Silver or furries, real dogs, apparently dog genitals look like cookies or something, the whole thing is pretty weird and disgusting desu and a silverfag explained it in detail like 3 months ago
>>566747151 >lifesteal They nerfed that too last patch, so they're going in the right direction by your estimate >inb4 remove it from the game Let's not go full retard now
>>566748020 he also complains about shiv okay real shit maybe the reason why Eternus players put Silver so high is because most of them hate movement, and they rank Shiv and Silver pretty high because they hate movement like Lash being in the same tier as Mina is just fucking silly, there's some obvious movement bias influencing the pro level tiering here
Silver is OP because human form yet ArcanistGODS think Werewolf is the problem. >Drops a capacitor on your head, now you can't more >Slamfire maxxed with express shit ripping 70% of your HP
>>566748493 I do wonder how many of these guys would be hardstuck when we get eventual mmr/rank resets. They are not ready for the gun rems or spirit geists.
>>566748841 Im not talking about mods, even though some of them are just bullshit, im talking about bug abusing and cheating Russians who plague the EU eternus ladder.
>>566748219 It's not even ideal on heroes like brair but i still run it on like 30% of my games with brair because it's so fucking fun, i also run it first item on poppy support, I'd fucking DIE for a heartsteel stack, idk how riot did it but that item is always so much fun for some reason, the closest item to it in deadlock is trophy collector but that item is garbage desu, the reward is just not worth it and you're actively punished for running it
>>566749191 They patched mere hours after the incident. I was mostly talking about Doorman trapping enemies on tunnels and Vindicta niggers aimbotting.
This is one of the most famous League lolcows, if he becomes a deadlock regular he will become like a 100 times more whiny version of metro it's going to be epic
I just had the most amazing matchmaking of all time. > Holliday, Sinclair, Vindicta, Warden, Shiv > Other team has Abrams, Wraith, Infernus, Drifter, Dynamo, Kelvin > Game is over in <20 minutes > Holliday on mic going "it's just a game bro you're not skilled unless you play the worst character I could totally be out of shitlow if I played drifter"
>>566733515 im phantom 5 right now but I'm just a temporarily embarrassed ascendant on an unlucky streak if I locked in and only queued as m1ggers I would be asc 5, but I want to have fun
>>566749754 >bitching about wraith (justified) >takes a t1 over helping the Ven (who's doing well) getting raped by silver in their own jg LOL, won't have fun when this guy gets to my mmr.
>>566750228 Same, the one time I got into a ascendant lobby I carried but afterwards had the most soul breaking lose streak. Went from phantom 6 to 2, currently recovered to 5 but goddammit man I was so close.
Vegas dropped a new tier list, here's some interesting things he said in the video:
>Movement creep is getting to unbearable levels and in his opinion its just a question of time before it gets nerfed >Too many heroes with great mobility and damage also have one million HP >Doorman, Bebop and Lash have lower winrates than they should because people play the wrong builds (kidnap, bomb and spirit instead of bell, gun and gun) >Sinclair would be higher but he's the only hero in the game that is considerably difficult to play well >Quad-tornado is the best Mirage build >Vindicta would be OP if half the cast wasn't able to fly and rape her in the air >Rem is so bad that even if you win you lose MMR because the game thought you were trolling because you have zero impact
>>566751951 >dynamo in A tier I was trying to listen to the video for the tier list, but all I could hear was some weird clown honking noise the whole time; I dunno
>>566751951 >>Quad-tornado is the best Mirage build I played against it once and it's cancer, if he's running then he'll waste a good 1~2 minutes of your time to kill him, if he ganks you then he can keep you knocked up for a good 4 seconds and more while his teammate obliterates your health par
>>566748312 I mean it makes sense, movement is going to be at its best in Eternus lobbies where they get their opinions from. Everyone is wallboucing into cornerboosts and reaching rooftops at zero stamina so yeah the heroes who can perpetually stay in the air are going to be the most horrible to deal with. His problem with Lash is that he never touches the ground, has a very large HP pool and deals a lot of damage with his gun build
>>566752669 >lash >large hp pool brother it's because he builds siphoning in the gun build lmao. He's really squishy >>566752790 You see I think the same than I play against a good viscous and am happy he's not good.
>>566752767 >Its cancer but I wouldn't really say its effective I mean, we won so maybe you're right, I'm just saying that from being on the receiving end of that build, it's fucking cancer, the knockup is too long and with echo shard he gets 4(FOUR) knockups back to back, you genuinely just need a duo to guarantee a kill every time it's up >good players will instead just rape your team-mates instead of wasting time on you. Yeah but he has a map wide teleport and a knock up which movment locks you. As i said i never ran the build personally but it looks like it fills a broken niche
>>566752915 >>566753064 Lash has a lot of HP, gets free damage from his tier 2 upgrade on his grapple. You buy recharging rush and rapid recharge so you can be on the air forever. Because he has a big HP pool his flog and headhunter heal him for a bunch of HP and Siphon gives him pretty good damage and even more tankiness. So basically you just fly around the enemy team being unkillable and annoying, draining their HP constantly
>>566752935 He's talking about the bola, I'm of the opinion its a bit of meme since it only lasts like 1.5 seconds or 2 if you upgrade it. If the game had a lower time to kill it might be OP but every nigga is buying extra health these days.
>>566753360 I find her easier to win with than Ven as someone who plays both. I'm also in the rank where no one helps you so if you make any mistake on ven their entire team spirit nukes you.
>>566753556 He FEELS squishier than he actually is (inlane), but once you get siphon you're unkillable. I hope the playstyle / build survives the nerfs since this is the only version of Lash I've ever found fun. Pure spirit nuker just isn't as satisfying as a hyper mobile carry.
Kinda sucks that some heroes have *tax* before they can buy anything for example if you don't buy Extra Charge + Extra Stamina as Holliday you're basically throwing the game compare that to Dynamo who can be good so much earlier
>>566754089 yeah Dynamo needs extra charge but he's just as good without it you NEED absolutely NEED to buy Extra Charge on Holliday its not even negotiable
>>566753818 I don't play lash much but when i get him in brool I'm of the opposite opinion, where i love betting EVERYTHING on one slam, where i either nuke them or fucking die, the problem with that there is that 1 item(spell breaker) completely rapes the build so it's a huge gamble, not that you're useless after desu, you can still ult and do a bit of damage here and there but still
>>566754292 Honestly would be a good nerf, I'd prefer stomp being worse but when it was worse he was completely unviable in Tournies and big holes are fun to spectate.
>>566754578 Yeah brool is almost impossible to do gun in since 99% of lashes are doing spirit nuke and you need a specific two items to make it work (HH+RR/Rr)
>>566754546 headhunter isn't optimal but it still works and t1 headshot item is busted on him in lane. Just spam the meta gun items like Opening Rounds, Berserker, Blood tribute etc with some greens and you will be good. Merc mag too. Sorry if I sound defensive I just hate this hero, impossible to screw up, has amazing lane, tanky as fuck, overstatted nade and cage. Gun shits damage. It ain't fair lad it ain't fair
>>566754735 I dont mind him being strong but hes just so hard to punish with 3 stam, a large health pool, knockup, and singularity to get him out of jail without even ulting with 2 stam he should be easier to catch out of position
>>566749761 >After the nerfs It went from 0.25 to 0.22 on max level, so it's basically a 0.03 difference in scaling(.02 base and .01 late) Which is not much desu, tho i appreciate any nerfs to shiv, the guy is a meance when he lands his shit
>>566751061 Idk what works best but grenade builds are fun >extra charges, recharging rush, the two extra ability range items, duration extender, CD reduction, and the building gun for the rest of your slots prioritising gun damage I want to build spirit tank venator at some point but feels like it's too much of a meme, you need 200 spirit just to get 24&24 resists, but the problem is with that amount of money you might as well buy the two 30&30 resist items
>>566754186 >>566755069 you don't need good aim to use headhunter you're going to proc it with max uptime on every fight completely accidentally by just aiming near their neck my aim is ass but I'm getting so much damage out of it anyway
>>566753064 as you should, i barely ever build resists on lash because of how the hp threshold %s worked. before they changed trophy collector a maxed stack TC and stamina mastery alone was like 5k hp on lash
>>566751951 I've been saying Calico needs a buff for a month now, but now that some streamfag does it we're gonna take that into account all of a sudden?
>>566756560 her build is like 80% fine the specific choice of spirit items and going titanic mag when going for 4.8k spirit early is pretty retarded but it's still mostly fine
>>566757589 Because it's retarded and any early game kills are worth more than the possibility of scaling later. We lost guardian in under 5 minutes cause he bought no items
>>566757686 You didnt lose guardian because seven bought bad items, you lost guardian because neither you nor seven bothered to shove the wave out because you were too busy impotently poking the enemy heroes who I'm guessing consisted of an Ivy or some other strong pusher.
>>566757713 >slowing hex on haze is worthless >slowing hex into mina lash is worthless holy alch qsr is suboptimal when SoP is in the game but it's mostly fine
>Silver is one of the most underrepresented broken heroes, the character is just broken as fuck >If your brain can't comprehend that, you're low elo. I've played silver leaning back in my chair not even trying, it just plays itself bro. The man who killed silvertrannies
>>566757956 The fat fucking health bars on every hero is what kills spirit builds honestly. Having such high health also makes gay gun shit like siphon and toxic bullets much better. Cut health in half and ironically watch the health of the game improve dramatically.
>>566757928 If you buy egg and trophy collector first items it's a 1v2 lane. If he bought monster rounds fine at least he can kill the creeps but he didnt. Trophy is bad too cause you dont want to brool on seven you should be farming. It also reduces how fast he kills creeps and jungle.
>>566758460 Unlock scarabs first Max them out first Buy mystic regen in lane for infinite sustain Constantly teleport around to clear waves and join fights, he's also a good character to get kevlar vest on
>>566751951 >>566757216 Vegas is a mechanically talented player but an actual giga retard when it comes to abstract thinking. Of course the list is shit.
Also, "high level" Deadlock (everyone just smurfs and very few people play in high elo after they get there) is a joke. Innovation and trying out new things are heavily discouraged and herd mentality is at large.
>>566758487 This just tells me you were already not doing anything in lane but trying to manfight the enemy team. Push the fucking wave instead of trying to headshot that Mina for 14 damage at her guardian.
>>566759314 Look you're either a guy playing a weak laner in which case you're just dumb for not swapping away from Seven who is also a weak laner, or you're too engaged with shit that doesn't matter in lane.
>Escalating Exposure for Spirit >Crushing Fists for Melee What is the gun variant of these items? Something that increases the damage you deal the longer you are damaging the same target
>>566758209 She's broken by being bad instead of good She's SUPPOSED to be S tier but she's broken and just B tier if you don't get that you're just low elo
>>566758619 Damage is not good enough, two stamina, no escape, blows up extremely fast. Why pick her over someone like Warden who has better CC, more damage, more HP, better mobility etc
>>566759243 Rumor is that they haven't been working on the game because all hands are on deck for hl3 and steam machine releasing together in 2 months. This time for real!
>gun lash is apparently the new hotness how does one build/play gun lash, do you approach it with a similar mindset to a more standard lash build (roam around fight a bunch and get big slams) only your gun does more damage or is there a different mindset to it
>>566763104 You spam grapple on your target once you have the core of HH+RR+2 boons in grapple to stack gun damage. It's just normal lash but slam won't do as much damage.
Yea i want to play standard deadlock. But i want to play against heroes that are like Tinker, Lone Druid, Earth Shaker, Phantom Lancer, etc or whoever can actualy fuck my shit up from dota and take some brain cella to play, means my opponent is a hard scored scripter or a genuine smurf where i can test my skill and knowledge. Because playing Graves with the current hero line up is too ez and boring since its the same heroes
>>566764126 Honestly bro start investing in Calico stocks now before her glo up. You just KNOW they're cooking up some pure nubian sex for black women of valve originality
I'm almost ascendant and while the average player is better than he was when I was in alchemist there's still stupid fucking NIGGERS with ZERO brain activity in every match it never improves does it
>>566763104 headshot booster > stamina and spirit starters > headhunter and recharging rush > tankbuster/stamina mastery > weighted shots/bullet resist shredder > siphon bullets. get level 2 flog then level 2 grapple (can do level one stomp for cooldown also), after that you can get level 2 ground strike for bounce or max flog. then max death slam every grapple increase damage per bullet by 7 so in groups just spam jump in the air to stack gun damage and solo you just jump in, ground strike and do like 1000+ gun damage in around 3 seconds
>>566763104 it's pretty much the same thing. just stick in the fights and keep shooting keep using your grapple to keep uptime on that +weapon damage. it stacks but doesn't refresh duration
>>566766578 Duration + CD + Spirit Leech + Healing Booster and debuff reducer or remover to counteract the inevitable 30 heal reduction items they're going to bring. Keep Siphon up as much as possible and take as much damage as you can while Siphon is up.
>>566765718 when the first overwatch classic event rolled around i was fucking taken aback by how there was a period where mercy was the highest hp/s healer because the other two were fucking lucio and zenyatta. we do not talk about support symmetra they should've leaned more into supports being utility focused but then we got ana/moira/brig and the baseline for sustain got way higher
>>566734187 I've had games were the entire enemy team is filled with eternus players and my team with ascendants but we somehow end up stomping them. Nobody will ever truly understand how the MMer works until they do a dedicated update on it.
>Silver leaves the match for 2-3 minutes during early lane >Game somehow doesn't FF >She rejoins in the last second before you get the green signal triggers just to ensure we lose Wow thanks.
>>566769718 I use the Jacket from Hotline Miami mod over Billy. Billy has such a faggy personality and I hate listening to him, but his kit is fun so I want to play him. Plus your 3 now plays HM music which extends the longer you extend blasted so it's more fun. They also give custom lines so the patrons refer to you as "jacket"
>>566770071 honestly i shared your opinion before i played him but afterwards his personality grew on me his upgrade lines are cute enough and alot of his kill lines have enough truth to them that you forget how unlikable he is when you're on the receiving end I like him calling mcginnis a blue collar larper
>>566769718 I tried them for a while like a Viscous reskin to make him look less dogshit, a Vergil replacement mod for Apollo because it was funny I couldn't be fucked to reinstall them after an update, they just weren't entertaining enough to keep around desu A while ago I was tempted by hearing there was a mod that made the chatwheel bigger but it turns out it was just some weird config shenanigans I couldn't be fucked to figure out so I dropped it again
Are mina and gun lash broken, or is it intended and here to stay?
To be clear i'm not seeing many good minas in emissary/archon and even less Lashes, but when you come across one, they own the lobby.
Since initiate 1 to archon 1 i'm maintaining 60%+ wr on mina to the point that i got bored and started playing lash on my alt account. After initial drop from archon 1 to ritualist 6, something clicked with my lash and I'm climbing back up fast. People just can't deal with movement and only thing that keeps killing me is my own stupidity when I get too cocky or bored
So what gives? Am i this fucking good or are these heroes actually easy mode? At what rank these heroes get a reality check?
would people get the soul urn more if the game had the tf2 announcer yelling "THE SOUL URN IS AVAILABLE FOR PICK-UP GO!" "DELIVER THE URN TO THE DROP SITE"
>behind on souls >2 people down >enemy gets rejuvenator >team decides we need to teamfight on mid NOW NOW NOW NOW >they all die >lose >this happens every >single >fucking >game Why the fuck does this keep happening? What are they putting on the water that makes people lose all semblance of logic?
>They have Dynamo, Warden and Victor >it's a low rank game Wow I wonder what the exciting conclusion of this riveting Deadlock match will be. Been playing for a week and I can already tell how the games will go. You have to be mentally retarded to lose a pub with those characters. New patch cannot come soon enough
>enemy is pushing yellow >me and our silver both go to chase him off >clocky tranny voice silver says "i've got this on my own, go push blue" >think it's a bad call but whatever, go to blue >silver dies 90 seconds later >same game >enemy team has us on the ropes >go to clear creeps out of our base >see enemy infernus out of position and on half health >go for the kill >silver is also there >gets on comms to say "stop following me" Are they all like this?
After playing this shit for a while I can say fuck this game. The more you play and learn about the game - the less fun it gets. >pauselock >leavers >feeders >smurfs >insane snowballing >dogshit movement I was thinking about doing 30 games on every char but others don't seem that interesting. Thanks for reading my blog.
Oh boy I'm going to play my favorite game Deadlock, I hope I don't get matched against some faggot niggoid meta abuser who logged in to blow off some steam after receiving his daily beating + rape from his father for being an unemployed 30+ years old drain on society.
Mina / Silver / Victor / Callico / Shiv / Dynamo / Kelvin mains:
>steal enemy double sinners as rem >leave the little guy in the room >the enemy doesn't clear it until like 18 minutes am i winning or losing? is this some advanced form of denying me the double sinners by not killing the guy?
> Playing Geist > Our Silver is being chased and needs help > Run over to Silver only to encounter their Rem and Mina on the way > Activate drain, shoot Rem six times, Rem dies > Mina ults, I drain and shoot, she dies > Bebop arrives, I ult him and then shoot him to death > Haze comes in, misses a knife, and then immediately turns and runs
>(Infernus Kill) Get the fuck off my streets before I make you taste the pavement, nigxian >(Ivy Kill) Shoulda stayed in the kitchen counting beans, wet-back piece of shit >(Abrahams Kill) Hey, Abrahams, the zoo called. They want their gorilla back >(Mina Kill) Blood? Really? Is there ANYTHING chinks won't eat? >(McGinnis Kill) Why don't you go back to the kitchen and build me a sandwich? ... who approved these Billy lines?
>make victors 1 and 2 and 3 so bad you genuinely have 0 reason to even hit them after lane except to proc items >he still decides the entire game if you ignore him only this time he shoots while ignoring the team instead of 1v6ing your team and then taking the tower truly unmoggable
>>566779826 The problem is the new ult, **in a sense** it's objectively the best ult in the game, cause you can never use it badly no matter what, even a dynamo can miss if someone is retarded enough, or he can be stunned out of it, but victor's ult is retard proof and always valuable that was always fine cause of the rest of the kit and cause of it's long cooldown but now he gets it on a really fucked up low cooldown and gets a huge gun buff when it's down, for reference his gun has more base damage then venator's gun but it now deals spirit damage too, and the whole thing about it being fine cause of the rest of his kit is meaningless when no one specs into spirit giving him >one constant free movment and dash slow, another ranged slow, a free rejuv that wastes the dashes of all enemies near you stuns them and deals damage to them, and a mercurial magnum when you procc the rejuv all for free, at least if he's building spirit we can pretend he's hurting himself a little but right now people would rather cheat the system and bypass all of that, honestly they should change the ult and then gut the gun, i know they're trying to force victor players to aim but that's retarded and creates situations like this, he's THE retard hero no need to buff his gun imo especially when it overshadows his kit and the way he was meant to be played
>>566781502 >Zero spirit resistance Anon... and no, Dispel Magic doesn't really work. Though to be fair the McGuiness was the one who lost you the game if she fed infernus
>>566733314 It took me 9 wins in a row to go from ass 2 to 3. I don't even know why. I barely made it into the Celeste leaderboards too. Guess who I am
>>566782708 Yeah I maxxed flask and I think I maxxed cage, then put 2 points each into my shield and ult. I was doing okay for a while and even got on a killstreak but then I got killed by Infernus and everything snowballed out of control
>>566781502 The first thing you want to do against an Infernus like that is get Plated Armor. A DoT build Infernus can't afford a slot for Armor Piercing Rounds, and that's going to effectively double the ammo he's going to need to use to achieve an ignite. That goes double because they have Haze.
Once you have that, you want Juggernaut and Suppressor. Infernus needs his fire rate, and having it lowered makes him much less of a threat especially when combined with Plated Armor. Juggernaut builds off Enduring Speed, so that doesn't take a slot and is a free counterbuy.
Just having that is probably enough (when combined with your silence) to kill him before he can do anything. If you add spirit resistance to that (Silencer would be great for that since it buffs your gun and adds spirit resist) he's going to have a miserable time dealing with you.
>>566733314 I've never played real Deadlock. I strictly BROOOOOOOOL. If I wanted to play Dota I'd just queue up for Dota, that's where my favorite heroes and best hats are.
>>566781220 >now he gets it on a really fucked up low cooldown and gets a huge gun buff when it's down the only recent patch that gave him -30 on ult cooldown also nerfed his gun, when he was getting nerfed every single patch for months before that outside of putting that perk that nobody ever took on his ult to t1
>>566783773 >Overwatch woke tier or Marvel Rivals porn tier? Hopefully they will not be on the chinkslop spectrum at all and will simply be good and fitting skins, like early TF2 and Dota skins. But that won't last long and Dota gets chink pandering all the time, sadly.
>>566783773 Valve never goes too hard on coom skins but they aren't super puritan either. it'll probably go off the rails 3 years in the game once the community skins start flooding in.
Enemy team Celeste: >MovementGAWD, has spent 100 hours practicing perfect urn delivery, does urns the moment they're available, impossible to catch My team's Celeste: >Doesn't know what movement is, never touches urn
>>566783598 her guns fun if you get the 4.8k breakpoint and proceed on spirit as more of a supplementary but yeah gun ginnis does not keep up if you build just oranges
is there such thing as a good abrams players? i swear all the people that pick this guy are braindead. i haven't seen one play well in what feels like forever.
>>566784752 I managed to out duel a (bad) vindicta the other day because she insisted on flying while trying to do it meaning she had no cover, so even though most of my bullets missed plenty of them found their mark. Was really funny.
this is how you gun ginnis everything up until leech is left to right and all the items past that is still mostly untested because even in babby e2-3 games they mostly end before you can get that far so I still need to do a lot more testing but if this can work in my games it can work in yours and you don't need to be stuck only playing ult bot 1 point in wall for dmg amp then max turret>wall>heal don't cast your ult basically ever it has rarely utility or maybe right as you get it but with full gun ulting is inting
>before: you need 4v1 to go against late game victor or he kills everyone >now: you need 4v1 to go against victor after 10 minutes or he will take any walker/shrine for free, also he can do this every 30 seconds
The answer to Deadlock's problems? Timers. People live for timers. Countdowns. Meters. Whatever you want to make them. People say the game lacks midgame objectives: give them timers. Look how people obsess over urn runs, sinner timings, box runs, and so on. Half of Dota for 1-2/5th of a team is laboriously pulling creeps for stacking and placing vision. There needs to be more things ticking down. More objectives that need doing. More audio cues binging, banging, and bonging. Any deficiency in game design or matchmaking quality is very easily disguised by a new gizmo or task to distract a player. Embrace the roulette wheel.
>>566786417 What is their plan with this character? >Spirit Graves becomes decent >Destroyed next patch >Graves moves to gun to cope >Destroyed next patch What's the character suppose to be good at then? I don't get it.
900+ hours of playing, learning from the pros whenever I can, applying my learned skills in every match, and because this matchmaking is pure dogshit, I still only manage to derank. Thanks Yoshi, your game sucks ass.
>>566786417 Remove her autoaim and give her a beam. Restore T5 Grasping Hands to 2 ghouls summoned. Revert how essence theft already interacted with summons, and the new T5 for it would be stealing 2% max hp.
>>566791049 I would keep her gun as is, i think its fine for her to have a trash gun that basically only applies on-hit effects, what i really want is for them to actually buff the spirit side of her kit, make her feel like an actual summoner. Two ghouls on wall was cool like you said, but do something else. Maybe give her 3 stam so she doesn't get farmed like a creep by 80% of the cast, increase the zombie explosion height so people can't double jump over them and take zero damage, the main problem then becomes the skulls because they're an ability that just doesn't work if the enemy team is decent. They should either be more difficult to kill like Weaver's insect in Dota where you have to stop what you're doing in the middle of a fight and actually dedicate time to take them down, or just make them straight up indestructible but nerf the damage considerably to make up for it. The one-shottable skulls we currently have are just too shit to base an entire build around.
>>566791049 They need to fix her 1 so it's not hot garbage first. Beam would be okay if they implemented it like Kelvin's beam that spawn additional beams at the end, like her previous T3 3, but I think Yoshi wants to lean on something like Geist's tether for her. Maybe giving her 3 an active effect would be cool though.
Genuinely how do people have fun in this game. 30% of games are stomps cause your team doesnt even play the game they just do random shit until the game is over never working together. The other 30% there's a blatant smurf being a lobby admin via autistic farming and insane aim/movement.
>>566790719 You gotta remember the game is in closed alpha. People will say it's really not, but it is. The only thing devs care about now is making sure basic gameplay works. User experience comes later, like open beta later. The rank system is heavily flawed, matchmaking is barebones, characters are unbalanced. At the end of the day we are TESTING a (pretty fun) game. You shouldn't care about anything in this game except having fun. If you can only have fun when you win, then all you can do is focus on your personal improvement.
>>566791685 Make the skulls explode on being destroyed. It forces people to shoot them when she summons them or risk having them explode on someone as one of their teammates shoot them while they're hitting someone.
>>566792032 I farm for 12-16 minutes until I get ricochet then I clear the entire map buy more items then I solo midboss and mow everyone down, very fun :D
>>566786164 Hidden King is Anarchist Nature Arch Mother is.. Sacred Geometry? I sorta get that it's supposed to be shamanism versus wizardry in terms of mysticism but it's not really clear cut with arch mother. She's clearly not civilization or order because that ritual is destructive and chaotic
>>566792494 The retards in this thread are literally, and i genuinely mean literally, the only people in the entire community that downplay Silver. You ask genuinely anywhere else, pros, high ranks, reddit, discord, whatever, everyone is going to say Silver is really good. I mean at this point i assume saying Silver is bad is just a meme people are perpetuating for fun here
>>566793239 See shit like this is why i think its just a meme. She's literally first picked first banned in almost every single competitive game for the past two months. What more evidence do you want? But at the same time i frequent these threads so i know you're going to reply with something like "the pros are wrong". Is this meme actually funny? What dooes perpetuating this accomplish? At least the parry guy is kind of funny in how absurd he is.
>>566789930 valve just needs to stop listening to the bitch in their ear complaining about everything they keep listening to players who want to play Overwatch with extra steps the auto-aim easy character being decent isn't going to end the world and people complain about her when she's bad anyway so it's not like anything would change
>>566793657 And her performance has been mediocre at best, the meme is that the "pros" are obsessed with the hero for no reason. Pros do this shit in every game, they get obsessed with a random character or weapon and overuse it without it ever really paying off, like how they constantly picked Doom in Dota and barely maintained a 33% winrate. In Deadlock the "pro" scene is extremely tiny, like not even 50 people, which means the pool of played heroes will be heavily skewed which makes it even funnier. And yes, parries are bullshit and should be nerfed.
>>566794016 Yeah i guess its my fault. Its just that sometimes i just really wonder why people obcess about a specific meme like this, makes me want to understand what they're thinking
>>566794497 Often the mentally ill keep coming back to a general for months on end, for practical purposes it bumps the thread. It's a meme, shitpost, bump, topicstarter, ritualpost & ragebait all in one. That's my understanding anyway.
>>566794078 characters need to be weird and unique we can't stamp down a character because they can maybe spam at a walker or every character is going to have a press R to teamfight or get a kill ult and fuck that design
>>566791049 >Remove her autoaim This already backfired horribly with victor we're not doing it again, if they remove the autoaim(lots of work btw which they're not gonna do any time soon, if we're being realistic) they'll do one of two things, either buff it as they should where it gets 3 or 4 times the range, 2 or 3 times the damage, and like 1.5 the ammo, and if that's broken then congrats, graves is a gun hero that outdamages wraith without using abilities again and everyone will complain about her same way they do victor and the same way they always did complain about graves "b....but no autoaim?!" doesn't matter, aiming was never the problem people just used the autoaim insult cause it's a low hanging fruit, the other possibility is that they buff the gun but still keep it shit, which would just destroy graves beyond recovery, as is she's barely filling a niche, if they take away the only part of her kit that makes her even remotely viable then she'll be the worst hero in the game with everyone just giving up on her "b..b.bbbut no autoaim?!" again, it won't matter as people who hate graves will simply throw insults saying that she's a noob hero that was abandoned when the autoaim was removed, arguing in bad faith. >and the new T5 for it would be stealing 2% max hp. case in point, giving graves a free siphon life would make her cancer and take us back to square one, especially if she builds siphon life and now steals 4.5% max hp every tick, the community won't let this fly >>566791685 >if the enemy team is decent Not even that lmao, graves as a hero is the most counterable hero in the game, her kit has so much counter play built into it, it's not even funny, the skulls are the biggest offender, they get countered by >melee hits >gun shots >walls >veils >walking away >dashing away and even if you don't do any of that and stand still, if graves throws skulls at you sometiems two skulls will fly into the air and stay in place until they despawn
>starting larping as Billy because I'm bored >Vyper on my team also larping >we get fed as fuck >start calling shots while Vyper magdumps everything to death >"vyper ventilate that nigger" >"Yes daddy" >teamwipe >hard as rock during the whole ordeal I'm fucking losing it
Graves zombies should only seek out players and they should be able to find them even if there's no vision of them so you can follow the zombies to find enemies
>get to oracle V with Doorman >stop playing for a week >come back >Doorman is now banned in 90% of my games and I'm forced to play some other characters Did I miss something? He's not even that good.
>>566799693 Some e6 players put him high in their tierlists so now all their followers are banning him. Also he's just annoying as shit to play against.
>>566799693 Doorman is the most banned hero in the game with around 13% ban-rate. Personally I think that indomitable has made it somewhat bearable so now it's just banning Dynamo, Mina or Victor depending on the mood.
>>566798315 Get a new voice actor whenever he ults it just sounds like a 40 year old Disney Adult putting on a goo goo gaa gaa voice MAH TOES A CURLING FROM THIS CRINGE
"Pros fight over her" is not a good argument for whether Silver is good or bad. We're in what amounts to the preseason of a semi-closed beta, the playerbase is the most dogshit that it's ever going to be.
>>566801070 Guns still scale better (but slightly worse) however since most matches are decided by minute 20 spirit coming online faster means gun has less chance to have impact.
This Apollo had 11 hours into the game and caused me to die 4 times during lane, yet me and Infernus still managed to carry this lame ass team, I hate being an Archon IV shitter, I hope that when I reach Oracle this sort of thing doesn't happen anymore
>>566799693 he is a jungle god that can steal all of your resources without getting a scratch he is annoying as fuck in both pisslow and high elo games I once saw a Doorman go 26/0. that is how fucked Doorman can truly be at times you just don't get it until you go up against a Doorman one-trick that mains the hell out of him and is absolute cancer to deal with
>>566798180 because despite what winrates say, Seven is the most tolerable hypercarry in the game it honestly feels like he has a good amount of counterplay to him WARDEN on the other hand...
>>566799693 Yes, they buffed bell repeatedly and it now does like 1500dmg for some reason, he is insanely broken, it's crazy they haven't hotfixed it already
When I reach ritualist 2, the game starts to put me against players that are obviously way better than me, but my teammates aren't as good as them, making me drop to archanist 5, where I carry and go back up to ritualist 2. I've been at this dance for like a month. Never played mobas, is this the game's way of telling me I'm supposed to stay in archanist?
I always do really well when I play vyper but when she's in the enemy team I don't struggle against her, are my enemies just retarded and don't itemize against me or what
>>566802293 Part of playing Vyper well is watching who to play around and who to rape to death. Problem is your average retard doesn't even look at the enemy teams items, little less plan around them.
>>566799693 Combination of two factors: First, they nerfed HP pools so bells are hitting quite hard. Second and most important, people just finally realized that the kidnap build is complete dogshit and are actually playing him properly
6 games today, all games had 0/10 feeders on my or the enemy team. all games are stomps. i feel this is because the game only has like 50k players now so the matchmaker puts random people of different rank together. anyways going back to dota for now will return with the next big update
>>566802192 That's almost certainly true but it still has no bearing on whether Silver is good or bad, the pros are the most dogshit they're ever going to be as well
>>566804546 >That's almost certainly true Therefore they're right when they say silver is currently uber broken >B-B-But they're gonna be washed up in 10 years! Geeg silver trannies really be retarded.
What did Valve do differently with Deadlock that makes its character designs so much more interesting than Dota The main reason I never got into Dota was because out of the 100+ characters there wasn't a single one that stood out to me, that made me think "Oh this guy looks cool I wanna play him" Deadlock on the other hand, I've had a "Oh this guy looks cool" moment for almost half the cast just based on their designs and personalities alone Is it literally just the fact that the 40's Americana/Leyendecker art style is so fresh as opposed to being just another fantasy or sci-fi game?
So Valve servers were constantly kicking me out, and I got an abandon but I came back and won the game. The matches screen shows that I have a win, does it still count as a loss?
>>566805283 >What did Valve do differently with Deadlock that makes its character designs so much more interesting than Dota they actually designed them instead of going >ok so how do we make something like this warcraft 3 model without blizzard winning when they sue us over this game
>>566805283 because some things in dota try to ape wc3 looks and other never changed the original idea of tribes duking it out (like juggernaut) so it formed this salad of designs where some stand out in a good way, others not so much and morphling
>permanently getting dived 1v4 in brawl >"it's cause you're feeding them" I'm literally standing next to my team and dying instantly, can you like, actually see that the enemy is causing the issue?
Phantom lobbies are very funny because i was in a Phantom V lobby just now and the enemy team had an Eternus 3 Vicous playing splatter build who went 17/3
>>566763104 You so much more damage proccing headhunter + rapid recharge to constantly reapply the damage buff on your m1 than you do going for a slam + flog at medium height. It's a no brainer people build it now. Only reason why you wouldn't build "gun-lash" (Read: Lash with QSR + MS + RR + HH) is if you're rushing refresher + unstop with reverb to become an ultbot for picks and to apply reverb with slam repeatedly.
>Entire enemy team is either very heavy spirit or gun focused. >Nobody buys counter items >Get flamed for telling them to Every single time. Just had a game where the entire enemy team build around guns and nobody besides me got anything for it. Hell, one guy got a fucking spellbreaker. This is oracle btw.
>>566805283 Dota's characters are 85% legally distinct Warcraft 3 models. They have very little personality or flair that helps them stand out from the heaps of other fantasy guys that look exactly like them, including the WC3 models they're ripped from. It's just a big ball of fantasy classes and archetypes, every guy is exactly the archetype are on their face played completely straight with nothing extra. If you've dived into fantasy games or books you've seen them all before.
I wish people would stop picking Graves and Rem. Like i know its important to have fun and play whoever you like but you're really not doing yourself any favors and certainly not doing the five other people on your team any favores. I love playing Graves and i gave up on her until next patch.
>be me, Abrams >for some reason an infernus is talking shit to my team >buy witchmail >he can no longer play the game >finally stops yapping >win At long last I finally see what this cock can do
i would rather have 5 other graves on my team over even one holliday absolute dogshit "hero" and the worst part is her abilities don't even make any sense like what do jump pads and barrels have to do with cowboys
>>566802234 (Currently oracle 2) I've been there when playing archon, I was getting to oracle 1 and dropping to archon 5 game after game. Teamates can and will be insufferable, especially when You see Russians in your team then it's automatic loss. As to Your problem if you're playing solo You should either focus to play one character to really get used to them and do your best. You won't change the fact, that 3 braincell idiot despite great lanning is gonna chase enemy and get jumped 6 times, it's the part of 'team game' that is the problem. You're getting to rank where counter buying is getting important so think of running some greens and purple counters yourself, silence wave can be deceptively good... Other way for You would be to have a friend in higher rank. I play with friend in phantom 2-3 and I get matched with overall rank of phantom 1 and there are usually more competent players. So yeah either take time master character(s), parkour or join higher up. You can always join vc on discord if you're not scared. There's whole teams ready for matches. Gl tho
>>566809216 If you show entire hero roster to somebody who never played the game, they will probably be able to distinguish heroes that were created exclusively for Dota 2. Like Marci and Snap
>>566810332 I don't care, still retard >It's just a big ball of fantasy classes and archetypes, every guy is exactly the archetype are on their face played completely straight with nothing extra. Did you need me to point to the precise retard part? I would have thought you'd get the retardation
Victor still being able to just rush shrines. Why the fuck havent they patched this shit, Its just the new dash fernus. They actually have to think why this happens not just slap a cheap fix on like -50% obj dmg. Make him have to KILL THE FUCKING BASE GUARDIANS
I think the worst kind of player to play with has to be the guy who where you make a call like "go for urn, fight this, we gotta contest", it doesn't work out and they type for the first time in the match to be like "wow what a shit call". And its more often than not a kda champion who goes like 4/0/2 in a 30 minute game and goes "well its not MY fault we lost, my score is positive", yeah bro you weren't even playing. Either open your mic and say the call isn't good or make another call yourself, or shut the fuck up
>>566805657 >furnigger >sonictroon You really made his point lmao, and you have to die with your fellow furfag newcancer. >>566805823 That means you, newcancer! Kill yourself.
>Vindicta ziplining back from pushing to our base >Crackshot her and land another bodyshot with opening rounds and weakening headshot >She doesn't get knocked down Holliday is actually pathetic
