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>>3977348
>Sea edition
I love the sea!

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1.5 months till the new xeno is revealed

Xenogears a shit

>>3977348
I got like 15 hours through Xenosaga. No offence but it is an awful game.
It is an incredibly slow, ugly (and this isn't a "oh it's a 20 year old game" thing, it was ugly in 2002 when it came out), unfun, and tedious game that feels like it was shipped out half a year before it should have with how unfinished every single aspect of it feels like.

>>3977419
XS2 is like that too. You gotta put up with it (or just watch on youtube) if you want to get to XS3 though

>>3977384
How do you know this

>>3977437
switch 1 xenoblade reveal/release cadence

>>3977437
He had a vision

>>3977419
idk i think it looked pretty good emulated in 4k
also the gameplay gets interesting only in the latter half, if not the latter quarter depending on whether you read up how to navigate the system

>>3977420
nah xs2 is way worse
XS3 is the best one though yeah, it sucks they had to basically give up on their original ideas and going back to the tried and true final fantasy formula. Like i still think XS1 has a pretty cool system all things considered, and XS2 main fault is that they completely forgot about aoe attacks so mob fights are a ballbusting drag, but boss fights can be cool (if you make peace with having to waste the first few turns just boosting, which yeah could be done better)

>>3977437
uncle works for nintendo

Damn I was wondering about all the rushed disc 2 comments and now im finally here. They really wasted all their dev time making shit tournament arcs for disc 1 instead of focusing on the actual story which is in disc 2

>>3977616
Enjoy the Powerpoint presentation! And definitely enjoy the CBT final dungeon!

>>3977643
PowerPoint when disc 2 has 4 dungeons?>>3977616
We don't know how development went

The chair arc is absolute kino

>>3977709
>toilet
This game is a bowel movement

>>3977384
Don't care unless they finally stop pumping out shit and make good games again.

>>3977787
https://youtube.com/watch?v=FL1lwTmZdiA
Here’s your remake and it’s only chances

>>3977790
Awful AI gen and of course they had to imagine it as open world slop.

>>3977643
I mean im enjoying the story a lot more than in disc 1, imagine what could've been
>>3977687
Regardless a remake should cut out a lot of the garbage in the 1st half of disc 1, and flesh out the 2nd, which is what they should've thought about in the 1st place

>>3977815
That isn’t even vaguely close to any locations in Gears

>>3977830
Yeah, because it's AI generated shit.

>>3977836
Proves that even at its most refined, it fails.

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massive damage, hehe

>>3977787
they did that starting with xenoblade 1

>>3978428
Could've fooled me. Xenoblade 1 was shit.

>>3978258
What GPU are you using? That whole area is fucked on my budget GPU. Was planning on upgrading at some point but been putting it off for years now.

>>3978622
RX 7600 with Vulkan high accuracy on Loonix & latest Eden git. It uses about 40-50W out of 145W TDP on the GPU so you don't really need high end hardware.
I was wrong when posting about how to upscale without graphics going haywire in the previous thread. The "2x Super Sampling" mod was consistently shitting the bed after I cleared my shader cache for autistic reasons just after posting. "2K - xc3-friends - v2" used in this new screenshot works much better but I still had one vertex explosion at the end of a dialog scene transitioning back into party controlled gameplay within ~10 hours of playtime. It's usually one of the character models spazzing out and can sometimes be fixed by changing costumes and teleporting around the map without having to resort to restarting emulation.
I don't think it's the GPU specifically but the Vulkan renderer in yuzu based emulators having problems with specific combinations of settings and mods when there's no cached shader available. Disabling async shader compilation however didn't fix it and the vertex explosions are probably related to async presentation which wasn't a user setting in Eden until recently (it was a setting in yuzu and then was removed before the forking iirc). Disabling async presentation however slows shit down way too much.
Use "2K - xc3-friends - v2", quicksave often so you can restart the emulator in case a cutscene blows up and hope for the best.

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I stood up and clapped.

>>3978807
>AI gets good enough someone shits out a remake of it
Will you play it?

Finally finished gears. Great game. My tier list is now
>S tier: blade 1
>A tier: gears, saga 1, blade 2, blade x
>D tier: blade 3
Im curious how bad saga 2 really is. So far that intro with chaos and canaan has been awesome

>>3979271
Episode 2 has some of the best and interesting cutscenes, its just the gameplay that holds it back.

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HOLY SHIT MY SIDES

*Major XBC3 spoilers*

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>>3979603
This breakdown was, dare I say it.....golden.

>>3979608
>man who was cucked to death

>>3979646
>>3979608
>>3979603
What is it with Takahashi and cuckshit, man

>>3979271
saga 2 only two issues are the character design (which they changed back in saga 3) and the gameplay, and even then the gameplay is not unsalvageable, it just needed some more time to fix some clear "we didn't have time to playtest it" issues.
And i guess there's a third optional issue, which is that all characters can potentially unlock every ability in the game if you grind points, iirc they all start out with different ones unlocked but ultimately they all have the same "skill tree"

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>>3979603

And still better than any Xeno game before except Episode III

>>3979271
Episode I and X are E and Episode II is F

>Graphics:
BladeX=Blade2=Blade3 > Saga3 > Blade1 > Saga2 > Saga1 >> Gears
>Character Design:
Gears > Saga3 > Blade3 > Blade1 > BladeX > Saga1=Saga2=Blade2
>Mecha Design:
Saga3=Saga2 > Blade3 > Gears > Blade1 > Saga1=Blade2 > BladeX
>Exploration:
BladeX > Blade2 > Blade1 > Blade3 > Gears > Saga3 > Saga1=Saga2
>Combat:
Gears=Saga1=Saga2=Saga3=Blade1=Blade2 > Blade3 > BladeX
>Story (potential):
Saga > Gears >> BladeX > Blade1 = Blade2 = Blade3
>Story (actual):
Gears > Blade1 > Blade2 > Blade3 > Saga >> BladeX
>Characters:
Saga > Gears > Blade2 > Blade3 > Blade1 > BladeX

>OVERALL:
Blade1 > Gears > Blade2 > Saga3=Blade3 > Blade X > Saga1 > Saga2

>>3977815
>OW is... le BAD
Fuck off, Xenogears' story coupled with Xenoblade X's open-world would be the single best videogame ever made in human history, and by a huge margin
(as long as they don't make it AIslop of course)

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>>3979836
>Graphics
>Gears that low
Gears has some of the best spritwork from that generation, animation wise. Wish I had made some webms when I first played Gears.

>>3979653
Sora ruined his original idea

>>3979842
Xenogears a shit

>>3979836
>saga 1's AWGS not at the absolute bottom of mecha design
>XCX at the bottom
oh shit what are you doing

>>3979603
Glad you enjoyed it. But after this, the story sadly hit its lowest point.

>>3979842
Because nothing is more thrilling than spending hours trudging across empty landscape. It wouldn't be as bad if there was actually stuff to do in the open world, but Xenoblade repeatedly fails on that front.

wise man once say Xenogears a shit

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I swear this game makes me hate flutes with a passion.

>>3980504
Fweeeeeee

>>3980504
I love the flutes, especially when it's used in battle themes like Moebius M and Keves Battle

>>3980332
There has never been a good open world.

>>3981066
All the more reason why Monolith Soft needs to abandon it and focus more on returning to gameplay that's actually good and writing that isn't shit. Stop building big empty spaces and fix the real problems with Xenoblade.

>>3980332
>Because nothing is more thrilling than spending hours trudging across empty landscape.
Ah yes, I suppose it's much more thrilling spending them blankly staring at black screens as you transition from one copy-pasted corridor to another.

>It wouldn't be as bad if there was actually stuff to do in the open world, but Xenoblade repeatedly fails on that front.
Play the fucking games before talking. There is literally no videogame in existence that is more densely packed with stuff to do than Xenoblade Chronicles X. Even the fucking desert area has more stuff in it than an average area from an average non-ow game.

>There has never been a good open world.
True, but that's entirely because developers think as long as they have a good OW, they can safely dismiss anything else. Open world games are mediocre *DESPITE* being ow, never *because* of it.

>All the more reason why Monolith Soft needs to abandon it
They already abandoned it in 2, and guess what? It was a huge step backwards. There are much more "empty" places in 2 and 3 than there are in X.

>Stop building big empty spaces and fix the real problems with Xenoblade.
The open world was literally the only redeeming factor about Xenoblade Chronicles X. If you took it out, you wouldn't fix anything, on the contrary you would only turn it from mediocre to downright garbage.

>>3981215
>True, but that's entirely because
(meant for >>3981066)
>They already abandoned it
>The open world was
(meant for >>3981118)

>>3981215
>Play the fucking games before talking.
I've played three of them. I made it through 9 chapters of X before dropping it because I was bored out of my skull. The only thing to do in that open world was kill shit and place probes and the combat fucking sucked ass. They need to drop the MMO-styled garbage and learn to write a real fucking story again.

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>>3980972

I just started xenogears and played about 6 hours, you faggots are completely retarded. it truly isn't a game, the areas are like 3 rooms with no geometry that are only difficult to navigate because of the fucking retarded camera. what the fuck am I playing? are there actual areas in this game?

>>3981412
I don't know if you realized this before playing, but this is a JRPG. That's pretty standard fare.

>>3981118
Shit can’t be fixed anon, it happens

>>3981412
The visual form of interactive dysentery

>>3980502
he was senile

>>3981550
The original is dead

Personally, I’m a very big fan of Eunie’s fat fucking ass

>>3979603
All downhill from there though
FR is good though

>>3979603
Congratulations, you reached the apex of the game.

>>3979653
the Squaresoft alumni probably read too much tragikino books during the 80s and 90s

>>3977437
June Direct rumors looks likely and there's that chink XB4 rumor.

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>>3981694
Playing XBC3 honestly made me want a ocean world type open world Xeno game. I'd love to see an interesting take on Wind Waker from this series but instead of a bunch of small island you have more giant land masses and continents. The ocean wouldn't be empty either and would be full of life like various monsters at different levels while you and your party could hop out the ship and fight them whenever you wanted. Pretty much the same as chapter 5 in XBC3 except bigger and more stuff to do.

This was what I was hoping XBC2 was gonna be like with the cloud sea. That was such a waste of a interesting set piece.

>>3981118
Man, fuck off. I do NOT want the return of FFX-style corridor campaigns where all you can expect are a handful of good dungeons and a solid combat system. I like expansive worlds. They give a nice bit of breathing room in between all the lengthy cutscenes in most of this series.

>>3981718
At least you got a solid combat system in FFX. That's more than Xenoblade offers.

Where the fuck are the switch 2 versions for the blade trilogy?

>>3981709
erythia was wind waker's great sea done right. FUCK the great sea

>>3981726
lol no, X's combat system is worse than every xeno game except saga 1/2 and maybe gears. Most overrated jRPG combat of all time

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A couple of days ago I just finished Future Redeemed and with it, the whole Xenoblade series.

Man what a ride, I feel like I played something special. If I had to rank them all it'd be:

XB 1 > FR > Torna > X > XB 2 >FC > XB 3

But really it's a franchise where the "worst" game is a solid 7,5/10 leaning to 8.
Wish I could erase my memory to play XB1 for the first time again.

>>3981840
Xenoblade's combat is fucking trash.

>>3981856
Much better than FFX's mindless drivel

>>3981850
Nice. Glad you liked it. I'll be honest, I didn't play X and couldn't finish 2 due to hating the gameplay, but I truly love 1, 3 and FR.
Can't wait for 4

>>3981871
Please give Torna a chance, it's everything 2 should've been.
Granted the game assumes you know what's going with 2 but at this point I assume you know all of it already. Torna made me forgive 2.

>>3981875
>Please give Torna a chance, it's everything 2 should've been.
no, vanguard arts and talent arts returning are nice but the customization/party building is largely gutted. Making orb master a default mechanic was a big mistake as well, nevermind the forced side quests

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>>3981887
>nevermind the forced side quests
Yeah those sucked, ngl, but overall I welcomed how flexible the orb combos were here after how rigid they were in base 2. Hated feeling forced to use super specific blade combinations and hope to be able to break the orbs (the gacha didn't really help me to be able to make the builds the game expected me to make for the superbosses)

Like yeah I know the story Rare Blades the game hands you are in theory "enough" to get the full bursts but if you want a chance at the super bosses you better start praying to RNGesus. The game never gave me KOS-MOS but at least I got T-elos with glasses so it's all good.

Now I remember the DLC also gives you Shulk and Elma, I wonder how much of a help are they and if it's too much of a drag to get them.

>>3981892
the lack of blade combo paths and orb master on everyone by default makes torna a more spammy game than base 2, proper art usage is emphasized far less

>Shulk and Elma
Fiora is better than both of them but you basically can't get any of them outside of the challenge arena until you're near end game due to the challenges associated with unlocking them

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>>3981895
I think that's precisely the reason, sometimes I don't like having to think too much. It really depends on my mood, somedays I want to carefully plan my Blade compositions to achieve the beeg damage number and sometimes I just want to outright see it.

How are the Xenosaga games?

I prefer the old character models in xenoblade 1. I know lots of people think they are ugly but I really like them. The new ones just look generic to me.

>>3981907
Pretty much nothing like XC gameplay-wise.

>>3981907
Xenosaga 1/2 have fucked up gameplay but the stories build up to something good in 3 (also don't miss out on pied piper/missing year's stories). Saga 3 is genuinely fun and a great conclusion to the arc

>>3981907
>How are the Xenosaga games?

Better than Xenoblade in every conceivable way.

>>3981959
More consistent to the original plan

>>3981907
>>3981953
>>3981959
>>3981994

I played through the first third or half of Xenosaga 1 as a teen. I remember loving the story, not sure how I felt about the gameplay, but it felt like watching a show with the long cutscenes they threw at you and thus I dropped it. I'm willing to pick it back up again, because Xenogears was and still is one of my favorite JRPG stories, and Xenosaga felt like it would add to that world.

I don't know if they connect at all. No spoiies anons, but... do they?

>>3982004
They don't connect in any canon way. Xenosaga is its own thing. It's a spiritual successor, not a sequel.

>>3982006
Saga was a restart that Takahashi et al did that was basically Xenogears Ep. I. It was to tell the story of the Galactic Civ that the Eldridge came from

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>>3981907
More serious and closer to Gears in terms of story, tone, and characters than anything from the Blade series. Gameplay is nothing like the Blade series either and is your usual turnbase jrpg but with some battle system twist. Also LOTS of long cutscenes, this was the movie game series of 6th gen. If I had to compare the series to anime Gears was like your late 90's mecha anime, Saga is like you mid 2000's space opera anime, and Blade is like your modern manlet seasonal shounen. Completely different genres basically. If you aren't into older shows like that then I wouldn't bother. Saga especially is like a 24+episode anime from the early 2000's in video game form.

If you're still interested in Saga be sure to only get the undub uncensored ISO if you do pick it up. 1st episode starts out pretty slow and has a lot of world building and info dump, even has a term menu to look up new terms in case you forget, and gets really weird and confusing at times but the later episodes go into more details with the last episode warping up everything and painting the full picture. Gameplay wise each episode change up the battle system with episode 3 feeling like they finally got it right.

Episode 2 is the biggest filter because its mostly side quests with chunks of story in between, only thing that's similar to Blade I guess but worst. These quest can be permanently missed if done wrong or even failed but you have to save for either to be an issue. The battle system change in Episode 2 is also not a lot of people's favorite.

The games had flaws but playing them for the first time last year, I was pretty blown away at a lot of little details the games were pulling off. In cutscenes, when a character gets hurt, you're going to see the damage. I've played modern games where a character is literally burned all over and their clothes are still in tacked. They almost never change the models for something simple in modern games. I think 6th gens used to always been like that

When they ar done with Xenoblade, I hope someday they get the chance to remake Gears and Saga.
Though it would never happen and be like the FF7 remakes if it was.

>>3981887
>no, vanguard arts and talent arts returning are nice but the customization/party building is largely gutted
Tbh, that is the case for FR too. Its just the consequence of being a smaller DLC.

What I like in 3 is how the "Monado" was a super mode instead of being the main weapon. It feels more appropriate, and explain why Noah could still lose despite having a "god sword".

>>3982014
Episode 1 database was so kino

>>3982086
Episode 3's database is fucking awesome because it just casually drops that the majority of the population live in pods eating government gruel doing vr all day and that having any sort of employment at all makes you at least a local celebrity

>>3982094
it also starts talking about whether MOMO can get pregnant or not completely unprompted

Oh my fucking god saga 2s combat is complete utter trash but everything else about the game is so good. Do you know of any guide that explains it as best they can? The forest near the gas station is kicking my ass. I don't understand zones or how to do double atks, or when to stock up. Enemies 2 shot me, so stocking up feels like a waste of a turn

>>3982998
The easiest way to play the game is to have MOMO cast Ether Sword to give herself a massive attack buff and then match her element to the enemy's elemental weakness. Have your other party members break their shield and then have momo unleash.
Easiest party in my opinion Is KOSU-MOSU, Jin and MOMO.

>>3982998
>or when to stock up
all the time. I'm not joking, you spend your first few turns always stocking up, and then do whatever. It works wonderfully for bosses, especially the one you're about to meet (i remember it kicking my ass the first time, then i tried again by stocking up first and straight up mauled him in one single turn)
you'll also eventually learn abilities that restore ether points and whatever else when you stock up, making stocking up constantly an even more important part of the gameplay
also, unironically, you should just avoid fights and cheat in skill points, cause fighting mooks in this game is brain rotting

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bird butt

>>3983077
I don't have Jin yet but with those two plus jr, i've been getting by a lot better now. I just hope I can pull off double attacks cause I really wanna see their moves together
>>3983083
I'm definitely gonna be stocking up 1st thing now. I killed the boss 1st try stocking up and comboing the hell out of it with Jr and kos mos. The combat is actually kinda fun against bosses, its the mobs that drag it down so hard

I think I just captured irrefutable proof that Ouroboros are racist:
https://files.catbox.moe/wocsbf.mp4

>>3983321
What did Taion meant by this?

>>3982038
FR did it better because there was more customization with specific fusion art combos and party finishers, despite not being as customizable as the base game

i know Xenosaga is linear but do they have any optional stuff at all?

>>3983772
There are a few superbosses

>>3983726
I wouldn't know since I have never played Torna. However, I think FR did a lot of things right, like the progression tied to the collectopedia or Smash and Burst being gated behind super moves.

>>3983772
Episode 1 has a ton of minigames that are totally optional, it has its own virtua on clone and a giant casino you are never even required to use
there aren't many major side quests, closest is assembling the erde kaiser
Episode 2 has no minigames but a shit ton of side quests that range from time wasting to sadistic
it has three post game dungeons that are very high difficulty but have no plot content, just hard fights (and the dark erde kaiser)
Episode 3 has a puzzle game where you pinball the characters around to their deaths repeatedly which can be pretty funny and a few minor side quests here or there, most of which unlock character's final weapons (or the erde kaiser sigma)
it wisely gives out database entries as rewards because they know why we play these games

>>3983228
Very nice bird butt, got anymore?

>>3983772
Its a normal jrpg anon. Not having open worlds isn't going to bite you.

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Feels like I'm reaching the final stretch of XBC3. Don't know if I should continue on or finish off some remaining side quests. I still have a few more classes to uncap. My current party is at around lvl 56 on normal.

>>3984139
>normal
you can get through all the content at that level if you're smart about it

Let me see if I get this right (Spoilers for XC1):
Zanza was inside Arglas AND Shulk at the same time?
He then waited for Shulk to arrive to Prison Island using the excuse of "unlocking" the monado's true power to fully go inside Shulk and wait for the right moment to manifest himself? Apparently Shulk's temporary death is what triggers Zanza physical body at full strength?

>>3984139
I'd suggest AGAINST doing sidequests because they'll make an already looooong game even loooonger and can lead to burnout.
If you must, I suggest to only do yellow sidequests as you find them but don't try to go too out of your way to do so. The Side Stories of all 6 protags are fine tho.

>>3984322
>Zanza was inside Arglas AND Shulk at the same time?
Kinda, yeah, think of Arglas, the Monado and Shulk as three Horcruxes Zanza split a bit of his soul into, or in Kingdom Hearts terms, Arglas and Shulk both got Norted by Zanza
>He then waited for Shulk to arrive to Prison Island using the excuse of "unlocking" the monado's true power to fully go inside Shulk and wait for the right moment to manifest himself?
Yep
>Apparently Shulk's temporary death is what triggers Zanza physical body at full strength?
Basically yes, though personally I think it had more to do with Shulk's body being bombarded by a high quantity of Ether, similar to how High Entia turn into Telethia, than Shulk dying that did the trick. Zanza wanted to wait until Egil/the Mechonis was out of commission before showing himself

>>3984139
You should keep the remaining sidequest for after finishing the game. There is new sidequests that unlock after finishing the story.

>XC1 and 2 arent connected
> they end up connected
> They added unnecesary Lore to 1
> the new Lore from 2 ends up beimg extremely relevant to 1
> The Ares Prime isnt a reference to ouroboros
>Ends up being litterally a 1to1 of Noahs Ouroboros
>X isnt connected
> It litterally ends with a 1to1 of XC3 ending

Truly, this is an endless cycle of people gaslighting themselves into thinking that there arent going to be ramifications of what we see, We are at best 2 years away from Saga Remakes after the Radio in FR.

What the hell is the missing year and how do I access it and what's the best way to experience it? I looked up all xenosaga games and that didn't come up at all. And I clicked the wiki link and it makes no mention of whether it's a game or whatever the hell it is. Just that it released

>>3984583
Just wait until they confirm that the Ares Prime and Ouroboros are all manifestations of the Xenogears

>>3984636
Missing year is just a flash movie between XS 2 and 3, its on YouTube, and yes its canon, its not crucial but it expkains a lot of Shions mental state in XS 3

>>3984583
Planet at the end of xde isnt the same as 3's

>>3984638
Which is a shit.

>>3984665
Wrong, it has an asteroid belt which the XC3 unified world lacked, but Xenogears' planet also had.

>>3984675
XG's planet isn't even a version Earth

>>3984807
And what makes you think the planet at the end of X is?

Apparently, XC3 had an award in Japan. Nice.
>>3984675
>it has an asteroid belt which the XC3 unified world lacked
Araki forgot.

>>3984665
It is the same, the rings were just invisible beacause of the angles, This is something that happens irl and happens litterally the same cutscene we first see those planetary rings in X

And i find funny how people now talk about the rings as if before those same people didnt say that KosMos was the blue light of FR ending ( the White Whale 2 emits a blue light btw )

Atp arguing about rings is at the same level of arguing if FF7R and OG are comepletely different series just beacause chadley exists in Remake.

>>3984861
Thats my point, 3's ending is reformed earth, X de's planet is not earth

>>3984937
Seems like a weird thing to exclude considering that was right before DE

>>3984948

>Right before
Two years isnt "right before" lmao.

>Seems weird
Doesnt matter, my point is that every reason anyone could have to argue that its a different planet is obnoxious and heavely relies on shenanigans than any meaningful argument, You and i cannot know why they decided to add rings, The point is that it still can be the same planet, especially when rings can form and disappear from a planet easilly and a planet that was formed by using a Mater that alters realitty itself ( ether ) is not a stretch to assume that the rings formed recently beacause of the union of both worlds.

A planet of shit?

>>3984937
>And i find funny how people now talk about the rings as if before those same people didnt say that KosMos was the blue light of FR ending ( the White Whale 2 emits a blue light btw )
How yeah I see what you mean lmao. Rings only matters when the narrative does not align with my headcanon.

>>3985010

This is nothing new sadly, People used to say until FR finally said it word by word that Alvis = Ontos theory was stupid, wich is so stupid to say now outloud, even when 1DE made it insanely obvious and people allready had connected the dots by 2, some people are just allergic to enjoy theorizing in a series built around interpretations of religious and science fiction concepts by some reason.

Heck, people said that The Ares Prime didnt have Ouroboros-likeCores on its body in trailers of XDE until the render finally droped.

With all the crazy mods people have done throughout the years I'm surprised nobody tried to "finish" Xenogears. Alot of stuff is theoretically already in the game.

>>3985110
Impossible. Takahashi and Square blatantly destroyed the source code back in ‘99.

>>3985120
they are making a decomp, but personally i think it doesn't need to be finished, it's like Sophia's painting

>>3984583
Won't be a saga remake but a prequel set during the contact between the immigrant fleet (magic) and feds (military) fleets who both left earth on the same day but have histories of different durations as they left at different speeds
XBX hinted at this in the artbook lore

>>3985110
"Finishing" it is just adding the mass driver dungeon (only Elly and Maria), the raid on Nissan (only Elly) and making a 3d version of Golgada.
It doesn't add a ton and some of the chair stuff (reincarnation storyline) is 100% meant to be told that way
I just don't think it adds enough to really matter
like yeah you'll get to use your on foot late game death blows outside the miang fight in solaris and the anima relic element fight but does that actually add anything?
there's a reason noone does duneman island

>>3985124
Project Noah as originally intended would have been the Japanese Dune anon

>>3985110
there's little values in finishing gears, the story elements are almost entirely done. It's the gameplay segments that are cut but hardly anyone cares about the gameplay of gears outside of the town exploration/interaction

>>3985033
>Heck, people said that The Ares Prime didnt have Ouroboros-likeCores on its body in trailers of XDE until the render finally droped.
Aren't those Core Zohar juice or Antimatters engines?

>>3985214
I think it would be interesting to expand the other episodes, maybe with some novel/anime, i'd just not touch the game

Does XB1 emulate well? Original, not remake

>>3985571
The narratives have promise if done right, the games are shit.

>>3985573
>Original
Its borderline a late 6th gen game so of course, the Wii wasn't that powerful. Wii+GC emulation is near perfect.

>>3985595
I was concerned with forced waggle controls or something

>>3985599
Most Wii games that wasn't shovel ware weren't motion games and almost always had a class control option. Also Wii emulation isn't just perfect, its god tier. Can run that shit at 60 fps on phones now.

>Ares' cores are powered by the Zohar
>Ouroboros/Moebius' cores are a less stable form of those.
Romance gives you Zohar powers?

>>3985684
>Romance gives you Zohar powers?
literally has since gears
first thing it does is make Ellhaym

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>>3985690
>>3985684

>>3985684
No, Will. The Zohar/Conduit, etc. is literally a wish granting machine.

>>3985718

Sorry to be that one person but, not just Will but specifically the concept of will by nietzsche:

Der Wille zur Macht ( The title of Xenosaga episode 1 )

>>3985881
Thus, The Splendor

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I get that often.

>>3985718
The Zohar is the Triforce?

>>3985573
what the other anon said, but also XB1 remake also emulates well, it's how i played it last year. Granted, idk how well it runs on phones or steam deck or whatever but it actually runs there too from what i've seen, at worst you'll get the same performance you get on switch

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Goddamn that was a long fucking final fight. XBC3 major spoilers.

>back to back boss fights with not just long cutscenes but unskippable cutscenes
>die at any time and you get sent to the title screen with no option to redo the battle like previous battles
Yep this is a Xeno game alright.

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>>3985976
Wish the whole internet didn't spoil this scene. Still funny none the less.

>>3985950
Emphasis on try

>>3985976
Congrats. The DLC is 100% more schizo.

>>3985978
Wish more games had the balls to canonize harem endings

Beat xenosaga 2 now. If it wasn't for the shit combat and redesigns, it'd be a high A in my ranking. And even then I can still forgive the combat cause they decided to make the game so short. Like it's shit yea, but it really wasn't that bad that it had to give this game such a terrible rep. And you don't even need to suffer through it for long. Everything else about the game was actually really good. And the finally set of cutscenes got me really excited to finally play saga 3. I've been waiting years for this

They should change Xenoblade's DPS-Healer-Tank trinity for a Melee-Ranged-Ether trinity.

>>3986912
They kind of did that with X and it was fucked up so they didn't do it again. Though tbf the problem with X's combat is mostly overdrive and mechs being braindeads, not so much the lack of the holy triangle

>>3986909
Good luck. Episode 3 really nailed it with the combat. Only bad thing I can say about 3 is it can drag a bit towards the end. Its definitely the longest out of the 3 games.

>>3986909
3 is just plain fucking good
If you're playing in english, make sure you get a rom that restores the blood: there are several scenes that are ruined by it being removed

>>3986917
Tbh, even the functionning holy triangle have glaring weaknesses.
Sharla straight up become obsolete in 1's endgame, you had a grand total of two common tank weapons in 2 and one of them is bad and 3 only had 4 base + Soulhacker + DLC tank classes.

>>3986937
sharla's biggest problem is her awful "talent art", that doesn't have to do with her being a healer. I do agree that xenoblade has a general problem with non-dodge tanks, face tanks need to do more damage or provide better utility/support to compensate.

What are the chances we get a Xenoblade 2 DE announcement at Summer Games Fest or Nintendo Direct this June?
Being 6 months from December 1st, which is the 10 year anniversary of XBC2.

>>3987157
The 10th year anniversary is next year.

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>Waited out on SW2's release to get to experience X:DE online at its peak
>Released as an overpriced console
>Its gonna get a price bump now
Guess i'll never go to N L + A again but hey, emulating it was quite alright too. I played the original on both the Wii U and Cemu but man, DE version is an insane glow up in both looks and gameplay. The new story bits could have been executed better sure but its not a deal breaker however i am LIVID with how they actually went with erasing Mira from existance for the sake of connection with the other entries Say, did they happen to release any patches since the whole SW2 quality debacle?

>>3987056
>face tanks need to do more damage or provide better utility/support to compensate.
It would be nice if block arts could intercept attacks meant for other characters. For example, Lanz use Variable Turret, then an aggroed attacker get behind when low on health to gain cover. This would open a new "cover" niche, because so far Tanks only gimmicks is to get aggro.

>>3986937
>Sharla straight up become obsolete in 1's endgame
she is? I just keep using her because of her big tits. Same with Flora

>>3987242
Obsolete is a strong word, but she is definitly on the weaker side.

>>3981412
Yeah Xenogears and Mother 3 are the holy trinity of "old JRPG with shitty combat and non existent exploration and 70% dialogue/setpieces that people glaze to death because they have a handful of good cutscenes 3/4 of the way into the game"
It should have just been a fucking anime

>>3986930
>>3986932
Would you guys say the english dub is as good or better than the other 2? Not that they were amazing but I liked them anyway and idk why but I feel like they added to how dark and kinda creepy it all is. But I know they changed the VAs for 3

>>3987316
The english dub goes back to the 1st game's cast for Shion and KOS-MOS but keeps MOMO and chaos' ep 2 voice actors. It's the best of the three casts overall.

>>3987249
Xenogears becames great the moment you read "i'm the alpha and the omega, the begininng and the end, the first and the last"

>>3987249
>mother 3
>shitty combat
I really like the rhythm based attacks

>>3987433
I wish more turn-based RPG had rhythm combos and rolling HP. Especially if the later is affected by statuses, like getting poisoned means the meter's always slowly going down even between turns, being paralyzed halves your speed but also reduces the speed at which the meter falls, casting haste on yourself also quickens your meter, etc.

>>3987375
Nah, more like experiencing the moment the first kidney stone passes.

>>3987436
>rolling HP.
what is this? Just looks like a visual flair and not any actual mechanic.

>>3987440
When you take damage in Earthbound/Mother 3, your HP isn't immediately substracted, but instead "rolls down" from your current HP to your post-damage HP, meaning if you're quick with it, you can heal yourself from a fatal blow before your HP reaches 0.

>>3987374
Lol the reddit post I read made no mention of them going back to the og voices. Made it seem like it was just replaced again a 3rd time. That's literally the best outcome I could ask for

>>3987316
>dub
You should have been playing the undub uncensored version of all the Saga games.

>>3987520
The dub is better though

>>3987521
>The dub is better though
Apparently it wasn't if they had to change the VA's.

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A few hours into Future Redeem and already liking it better than the main game.

>can keep track of monsters, items, and other stuff much better than in XBC3
Where was all this in the main game? XBC3 feels like a beta test version compared to FR, all these gameplay improvements should have been in the main game.

>>3988683
FR is so much better than 3 that it is honestly astonishing how bad the added endgame to X was
>OUR NEW HOME MIRA
>NAH FUCK THIS PLACE

>>3988683
fucked by covid

>>3985684
>>3985690
>>3985718

Romance actually IS a major part of it. The main reason Lacan's contact with Zohar went badly is because his Elly counterpart was dead.

>>3985151
There was way more cut than that. There was supposed to be two more anima dungeons, and many of the chair scene to boss fight to back to chair scene (The Wells Lab, Eldridge first trip to Mahanon chasing Id to Zohar), was supposed to be full on playable segments that they didn't have time to complete. You were supposed to go back to the World Map immediately in Disc 2 and travel to all these places (several of them even are on the final world map though you can't visit them) not just be on a chair railroad for 10 hours. Granted though, adding ALL of that back via modding just the game's code is probably impossible.

>>3988816
>There was supposed to be two more anima dungeons
For Emeralda and Maria? But the 12 anima relics were already aligned. Also their gears are different from the others

>>3988683
I dunno, I feel like Xenoblade FR is gimped by the lack of ether DPS. On of the UM in the DLC has high physical def, so his fight is a slog.

Bros, I love Soulhacker so much... They should make it a permanent part of the gameplay!
Like, you kill a unique monster and then boom a new art and skill!

>>3988780
>The main reason Lacan's contact with Zohar went badly is because his Elly counterpart was dead.is this the actual reason? I just thought it was because he was mentally fucked up

>>3988953
Should have come earlier, a lot of the skills and arts are useless at the point you get the class but it is a cool idea and blue mage should be a thing from now on

>>3989057
>blue mage should be a thing from now on
They should do it like BoF where anyone can get the skill or art of a monster if some condition are met.

When's the earliest I can tell if I'm playing the uncensored version of saga 3? I downloaded a rom that supposedly was already patched with the uncensored patch. I just started ch.5 and there's a u tic car with a bunch of bodies. I feel like it'd be bloody but it isnt. And I can't seem to find anything online that shows everything that was censored to verify myself. Like a video or a post, nothing

>>3990431
Most of the censorship happens in chapter 7 and onward.

>>3990431
That area is censored, the end of the flashback is extremely nonsensical because of the censorship (a character looking at empty hands rather than blood ones) and then there is an area extremely late game that is almost goro with how much blood it has thrown around, totally lost in the censored version

>>3990431
I'm no rocket scientist but most rom sites will literally say UNCENSORED meaning that its already uncensored or come with the files with instructions on how to uncensored it.

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NO REX, YOU ALREADY HAVE 3 WIVES!

>>3990591
What happens in Aionios stays in Aionios

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Finished the story in Future Redeemed. All in all, gameplay was a lot of an improvement than base 3 but the story really dragged. Same problems I had with torna/iria really. My main gripe is these dlc side stories are too compacted with the story/progress always moving an inch every few hours and too much padding with some of the gameplay. Every new area I get to has a unique monster at my level so I have no reason not to fight those and those monsters are extra HP spongy but those base taking sections and energy orbs that spawn monsters however were a real snooze fest. As for the story, it started out ok but just sort of dragged and became even more nonsense than base 3 was.

And it also looks like I finished my Blade journey and my Xeno journey. What a ride that's been.

>>3990854
>And it also looks like I finished my Blade journey and my Xeno journey. What a ride that's been.
the futureeeeeee awaaaaaaaaaaaaits

>>3990590
Lol I know. I said I downloaded a rom that says it's patched with the uncensored patch. But I remember ages ago, trying to find English patched roms was a bitch if you didn't want to do it yourself. And there'd be sites that say the download is patched only for it to not actually be. This one I just downloaded off coolroms, idk if they're trust worthy or not but they haven't let me down yet anyway

>>3990854
>As for the story, it started out ok but just sort of dragged and became even more nonsense than base 3 was.
That's the best part!

I wanna play Gears again emulated. How to I make it not look like ass that makes my eyes hurt on a modern screen

>>3989057
>is this the actual reason? I just thought it was because he was mentally fucked up

It was both. His contact was incomplete because his Antitype was dead which is why Or Weltall only got bat wings as opposed to a complete transformation like Xenogears did but that and his mental state at the time also drove him crazy and corrupted him as shown by how he goes from looking like Fei to looking like Id.

>>3991007
CRT shaders on retroarch/duckstation

>>3990854
Too much padding is a staple with Xenoblade. These games have a 10 hour story, at best, that's stretched far beyond the breaking point.

>>3991007
emulating it at higher resolution and the widescreen patches makes it look like a modern indie game
alternatively do what the other anon said, or any combination of this

What do bird women need such large breasts for?

Persona fans seems to believe their chinese leaks. Do we beLIEve ours?

>>3991439

No, beacause its ai Slop images that look more like Fire Emblem art was used to train it to generate images

>>3991439
No, it's so unbelievably fucking fake simply based on the notion of them making a Fei expy for the third time in a row.

>>3977405

The game is a solid 6.5/10. Anyone offended by that is suffering from crippling nostalgia.

The game was a first for a lot of people especially in the west.

>Big boy philosopher motifs mingled with Abrahamic relgious themes in a JRPG
>Martial Arts in a JRPG
>Giant Kung Fu robots

But the pacing is slow as molasses and it fails to excite. There's a reason why it sits behind and to the left of FF7 as an also ran.

Once you've already seen other games with the same themes delivering better gameplay and more fun, you can go back and see this game for what it is - interesting for it's time but mid as fuck over all.

>>3993582
>Once you've already seen other games with the same themes delivering better gameplay and more fun
such as?

>>3993582
>But the pacing is slow as molasses and it fails to excite. There's a reason why it sits behind and to the left of FF7 as an also ran.
No joke, but I think Gears and Wild Arms are remembered as "classics" because they ran at the same time as FF7.

>>3993582
You don't know what you're talking about
>>3993583
None, exactly
>>3993694
FF7 is a good blockbuster, Xenogears is a russian novel

>>3993694
>check the dates
>two months
damn Square was on fire back then

>>3993724
Made out of toilet paper

>>3979842
I've been thinking this for years, thank you for sharing my vision

>>3994079
A Vision of India

Never played any Xenoblade Chronicles games but I recently was gifted XC3. Is it fair to start here?

>>3994545
All of the Xenoblades, despite being the same continuity, are made to be played alone.

>>3994545
Eh, it can be done, but on a narrative and even on a gameplay scale, 3 kinda assumes you've played 1 and 2.

Don't get me wrong, the game's still enjoyable and you'll be more than able to grasp the main plot going in blind, and I've seen people enjoy 3 as their first entry into the series, but personally, I feel like you'd be doing yourself a disservice starting with 3.

>>3994545
Yes but don't play the dlc until you finish 1/2

>>3994555
Not true for FR.

>>3994555
No they aren't, shut up

>>3994588
That's the DLC too. Its not a big deal, he can handle it.

>>3993583


>Big boy philosopher motifs mingled with Abrahamic relgious themes in a JRPG

Smt (also overrated) and it's spin-offs (troonbait)

>Martial Arts in a JRPG

Legend of legaia, jade empire and basically any jrpg with create a character

>Giant Kung Fu robots

Any robot fighting game.

>>3994545
XC3 has some very strong ties with 1 and 2 and the worst game in the series and probably why it was gifted to you

>>3994649
>>Big boy philosopher motifs mingled with Abrahamic relgious themes in a JRPG
>Smt (also overrated)
Yeah, the same thing really, do you want to add evangelion as well?

>>3994545
Oof, someone hates you. Xenoblade is a "gift" you only give to people you really don't like.

>>3987445
Basically a gimmick that should not be universal to RPGs or mindlessly copied, thank god it isn't

Will we ever get another jrpg with writing like xenosaga

Do I genuinely need to know about Gnosticism and philosophy to get the story in these games? I'm pretty retarded

>>3995409
E33 came out last year

>>3995436
No. It’s like Evangelion, it doesn’t mean anything, he just picked stuff that he thought would sound cool and deep

>>3995449
Please stop disinformation
>>3995436
It is not needed to appreciate the story, but as with literature, if you know it you have more keys to interpretation, you can see how the work subverts every element it mentions

>>3995439
Lmao

>>3995449
George Lucas set his stories about good vs evil in space because he thought it was cool, too. Think before you type.

Soraya admitted being a pansexual, huh
https://x.com/sorayatokyo/status/2062574619211735264
I always knew she's a woke but surprised she's being bold about it.

>>3994545
I think it's fine if you started there (I have a friend who play XB3 first & quite enjoyed it) but for DLC you need to play XB1 & XB2 first.
>>3995409
Soraya was retired so nope.
Xenosaga can only be created by ambitious autistic & schizo people (Takahashi & Soraya) who are massive nerd.
and you don't find a lot of JP vidya creator like that anymore....
also JRPG don't do space opera anymore

>>3995409
A level of dysentery like this? Once in a hundred years

>>3995896
I mean, Xeno- were pretty leftist.

>>3995896
>Soraya admitted being a pansexual, huh
headline should read
>ART GIRL IN HETEROSEXUAL RELATIONSHIP FEIGNS BISEXUALITY
that being said: oba-sama can kiss all the girls she wants, she's earned it

>>3995896
>Soraya admitted being a pansexual, huh
lmao
>But I hate it when people say "she's pan, so, this character must be gay". Separate the art from the artist.
You heard the woman, Shion and KOS-MOS only make out at parties for attention

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