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>>111752826

Was lumi a normie before her babysitter became a massive influence on her?

I love Lumi
I love Miia

we need more brown lumi

>>111752826
What is the implication that vtuber spaces are critique free zones, where only positive and assenting viewpoints are allowed?

>>111754071
are you asking what implications flow from the present, which you define here as a hug box; or are you asking what else would likely result were vtubing to become a hugbox in the nearish future?

>>111754203
The latter, based on the image OP posted

>>111752826
Aristotle is better. Also, Socrates may have diddled kids which is why he was convicted of "corruption of the youth."
Also, wouldn't Vtubers all have "advanced and refined" thoughts cause of their self-conflicts with their mood swings and strange thoughts?

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>You and Lumi have been best friends since you were children
>She's always been a single child with a dream of being an idol.
>You just played along with her fantasies thinking that nothing will come off it. After all, she was just a daughter from a high-class family while you were middle-class at best.
>This was the norm for 8 years, until one day, her mother brings home a a baby boy after her stay in a hospital.
>Nothing changes at first, other than Lumi occasionally gushes about having a baby brother.
>for reasons unknown, whenever Lumi talks about her baby brother you would get an ache in your chest.
>Time passes and Lumi and You are both in high-school and she even manages to be part of some singing group and figure skating competitions
>However, the times spend together have become few and far between, with Lumi doing nothing but gushing about her baby brother and even taking him to his extracurricular activities after school.
>She eventually stops hanging out with you to be with him during his sport events, even proudly posting a photo of him and herself when he wins a trophy
>the distance only grows after you attempt to confess to her to take her out to prom, with her only words being “ew.”
>soon thereafter, Lumi goes to college for her bachelor’s degree without saying goodbye
>You still hold out hope that you can rekindle your friendship with her even as years passes.
>as half a decade passes, you hear from different sources that Lumi manage to be hired at an idol company from Canada and see that she chose to celebrate that with her family with no message from her
>eventually you even hear that Lumi is coming back to town to be there in-person to celebrate her brother’s highschool graduation.
>Dressing in your finest clothes, you head to her family home, one that hasn’t change in the slightest since you were a child.
>You could say nothing but watch as Lumi ask who you are, or why you’re here.
>She didn’t even recognize you
>That was the last time you saw her, hugging her brother while walking with her family to some fancy upper-class restaurant, all the while ignoring you.

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Every day I walk past a ballet school and glance through the windows at some cute slightly older girls and think my Lumi could be in there sigh and go on with my day.

>>111754760
This could be a summary of a tragic film about the inescapable division that forms between humans over time, far harsher than anything fiction has yet captured.

>>111754001
what we really need is a context that lumi creates, enables, or, better yet, allows to evolve at the rate stimualting interaction requires. don't get me wrong, she obviously put in the effort to deserve her today's uppies.
the issue is really about how the internet, as a medium, functions as the mental equivalent of a heat sink. it even does so automatically by transforming otherwise ordinary tasks into challenges that are sufficiently compelling to command attention and draw in resources. one need look no further for an excellent example than getting to know someone properly for the first time in a online appropriate manner.
a vtuber does the work of presenting a newish viewer with mysteries to solve and puzzles to crack any time she streams. I just don't know how to go about scaling that nerd energy after exhausting everything that can be learned through vtubing appropriate interactions.
in real life, this gets much easier after you get to know someone. you simply create the context individually tailored for fun brain time. hell, like she says, just talking about polysci can make for years of good conversation.
figuring this out and doing the work to make it happen is typically the natural responsibility of a man. he even figures out how to pitch it and get the yes. vtubers are obviously too schizo to hang out like normal people (and not without reason). they also can't keep things interesting by focusing on the interesting because a big audience will find a way to cancel or derail, etc.
so how does a vtuber either act like a man by forcing the context to evolve or act like a woman to allow and enable the same?

>>111754071
oh I forgot to tag you in the above ramble, but those are my general thoughts. especially with a chat that suffers from cancel twitter tendencies.

>>111755312
god gumicucks are so retarded

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>>111755312

What race is lumi and why does she talk like that?

>>111755312
The vtuber as the subject of attention really has to be responsible for keeping chat on point, but when chat brings up good points or deviations, they can curate and discuss them at their leisure as appropriate. In a way the vtuber is the man in the relationship, the vtuber is in control. It's possible that if the technology was suddenly there, such a thing as vtubing simply would fail instantly in say 1950s US. The men would not be receptive to this type of social dynamic, but it works in the 2020s US and other countries.

>>111756991
She's a magical star gnome. Only 6 are known to exist at any given time.

>phase asmr relay
Okay seriously HOW do we get Lumi to do an asmr stream. I know she won't do it willingly so we have to make her lose a bet or something.

>>111757588
Sakana has to pressure her or something.

>>111757588
I wouldn't want asmr from Lumi desu. There is no way she doesn't do it ironically.

>>111757862
Would Lumi even listen and do what Sakana says.

I suppose satan's reasoning that it was better to reign in hell than to serve in heaven holds just as true in these cases. better the self-assured omnicience of the solipcistic neet than face the reality of never understanding why in the world of other people.

>>111758350
if she fucked something up and this was the punishment, sure. however it would be highly unwise for someone in sakana's position to associate workplace discipline with acts of an explicitly sexual nature. as one might imagine.

cant believe Lumi is not chinese

>>111757588
blackmail would work but burning through that card on a public performance has cuck energy.
lumi reliably follows through on what she believes to be her obligations. the trick is keeping her from gaslighting herself into thinking no such obligation was triggered or exists.
our best bet, perhaps ironically, is to wait for her to find a way to interact with her chat in a manner that allows her to respect it. for now, any time she gets pressrd, she will just use the mob as a human shield and/or a means of generating a retarded strawman to focus on for the duration.

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Why are Gumis like this?

https://x.com/Cipherprofile/status/2053638936077955456
Is this true about us???

Lumi is EN Fiana.

>>111760518
yeah but the guys who say you suck in that are performative and they still want her

>>111754760
Would Lumi unironically drop a friend like this? I thought she said she fights to keep friendships alive.

>>111755021
She doesn't do ballet anymore

abusers are either impotent losers starved for attention or people with an actual plan. the former are objects of pity. the latter do it out of love. win win.

>>111762476
Who does Lumi abuse

>>111762671
lumi? she's more hide, dely, deny than an abuser.

>>111762671
Her father and brother. They have so much trust in her, yet she betrays them every time.

>>111762671
fat people

>>111762476
>I'm such an abusechad, Lumi do you love me yet???
pathetic

>>111766011
I was referring to some very faggy posts on main, but that's good for you. I guess. let us know if that works out for you.

>>111752826
just dont care for the dialectic or signal errors if reality is objective then theres no way you can know of it cause it exist outside your physical limitations (object permanence is a psyop)

Busy these weeks what am I missing?

>>111766085
cry some more about why she doesn't use the eye toggles that make your pp hard, I'm sure she'll listen this time

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https://www.youtube.com/live/Qo9mQ5gjrEw

Tardwife live and being cute solving puzzles

>>111766416
oh. you're actually seething, huh? well feel better. remember to drink water

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So is she actual gf material, or is Lumi one of those ghouls who has no empathy and thinks it's really funny?

>>111767191
idk about gf/wife material but she's really sweet and uses her inner ghoul as cope

>>111767191
Boring setup you should actually watch streams and livepost

>>111767220
Which is the real Lumi and which is false?

>>111767981
>authenticity from a woman
you're so silly

>>111768045
kek

>>111760518
>Lumi says she doesn't appreciate toxic positivity
>retards introduce a layer of fake toxic negativity muddying the waters further and branding her with very weird public image

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>>111769596
it's her main selling point, that's how she roped me in

>>111769596
this. I don't get how anyone could be threatened enough to feel hate. I like her enough to get disappointed, but the hate thing feels too performative.

>>111769649
You're describing a lolcow. I have a feeling she doesn't enjoy being a clown.

>>111752826
>1980
I would enjoy vtubers more if vtubing started in 2011 when the first mikuvrtuber shit was invented.

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>>111769798
This is her favorite meme and legacy

>>111769973
Well, I will rephrase it then. I feel that she doesn't appreciate being treated as a clown if it's not on her own terms. Racoomi for example was hilarious as fuck. Dealing with "roped in" people that just want to make fun of you is entirely different thing.

>>111770119
>I feel that she doesn't appreciate being treated as a clown if it's not on her own terms.
That is the social cost of being a clown, you gain free clout but lose dignity

>>111769649
why do her biggest fans also hate her?

Honestly lumi should molest her brother

>>111770793
But she already did to get back at starmom.

>>111770177
Yes, but chat culture can make it worse. When a weido discovers the stream lured by lolcow reputation, and sees everyone shitting on streamer (as a joke), they feel at home and join the shitting (but not as a joke anymore). And feeling at home they make it their new home. Past a certain point of theseus' ship the shitting stops being a joke.

>>111771120
Feeling anything from this is the consequences of a moderated internet, can't relate

>>111770793
I feel like she definitely did something to him

>>111771236
Understandable, but you don't have to interact with a thousand people dogpile live on a daily basis. When somebody calls you a faggot you can chuckle, return the slur and get along with your day. Now imagine a thousand internet trolls standing behind your back while you work.

>>111771433
Think about that for a second and then think about why she considers VTubers a race of bottoms and masochists

>>111771478
> she considers VTubers a race of bottoms and masochists
You sure she’s not projecting

>>111771518
Ember is considered the top in Phase and she is a cuckquean

>>111770793
Is she just jealous of his more simple enjoyment of life?

>>111771596
Proof of ember being a cuckquean

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Why can't we all just be nice :(

I think lumi is at her best in those moments when we get to see how she unironically really isn't like the other girls. we rarely see it now that chatism usually triggers her introvert shut down defences within 15 minutes.
But I remember how she gets when she wants to impress someone she admires. I think the easiest way to describe it is genuine pickme without any of the cynical connotations. literally every other girl I know grew out of such unblemished motivations. not her.
that's what makes one not give up on her.

>>111771683
I might have misspoke, her ideal relationship is being the +1 girl in a relationship together with a husband and wife. So technically not the cuckquean, but she's open to the idea of being that for Dizzy

>>111771604
I never understood why Lumi has contempt for Starbro’s more simplistic enjoyment in life. Does it have anything to do with their upbringings?

>>111771833
They didn't put her brother through ancient USSR torture techniques

Lumi is still seething
https://www.twitch.tv/kanekolumi

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>I don't look good with dark hair
does she know?

>>111771833
Lumi read Hume while Starbro read Kant. Many such cases.

>>111772863
Love her so much

Deus Ex, more like Dark Ex
how is anyone supposed to see what is going on?

>>111775644
Old games weren't afraid of pulling shit like this for immersion

Would Lumi love Spartan Philosophy because it refuses to do any sort of introspection?

>>111775862
Sparta has philosophy

Can we save Lumi

>>111778887
define save?

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The artist choosing this trio is baffling.
https://x.com/bzurrf/status/2048900644564570147

>>111779664
Why is Lumi a bimbo?

>>111766112
Lumi crashing out about her own limited knowledge about the universe

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Looking at the schedule for the week, does Lumi hate us?

>Want lumi to play New Vegas
>She will most likely side with the NCR because of her midwit tendencies and not the Legion and their hegelian views of the world
Pain

>>111783189
>no days-off
fucking bitch

>>111784408
why is that a problem

>>111784553
ask chatgpt

>>111767191
anons, she's not wearing the bikini bottom...

Proud of her for trying to tackle the elephant head on today. She may have even picked up on the implications of the gap between the temper tantrum behavior and the self-reported claims of "only pretending to be retarded" as they zenfully trolled.

I think she just needs to come to terms with the fact that she's the normiest normie who ever normied. Even if she was the top 1% intelligence individual her content would attract the top 0.1% who's bound to humble the absolute fuck out of her. Large numbers are funny like that. And recognizing that fact will also lead to the realization that all things that apply to normies also apply to her. Like listening to her body signals and taking the fucking breaks.

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>>111786061
Hey guys AI is almost 50% as good as people if we use make believe metrics invented by the makers
>Why are you mad? You must hate progress
>I feel like if were more curious and hopeful about the future you would agree with me

>>111786377
She would have an easier time if she didn't attract PC gamers who have an average IQ of 112 (top 22%) compared to the normal population as it is and we still treat most of them like dumbfucks

>>111786386
She treats the world like an amusement park, not the complex causal system. While extremely limited it's a lot more happier outlook.

i hate the faggot chatters that are just too comfortable in her chat as "regulars" that are actually just autistic.
she'll try to talk about something, then a handful of these fags will shit on her to make her stop.

>>111784976
that minx is tempting us, isn't she

Why does Lumi hate women who are whores.

>>111789716
I'm not sure she does considering one of her best friends is a sugarbaby I think she just takes issue with women who devalue themselves by not asking for a high enough price. Sort of like Raphtalia she doesn't consider the possibility that Raphtalia sees Naofumi's trust issues and decides to eliminate the possibility of betrayal just so he'll depend on her and not push her away

>>111789828
Anon, she IS sugarbaby

>>111789905
sure she is

>>111789905
Lumi is not a sugarbaby.

>>111780413
This is fucking horrible thanks

Aint yt wha' it waz but twich is still the wurst one

>>111786386
have you sat down and talked to an AI? not like some stemcel that tries to break it so he can say it doesn't work. thst's easy. anyone can do that. have you sat down and tried to make it work? to get it to figure out the tasks that it couldn't the first time?
once you stop seeing it as some alternative to a human intelligence and begin seeing it as the accessory to your own intelligence that it is; it will click.
the people who will lose their jobs are the hyper focused specialist experts. the people who keep them will be generalists that know how to integrate. they'll keep their jobs by figuring out how to do the specialists jobs without them.
through out history, intelligence was the purview of the generalist. it is only VERY recently that we started making science papers in the current autistic format rather than as a dialogue between two people. we had to let the hyper focused replace generalists because of all the technical knowledge required to keep up in everything from law to engineering. no one wanted to. specialists make for myopic leaders and when humans are left to their own devices prefer a shaman's vision rants to a sperg's hyperfixation.
AI normalizes all of this. all we need is someome who understands technical knowledge at the level required to understand why we need it. all the AI needs to do is act like an AI. do the stemcel shit for me. act like just like the barely sentient tech leads we are used to wrangling.
Of course AI can't replace people. Neither could stemcels. AI CAN replace people who have no idea why they are doing what they are doing. who do you think an AI would be more likely to replace? the types of people who are hyper focusing the metrics so they can claim AI doesn't work? Or the type of people who can figure out how to make an AI work just as well as the stemcels they wrangle all day?

>>111790409
I like wurst, especially brat wurst.
>>111790583
The entire premise of ai growth is the opportunity to sell self-contained "specialists" at large volumes, where the scaling and upkeep will cost pennies compared to the initial training. I will not going into details how feasible that plan is, but ai agents running on frontier models can cover a wide variety if tasks already today. And they're not going to get worse.

I’m starting to hate Lumi's unfortunately alt-right takes. Why can’t she be normal?

>>111790583
I agree with your premise to a point but I still think that premise is just as relevant without AI. I think you're doing the same thing she did and assume the attack on the metric is an attack on AI itself, it's just calling out the marketing bullshit for what it is. However you're trying to make a cross-discipline point and sorry that's not happening, there are applications for "AI". Medicine, Material Sciences, Military, Mass Surveillance, but those are not strictly LLMs, the fact is that the economics for LLMs don't make sense and they're probably not going to make sense. Everyone is waiting for Inference Model AI, we think it might exist and is reachable with LLMs but we're not sure. The problem with wrangling LLMs for "tech lead" stuff is that the LLM is not consciously aware of the potential ramifications or have a stake in anything it does, it cannot reason in a traditional way, it only moves from token to token until it has an answer it likes. Non-"stemcels" do not have the experience or the knowledge to properly evaluate what their semi-agentic LLM agents are doing without extensive review from stemcels. More to the point the first implementation of this technology is being used erroneously to cut costs in hiring by axing 70-80% of Junior Positions, that technical debt is going to bite them in the ass in 5 years. You think all the security issues and random plane crashes is bad now? Wait until there are even less Senior Engineers. You may think this is a victory until you realize the kind of enterprise products these companies are using, they're not paying $20/month they're spending $7-8k per day, per employee, per task with the promise that the technology will improve, it will get cheaper. Spoiler alert: it won't. AI companies know that the power behind AI is datacenters, AI companies and hardware manufacturers have been colluding to create a monopoly on datacenters, and artificial hardware shortage by reappropriating existing production lines for enterprise use. We will have open source models long after the closed source ones crash and burn but we won't be able to run them at the same efficiency.

AI makes sense to use right now, I'd go as far as to say you're an idiot if you don't because it's dirt cheap for what it does, but it doesn't come anywhere close to cover the costs of token usage. They're all relying on outside investment and worrying cross-industry collaborations to keep the pipe dream afloat and every single one of us is paying for it both in energy costs and in labor shortages for a project that will never meet the expectations put on it.

why was Lumi bragging about her schedule when she has no problems with a last minute delay? shameful.

What's with this thread and people's love for longass essays... Compute will only get faster, models will only get better. When the ai bubble pops, this trend will not get reversed, it can only be contained through legislation. Whether or not we'll end up living in a corporate dystopia will depend on a number of factors (from socio-economical to geopolitical) and differ from country to country, but people are certainly trying to speedrun that shit now.

>>111790583
You're a resentful Jira diddler and you let that inform your worthless predictions. Reddit tier anti-AI takes in chat might legitimize you there, but have some humility, please.

>>111792037
>humility
I have already done what I am talking about or I wouldn't be acting like I knew what I was talking about. although I would be an ass if I didn't forgive someone who thought gumis struggle with absolutes too much to ever do things

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https://www.youtube.com/live/HpWuvxFIEoc

I want to hold hands with her sometimes and she's live.

>>111792881
Why does she hate us so much that she’s late??

>>111791868
>What's with this thread and people's love for longass essays
Schizo general

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>>111792881
>Lumi claims to have taken Starbro to the aquarium as a child
Why does she lie so easily as she breathes?

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The Sea Hag has come
could be her way of telling us she just turned 30

>>111791868
>>111793149
basic literacy and the ability to use a keyboard will change your definition of essay.

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>>111791868
This is the problem you run into eventually

>>111793440
I think she wants you to grab her by the temples for a smooch and an "idiot' before sending her on her way.

>>111794065
we aren't anywhere near the right half. the people who keep saying this will be a problem are usually rigidly stuck in thinking about this as a technical limitations. the potential for AI, even if all technical devepopment froze now, is still ahead of us and has everything to do with people figuring out how to verbally wrangle it through tasks that neither could accomplish alone.

wordcels feel included in the AI convo this is why it's impossible to get anywhere btw

>>111794213
GPT 3 era was right in the middle but not terribly useful and cost $3m, the leap between GPT 3 and 4 cost $100m, the leap between GPT 4 to GPT 5 cost $2b. And this is just training the models we haven't factored in the service/operating costs. Rumor has it GPT 5.5 was originally intended to be GPT 6, we can assume it cost in the double digit $b to get there. Formally getting to GPT 6 will likely cost something in the order of 100s of billions if OpenAI pursues it. Now every company isn't OpenAI but the token cost is about the same, around 7x higher for Claude because it apparently runs through several hidden prompt layers. Getting from 5.4 to 5.5 doubled the cost in tokens. We have already been well into the right half since GPT 3.5

>>111794065
Ten datacenters cost exactly ten times one datacenter.
>>111794409
Raw compute is only one direction of llm improvement. Training data quality matters just as much, if not more. Then there's architectural changes, DS4 for example introduced crazy memory usage improvements in inference. I guess you can side with LeCun and claim that llm is a dead end arch, but I'm not sure I can trust his opinion after how hard Meta dropped the ball.

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>>111795065
Kind of but the math doesn't quite math, every prompt uses 25x-50x more tokens on top of this which means it's several hundred times more expensive prompting

>>111795252
as a followup GPT5 uses 400k tokens for output, which means it costs $4 every time you prompt GPT5 instant and OpenAI has 894m monthly users and only 50m paying customers. Yeah.

If I ever get replaced by an AI (though so far it's made me more valuable than before) we're gonna be at the point where we won't need Indians anymore. Computer vision will replace the seasonal workers that stay here.
I don't see a bad ending.

>>111795310
Ah, I never claimed OpenAI was anywhere near profitable. For that they will have to drop their subscription models and switch to per token billing at the very least. But high output token usage (overly verbose reasoning) is another direction of model improvement and can be mitigated with better training.

>>111795393
problem is that, when that happens, half the country will be non-white parasites that aren't even useful for dumb labor.
biological regression to the mean means even deadbeat whites have some potential value as a gene bank. so welfare for them could be comprehended, but not when welfare fot our own people will also require gibs for the coloreds. worse, everyone is so mind fucked that they think they have the same duty to their third cousins than to some street shitter.
AI is real and it is foolish to waste energy trying to pretend otherwise when that energy could have been spent figuring out how to use it. societally? the good times are ending.

>>111795393
>I don't see a bad ending.
except the one where a new economic class will form that are basically slaves because there are so many people competing for the few jobs that an AI can't do that the salaries are reduced to nothing? and what will the massive amount of unemployed people do exactly?

>>111796137
i'm gonna lift and play video games wbu

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Does Lumi still keep her eyes on us.

>>111798662
maybe

>>111798662
Pfff she will never guess me

>>111798771
>>111798662
How does she see this playing out?

>>111799724
She either sees us be loyal, in which she rewards us, or she sees us watching other girls and calls us whores.

>>111798662
i don't want to be perceived

>>111801500
Lumi will eventually perceive you.

Come watch Lumi's chud little sister
https://www.twitch.tv/miia

>>111802238
Why does this woman keep getting posted in here? Is she endorsed by Lumi?

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>>111802571
>Is she endorsed by Lumi?
All confirmed female gumis are endorsed by Lumi

>>111802571
Miia is Lumi’s sister in law, if the rumor mill is telling the truth and Miia and Starbro are dating.

>>111802571
She, like Clio started out as Gumis. Lumi jokingly refers to Miia as her little sister because she sees her younger self in her, she used to anyway.

>>111802742
>Lumi jokingly refers to Miia as her little sister because she sees her younger self in her, she used to anyway.
So Miia turning further right-wing severed their connections?

>>111802801
It was probably the cosplay, partying and suicidality

>>111802823
Ah right, when she was crashing out and spiraling.

>>111802823
Didn't Lumi admit to doing those things as well?

>>111803075
Not on Miia's level, Miia would get into fights, rapebait and speedrun getting blackout drunk. Lumi was worried for a while there

>>111803108
Miia just wanted Lumi to save her

I hate to admit it, but I never fully appreciated why I should care about the difference between a woman that is "fully willing" and a woman that "fully wants" until I started watching.

>>111803685
she does seem to struggle recognizing when it is time to shift into a higher gear. although intervening in a vtuber's menhera probably counts as biting of more than you can chew.

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Lumi really wants us to think she has big tits

>>111802728
>If the rumor mill is telling the truth and Miia and Starbro are dating.
Would Lumi even allow those two date each other?

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lumi should do a handcam cooking/baking stream after she's done with her model plane

>>111805706
I'm not sure a sister's opinion on her adult brother dating life acts as a veto. regardless, lumi described him as more introverted than she is. so I doubt any streamer would be his type.

>>111806947
I would rather she threw on a beard and got to discord grooming.

>>111806947
she should do a handcam pussy masturbation stream as well

>>111806947
she promised she'll do one to cook pelmeni after she got rage baited my max miller from tasting history

Would Lumi defend Eggie?

>>111808600
They're very annoying to make alone... But cooking collab could be a fun idea.

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Lumi core doujins are always fun to read.

>>111810253
need lolumi

does anyone have the games list? I hope to Christ we can finally get tactics wednesday back. last train home had a great plot and train autism. she was also doing a great job pushing back against the tism and insisting on playing it with her brain on but without cheating meta.
too bad that drunk bitch forced her way onto stream. now lumi probably associates the game with getting harassed and on a cozy day. if her introvert battery really is as finicky as she says, she might have associated the home invasion and forced babysitting a drunk dutch dyke with what should be the wholesome slaughter of communists.

>>111810733
Damn you must really hate rollsloppa

>>111810253
So what is Lumicore?

>>111810912
which one is rolesloppa?

I miss OP. no homo. back to sleep.

>>111811364
rollslop is the zoomer term for Souls-likes

>>111811629
I hate soulslop. rpgs are fine but the challenge presented by soulslop isn't rewarding. there's no thinking, just busy work. it's like watching a german or nip coming home from the factory to entertain themselves by reading their product's manuals.

>>111812149
You kind of build your own prison in Soulslop, for whatever reason most fans are obsessed with playing the most one dimensional high risk build in Souls games because otherwise they feel their experience is diminished. But if you apply yourself you can game it so hard and it's often better to build boring stats rather than going for the new shiny object you find. Very often builds or cheese in FromSoft games is a lot harder to learn because they're mostly knowledge checks on patterns and the builds only minmax to do one specific thing. If you want to skip that frustration you can just focus on making things easier for yourself if you want, for her Bloodborne run specifically she was just memeing with the stat allocation so that caused some of the issues.

>>111812149
Any slop is bad, lol. Keep repeating the same thing and you'll run out of ideas. Demon Souls and Dark Souls 1 had plenty of gimmicks. But nowadays it's just "this bullshit just one shot you, are you entertained yet?"

>>111812950
I can understand, if not enjoy, the build autism but this anon got to the core of the issue which is that the design philosophy comes down to
>>111812967
hurr durr boss has unexpected move set you can't predict and prepare for with lore that one shots you. in fact everything should be like this. this is peak gameplay. life is not hard because it is complex, life is hard because you could be struck by lightning at anytime amd we will make sure anytime is all the time.
it's an edgelord design philoosphy that they think is so cool, unique, and different. it made me cringe when dark souls first came out and only got worse from there.
of course it is perfect for lumi since she is min maxed to survive by ensuring she is constantly busy doing something without regard for whether or not it makes sense or is actually accomplishing anything.
if a boss is so hard it takes more than a dozen tries, your character would find a way around it, not rush to his certain death

>>111813313
The difficulty is probably the biggest filter, regarding if you can predict or not you most certainly can but it's a knowledge check. But people home in on the difficulty for good reason, I'm of the opinion that every game should be challenging otherwise it's hard to get invested but there's also people who play to turn their brain off so I can understand that. The magic of FromSoft games is the level design, bosses, and world building, the intentionality is tangible and it's not something you get from other games. When there's a miss like in vanilla Dark Souls 2 it really exposes how laughably bad some of the other systems are, but it's this cohesive vision that holds it all together and elevates it above every other single player experience.
>if a boss is so hard it takes more than a dozen tries, your character would find a way around it, not rush to his certain death
Again, souls players build their own prisons, every from game has an enemy at the start that's so hard it's certain death. That encounter is supposed to teach you to come back later when you're ready, that's where the Metroidvania comes in. But you can only lead a horse to water.

https://booru.allthefallen.moe/posts/1447876?q=parent%3A1447851

I want her to roleplay this with me.

>>111813481
Now look at the most (if not only) clipped moments in Elden Ring, supposedly peak souls game
1. People getting baiting into falling to death in the beginning
2. Radahn's dive bomb
3. Struggling with Malenia's bullshit (that has a similar dive bomb by the way)
4. Melina's bait and switch. Can never go bad with killing likeable characters out the blue (aka the cheapest storytelling move)
Did I forget anything?

>>111813836
Clipwatching is like reading IMDB reviews instead of watching the movie, Malenia is an optional boss as well, in fact the entire area is completely optional. Traditionally that's where the hardest encounters are, before Consort Radahn that is.

>>111813928
I asked for scenes, not a lecture. Game moments that spark emotional reactions get clipped. Ergo the rest of the game is dull.

>>111813481
I dont mind hard, hard is good. what I mind is the type of hard that assumes the dickheaded players will google for spoilers and on how to abuse min max abuse the mechanics. making a build based on the info the game gives you, planning out how to make it coherent and capable of handling most situations is fun. figuring out game breaking combo is fun.
I appreciate how you arent just saying skill issue and get gud. it's that souls is designed to be hard even if you already know exactly what is coming. it isn't about solving the puzzle, it's about making sure a player who knows the solution still gets blown up. the problem isn't one of difficulty, it is arbitrariness.
to each their own though, and in a way souls is a turn off brain and grind until you muscle memory a solution. maybe I am just being a kill joy

>>111813988
The problem is the complete story is told out of order out of context and only at the mid point or near the end do you begin to form the complete picture so the story isn't clippable it can really only be told through video essays. There are also quest lines with story tidbits if you like those, they're usually fucked up or tragic with nothing in between. But watching clips of those is also like being shown something for shock value in tv or movies and it falls flat because you're not invested in the character yet.
I think that kind of storytelling appeals to people sensitive to framing and manipulation, or those that are tired of being lectured because it doesn't try to moralize everything that happens. It kind of just presents the situation and murder weapon as is and you have to infer every character's motivations unless they tell you explicitly. I wouldn't call it great storytelling but it's part of what Souls does almost exclusively with environmental storytelling which they happen to be pretty good at and is different from other games.
>>111814155
I'm not sure I agree, I play From games on release and delete wikis and spoilers from my mind, I'm basically uncontactable for a week or two because I want to experience everything spoilerfree with an open mind. I think it allows for what you describe as fun more than the game might let on, but as I said before most players just find the shiniest objects and say I'm gonna max STR and DEX until I can equip that thing that looks cool and the wikilords and guide makers encourage this behavior. Maybe I'm being cynical but I think it mostly comes down to engagement bait on their part, if you want to play the strategic deal with everything build in every souls game you just need to equip a Straight Sword, Shield, and Bow. That's it.
Part of what I think is fun is figuring out the patterns for the bosses rather than just read up on it, because they're really formulaic once you understand how they work. When you finally kill a boss in a Souls game you can kill it 10 times in a row afterwards because -you- as a player have improved rather than number going up.
But maybe we're talking past each other on what it means to problem solve vs muscle memory? I definitely wouldn't say turning off the brain and slamming your head into a wall over and over is the best way to hash out boss strategies. This is also something that's a little different in base Elden Ring and totally-real PS4 Bloodborne is the asynchronous multiplayer. One solid way to learn bosses and help those less fortunate is to put down your summoning sign, that way you make someone else's life easier and you can safely teleport back to where you stood.

>>111814420
>talking past
I was actually just thinking the same thing after I hit post. I think this one is one me because
>shiny object retardation
I didn't quite get what you meant here because I outright assumed that was the allure of the game. weapon cool, must build around weapon, is a retarded mindset. it is easier to respect the games if you're tellling me that it not a wise way to engage with the game
>muscle memory vs logic
this is the one I was thinking off. I admit to the bias. I don't enjoy really the pattern recognition of timing and movement. I do enjoy sitting down and going over the mechanics and lore until I am immersed enough to predict what the world will throw at me/get inside the devs heads enough to see what they are trying to reward and/or punish.
even in multiplayer, a win for me has less to do with skill and more to do with choosing to only engage in conditons that provide my build an overwhelming advantage against theirs. I'd rather account for the caprice of fate by ensuring any unexpected developments won't change the inevitable.
it's the same reason I can appreciate music but never had time for an instrument. so fair enough, I have to admire artistry where I see it, even if it isn't my thing. perhaps souls games are made to appeal to the artisan pilled mind and I'm just complaining about a game philosophy that doesn't care about the overly ideational autists. in which case I was probably calling them edge lords to cope.
to each their own then, that's fair.

>>111815394
It's definitely different from Path of Exile and Dota 2, here's the thing, people condition themselves to play fair even when someone else isn't. What you identify as the allure of the game could be for a lot of people but you kind of have to decide for yourself where you want to meet the game at. The pattern recognition and movement is really maximum dopamine you will get out of Souls, because you will become so hypervigilant that you begin to predict the little traps the devs set out for you. And it's not like you're fighting the design they purposefully reward that kind of awareness, very often something will make a little noise or it presents a big reward in front of you. Experienced Souls players immediately become suspicious, but it doesn't generate clips, people ignoring the signals and failing epicly generate clips. Maybe it's not obvious from watching but your reasoning behind the puzzling together game mechanics and dev intent map almost perfectly maps onto the game design of these games. Elden Ring is really the only one where they took it too far, but I also respect that they did out of love for the long time fans of their games so they wouldn't get bored with having "Dark Souls III but takes 4 times as long to beat".

I almost want to sell you on immersing yourself in the more tactile and the execution part of games, you may not see it now but that fantasy you describe there is something that almost defies reality if you master it at a high level. And it's not something you lose when the game is over it's yours forever and will carry over from game to game. What I'm describing on how to approach Souls games and the pitfalls really is an echo of my competitive background and of an article series called Domination 101, written by Seth Killian, a bit of an edge lord but he used to be a Philosophy Professor (with a pHD) at the University of Illinois and a competitive Fighting Game player of many years himself. To distill it in short form it's mostly about recognizing the difference between 'playing fair' and playing to win, overcoming the urge to call something cheap or braindead because you don't understand how it works. And to then apply these lessons to become a Dominator and actively work to break your opponent's will to live, and use your mastery to transcend traditional paradigms.

Grapplers with reset mec are the worst , but I do love Cerebella from Skullgirl

Most people are fine with using cheap tactics, with a huge but. You have to stumble upon then on your own. And Souls series are really unfriendly for that kind of stuff, with how you can't normally reset your attributes. So you're stuck in a weird conundrum: guides will devalue your experience, and not using guides will hit you with a hard FOMO.
Anyway, if I would have to rate all the mainline Souls it would be like this
Demon Souls - weird kind of good
DS1 - great
DS2 - we don't talk about DS2
DS3 - good
Bloodborne - pc version never
Elden Ring - sorry, but it's just boring

>>111818003
>not using guides will hit you with a hard FOMO.
Nah, guides also introduce false assumptions and aren't made to make your experience easier. Not all of them but guides are judged after their ability to make number go up, usually damage, and the beginner guides vaguepost while railroading you into choosing minmax builds. I don't think I've seen anything updooted that has winning with ease as the priority.

>>111818267
But the thing is, different min-maxed builds play very differently. And a person baited into dex-faggotry might actually prefer great swords. Or magic. Or whatever different type of magic is in that title. And they hardly overlap stat-wise. It is the game that actually hard-punishes experimentation.

Lemon is playing Deus Ex
https://www.twitch.tv/kanekolumi

bad thread reader Lumi

I love her sometimes.

>>111820323
silence schizo

>>111818724
You can have freedom or meaningful choices, can't have both

>>111784106
Lumi already played New Vegas newfag

>>111752826
the truly evil are always 2 steps ahead even if socrates was 3 what use is it if no one gets there…

>>111820449
Blind choices are not meaningful, it's not even your choice at the of the day - you just let Jesus take the wheel. And by meaningful choices they usually mean that choices provife different outcomes. Giving a system to switch between outcomes without stupid time sinks arguably doen't make them any less meaningful.

>>111822311
It's not the book's fault you're illiterate

>>111822365
...care to elaborate?

>>111822484
There are no blind choices, unless you presume that a choice is only a choice after you know the exact outcome to which I would say would render the choice considerably less meaningful. There are explanations for every stat, you get to preview what each stat change does before locking them in. Nothing is obfuscated except for soft caps, but they also become apparent when you preview the stat changes.

>>111822604
What game are even talking about at this point, Elden Ring? Then yes, I suppose you can pick the starting class, do suboptimal or boring build, and do this for 100+ hours while ignoring all other cool drops. Some would call it meaningful, I would call it missing out. Unless you do rebirths, that they begrudgingly added in later patch, hidden behind the optional boss (hello guide), that has 80% magic mitigation (get fucked if you've built for that), and still limited in quantity (hello guide again).

>>111822970
Remember what I said about Souls players creating their own prisons? And yeah you unlock rebirths after Rennala what's the problem with that? Calling it an optional boss is disingenuous because almost every single boss in the game is optional. Also you know what else they give you before Rennala? A fucking shield that blocks 90% of magic damage if you imbue it with magic, the boss can't switch specc either. Also yeah it's going to be suboptimal because otherwise you would respecc and switch build before every boss and enemy and it would completely invalidate builds and character RP. At that point why not just delete all stats from the game and scale the game up based on how many bosses you kill?

>>111819466
>first playthrough
>using a mod that fucks up the entire aesthetic
why would she do this

>>111823367
She hates us

>>111823367
The people who "play" and suggest these games don't actually like playing them and get their game suggestions from reddit along with a list of 20 QoL mods

>>111823358
Maybe we should just calm down and walk back to our corners... I play action games for action, number optimization games for optimization and story games for story. If a game has multiple of those, I enjoy them pretty much separately. If the story (or RP, or whatever) prevents me from fully enjoying the other parts, I call such game design unnecessary. This is not tabletop where GM can adjust content for my choices. Your mileage probably varies, and that's completely fine.

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Come watch Lumi's Sister-in-law
https://www.twitch.tv/miia

>>111823409
this. this is why she is an absolute fool for letting herself get mentally lazy enough to ever do a poll. she needs to have a serious review of how she utilizes her consumer data.
I appreciate that the daily spreadsheeting level of autism just isnt sustainable once the initial rush of throwing yourself into a new job that most people fail. but this reminds me of how she shut down the suggestion box because of all the retarded feedback.
she was entirely correct to try and make use of the consumer data her fanbase was willing to collect and throw at her for free. the problem was how she made use of it. the suggestion box wasnt a bad idea, the bad idea was expecting more than 20% of the feedback to be useful. same with the voting.
she wasnt wrong to gague sentiment.she was wrong to treat every perspective as equally valuable and forcing herself to receive feedback with an open mind BEFORE discarding the patently retarded submissions. data is good but it needs to be curated propery. that's her issue.

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>>111826993

Who can teach Lumi a lesson.

Okay but when is Lumi going to bounce on it crazy style?

>>111825614
all she does is react to bullshit. fuck you.

>>111832988
And Lumi doesn't do the same thing?

>>111833018
Miia is a Pippa tier vtuber. Lumi is far above that.

>I wouldn't really worry about that. It's all fine.
What did she mean by this?

>>111752826
she definitely has a boyfriend. remember when she was in japan and slut it up on purpose?

>>111833075
the irony here is that she could be fucking everyone except the anons who read this but no one would take it seriously because it is associated with the type of people who schizo out over literally nothing.

>>111832516
It is a question of would rather than could.

>>111833368
I don't know. I don't think an ordinary man could teach Lumi anything. Not because she's so smart or anything but just because she's so stubborn and convinced that she knows best. You can present information to her but she won't necessarily learn.

>>111833057
Same thing she's always meant when asked, she says she'll lock someone down when the time comes because she's that valuable. That's what she believes anyway

>>111833057
she's probably going fall back on the old friend option. that dude who showed up in chat a couple years back

>>111833184
Dick review stream when
>>111835702
On a scale from 1 to 10, how whipped is he? That sounds hella onions.

>>111807570
>lumi described him as more introverted than she is.
I swear, Lumi is really happy that her brother is more introverted than her. I can't imagine how she would feel if her baby brother socially mogged her while making look like a femcel and girlfailure.

>>111835755
off the scale. i don't remember exactly what he said but it was something about getting married at 35 if they both hadn't found anybody by then
i suspect she will go for it because its convenient and she's more than a little onions herself

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Mark my words, Lumi will absolutely cave and marry someone younger than her. She’s too prideful to marry an old man around her age and she would want to feel young again.

>>111835978
Wouldn't that do the opposite?

>>111835986
Nope. Since we already know Lumi wants to be the one in charge, even subconsciously.

>>111836070
Shotadom Lumi is not the image I needed in my head...

>>111833476
I wonder if that might be how she expresses love?

>>111836725
What is love?

>>111837594
the sustained warmth that makes the world feel like it does when you're sitting in an upscale mall cafe surounded by people but comfortably alone mixed together with the feeling of sitting by a fire staring at the stars while the ocean makes it's sounds. the certainty that everything is going to work out because home is now a person, not a place.
that sort of thing.

we should groom lumi into being the happily obedient gooner nerd that she was always meant to be.

>>111840689
I belieb we can

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>>111841072

>>111835912
How can she both respect him and rely on him just kinda waiting for her and not find someone better?

>>111841364
you can still fuck your needs out while saving your heart for your background monitor

We can save Lumi from herself

Lemon is live
https://www.twitch.tv/kanekolumi

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sea hag live
https://www.twitch.tv/kanekolumi
https://www.twitch.tv/kanekolumi
https://www.twitch.tv/kanekolumi

>>111835801
>Lumi is really happy that her brother is more introverted than her. I can't imagine how she would feel if her baby brother socially mogged her while making look like a femcel and girlfailure.
Doesn’t her brother already mog her? Didn’t gumis say he actually princess carry her, which is why she started going to the gym?

>>111845672
directionally correct

Subnautica 2 feels so much slower than the glider from first game might be just me

I feel like we don't see this hairstyle on Lumi very often nowadays, do I recall correctly that she doesn't really like it?

I swear, does anyone else get the vibe that Lumi hates the game?

I suffer psychic damage every time she acknowledges a chatter by name like patrick star or remembers some detail like where they live or what their plans were last week or about their job interview. Bitch I've been watching you for 4 years and I'm invisible I'm not good enough for you?

>>111850875
gift more subs

>>111850875
Have you shown up to a meet and greet or talked about your future plans or where you live?

>>111850875
>he's not in the secret Discord

>>111850875
have you tried chatting retarded takes

>>111834836
If she was actually valuable she would have been picked up in college for the 6+ years she was there. Streaming just feels like a cope to forget she's getting older and to actually start a real job. I'm guessing she's going to figure it out in a year or 2. That's when the freak out will happen.

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why does everything needs to turn into mongolian

>>111852809
Mongolia is the best culture

>>111850968
I really fucking wish this was a thing.

>News about an older sister “allegedly” killing her younger brother’s GF because she was trying to turn him against her for the inheritance.
Lumi would side with the older sister here, right?

>>111858442
yes, but she'd critique her methods

>>111858442
Doesn’t Lumi fear this exact scenario?

>>111859221
she seems to be convinced her brother is getting the house and that it is their primary asset. she also has.. you know. a vagina. so she can roll the dice and be a writer secure in the knowledge that a certain someone will foot the bill because penis.

>>111859914
>she seems to be convinced her brother is getting the house and that it is their primary asset
But she's the firstborn. A second child can't usurp the firstborn. It goes against all inheritance laws.

>>111859969
well, not quite. in the good old days it went to the oldest son. modern intestacy usually has the estate pass to the kids equally. so it went from oldest son gets everything straight to even division, without an intermediary step where an oldest daughter could inherit. so common law says he gets at least half or more because benis > bagina.

>>111859969
Parents generally leave wealth to the kid that needs it the most and Lumi gets paid

>>111860232
the way lumi freaks out at introspection, even when that one cali bitch was pointing out super obvious stuff about trusting the robot in subnautica, makes me think he would benefit from having someone to talk things out with.

>>111860320
>makes me think he would benefit from having someone to talk things out with.
Didn't he try with Lumi, but she kept on betraying him to her parents?

>>111860792
Yes, he tried. And Lumi admitted she got the ick because of it.

>>111862443
Lies and slander, Lumi is mature and well-adjusted individual that would never get an unreasonable ick out of nowhere.

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>>111863666

>>111863666
>Lumi is mature and well-adjusted individual
Mature maybe. Well adjusted? Hell no

>>111864457
Oh boy I'm sure you'll tell us all about it

>>111860792
yeah hopefully he has a guy he can talk to.

I wish I could help make the scream stop.

>>111865191
you sound like a serial killer

>>111752826
>pic
Lumi is like Seneca, in a way. Not all conflicts are the same. The majority of people argue to win, not to find the truth. Therefore, you are retarded if you get into arguments thinking "okay, but this argument WILL be productive", like a guy who loves gambling. You are better off not interacting with people more than necessary.

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my wife Kaneko Lumi looks so pretty today in this outfit

Why was she playing this giga autism game? It's not like her usual Youtube games and clearly hates it.

lumi focusing lore makes me happy. if a game doesnt have problem solving it needs a great plot. this game needed more beastiary lore.
too bad they are trying to push the book on her cause it's not her thing