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>>287441569

a Methode thread? in this economy?

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>>287441927
HOP IN

Are there any actual fans of this series other than me, or is the drought of new material besides fanart led there to be nothing but detractors? I just want to talk about something I love with other people who also love it

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>>287442532
There are. The series is just stuck in an unfortunate place. Anime just finished a filler season where no plotlines go anywhere, and the most prominent side characters are irrelevant and unlikely to ever appear again. You can only discuss single-episode plots so much. Manga went on hiatus after dropping several giant revelations-or-maybe-not in quick succession. It is very difficult to discuss it until those revelations are confirmed or discredited as lies/delusions. Too much is now left in the air, including the very nature of the world.

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>>287441569
I ship it

I'm in love with Sense

Dominate female demons
Reeducate female demons
Breed with female demons

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>>287441569

Ara?

>>287444608
Nah she'll end up with Sein, it was foreshadowed and everything.

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>>287441569
Mega Methode Monday

>>287441569
>mofu mofus your elf wife in front of you
what do?

>>287445552
Zelda isnt that small. She’s bigger than link in fact

>>287446446
How tall is Link?

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>bangers in your path
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrJV5rYNS14

>>287445902
pout without restraint

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>>287446804
>>287445902
like this

>>287445678
Methode would probably not even acknowledge his existence if they met

>>287441569
nina looks a lot better when not drawn by urasawa, who was already cute anyways

>>287445678
... but enough about Frieren.

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>lunch soon

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>>287442763
this might be the wrong place to post this so feel free to report. I made a group a while back for anime and vidya stuff because things can be hard to discuss here at times. As frierenposters you guys have probably experienced it first hand. If you're interested, see pastebin dot com slash TaCPksGr . It's probably not for everyone, I prefer it to be more of a hugbox than a total shitpost-allowed free speech place, but I do hope it stays low commitment so people don't get stressed. t. watched both frieren seasons and thought it was okay but there are a few other frieren anime fans in the group, not sure about manga readers

>>287446498
Average for a hylian? Idk

>>287441569
methode monday? Is there a day for every char now? What's Fern's day?

methode milk monday

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>>287449780
Fernsday Thursday

>>287449780
Frieren Friday
Serie Saturday
Sense Sunday
Methode Monday
Denken Duesday
Wirbel Wednesday
Fernsday Thursday

Who needs Methode mondays when she will never show up in manga again in real years time?
Like most interesting characters.

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>>287447984
Frieren is too busy sexually assaulting underage demons.

>>287451442
What did she do there? Just kill him with raw magic?

>>287451465
I think she just cuts his head off. Same spell she used to cut off his hands

>>287451465
I think it's the same spell that Übel uses offensively.

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>>287441569
I just watched S2.
It's so sad to see this show go downhill like this. This season was not even worth keeping on the hard drive.
All great things are destined to continue until they're not.

>>287451793
shut up shonentard

>>287445678
When and where?

>>287451026
Why not Tod Tuesday?

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>>287454440

>>287446498
Average Japanese teen male size. Zelda follows LOTR descriptions of elves except that she is also the elf equivalent of a teenager and so not full sized.
Frieren's author went for a complete reversal and made elf women tiny.

>>287454485
No one knows who that is

The sad thing for us manga followers is that since this season shows they have funding commitment to do ALL volumes of the manga, without any major cuts, getting to the start of the current arc won't be until 2031 at the earliest.
Which means the mangaka's hiatus has no reason to end until 2031 since killing a major character right now could compromise seasons three or four.
Supposedly he was sick but it looks more like he is being paid to not do anything more about Serie and the Empire

>>287454738
I do, she's the brown girl whose curse will cover the whole world in a few years. (She's Indian)

>>287454772
Oh and fans of Bocchi the Rock are also screwed. The director and animation director for Freiren also did Bocchi. The animation director for Freiren actually did the episode director role for Ep 1-4 of season one because they had to start production while Bocchi was still airing and Bocchi fell behind schedule.
In Febuary Saito told the media he would not be working on Bocchi S2- and we know now that its because he already knew Freiren was going to be approved for multiple seasons. So now the Bocchi production comittee- if it still exists- has a greenlit show with literally no one to make it so all of Kirara's other partners might disappear as well.

>>287454738
Wait till next season

>>287454485
I thought it was Tot.

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Linie Leusday

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>>287455644
I want Linie to kill me violently.

>>287455289
Who knows with the weird katakana and scanlators making guesses. I've seen scanlators unsure If one character is called Phrase or Fräse

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>>287451793
yeah i agree
not really interested in the rest of S2, it's such a massive tonal shift from the first season.
>>287453979
idiot

>>287455289
TOOOOOT

>>287455265
Im up to date on the manga. Tot is so minor of a character that i literally don’t remember anything about him other than that hes a demon

>>287455753
Lol, there was no “tonal shift” at all from s1 to s2. Stop pretending you’re anything other than a drooling shonentard

@287456299
Moron.

>>287454553
why can't they have two priests? are they at member cap? is frieren's party skill too low?

>>287451793
>>287455753
>>287456299
>>287456313
I'm sure the mods run bots to write ragebait posts to drive engagement and make the site seem busier than it is to defraud advertisers.

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>>287441569
This bitch is so hot, she reminds me of Rangiku, both physically and in the playful oneesan personality trait, minus the alcoholism.

>>287446517
Nice. Is the OST out yet or is it one of those fan completed things?

>>287456195
Him? He? Oh no

>>287456351
nice cope
S2 Frieren was just not good, anyone with an ounce of taste could tell.
I don't really care desu this is the way of anime. Enthusiasm and quality is extremely short-lived in this medium. One excellent season was enough.

>>287456440
The fact that i didnt remember shes a girl shows how unimportant she is. So Denken Duesday is still better

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>>287456498
Linie Luesday

>>287456588
Dead evil bitches are ineligible

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>>287451793
All great things are destined to get a movie 20 years later. On that vein, you can watch the new avatar: aang anime movie with other anons here!

cytu dot be /r/scifichan

>>287446446
Link is tiny dude

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Finally

>>287457367
Compared to other hylians?

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>>287456588
wow, she's teabagging, just like she did in the anime

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>>287457574
i want to be disemboweled by her then have her teabag me just as i'm dying.

>>287457690
not me, i am a normal guy, i only want her to ride me then cut my cock at the moment of orgasm then slit my throat and eat me

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>>287448444
That's the most demonic "walk" I've ever seen.
Kill it with fire.

>>287448444
>lunch
>it's dark out
>"what about second lunch"

I bet Ubel smells like body odor

Frieren is the most successful and most popular anime in the world and is a testament to Frieren being an 11/10 masterpiece. The narrative is perfect, the characters are perfect, and the animation is absolute peak. I personally think /a/ should be strictly devoted to Frieren, just like how most anime groups irl all revolve around Frieren. I can't stand seeing other anime being posted here. They are literally beneath us.

>>287450162
Mangafags, will we see Sein again in Season 3?

>>287458333
No. May not even see him in season 4

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This is the hottest woman in the manga/show. Only young Flamme and Ubel come close.

>>287458333
he only appeared very recently in the manga

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>>287458567
She's also the coolest given her performance against katana demon

>>287458786
god i love season 2's animation

>>287458333
yes, but it will take 3-4 seasons before he will return.

>>287459117 (me)
sorry, somehow didn't notice that you meant specifically in the s3, but you get the drill.

>>287444608
Methode is too good for genau

>>287450162
Why is season 3 so far away anyway?

>>287455673
>>287457690
>>287457711
Stop projecting your sick fantasies on Linie. She's a pure girl who just likes fighting. Go to Solitar if you want to be gruesomely killed in a sexual way, I'm sure she would be glad to expand her understanding of human fetishes.

>>287459428
That's kinda in-line with the 2020s standards. And with the manga in hiatus hell, they may as well take their time. A total of 7 chapters (3-3.5 episodes worth) released in 2025 and none in 2026 so far.

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I have a great lust for this corpulent hag

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>>287458209
>>287458567
tits literally too big
Fern is my upper bound

>>287461407
... typed Stark while crying under careful watch of Fern.

>>287441569
>>287441906
>be incredibly disinterested
>she suddenly licks her lips
>instant sexo
Why? I don't care about Ubel being bloodthirsty, what is it about Methode that suddenly triggered it?

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>>287459549
>go to solitar
I want to still get to nut before I die, not die in the middle of taking my pants off because she wants to see if my hands still hold my pants in a death grip and what my reaction is to it

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>>287461407
HA! Gay.

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>>287462407
i prefer girlish figures. frieren, ubel and linie are more my speed.

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>>287462602

>>287462387
Well, your pic might be unironically canon (Ubel's magic is bordering on incomprehensible for someone with a human mindset, her hobbies are understanding others and killing them, etc, etc). Thus Solitar clearly can keep a human around for a time. You just have to trust your luck and hope that today she's in the mood for a more protracted research.

>>287462787
I bet Ubel herself is the super-curse that one demon was talking about making in the time travel section

>>287462857
Nah, Ubel might be rare, but she's not unique. Frase is the same type of an intuitist mage.

>>287446894
lol i love these little niggas in PlantsVersusZombies
Fuck Fern, by the way, she's a major bitch

>>287462716
Damn, medieval people dress like THIS?

>>287462716
absolutely irish ass

>>287456760
Demons will soon evolve to BREED with and prefer human men as a form of survival knowing eating humans is a detriment to their continued survival.

How would Frieren react to the coupling?

>>287463191
What a shit game
This is the equivalent of saying "durr I enjoyed those guys from Farmville"
I'm disgusted that you play that (assuming you aren't a shill) let alone admit it out loud
kill yourself

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>>287462602
Yeah no, Methode is still hotter

>>287441569
What type of magic did she get from Serie?

>>287463322
She didn't ask for magic, she asked for headpat privileges.

>>287463322
Giving Serie 10 minute headpats

>>287463274
probably with disinterest since she's a frigid bitch
she needs to get her clit sucked by fern and starku

>>287463302
fat bitch

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>>287463191
>Fuck Fern, by the way, she's a major bitch
She's a good girl

>>287456461
Season 1 wasn't excellent either, a big part of it was battle shonen(mage exam arc)

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>>287464077
chuuni exams went on too long but they weren't bad in of themselves, they introduced a lot of characters in that arc and gave serie some screen time. i enjoyed the fights.

>>287441569
I really want to touch her hair

>>287464077
>>287464493
I didn't care for it on first read
I thought, what is this holdup, last time this happened it was resolved by the end of the chapter and they left with a ticker tape parade
But it's better on rereads once you know where it's all going and you can slow down and take in the details you overlooked at first because your dopamine-starved brain was constantly screeching "get on with it" and making you read too quickly and missing things because they were innocuous until you know what's going to happen later
Then I got to see it animated
>>287464576
Yeah I'd love to know what shampoo and conditioner she uses

>>287464077
The whole thing was a battle shonen. Same is true for S2.

>>287464680
If you can convince yourself of this hilariously obvious falsehood I wonder what other untruths your mind is able to entertain. Can you look at a man and a see a woman?

>>287441569
I feel like my body penis and heart are finally reacting more to adult women than to the average FMC age.
I'm proud of myself.

>>287456436
Rangiku never did it for me.
Methode is something else.

>>287464907
I feel like I need to get bigger so I can better fit myself into this newfound world.
I need bigger arms so I can carry these bigger women.
I'm gonna go back to the gym.

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>>287463498
>fat bitch
In all the right places

Cuddling with methode

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Read the manga after the end of the second season. El dorado arc is alright but everything that came after it was crap. Art looked bad too. Anime has been a massive upgrade for this series

Alright, this thread has gone long enough. You guys can let it die now

>>287455753
>pic
what's her problem?

>>287472037
>what's her problem?
Serie is thousands of years old and liked to come across as cold and uncaring. Being head patted and called cute by mommy Methode destroys that image in front of all her also cold mage-slaves.

>>287458567
>young Flamme
Meeting-Frieren young or meeting-Serie young?

Test

>>287472037
Imagine having an overly affectionate hyperactive dog. You would be annoyed too.

>>287464880
Frieren is literally published in a shonen manga magazine, most of us are fans of shonen here.

>shows with any action or fighting are "shonen"

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>>287456345
>4 member party cap
So Frieren is a shitty universe after all, if your party cap is not 6 Im not getting isekaied into you.

>>287456345
low CHA, they should switch party leader to Stark

>>287473716
This. Some pillow huggers are terribly insecure.

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>>287464943
Nah m8, Rangiku is great too.

>>287470798
I agree with the poster of the previous comment

>>287441569
Holy shit anons
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RudO5YaZXF0

>>287478333
That guy is good. I like several of his tracks

>>287478488
I love After 1000 Years

It's SoL first and shonen second

>>287478646
Yeah that's a good one. Deep in the Dungeon also gets stuck in my head despite how simple and chill it is

>>287478663
For the first 4 episodes. Once Srark is introduced, it becomes battle shonen first and foremost.

>>287478663
You don’t have to neatly characterize an anime as one genre or other before deciding whether you’re allowed to like it

Which is your favourite track /a/?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8F0Qus22qM&list=OLAK5uy_nSE5cp7hbTAAhKZoAnEtQJqC9z24deJmw

>>287480901
oh and this one too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbxBmQfiut0&list=OLAK5uy_k1GEPAviw_ylaBYJ0xExmsxvoZ1LVx35E&index=1

>>287480901
Our Hero's theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RudO5YaZXF0&list=RDRudO5YaZXF0&start_radio=1

Never trust elves.

>>287451793
holy fucking retard actually made me reel in my seat

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>>287481123
The era of demons begins

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Is there any reason why a first class mage needs such a first class obscene body?

>>287484056
Easy mental debuff against male opponents

>>287482970
never trust our elves?

If the Golden Land theme is already this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Viox6UCb_TM

It means the actual Macht theme will be Souls Boss level of epic, right?

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>>287484101
>>287484170
>exotic spells
>good at teamwork
>certified hag elf tamer
>killer body
>good at psychological warfare
She's truly the whole package.

>>287484350
Okay

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never trust elves

>>287484502
trust elves, believe elves, love elves, headpat elves, give elves lots of grimoires

>>287484502
The enemy of my enemy is my friend, therefore, I trust elves who hate demons.

>>287484350
Good for you.

>>287479655
not really true, for S1 stark is involved in quick battles and the series still retains SoL focus
mage exam stage 1 & 2 and revolte arc is where battle shonen is most prevalent, but taking all 38 episodes into account it is still skewed towards SoL
>>287480266
pointing out an error people make in its categorisation is only going to happen once I already like something, I'm not going to think about this before I decide to like it

>287484350
Every frieren thread you can just about guarantee that this dumb fucking retard will crawl out of his hole to post this stupid shit

>>287486117
You still haven't explained what makes Frieren so worthy of praise, to the point that it's the #1 anime ever

>>287486664
tell us about your favorite anime anon

>>287478488
>>287478646
I'm more of a hero of the south chad myself
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RWr3x9llJY&list=RD1RWr3x9llJY

>>287484350
It's not special, it's not bad either.
It's part of a revival of the fantasy genre and it does things in a different way, combining aspects of old school epic fantasy with aspects of drama and "comfy" SoL. This mix is somewhat new and got people excited.
Somehow the hype reached a level where people start believing this show was a flawless masterpiece not because it is but because they were just blinded by the hype. After all psychologically it feels good to be part of something exciting.
Season 1 also came out pretty strong, the glaring flaws were only laid bare in the horrible 2nd season that had nothing new or exciting to offer. Instead it laid bare the utter dullness of the main characters and the overall complete lack of character progression, amongst other issues regarding world building and plot.

Stop lewding Method, she is a 6.3 by anime standards

>>287484160
>It means the actual Macht theme will be Souls Boss level of epic
It is already better than most themes from Soulsborne. And probably it is the Macht theme. He is the main character of the arc after all. I wonder if chorus has any meaning or it is just gibberish.

>>287487550
>Instead it laid bare the utter dullness of the main characters
They are okay. Their relaltionships are incredibly toxic, sure. It is sad when someone as fucked up as Denken is the psychologically healthiest character with screentime past a single episode. But I would not call them boring.

>and the overall complete lack of character progression, amongst other issues regarding world building and plot.

S2 covers the weakest part of the manga, which tries to combine the old sidequest format with setting up things necessary for the plot.

>>287488058
>Their relaltionships are incredibly toxic,
They are barely there. These three have spent now how much time together? One year? Two years? Constantly together, 24/7 for most of the time.
How have they made zero progress in getting to know each other, in getting closer? How are their interactions so utterly superficial and boring?

>>287486664
It's not #1, but still a great show if you turn off your brain

>>287489367
I agree that timescale is fucked up. The author clearly had never been in a small group of people that engages in some sort of dangerous activity and it shows. Over such long period of time, they would have either resolved their issues, or the group would have exploded.

And the issues are, Frieren obviously has no desire to get closer to anyone. Except, perhaps, Sein, because he's her type. She is totally fine with just dragging a couple of servants/meatshields on her quest. Her mind is heavily occupied with her old simp, who can't possibly cause any messy emotional problems, because he's dead. Fern wants to have her foster mom all to herself (in a non-sexual manner), and also wants a pet betacuck to carry her luggage and frontline for her in battles. She is not a slightest bit interested in Stark romantically, she just vaguely understands that there are limits to controlling him with guilt and feelings of inadequacy alone. Finally, Stark is a classic case of an unloved kid who has a crippling inferiority complex and does not understand that this team will not give him affection he years for.

I didn't find their interactions in S1 and 2 boring. Sure, the author probably intended said interactions to produce warm and fuzzy feelings, rather than morbid fascination, but that is still fascination.
Also, the following seasons might be more up your valley, because Fern and Stark are basically relegated to NPCs there.

>>287489644
>Also, the following seasons might be more up your valley, because Fern and Stark are basically relegated to NPCs there.
Guess I'll keep monitoring the situation, my favorite part so far was the mage exams with all the different characters.

>>287489644
>Over such long period of time, they should either resolved their issues
You're really wondering why the writer hasn't eliminated the opportunity for interpersonal drama??
>>287489753
>my favorite part so far was the mage exams
It still amazes me how there are people who will openly admit to liking the absolute worst part of the entire manga

>>287489644
Do you put effort into getting it all wrong or does it come naturally?

>>287490255
>You're really wondering why the writer hasn't eliminated the opportunity for interpersonal drama??
The extent of interpresonal drama this author is capable of is everyone having to deal with Fern pouting over something retarded again.

>absolute worst part of the entire manga
I don't know about the manga, it's certainly the best part of the anime so far. That and the Aura arc.

>>287490602
He's a comedy and SoL writer, wtf are you expecting
>The part where the characters are forced to fight in the multi episode shonenshit exams to get a liocence just so they could pass a checkpoint was the high point of the entire series
Jesus fucking Christ

>>287490773
>the high point of the entire series
Reading comprehension, I said "so far".
Also don't you have some moeslop to watch?

>>287491160
>Reading comprehension, I said "so far".
I understand clearly, you said that out of the entire series to date the part where it stops being character driven and decends purely into shonenslop laser beam fights where characters are operating exclusively on 'im doing this because I have to' is the high point out all 38 episodes you have watched so far.

Which is funny because alot of manga readers consider this part (and still do) the low point of the entire series

>>287491290
Yes, I said that, because the three main characters are too dull and boring to carry a character-driven show. The show gets good when other characters are added to the mix, because almost all other characters are less boring than those three.
S1 gets a grace period in the beginning as the central characters are established. After the Aura arc Sein gets added to the mix and he makes things a lot more interesting.
And then we're already in the mage exam arc with many different side characters and Stark sidelined. And while the battles add some excitement, I got more out of the various characters and their interactions. The final battle was pretty cool though.
And now we have S2 where all of these characters that have been introduced just vanish again. We get a short arc with Genau and Methode who aren't the most interesting characters, but it's better than nothing. Also they teased Wirbel in the beginning of the season and then he never appeared again.
All in all, you need actually well written, complex, and interesting main characters if you do a character-driven story, and Frieren, Fern, and Stark are anything but that.

so, any news for the new chappie?

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>>287491496
>Yes, I said that, because the three main characters are too dull and boring to carry a character-driven show
Fern and Stark are not the ones driving the plot, that's Frieren.
Literally every arc she drives the plot from a character perspective expect for parts of the mage exams which is just a typical 'weekly mangaka has ran out of ideas so just throw in a standard exam/tournament arc until I can think of something actually good to write'. That's why it's weaker, not for the over abundance of action, but because it's just not anywhere near as character driven as the rest of it.
You will notice that it does eventually come back to centralising on her character, during the latter stages of the 1st and the 2nd exam but the bit before then is purely throwaway action slop featuring characters you know little more about than their clothing and ability. All the mage exams contestants are very underwritten and only really Denken that is introduced in that arc that has any kind of substantive character and that's 90% due to Golden Lands (actually a good arc which the plot is entirely character driven by Frieren and Denken)

Aside from all that the idea that Frieren cannot drive a character driven show is just evidently untrue, but of course you need characters for her to interact with and so introducing new ones to introduce new plot points, small or large, is a thing that the writer does since the very beginning of the manga

>And now we have S2 where all of these characters that have been introduced just vanish again
Because such amazing characters like angry lesbians, speed girl and smirk slashing girl's purpose what been served when the exam ended. Welcome to the concept of supporting characters

>>287491630
Doesn't look like it

>>287441569
Imagine if this anime weren’t a slow, slice-of-life shonen, but instead a heavily political story where devils are purely cunning, evil beings who subvert, corrupt, and literally eat societies without exception.
Had a massive potential, what a let down.

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>>287491913
>Fern and Stark are not the ones driving the plot, that's Frieren.
Do I even need to explain why this is a bad thing? Look, even if you just write a battle shonen, you are supposed to use all of your core trio to advance the plot. It's the sign of bad writing to leave some of them as mere attachments to the MC.
But if you write slice-of-life, which is a huge portion of Frieren's early parts, the dynamics between the core cast are the heart of your story. In Frieren's party those dynamics are weak and quickly get stale, because the characters never move beyond their initial premises, these premises are not very entertaining, and the author lacks balls to intentionally portray this inability to move forward as disfunctional.

That's the exact reason why starting from the mage exam the series started turning towards the big plot happenings, with the exam itself serving to set up a bunch characters which are only becoming relevant in the current arc. While you're right that Stark and Fern ended up as increasingly irrelevant hanger-ons, Frieren herself is also not a character who can drive the story for several hundreds of chapters. The author could get some more mileage out of her, if he was ready to meaningfully challenge her convictions about humans, magic, or some shit, but so far he wasn't. So we get the current situation, where she can repeatedly disappear from the story for several chapters in a row.

>actually a good arc which the plot is entirely character driven by Frieren and Denken
Golden Land is driven by Macht. He gets the most attention by a mile, his actions draw in all the other characters, and all other characters, including Frieren, effectively orbit him.

>>287492044
>, but instead a heavily political story where devils are purely cunning, evil beings who subvert, corrupt, and literally eat societies without exception.
Not sure if this an anime-only or an ironic shitposter.

>>287492383
>Golden Land is driven by Macht
Again, this is just untrue. He barely drives the plot all, he's just the center of attention that the protagonists need to overcome
Even as a villain he's actually a pretty weak plot driver. He just sits there, Frieren and Denken come up with a plan, he just waits while they go and visit him, Frieren interrogates, Frieren analyses his memories and Macht again...just sits there while she comes up with a way they can defeat him. Another villain gets introduced to bust him out of the gold prison, again he's not pushing the plot at all at that point either and then he effectively walks a hundred meters down the road and gets killed.
>Frieren herself is also not a character who can drive the story for several hundreds of chapters.
Well she already did for 100 chapters after mage exams so you seem to be talking out of your ass here too
>we get the current situation, where she can repeatedly disappear from the story for several chapters in a row.
Is this literally the first manga you have read? The longer a manga goes on the bigger the cast gets, the current arc has alot of characters and multiple factions, shes been out of chapters since Aura arc but it always comes around to centralise on her sooner or later because she's the primary protagonist. Meaningless observation

It's clear you have no fucking clue what you are talking about btw. Most of not all your points of factually incorrect

>>287492557
You've just insisted that this story is character-driven, but now you're talking solely about the plot. Do you even understand that character-driven stories are different from plot-driven stories?

>He barely drives the plot all, he's just the center of attention that the protagonists need to overcome
>He barely drives the plot, he's just driving it
Lol.

>Is this literally the first manga you have read. The longer a manga goes on the bigger the cast gets,
There are plenty of manga which are almost entirely episodic and feature little to no permanent cast bloat. If we just talk about "girl on a trip through fantasyland with no clear destination" stories - Kino's Journey, Shoulder-a-Coffin Kuro. But those are written by authors who can regularly come up wuth new situations and protagonists who can interact with those situations in an entertaining fashion. While Frieren's author ran out of steam quickly and gradually started changing the entire premise. Everyone knows it. You know it too. You're just trying to put into words that do not sound disparaging.

>>287492881
>Do you even understand that character-driven stories are different from plot-driven stories?
I'm talking about characters driving the plot dumbass, not the plot driving the characters. Character driven meaning it's the characters making decisions about what happens and enacting this, not being forced to act by things outside their control. Characters are the focus, not the plot. Stop acting the retard, this is basic stuff.

You want an example of this from an arc you clearly don't understand? Well that would be Golden Lands.
This isn't a plot driven by a dangerous demon threatening the lands so character are reacting, this is a story driven by Denkens desire to see his homeland as it once was and asking Frieren to help him and her agreeing purely because she emphasises with his situation. She is putting herself at risk because the things that matter to him matters to her too.
THIS is a character driven narrative, not what you seem to think one is and yes Macht is not driving the plot of that arc much at all he's simply the obstacle Frieren and Denken need to overcome to make what they decided to happen, happen.
>gradually started changing the entire premise.
You are utterly talking out of your ass again. Lmao
Tell me when the premise of Frieren travelling on a new adventure to Aureole changed? What is it now? do you regularly just talk absolute bollocks in hope somebody will be sad enough to entertain your delusions?

>>287492383
>He gets the most attention by a mile
There's chapters where he's not even in like the ones between Frieren and Solitar.
Denken is as much relevant to the golden land arc as Macht is, even though the demon seems to get more focus as the big antagonist of the arc.

>>287493133
>emphasises
empathizes

>>287493133
You are, unfortunately, too retarded to realize that you are, in fact, retarded. You're just making shit up to deny that your favorite story had flaws.

>Character driven meaning it's the characters making decisions about what happens and enacting this, not being forced to act by things outside their control.

No:
https://jerichowriters.com/character-driven-vs-plot-driven-stories/
"In short, a character-driven story is one where the focus will be more on character development than on the plot."

https://nybookeditors.com/2017/02/character-driven-vs-plot-driven-best/
"When you focus on plot, you focus on events."
"A character-driven story is focused on studying the characters that make up your story."

Early chapters of Frieren are character-driven. There is very little plot to speak of. But the author was not able to sustain that narrative, because the main characters were not interesting enough. Golden Land is character-driven. But the character is Macht. And Frieren to a substantially lesser extent.

However, starting from mage examps, the narrative changes to a plot-driven one. The premise of Frieren traveling to Aureole starts mattering less and less. By now it became an excuse for her to conveniently stumble into stories which aren't really about her. Like the current political tangle. And you have long admitted himself, that Frieren's companions are now irrelevant.

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>>287493300
>A character-driven story is focused on studying the characters that make up your story.
Which is exactly what I'm saying? lol
Characters acting to make the plot happen based on their wants and desires. It's completely reflective of who they are and let's you get a deeper understanding of them. This manga does this Alot, even the Macht flashbacks are a reflection of Frieren's history, it's in part used for us to get a deeper understanding of her character.
Also you seem to be under some false impression that stories are either character or plot when all are a combination of both, but one will almost always be the primary focus and Frieren is character.
>Early chapters of Frieren are character-driven.
First time you have been correct
>There is very little plot to speak of.
Didn't take you long to be completely incorrect again though
>Golden Land is character-driven. But the character is Macht. And Frieren to a substantially lesser extent.
Somehow missed off Denken, very odd
>By now it became an excuse for her to conveniently stumble into stories which aren't really about her. Like the current political tangle
Maybe if you speedread the arc and didn't think about it for a few seconds you might think that.
But since the whole situation really revolves around Flammes ideology (which Frieren carries), the fact they made the main villain big a Himmel fan who has only experience magic as a tool of death and destruction, inevitably about to be encountered by flower magic girl. It should be really fucking obvious that this will (once again) end up centralising on Frieren

>>287493548
>But since the whole situation really revolves around Flammes ideology (which Frieren carries), the fact they made the main villain big a Himmel fan who has only experience magic as a tool of death and destruction, inevitably about to be encountered by flower magic girl. It should be really fucking obvious that this will (once again) end up centralising on Frieren

It should be really fucking obvious that the plot is not moving forward, because the author cannot visualise a non-retarded way of making what you just wrote happen. And what you can't visualise, you can't do, lol. Like, talk-no-jutsuing Pain had the whole net lmaoing at that bullshit. But that was nowhere near as dumb, as an autismal elf with introverted personality and poor people skills talking down Lowe in the middle of a fight, which has to start, because otherwise she won't even know whom she has to talk down. And while not having even a faintest idea what his motivation is. And that's assuming that talking Lowe down is remotely enough to stop the upcoming clusterfuck, even though quite a few chapters were spent showing that it isn't. Both Frase and Serie also want a fight.

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>>287493883
>talking down Lowe in the middle of a fight, which has to start, because otherwise she won't even know whom she has to talk down
She will obviously just get his identity off Falsch, so fight not needed

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>>287487711
That's very much not true but anyway, if she's a six then call me average Joe's 'cause I'm aiming low.

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>>287494555
Genau is so lucky...

>>287494250
I mean, it only takes Falsch getting away from the guy who just hayay'd him. Even though he wasn't fast enough to fuck off while still having his arm. And conveniently running into Frieren before that guy walks into the main ballroom. And explaining everything to her, before the couple who just manhandled him reaches the main ballroom. And then Frieren somehow managing to actually convince Lowe. Again, before the fight spills into the main ballroom.

I mean, the author absolutely can contrive all that. I can already tell that Falsch will asspull an escape. But doing so without the whole sequence looking, well, contrived, is another matter.

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>>287494719
I personally think Sein already missed his chance. Methode was acting pretty wifey towards this edgefag the entire time they were together.

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>>287495882
You think? I don't think she likes him very much and afterwards she can't wait to get away from him :P

Gay elves?

>>287496846
can someone explain what the point of frieren collecting grimoires is
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>>287496960
Because it's her hobby, simple as that. She just likes going around searching for and collecting weird magic spells
But as for accepting Grimoires specially off people as rewards, well it's explained in s2 that it's just something she picked up off Himmel because you don't want to the person your helping to feel endebted to you.
So it's basically a win win for her.

>>287497489
she must have a fucking arsenal of cool spells but we never see her do anything cool, she couldn't even make the stone bread shit more edible
maybe she's senile and forgets all the spells except zoltrak, the one for cleaning statues and the one for making flowers.

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giwtwm

methode's pits and tits

>>287497533
I reckon the author didn't actually know you're not meant to eat hardtack dry.

>>287487711
You need to say who's a 10 then if you're going to say that.

>>287495033
Dude's literally called "False", he most likely never lost his arm, and it was an illusion or something.

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>>287496149
Let's be fair, if it's between a man she knows she has wrapped around her finger and patting a new tiny elf, she's choosing new elf every time.

>>287499217
No wonder he was so calm about it

can autistic elves consent?

So what's going to happen when they get to where the manga ends?

>>287502150
We'll find out in a decade or so

>>287501999
She's barely a thousand years old you sick fuck!

>>287499217
Ultimately it doesn't matter much. I've already said that Falsch is likely to escape. Then he has to meet up with Frieren. Then, assuming Frieren's minions can at least stall Eisen Lite, which they can, Frieren's gets a chance to talk with Lowe.

Except Lowe is a fucking provincial governor in the Empire. He knows about Flamme's legacy and peaceful applications of magic far more than some wandering elf. That did not discourage him What Frieren can conceivably, theoretically, hypothetically say that will sway him? Given his stated convictions? Remember, Lowe does not just believe that human magic is evil. He believies that it is a foreign element that gave rise to monsters and demons. What Frieren could say in response to "Your flowers grow on the bones of people eaten by demons. If you seriously think Himmel would approve of that, you're just as narcissistic as Minus, but also delusional." I'm not saying Lowe is objectively right. I'm saying there is no way to talk him out of his position.

But let's assume Frieren manages to talk-no-jutsu him before bunch of people die, without that sounding completely fucking retarded. Then she just have to somehow deal with the magical special forces, which are very clearly waiting until Serie's party is weakened to take their own shot at her. And then she will have to deal with Serie herself, who at best would be mightily pissed, if denied her long-awaited good fight. Even assuming she's not actually an outright villain, which is not bloody likely, given her previous actions.

Long story short, the situation is writen in a way, that a catastrophic battle is imminent, and even if Frieren was the type of person who is good at solving conflicts peacefully (she isn't), it is not an outcome that one person can avert.

>>287494250
"I need to meet up with Frieren and the others", he says
With Frieren
Not Serie, his boss and the whole reason they're there
Not Sense, who is in charge of the mission
Frieren, who isn't even meant to be there and just got shanghaied into it

>>287502684
Every time the story tries going somewhere big, Frieren (the character) always keeps it from moving in a more interesting direction that shifts the status quo. This is a journey about getting to Ende, not solving Empire problems that she barely gives a shit about.

There’s no way we’re going to see Frieren and the party fight and kill humans. Demons are monsters, but Frieren herself is too much of a mascot to show doing morally grey things.

>>287502684
Are you retarded? Serie clearly *wants* to resolve things peacefully since she knows her approach doesn't work, which is why she choose people that think unlike her. But still, obviously all these characters have been introduced because there will be fights, Fräse is nearly guaranteed a fight against Land and Übel for one, and Löwe will show us why he's considered the strongest Shadow Warrior. Still, Radaal situation was resolved peacefully, Fern already spared Lore, Frieren promised Sein to try to avoid bloodshed if it doesn't risk Stark or Fern's lives. You made it in your mind to be some impossible conundrum even though battle shonen fights very often go exactly like this with no or very limited casualities despite deadly force being theoretically used.

>>287502729
Serie will have everybody's eyes on her, and Sense is her personal bodyguard now. Frieren is more free to move around.

>>287503108
That's true. I just thought it was a weird thing to say. Maybe it's the translation, I don't know.

>>287503052
>Serie clearly *wants* to resolve things peacefully since she knows her approach doesn't work,
Approach to what, anon? What, in your opinion, Serie's goal is? Why she created the Continental Mage Association? Why she built it the way she did? Why is she super happy at the ball, smiling like a cat all the time outside of the dream segment?

>which is why she choose people that think unlike her.
Or people who are not obedient and predictable enough, and therefore are expendable.

>>287491630
They are still not healthy

>>287451081
>interesting character
>ufufufu I know more than you think I do fufufu

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>>287461357
>those abs
Say what you will about demons, they have a serious fucking workout regiment. I don't think we see a single one that's out of shape

>>287505445
>ufufufu I know more than you think I do fufufu
H-hot.

>frienrentubers are already back making Frieren content since they can't get the same response from Woke Hat

I WANT THE MANGA BACK AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>287503672
the picture of Frieren trying to rape some guy is extremely funny

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>>287508053
her extreme dorkishness just makes it more awkward
Serie on the other hand... I can imagine her molesting humans along the ages

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>>287455644
Demons disintegrate upon death, but why not have sex with demons that goes beyond human limits?

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>>287508149
>her extreme dorkishness just makes it more endearing

>>287508304
Like Darkness trying and failing to force herself on Kazuma despite instruction?