>>287463505
The Crystal Tokyo stuff is just nonsense for little girls to gawk at and go “imma pwincess!”. That’s kind of what the magical girl genre is all about.

Yes, you expected too much from an anime for little girls.
In case you're wondering, the source material is even worse and reads like a rushed parody.

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>>287463505
I feel like you were honestly expecting too much from an anime. And I don't mean that as some kind of insult toward the medium like "all anime have shit writing," but that I feel like most shows wouldn't go into such extensive detail about distant future lore and those that do are the exception rather than the rule. A lot of shows like Sailor Moon, where it's like a shoujo fantasy aimed at a young audience. are more almost vibes-/aesthetic-based where you're just meant to accept the story given to you rather than look too deep into it because it's running on almost fairy tale/myth logic.

That said I can kind of try to answer this for the anime universe because I think they mostly tried to indirectly explain it in the R season:

>How are the are the ancient Moon and Earth kingdoms reestablished? How are Usagi, Mamoru, and the others still alive in 1000 years and appear to have not aged? How does Usagi reestablish the Silver Millennium and become Queen of the entire Earth?

Sometime in the future after the end of the series, like when Usagi's in her early 20s if we take the manga age of NQS as canon, some kind of cataclysm or enemy attack befalls the Earth and keeps it and its inhabitants frozen for like 1000 years. Eventually somehow Usagi's power, likely from the Silver Crystal, allows her to break free of this, reverse the cataclysm, turn the entire Earth (?) into Crystal Tokyo I guess, and become the ruler/god of the planet. But essentially they were all just frozen for hundreds of years.

The manga timeline is different so it's not really worth explaining it here. Long story short though there wasn't a cataclysm but instead the Silver Crystal presumably allowed Usagi and co. to live hundreds of years and also Chibiusa's really like 900+.

Stars does kinda suck as a season though but more because of the Starlights as characters

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>>287463505
Everyone Galaxia killed was magically brought back to life in the end, don't think too hard about it

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>>287463505
>Crystal Tokyo

>>287463677
>I feel like you were honestly expecting too much from an anime
Probably true, Madoka Magica was the first mahou shojou I watched and it set my quality expectations way too high.

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>>287463561
The magical girl genre is more middle aged men to gawk at and go "Iwanna fugg that pwincess!"

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>>287463699
>that slight hint of a nipple

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>>287463740
She cute

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>>287463757
It is slightly more visible here

>The final season of Sailor Moon really pissed me off
Isn't that pretty universal? The nips thought the series was over the hill contemporarily and I don't think that consensus has changed over time.

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>>287463677
thanks for explaining the lore, that was helpful

>>287463825
Cute

I don't think this hobby is for you,do you also wonder why they don't show the girls talking a piss and it needs to be explained??

I stopped watching when Chibi-Usa ruined the whole show.

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>>287463505
I know how you feel. When I was a kid I was basically awed by the idea that the show might only start off as this MotW thing, and then at some point actually delve into the epic drama involving Sailor Moon actually taking the throne and dealing with the consequences of that.

Naturally I was disappointed that this never properly got deal with, but the series was excellent otherwise and managed to pull off some of the best plotlines and character focused drama in all of anime regardless.

Naturally you'd hope that, if there was going to be an actual, final season, that they'd genuinely try to deal with these kind of things and properly result in a definite ending, but the reality of Japanese series seems to basically be what kills this kind of thing, authors are almost never allowed to plan out proper series endings and so you're stuck with things that mostly peter out and stop at whatever point the chopping knife decides. If would have been amazing as fuck if it could have actually been pulled off though.

>>287463677
>A lot of shows like Sailor Moon, where it's like a shoujo fantasy aimed at a young audience. are more almost vibes-/aesthetic-based
That may be true, but Sailor Moon seems to be uniquely ambitious for its genre in spite of the conventions it takes for granted, there's a real sense that, given what it gets into and how 'epic' its aims ended up being, that there was at least a possibility of dealing with these things, even if Naoko as an author wouldn't likely be equipped with the talent to write something that went so far out of line from her typical fair and pull it off well (as it's the other adaptations of Sailor Moon that correct the manga's problems and make the series actually compelling).

I’m still watching season 3. So far S1 > S3 > S2

>>287463576
The anime is the source material for Sailor Moon
The manga came later

>>287464365
How far are you through S3?

>>287463505
>Mainly, wtf is happening with Crystal Tokyo and the future timeline.

?

>How are the are the ancient Moon and Earth kingdoms reestablished?

Dunno, you got a chick with a all-powerfull artifact that saved the world at least 5 times from destruction.

>How are Usagi, Mamoru, and the others still alive in 1000 years and appear to have not aged?

Again, all-powerful artifact. The manga even states that the Silver Crystal prolonged their lifes.

>How does Usagi reestablish the Silver Millennium and become Queen of the entire Earth?

You already asked this.

>All of these are really interesting questions ...

Not really. You just seem to be REALLY stupid.

>>287464411
This is spiritually true. Sailor V may have come first, but when Sailor Moon came about it was clearly driven by the wishes of Toei's producers who wanted a manga to pair with the anime they were going to do anyway first and as a creative project of the author second.

>>287463615
Back in the day catching the final episode on tv randomly when I wasn't caught up at all was a pleasant surprise. I didn't think they'd ever go farther than transformations in nudity aspect but they did.

>>287463737
Then you have shit taste if you think Madoka is good lmao

>>287464551
That would explain why the author cares so little about the other team members in the manga.

>>287464365
Wow we've got very different taste, I thought season 2 was the best. Season 1 was the slowest and had the least story, despite being the longest season.

>>287464362
Completely agree, it would have been awesome if the final season abandoned the monster of the week formula and became a fully serialized epic sci-fi/fantasy.

>>287464490
Do you really think that a full story arc about Usagi rising to power and becoming Queen of the Earth wouldn't be awesome?

>>287464640
stfu PMMM is great

>>287464640
Madoka has like 2 genuinely excellent episodes that actually deserve full praise, but the rest of the show is average at best and full of weak writing.

>>287464411
Also, both are fundamentally different series even though both are derived from the same concept and characters.

Anime was better than the manga. Takeuchi was a mediocre story carried by a solid anime.

>>287463677
>Sometime in the future after the end of the series, like when Usagi's in her early 20s if we take the manga age of NQS as canon, some kind of cataclysm or enemy attack befalls the Earth and keeps it and its inhabitants frozen for like 1000 years. Eventually somehow Usagi's power, likely from the Silver Crystal, allows her to break free of this, reverse the cataclysm, turn the entire Earth (?) into Crystal Tokyo I guess, and become the ruler/god of the planet. But essentially they were all just frozen for hundreds of years.
They could explain it by having Galaxia to destroy Earth for pushing Usagi into despair but then Usagi defeat her and rebuild Earth but her power isn't enough so it takes 1000 years while everyone sleep.

>>287463647
>>287463615
No nippleschizo for this one?

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>Anno Domini 2026
>starting the day with a 'SailorStars pissed me off' rant
I will never not appreciate this.

>>287464305
Based

>>287464456
Just finished the episode with the three sameface dudes that became a meme

>>287464747
Season 2 isn't bad by any means but imo it didn't have a proper structure like S1 and S3 so far did, the aliens arc and the future arc are disconnected and the future plotline doesn't make much sense, maybe it will make more sense in retrospect with more infos though
I like monster of the week stuff so I liked S1 for that
I also love Madoka

>>287463505
>I was expecting it to explain the major unanswered questions of the series
You must be retarded then. How the fuck did you think any of that shit was relevant?

>>287466855
>maybe it will make more sense in retrospect with more infos
It doesn't. Crystal Tokyo basically doesn't get explained beyond what you see in season 2.

>>287466855
>the aliens arc and the future arc are disconnected
That's because the alien arc was pure filler while they waited for more material from the second arc in the manga to come out.

>>287464411
Incorrect, Takeuchi would come up with the story for every arc and present it to Toei for them to stretch into a full-length season.

>>287464898
The manga is better. The anime may have better character growth and screentime, but I prefer the most structured story of the manga. And the manga actually answers shit about the lore of the world.

>>287467526
And that's why it's the better part of R.

>>287467642
>The anime may have better character growth and screentime
So then the anime is better

>>287463505
I like tje Neherenia arc and tje character work in the season (The gag of Rei running all the way from her own school is fucking FANTASTIC) but plotwise it's a rather weak season.

>>287467702
Not really. Overall, I think the anime and manga are complimentary to each other, you must experience both to get the full picture. But since I'm a lorefag, I prefer the manga.

>>287467702
No one who isn't facetious or a moron will tell you otherwise. It still baffles me that people watched Crystal because "it's more faithful to the manga."
The Sailor Moon manga is pretty bad. Naoko Takeuchi is damn good at creating settings, character premises and designs, but telling the actual story is not her strength.

>>287463505
>>287463576
>>287463677
>i-it's all anime/little girl anime
No. Sailor Moon specifically is shit and overrated. Stop projecting that into gud anime.

>>287467799
SuperS is the main exception where the original anime is truly missing out (the mini-arc at the start of Stars was a decent attempt to make up for it, but ultimately too little too late). It feels overly juvenile compared to the other seasons and like it's actively ignoring everything from S, which isn't an issue in the manga. The lore at the end of the final arc in the manga is neat too, but Usagi and her denial gets incredibly grating in it if one comes in from the anime where she had developed past her crybaby personality by then.

>>287467799
The only part about Crystal that was interesting was the bit where they kept the Shitennou alive longer to run with the past life stuff, but in the end it wasted that. Could have been way more interesting but they speedran the first two arcs. Would be way better if they were allowed to try and do their own thing like the old anime or the tokusatsu live action.

Character stuff is always important, and why people love the old anime. It did more with neglected characters, heroes and villains alike.

>>287467921
I really hate the finale of the manga because it states Sailor Cosmos couldn't win and just ran. Ran to the past to give up. And then it creates the situation in which there's two cosmoses at the same time to fight chaos, so they should win. It's exactly how they beat dark phantom; by having two silver crystals.
It's like Takeuchi tried to make it existential and while it can give some dread, I feel it misses the mark.
Plus, the pacing is jarring. There's a panel when Ami and Mako get obliterated by the bad guys, immediately followed by two full pages of Sailor Starlights posing. Like, our girls just got killed, holy shit.

>>287467526
But if the aliens was filler why did they have to do that god-awful arc where future Mamoru tells his younger self "you gotta break up with her, bro."

>>287468599
Maybe it was Ikuhara's idea to do that since he hated Mamoru.

>>287463677
>Starlights as characters
Nah shit taste

>>287468883
Ikuhara didn't hate Mamoru. That's an old internet myth

>>287463794
Cute

>>287467642
>>287467778
>but I prefer the most structured story of the manga. And the manga actually answers shit about the lore of the world.
I agree with you on both counts, but the anime has such far superior writing, characterization, direction and subplots that it's absolutely the better work by far even if it suffers from not having the proper large scale lore and story context and would have been much better for that.

>>287467185
The original anime seems to place uniquely *little* emphasis on the kingdom/princess drama compared to everything else, it's an outlier and it really makes sense to expect it to have done more related to this stuff, especially if you go into it coming from another adaptation.

>>287463505
OP, if you're genuinely miffed at the anime not going into much detail with this stuff, then you'll probably want to check out other adaptations that do actually go more into and better emphasize the importance of the Silver Millennium and the consequences of everything related to that.

>>287463505
>But in Sailor Moon Stars, literally none of this is even mentioned. Instead, there's a random new villain introduced that nobody cares about who they defeat, and the entire show ends just like that.

like every other anime post 2000

>>287463505
Read the manga/watch Cosmos, the 90’s anime ruins Stars due to Starlights wanking and Usagi/Seiya shipfaggotry baiting, meanwhile Naoko’s version is a genuine first attempt at deconstructing the Magical Girl genre and is basically a proto-Madoka, it’s also one huge metaphor for suicide if you’re smart enough to get it.

>>287469212
>Ikuhara didn't hate Mamoru. That's an old internet myth
Akio from Utena was the deconstruction of Mamoru’s archetype Ikuhara was always wanting to do from the start.

>>287463505
>new villain introduced that nobody cares about
Are you gay? Didn't you see Galaxia's Sailor legs???
>Crystal Tokyo and the future timeline
Wasn't it something about the world being frozen?

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>>287464204
Waaaaaaaaa

>>287464365
Doom Tree Arc best arc in the show though.

>>287468933
Seiya is fine. She's just Diet Mamoru with a spritz of Haruka.
The other two are just cunts the whole way through. Kakuyu should have busted their asses for being rude to allies.

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>>287471440
The only source we have for Ikuhara "hating" Mamoru is an old interview where he said that sometimes he wished to kill Mamoru for having Usagi all for himself. Obviously a tongue-in-cheek statement because Ikuhara is very critical of waifu culture. Also Ikuhara loves shoujo and Utena was his own take on old shoujo tropes. Saying Ikuhara hates Mamoru is like saying Anno hates mecha because he made Eva

>>287464411
>>287464551
babby's first experience with media mix projects

>>287471514
Seiya is pointless though because those two already exist, shes just a worse version that needed to fill the void of written out Mamoru.

>>287471906
Didn't Ikuhara supposedly want to pair Usagi up with Rei? That would be another reason he'd hate him since he was a roadblock.

>>287471994
>Didn't Ikuhara supposedly want to pair Usagi up with Rei?
Yurifags insist Ikuhara's statement was that he wanted to kill Mamoru for pairing Usagi/Rei but he never siad that. It's just an old internet myth and yurifags being full of shit as usual

>>287464744
Isn't that typical for Manga with huge cast of support characters?

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>>287463647
When Tuxdo impales her on his dick.

>>287464945
SM fan service was never focused on nudity; the first time we see them nude, their bodies are covered in multicolored lights. Here, the hotness comes from their tight uniforms, their risky microskirts, and underskirt shoots.

>>287464411
>>287471936
As I understand it, while it is Naoko Takeuchi's original work, she was basically just used as slave labor for them to create the anime. She couldn't even expand on or flesh out any of the characters she created, because they were pressing her to pump out chapter after chapter with no rest.

>>287471531
Usagi got a nice ass

sailor stars is kino and im tired of pretending its not

>>287463505
Even if this wasn't a show for little girls, your specific brand of autism is the most annoying, joyless thing to deal with in any creative endeavor.

It doesn't matter. None of that shit matters. Explaining any of that shit wouldn't serve the narrative, the character dynamics, or anything but your brain problems. It is useless trivia and it is not expanded upon because you do not need to go into detail about background matters.

>>287463505
You know, Naoko Takeuchi's main premise was to make a manga about having friends she'd enjoy being with. Now think about that for a minute for what that entails for a series.

>>287473418
>Explaining any of that shit wouldn't serve the narrative, the character dynamics

I'm going to try to vouch for OP here, but I assume (because I feel the same way) that this is the whole point, that this stuff would be fascinating because of how it might use the characters and complete the story. It's precisely because seeing Usagi actually confronted with the responsibility of taking the throne would be such a huge shift that it would be a shockingly interesting thing for the narrative to turn into. It would offer a final end point from which everything would naturally finish. A simple 'explanation' that just went "oh, so such and such actually happened because of x and y" for the sake of technicality would miss the point, it's the potential for drama and completion of everything that's been set up, and the dissatisfaction over the lack of that, that makes you want this.

If you're just kind of used to genre anime going out in this way and never properly finishing then I can understand why you're accepting of this, especially since Sailor Moon is actually unusually good at finishing arcs in satisfying ways compared to most anime. But for the whole story to not even have the cohesiveness of the manga naturally leaves you with a certain amount of disappointment, and I feel it's strange to not care at all, especially given how much the official adaptations have actually done to flesh out this background material.

>>287472453
It was a media mix, basically, and evolved from Toei wanting her to turn her then-one-shot Sailor V project into a team work.
Someone bought the "Sailor V" anime proposal from Yahoo Auctions years ago,but being that they were likely another Japanese user, we'll probably never see the whole thing shared.

>>287472014
Just like Elly from Miss Dream insisting Setsuna is Romani or that Kunzite and Zoisite were romantic in the manga.

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>>287464744
Reminds me of this radical feminist rant on Usagi.

>>287475222
I’m glad feminist retards like this hate this show

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>>287463505
Stars had some good aspects to it my main gripe was that the outers were not there enough now that Mamoru and Chibiusa were taken away, the finale was great and Galaxia was awesome her backstory especially was very epic, Seiya was the new best character of the season alongside her.

>>287463505
I know it's hard to want more from an anime than it ultimately gives you. But sometimes it's just best to recognize something for being the vapid piece of kids' entertainment it is (although most kids' entertainment is joyful and colorful and not bland and depressing like most of SM is). Sailor Moon is less aware and in-depth than MLP in terms of writing, despite how anime fans elevate it to the status of untouchable with their rose-colored glasses. I don't because I didn't watch this anime as a kid. I never gave a shit or thought about the in-universe particulars because it seems like a given that the series barely rewards the viewer paying attention to it. And it looks like most "Sailor Moon fans" actively hate every part of the story that actually goes somewhere or has some significant emotional drama go down or when a unique character or villain is introduced (R, Stars) and want it to just be about cute girls going shopping, MOTW shit and Usagi/Mamoru princess wish fulfillment fantasy. Any part of the story that stomps on that narrative (Fiore, Seiya, Black Lady) is derided as cringe and shunned when in fact the only time the story gets interesting is when it pans away from Usagi's vapid friends and unlikable boyfriend. If Usagi's friends and boyfriend are actually as neglectful as they seem, let it be sad and don't turn it into some type of 'misunderstanding'. The show's inability to emotionally rock the boat in any way that matters is what leads to this depressing stagnation of emotion where you get the sense that Usagi is stuck in dissatisfying ennui that, as the audience, we absorb, since she is the protagonist. I'm still able to enjoy watching the parts of the anime I do like though.

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>>287467921
>SuperS
>overly juvenile
Retard, between the Trio’s targeting of victims being an obvious rape metaphor, two of those victims being literal children Chibiusa’s age, and pic-related, SuperS is easily the most perverted season out of the entire series. It’s also the one where Ikuhara starts getting overly philosophical but of course idiots like you wouldn’t pick up on that.

SuperS is literally the puberty and sexual awakening season, it’s entire theme centers around these two topics.

>>287475790
ToT

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>>287464578
Did you forgot about Ami in SuperS or what?

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>>287472957
Yes

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>>287475910
*Braaap*

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>>287475930
This looks like that scene in the second Overfiend movie where that girl is thrown from the top of a skyscraper and raped by a demon all the way down to her death.
I wonder if it's a homage.

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>>287475965
>>287476037

>>287475895
God I hate StarS and the remake shit overall

>>287477811
What does Stars have to do with the Ami special?

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>>287475589
Unfortunately, she and others like to hatewatch it and complain about how it's corrupting little girls and how their superior headcanon version would give children a good childhood. They seem to hate every version of Moon (Takeuchi manga, 90s, Crystal) with only some leeway given to Ikuhara for lesbianism.

>>287475771
But anon, Usagi is a loathsome cock gobbling Mary Sue who subjugates her friends and forces them to be her cult, with the only plus being potential lesbianism.

>>287473113
>>287468933
>Seiya a rapist femcel fuckboi
>Yaten likes bathing with cats
>Taiki a fiveheaded sociopath

Pick your struggle

>>287475790
That's just a basic stranger danger lesson that children learn, and the fact that shot could even air speaks to how innocent it was seen as at the time.

>>287478512
>Seiya is a rapist
What?

Sailor Moon was great because they got away with flashing every girl by transformation and rainbows.

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>>287478512
>Seiya a rapist femcel fuckboi
Sounds wonderful

>>287471078
>>287471440
>Deconstruction
That word doesn't mean what you think it means.

>>287475895
Unfortunately due to the nature of not being caught up I didn't see that episode back then. They were showing all Sailor Moon but not at a convenient time so I barely saw anything past season 2.

>>287478689
/a/ always overuses "deconstruction".
Like saying Madoka is a deconstruction when really its just Urobuchi remaking Kamen Rider Ryuki with girls.

I wonder how the world governments responded to some 15 year old Japanese schoolgirl with magic powers declaring herself queen of the moon and the inherited ruler of the world

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>>287479054
She was very persuasive with her body.

>>287475222
ignoring the lefty melty in the first sentence, this is a valid criticism of the series. Usagi gets mollycoddled HARD by the narrative

>>287478547
The essay "Seiya Is A Creep" shall educate the unwashed unenlightened masses.

>>287479211
docholligay could've done without the scat fixation tho, now you need to picture Usagi dropping a fat one for her harem of hand maidens + one man

>>287478547
There's 2 sides of the Sailor Moon fanbase: whiny self-inserter pissbaby womanchildren who call Haruka kissing Usagi sexual assault and Seiya a predatory lesbo (ironic for a fanbase that claims to like lesbian stuff, but I guess that's only limited to the extremely sterile Haruka/Michiru), and guys only there for the boss fights and pantyshots

>>287479054
Seeing as how she also forced immortality on the entire Earth's populace, I don't think they tried to resist.

>>287479671
What about the guys that just enjoy the slice of life aspect of the show?
That's like the majority of /a/'s Sailor Moon fanbase.

>>287479152
She's striking the reverse cowgirl pose

>>287463505
>>287463505
I remember quietly fapping while my mother was behind me busy ironing my school uniform when this episode aired on a saturday morning, circa 2000.
It was a wild time, Ranma 1/2, Sailor Moon and Saint Seiya back to back

>>287479807
>school uniform
What shithole were you from?

>>287479604
You forgot people like me who just want to fuck the senshi

>>287479671
Well yeah, the first group (including a polycule of shitlibs) also hate manga HaruMichi and see Michiru as a whipped cuckwife who lets Haruka tramp around and force kisses. Only based yuripilled Ikuhara for them, even if the 90s anime still pushed MIRAKURU ROMANSU.
On the flip side, you get the Sailor Moon Forum of rightoids who are paranoid of wokeism in the anime and manga.

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>>287480191
I don't understand why fandoms think flirting with others is the ultimate form of betrayal, or why they blow up small shit yet minimize huge crimes. So what if Harumichi are attracted to other girls/guys? So what if they flirt with other people at times? Why does that trigger fans so much? Why do they want them to be a boring stable couple? It makes them more interesting. Wanting to censor that fact is not giving the full picture of their relationship. You hear all these peoples' complaints and you realize they wanted the story to be completely boring and without any contention. "I hated when these two characters argued when they could have talked it out!" "I hate when this villain did a villainous thing!" "I hate it when this couple wasn't perfect at heckin communicating!" It's a story, it wouldn't be interesting if there wasn't conflict.

>>287469212
>>287471906
>>287472014
If the dog shits, you know where the smell comes from. It comes from the big fat shit the dog just took.
You have eyes. Watch the show yourself. Just because the man didn't straight-up say it on an interview doesn't mean anything. If people started to think Ikuhara hated Mamoru, it is for a reason not just because. Even so, the undeniable fact is that Mamoru was mistreated and shafted in the show. There's a reason why there's so many jokes and memes about him being fucking useless too.

>>287479755
Mamoru must be watching.

>>287480631
>There's a reason why there's so many jokes and memes about him being fucking useless too
That is probably because of his first few appearances being very short with him just saying one line then leaving, but he does save Usagi every time.

>>287480631
>>287480656
It's not that Mamoru isn't technically useful, but he fits completely awkwardly into the story so that it's easy to write him out of the friend group until the end when everything ties up. He doesn't fit in with the group of girls, and he doesn't hang out with their group as a friend either. They're not childhood friends and not even the same age. Plus he's kind of an ass and is terrible at banter/small talk. I've never read the manga though so I dunno if he's different there.

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>>287463794
>>287463757
There's a name for that nipple only in outline/profile style. I think it's named after the imperial era following the one with really detailed pink nipples, even though there was a lot of overlap.

>>287478462
>>287480191
>Ikuhara pushed yuri
That was actually more Naoko, meanwhile Ikuhara added fujoshipping to the 90’s anime that was absent from the manga.

>>287480477
They go beyond criticizing what they don't like and assume Takeuchi wrote it to spread harmful messages to young girls on how relationships should be, m/f or f/f.

>>287480731
I disagree honestly, i like his dynamic with Usagi in the anime and got frustrated when he was forced to pretend to not like her.

The thing is they hate the manga Haruka/Michiru portrayals though and call him a rare positive example of male privilege, some saying the same about Utena while not getting its anime and manga intentionally differed and he didn't communicate with Saito on some things.

>>287480791
>Takeuchi wrote it to spread harmful messages to young girls on how relationships should be, m/f or f/f.
Naoko is a smelly old yuritroon in a biological woman’s body and in typical yuritroon fashion she fetishizes f/f relationships while hating men and despising m/m ones, so they’re right about that. She panders to the straight male gaze all while ignoring and outright deriding the straight female one, and she was also responsible for the Magical Girl genre moving away from appealing to teenage girls to instead pander to otaku incels instead, she’s the first one who started purityfag trope that all the girls must remain pure virgins for her yuri harem and never be touched by any men.

>>287480791
>>287480791
>Takeuchi wrote it to spread harmful messages to young girls on how relationships should be, m/f or f/f.
Naoko is a smelly old yuritroon in a biological woman’s body and in typical yuritroon fashion she fetishizes f/f relationships while hating men and despising m/m ones, so they’re right about that. She panders to the straight male gaze all while ignoring and outright deriding the straight female one, and she was also responsible for the Magical Girl genre moving away from appealing to teenage girls to instead pander to otaku incels instead, she’s the first one who started purityfag trope that all the girls must remain pure virgins for her yuri harem and never be touched by any men.

>>287480867
Ikuhara is a smelly old troon in a troon's body

>>287480928
>Ikuhara is a smelly old troon in a troon's body
He’s one of the based HSTS gay ones though, not the “transbian” AGP ones which is the type of mindset Naoko has.

>>287480928
He loves his newhalfs

Naoko was High on He-Man and Usagi literally became the Chosen of Grayskull.
Watch the movie come out and be a hit, and she will nerd out again over finally doing that collab with DC Comics+Hasbro for a 10 issue special written by her and drawn by Dan Mora or the guy doing the main Green Lantern comic, or the one doing the batman mangas in japan.

>>287480867
Why hasn't this retard been banned already? It's the same shit literally every Sailor Moon thread now.

who cares?

>>287480867
Legitimately where do people see yurishit in Sailor Moon? Literally all the girls simp for men in the early episodes

>>287481225
I would like a source on her liking He-Man cause that seems really off character.

>>287481262
Read the manga.

>>287481262
Minako and Rei telling the Starlights they don't need men because their princess comes before everything, while posing yuritastically.

>>287481421
Sounds like delusion to me

>>287481760
>>287481262
>Delusion
>>287481421 also conveniently forgot to mention the actual on-screen yuri kiss of Uranus lesbian assaulting Moon.

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>>287481262
>Legitimately where do people see yurishit in Sailor Moon?

>>287482384
>>287482384
>Forgetting to include the Chibtaru shipping from the manga, MakoAmi from the 90’s anime, and the manga’s yuri harem wedding ending.
Also posting pics of manga Rei saying she doesn’t like men is slightly disingenuous since her backstory in Casablanca Memories indicates that she’s at least bi and only swore off men due to getting her heart broken by one.

>>287482511
I didn't forget any of that, it just wasn't important enough to include. Chibitaru are kids and Mako and Ami never seemed significantly gay to me in comparison to those other characters

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>>287463647
Cute

>>287475965
Based

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>>287482759
>>287482801
>Cute
Yeah, she is

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>>287479807
>Ranma 1/2
Based

>>287475680
>Galaxia was awesome her backstory especially was very epic
She was neutered in the 90’s anime and is one of the few instances were a villain was actually done better in the manga (Beryl being the other one, funny how it was the first and last big bad that were done worse in the anime compared to the manga).

In the manga Galaxia serves as Usagi’s foil and is a true example of a Dark Magical Girl, in the 90’s anime she’s a DonutSteal Mary Sue plot device with a discount Dr. Tomoe possession backstory to handwave away and excuse all her galactic genocides.

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>>287479839
>What shithole were you from?
Probably Mexico or Chile, they used to air Sailor Moon, Saint Seiya and Ranma back to back a lot in those countries

>>287483406
saint seiya is the dead giveaway it's a latinx

>>287483406
it's a latinx. saint seiya is the dead giveaway

>>287482511
That and her chastity vow to Serenity comes as a flashback in the Dream arc, which some take for why she never could have ever fallen for Jadeite or any man in any life.
Then you get Takeuchi drawing Minako touching Usagi's boob in some random illustration.

>>287483312
'member when Chibichibi was still going to be Sailor Cosmos in the later scenario scripts but they rewrote her to be Galaxia's star seed who turns into a sword?

>>287483089
Nice

>>287483256
Would

>>287480631
>>287480731
>I've never read the manga
>Ikuhara shafted Mamoru

>>287483455
>>287483503
ignore the double post, 4chan has been giving me false positives on 'failed to post' all day

>>287484575
Same here broseph

>>287484179
I'm the second anon, the first anon isn't me

>>287484179
You mean even Naoko shafted Mamoru in order to focus on her yuri fantasies?

boobies

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>>287482801
>Cute
Understatement of the century. She’s weaponized gap moe incarnate. One second she’s crying over a parfait, next second she’s purifying eldritch space satan with the power of sparkles and friendship.

90s Usagi just hits different, man.

>>287482384
This is the cherrypick of the century lmao
There’s no way you guys sat through 200 episodes of girls simping for men just so you could see them vaguely blush at each other
Stop the larp

>>287490268
Way to prove you didn't even watch the show faggot.

>>287490296
Says the retard who doesn’t know Rei dated Mamoru and only gave up on him because she figured he was for Usagi

>>287490268
>>287490336
Most of the yurishit is in the manga, just like only the anime has the fujobait.

>>287490268
The only homo is seiya x usagi (and other starlight's with ami and mina) and haruka x michiru everything else is pure wishful thinking including the fujobait. I don't know why this has to be argued every thread.

>>287491025
>haruka x michiru
Even they constantly say in the anime that they're not serious about it lol

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What's her problem

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>>287491183
I spent most of my day yesterday feeling exactly like that Rei, damn I hate everything

>>287489343
No u

>>287491212
FIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
...soul.

>people hated the last season
Huh. I'm only going off of the manga, as I'm only in the middle of S2 of the anime, and maybe it's because I have the hots for Sailor Galaxia. But I didn't hate the last arc.

>>287463505
>>287463615
Why are there naked girls in children's TV shows?

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>>287481262
It is a mystery.

>>287493679
Ah yes, two girls hugging while looking at the viewer, that's clearly meant to imply they're gay, I've been into anime for 3 years and this is what I believe

>>287492432
>people hated the last season
No they didn't. Naoko did. But she's a retard.

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>>287493147
Why not?

>>287493832
>hugging
Oh please, Minako is clearly grabbing Usagi's tit.

>>287493929
And? Doesn't make it not a hug.

>>287493950
But it does make it yurishit.

>>287494004
No it doesn't lol

>>287494020
So you're saying 2 friends just casually grab each other's tits and that's normal?

>>287494064
First of all yes, if they're playing or comparing sizes or whatever
But when they do it while looking at a man like what you posted that's obviously meant to offer sex to the man.

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>>287494100
Literal retard.

>>287494144
Anon. Nice to meet you too.

>>287494119
Kino

>>287463505
This why Minky Momo would always be superior

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>>287479054
The weak bow before the strong

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>>287494683

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>>287463505
The eye doesn't see
The eye doesn't know
It was blinded a long time ago
But the anons still know
And the anons still see...

>>287494699
Based

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>>287494769

>>287494820
She was very stacked phew!

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>>287494964

>>287493679
Some yuri purity culture woman Ladyloveandjustice had a whole post salivating over the art of Chibiusa and Hotaru touching each other's naked chests from one of the manga spreads, was top kek

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>>287490268
>vaguely blush
Shut the fuck up

>>287495997
The manga had that one kind of homo moment with Motoko and "Endo" (disguise Mamoru) too, a tiny fujo bone in the midst of all the yuri baiting.

>>287495228
Smooth

>>287495997
But half of your pic is exactly that. The other half is different adaptations of the same scene.

>>287496397
You're the one being a cherrypicking, larping faggot. There's no way you watched this yuribait series for the occasional, undeveloped, two episode at most "bazed" het moments

>>287495932
Are you sure is a woman? Trannies are overrepresented in the yuri fandom

>>287491025
>fujobait was pure wishful thinking
Kunzite/Zoicite weren’t a canon couple in the 90’s anime now?

>>287463748
Not in 1992. In 1992 mahou shoujo series really did think only about their little girl audience and nobody else. The middle-aged Otaku as the center of everything thing is more 2000s.

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>>287463748
You might be the dumbest poster on this board right now, congratulations.

>>287475790
>The old dub censored all the gay
>But not this pedobait scene
What did they mean by this?

>>287497837
What anime is this
I will guess it's from 1985 or 1986

>>287498116
Boku no Pico.

>>287475771
>But sometimes it's just best to recognize something for being the vapid piece of kids' entertainment it is (although most kids' entertainment is joyful and colorful and not bland and depressing like most of SM is). Sailor Moon is less aware and in-depth than MLP in terms of writing, despite how anime fans elevate it to the status of untouchable with their rose-colored glasses.
And that’s why CCS will forever mog Sailor Slop and is the superior 90’s Mahou Shoujo.

>>287498310
>responding to wall of text b8

>>287497837
You're probably a middle aged man who wants to fug the sailor senshi

>>287498388
This is /a/. We're all girls here silly.

>>287498310
>recommending boring lolislop just because she's a fujoomer
I don't understand what you think is so different between CCS and SM. Both have fujobait, yuribait and lolibait, both are mostly boring and for kids. I actually prefer SM if I had to choose because it's edgier and the character designs are better.

>>287498588
>both are mostly boring
Why the fuck are you even in this thread?

>>287498602
You just replied to my post. Why are you in this thread? I enjoy some aspects of the series, you on the other hand just run around screeching "Naoko is/was a spiritual troon" and "yurifag" constantly.

>>287498671
>Why are you in this thread?
Because I love Sailor Moon.

>>287498388
I'm almost 40 now, but I was 18 the one and only time I watched Sailor Moon.

>>287498703
Then say NTA or something

>>287498727
Fuck you.
Get out of this thread faggot.

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>>287498717
I was 8yo when I first saw it dic version and the first anime I saw

>>287498745
You seem maladjusted

>>287475895
They got away with so much back then it's frustrating that we can't have it anymore

>>287476548
watching this now
absolute cinema

>>287496661
Yeah, she's infamous for having declared herself the No.1 fan of Stephanie Brown/Spoiler in DC Comics before monopolizing Sailor Moon and Utena discourse. She posted selfies and is a short nerdy ginger.

>>287498588
>I don't understand what you think is so different between CCS and SM. Both have fujobait, yuribait and lolibait, both are mostly boring and for kids.
CCS is for teen girls and fujos, not kids. It was animated by a real anime studio that is Madhouse and gets serious anime scale figures constantly unlike Sailor Moon which is stuck in Bandai hell and animated by the glorified toyetic company that is Toei, that being said the SM manga is also for teens and it’s only the 90’s anime that’s for really little kids.

Also if you found CCS boring that just means you’re a pleb retard who doesn’t have a high enough IQ to appreciate slower-paced shows, maybe Michael Bay films are more up your alley.

>>287502315
>CCS is for teen girls and fujos, not kids
No its for literal kids.

>>287502383
Then why does it get super intricate and expensive otaku scale figures all the time if it’s for kids? Tomoyo’s whole gig of dressing up Sakura and filming her is a direct tongue-in-cheek nod to the otaku audience in fact.

The show falls off after S. I've always felt that the core of the show really falls apart the more it went on and the first season really tied it all up with a solid conclusive ending.

>>287502478
>The show falls off after S. I've always felt that the core of the show really falls apart the more it went on and the first season really tied it all up with a solid conclusive ending.
That’s because it was always meant to end there but it turned out to be a hit and Toei forced Naoko to produce more seasons, similar situation like with Toriyama and the Dragon Ball franchise.

>>287502467
>Then why does it get super intricate and expensive otaku scale figures all the time if it’s for kids?
The same reason Kamen Rider and Super Sentai do.

>>287475771
>Black Lady is derided as cringe and shunned because she gets in the way of the comfy CGDCT vibe
No, pretty sure it’s because she puts on a disgusting display for Naoko’s father/daughter incest fetish for all the world to see.

>>287496494
"het moments" and it’s just the near entirely of the show especially season 1
Also yuribait isn’t real and Sailor Moon predates the yuri genre.

>>287503007
>Sailor Moon predates the yuri genre
This has to be b8.

>>287497266
It’s actually the opposite, Sailor Moon clearly started with a more mature and male audience in mind and then progressively added more and more stuff for little girls as they saw that little girls liked it too. That’s why Usagi dropped Moon Tiara Action and started using plastic wands that make beeping noises instead, that’s why her transformation broach also makes beeping noises now and the other senshi also use accessories to transform which they didn’t at first. They introduced these things to sell merch to little girls, while originally they were only planning on selling collection figures to a mostly male audience, there’s even a sailor moon fig shown in one of the early episodes

>>287503039
It’s not, the yuri genre was created in the second half of the 90s, Sailor Moon predates it by a few years.

>>287497218
yes

>>287503115
That's quite the headcanon you have.
>>287503154
You are an idiot.

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>>287490336
>and only gave up on him because she figured he was for Usagi
Can we just take a moment and appreciate how the show didn't just drop that and move on. They actually stopped to reflect on it on a few times. Made Usagi realize she's a bit conflicted about horning in her friends crush and that said friend was over it. Too many shows just stop looking at things once the MC gets what they want.

>>287503171
What an argumentative person

>Guy who insists obviously gay shows like Sailor Moon and Utena are straight for the bait
>Annoying random fujo who bitches about everything she deems problematic
>Overly hostile baitposters
Literally the worst posters on 4chan all congregated in this thread

>>287503423
>obviously gay shows like Sailor Moon
You have never watched a single episode of Sailor Moon. Watch a season 1 episode, literally any of them.

>>287503423
>Annoying random fujo who bitches about everything she deems problematic
She wouldn’t use the term “yuritroon” as a derogative if she were one of those woke types, she said it herself that she just hates when Magical Girl series ignore their straight female audience.

usagi as a juggalo

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>>287503248
I really love the friendship of Usagi and Rei

>>287496052
>The manga had that one kind of homo moment with Motoko and "Endo" (disguise Mamoru) too, a tiny fujo bone in the midst of all the yuri baiting.
No. I wish, but Naoko the fujo hater would never be so kind as to throw us even a single bone, a major part of her beef with Ikuhara is that he dared to insert fujo pandering and develop the male villains, she even disavowed the entire R movie all because he created his own male OC that was extension of the Doom Tree filler arc that became a love interest for Mamoru. If she couldn’t even take Mamoru having his own one-sided gay love interest do you really think she’d fujobait him and Motoki even when he’s brainwashed and evil? C’mon now.

I can’t believe I’m saying this as a fujo myself but your shipping goggles are on way too tight there, there is absolutely zero fujo shipping in the manga, nada, cause Naoko’s a bitch like that and hates the straight female gaze. Not only is there no fujo bait in the manga Naoko even personally went out of her way to directly contradict any and all fujo shipping that Ikuhara did with her villain designs in the anime as a big middle finger to her entire straight female audience just because she could. (And if you want a list of all the ways she deliberately went out of her way to mock and contradict fujos by spitting in her face I can give you that, it’s incredibly spiteful and petty in the way only a bitter, ugly fujohating yuritroon would do) She hates fujos and gay men so much she’s even now trying her hardest to get her husband to retcon the Gon/Killua ship.

>>287505251
To be fair the R movie was clearly made by people who never watched Sailor Moon. Literally according to that movie the senshi can be recognized while transformed and everyone in Minako's class knows she's Sailor V. Completely retarded and they didn't even bother to fact check their plot to leave blatant plot holes like this in it
At least it gave us Moon Revenge

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>>287495228
>>287495395

>>287503248
>Can we just take a moment and appreciate how the show didn't just drop that and move on. They actually stopped to reflect on it on a few times. Made Usagi realize she's a bit conflicted about horning in her friends crush and that said friend was over it. Too many shows just stop looking at things once the MC gets what they want.
No fuck you, this whole subplot was awful! Why should Rei be forced to just give up her boyfriend like that? All because “MUH DESTINY SAID SO?” It’s bullshit! Not to mention they didn’t even bother to consult Mamoru about this - you know one of the parties whom it actually involve - and just made this decision unilaterally all by themselves without any of his input. I understand he was kidnapped and brainwashed at the time and then everyone died and got revived without their memories, but when they finally got their memories back Rei really should of had sat down and had this conversation with Mamoru and asked what HE wanted, but the anime just conveniently decided to skip over that vitally important detail for some reason.

>>287505822
Mamoru was obviously in love with Usagi at that point.

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>>287505822
If you want sailor moon with decent writing only the eye the eye that sees and knows, but it can't, can be your guide. Will you try to shelter under its gaze like in the beforetimes?

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>>287505251
So the jogger is a woman. No wonder she's so braindead and unable to do anything but experience her own narrative amidst a sea of conflicting information.

>>287471531
Wait, forget the nipple, what the hell is that thing behind her? It looks like a ripoff Vikings Compass surrounded by jew letters. The fuck?

>>287506539
The Wheel of Fortune, one of the major arcana in tarot.

>>287506326
>So the jogger is a woman. No wonder she's so braindead and unable to do anything but experience her own narrative amidst a sea of conflicting information.
? Unironically what do you mean by this?

>>287506625
Interesting... thanks, anon. :)

>>287506846
(You)

>>287505986
>Mamoru was obviously in love with Usagi at that point.
If by “in love” you mean remembered their past life together and did an immediate 180 in his feelings even though before that he couldn’t stand her and thought she was an annoying brat, then yeah I guess.

>>287498034
That naked babies are ok.

>>287508239
So naked kids are okay but consenting adult gays aren’t?

>>287505382
Nice

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>>287498717
>Still hangs around in SM threads
Curious

>>287478555
I think the idea was to imply to little girls that they could feel good about their bodies (and sexuality) and that maturing made them personally stronger and not just a commodity.

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>>287505382
He's drawn Mars a few times recently
The Phantom Troupe in HxH have a bit of a solar system theme going on and maybe 1 of them will do something Marsish

>>287480791
I'm more concerned that Takeuchi has a degree in pharmacology and kept writing the villains and heroes magically drugging people to make convenient decisions for them, remain docile for rape or even actively attack the people they care about.

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>>287481760
They're conditioned to play that role and sacrifice themselves. They very much want men, but can't make any real decisions about how to live their lives because their minds don't belong to them since awakening.

>>287493147
Because boobs are for children and do not harm them.

>>287494964
The boobs were an important part of the emotional narrative of that episode. It doesn't make sense to remove them.

>>287503423
Probably crossboarding from Sailor Moon Forum, the dumping ground for bitter salty magical girl fans.

It's kind of funny how much of a giant nothing Beryl was in the grand scheme of things, even though she was the one that got the ball rolling with her wiping out Moonie civilization.

>>287509112
I genuinely hate Beryl because her motive is so pathetic that it actually pisses me off how lame it is

>>287509134
On a cosmic scale, none of us are better than her.

>>287509134
What was it? I don't remember at all.

>>287509355
She wanted Endymion, he didn't want her.

>>287509412
Wow.
The boringness of that motive was not oversold.

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>>287509112
I don't really like the main antagonists until the s3/s4

>>287509348
She wants Mamoru to see her like this by 'accident' and not just smile warmly at her like he always does. She wants him to be a little stunned but them move towards her despite himself. She wants the world to give her this outcome without her just strangling it with omnipotence. Sometimes she wants it so much she could scream.

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>>287509467
You're doing too much thinking.
You need to slap your cock.
SLAP YOUR COCK

>>287509134
>>287509424
>I genuinely hate Beryl because her motive is so pathetic that it actually pisses me off how lame it is
I mean Diamond has a similiar motivation, do you find him boring or pathetic too?

>>287509960
>I mean Diamond has a similiar motivation, do you find him boring or pathetic too?
I skimmed that arc back in the 90s when it was on Toonami.
And I haven't seen it since.

So, yeah, probably.

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>>287509436
>s3
But half of the Witches 5 are glorified MOTD and Kaolinite is boring.

>>287479211
>this is a valid criticism of the series. Usagi gets mollycoddled HARD by the narrative
Only in the 90’s anime, in the manga she’s broken down and left with absolutely nothing in her far distant future. (see Sailor Cosmos)

>>287510897
The OOP is more convinced manga Usagi is a straight hag Sue who can never have anything bad happen. That group glaze the 90s narrative a bit much, for as much as the manga sucks at its own themes.