>>287469351
>The God of Shinobis

>>287469351
Every single reveal in the story makes him look like a fucking retard after a certain point. Either Kishimoto really doesn't care about continuity or he truly meant for the Third to be an incompetent boomer

>>287469351
I don't think you can really match this guy since pretty much every reveal about Konoha and even Naruto negatively affects him.

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>>287469763
All 3 of these fuckers went out with amazing feats. Horrible thread.

>>287469945
Kishi was definitely a hack, but accidentally wrote a pretty good interpretation of a shitty boomer that doesn’t deserve half the praise they get.

>>287470067
lol

>>287469351
I'm surprised Kishi didn't give him something like a Monkey Sage Mode in the War Arc. Just explain that he didn't use it before because his body was too old to handle it, but that's not a problem as a regenerating zombie with infinite chakra.

But the most impressive thing he does as an Edo Tensei is make four Shadow Clones and use all 5 elements at once

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>>287470614
If I wrote Boruto I would have gave Konohamaru Kong sage and 8 gates. Enma could use adamant body mode and the biggest drawback of sage mode was Chakra, meanwhile 8 gates gave you 100x Chakra and ultra human abilities but it tore your body up. A Kong sage could give the human super strength and admantium body, and 8 gates could take it even further and the Chakra needed to hold sage mode with zero drawback because of 8 gates. The third was able to learn any jutsu in the village so Konohamaru learning 8 gates and sage mode isn't far-fetched.

Make Konohamaru worthy of being the next generations teacher by making him the physically strongest guy in the series, Guy sensei but stronger and invincible. Give him giant versions of Asuma's blades too as reference to his uncle's blades and the third using giant weapons. Konohamaru was supposed to be the next hokage after Naruto, Boruto butchered everything.

>>287468969
He's not a fraud by any definition. Both major villains of the series refuse to take him on in a fair fight and made a guy for the sole purpose of beating him. He beat the first one to death with his bare hands, and killed the second but was left open for the main villain to kill him.

>>287470673
>prodigy martial artist wizard
>dies because he lets a con man talk him into acting instead of killing people with martial arts and magic
Not a fraud featwise, but died because he took up the role of a fraud.

>>287468969
bro aura farms an entire episode wasted potential

>>287471164
I think Royd's role was only to keep Yama distracted long enough for Yhwach to visit Aizen. Yama had a theory that the Quincies couldn't steal his bankai until they saw all its tricks, but Yhwach said it was really just a matter of powerlevel, where nobody but Yhwach himself was strong enough to steal Yama's.

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>>287469763
truly the pikon of super

>>287470030
Yamamoto jobbed in every encounter.

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>>287468969
At the very least It can be argued the third was a victim of circumstance more than anything else, and simply did his best to keep a lid on the mountain of bullshit he inherited. Yamamotos leadership on the other hand, was actively detrimental to the soul society, and he repeatedly failed to fulfill his duty at every turn.

>>287471479
I was going to post this. It's such a shame and feels like bad writing..
>lets have Mine fight the two strongest antagonist alone
>guy we have built up for years as esdeath tier dies in his first fight

>>287468969
he literally needed to be tricked twice to beat instead of being fought head on, so not really.

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The "strongest"

>>287471714
>got complacent and let the SS degenerate into a corrupt shithole
>failed to catch Aizens conspiracy
>failed to protect the central 46 from Aizens conspiracy
>failed to kill Aizen
>failed to prepare for the return of the Quincy
>failed to protect the soul society from the return of the Quincy
>failed to kill Quincy king
>dies
He was an utter failure

>>287471714
In the case of Aizen, his plan was to kill himself and most of the captains and lieutenants.
In the case of Yawach, he blew his bankai load on some nobody and then got one shotted by Yawach.

>>287471794
Because Yhwach was just that scared shitless of his bankai.

>>287470126
Idk man. Does losing to your own retardation and the enemy's dirty tricks make you a fraud? If anybody is a fraud in this series, it's the main fucking character who can't win a single fight without help.

>>287472207
Fuck you, his stand was dope. SBR just had shitty writing

>>287471188
Shut the fuck up you wigger retard.

>>287472240
>losing to your own retardation
I'd say yes.

>>287472252
I wanted him to be more too anon. The legendary cowboy thing could have went far with what was going. However I think Araki decided early that he was going to keep a two man story so Tim, Sandman, Pocoloco, and Hot pants disappeared for 90% of the story. Despite the large introductions.

>>287468969
Bait aside Yamamoto carrying battle shonen by himself is still crazy to think about

>>287468969
Bait aside Yamamoto carrying battle shonen by himself is still crazy to think about

>>287472233
Except he just steals the Bankai.
You can always say that Yhwach was lying about that, but the truth is that it's just Kubo's bad writing.

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>>287469351
Orochimaru was too afraid to bring him back as a young man. That is why Tobirama "I died to Gold and Silver" Senju failed to cut branches fast enough that Hiruzen broke with Enma.

>>287469351
Huh I thought he did decent given his age against Orochimaru. Like Naruto-verse always gave me the sense that age does play lot of factor in how good you are and once you're past your prime, you fucking are, not much you can do about that.

>>287471769
His growth is unparalleled. The only reason he's so useless right now is because he choose to become essentially a politician.

>>287471266
>Take the greatest hero
>Remove his heroism
>Reduce the rank of his Valor from A to D

I dunno man, I kinda feel like it was on purpose. Bear in mind that Alcide's motivation is that he completely can't deal with his trauma, so everything he does is to run as far away from his painful memories as possible, to the point that he wants to erase his name from history in a desperate bid to ease his pain. He's motivated entirely by fear, despair and self-pity.

>>287472794
Didn't he steal it because he saw it?
Yama displayed ALL of it's abilities for no reason

>>287473213
I don't think this is about power level, but rather that the guy is a complete retard at best and downright neglectful and malicious at worst.

>>287468969
>cool old master flashing his true power loses to "pss.. it was just a hologram..." *teleports behind you* "nothin personnel... kids..."
I will never forgive Bleach.

>>287468969
He would have killed Yhwach and Aizen. Not sure if you could count that as a fraud.

>>287473392
Yhwach says that he could always steal it and it's just a matter of power difference.

>>287473490
Oh yeah as far policing and making things go down, he was absolute retard.

>>287473651
>would have
That's why he's a fraud? Hypotheticals don't mean shit, only results.

>>287471769
Gotta be the worst in the thread.
Twice in a row he lost to guys that just punch.
He can turn a handful of coins into a hyper-accurate shotgun blast and he just didn't even try against guys with no armour. Didn't even try to vector himself out of range of guys who only had unarmed melee attacks.

>>287471164
He is a fraud in that he went soft and allowed quincy niggers to take over.
They even spoonfeed that he ego is what fucked everyone over, because if he had just had Orihime heal his arm he could have won easily.

>>287473272
Him saying that he detests Gods and godhood and then picks a fight with the one guy that also detests gods while letting a literal Goddess just lord over everyone and do whatever she pleases is pretty fraudulent. Also getting saved by said goddess in a fight that he himself started randomly is laughable

>>287474647
>Also getting saved by said goddess in a fight that he himself started randomly is laughable
That didn't happen

>>287468969
Literally the strongest shinigami in the past 1000 years

>>287468969
Yama-jii is the best old man in any shonen. They always do this stupid comedy bullshit with old man where the old men are strong but also comedy perverts or some bullshit.
While yamamoto is just a strong grumpy fucker that wants to protect his people

>>287470614
His summoning is unironically the strongest out of all of them.
Retards just don’t realize it because they think “bigger equals stronger dur hurrr” but this is like the only summoning flexible enough to be used in just about any fight. The monkey king is small enough to be used anywhere without worrying about environmental limitations. Do you know how strong a monkey is? He would tear a niggas dick off and there would be nothing anyone could about it.

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>>287474887
Does One Piece have a perv oldy man?

>>287471668
The Soul Society survived for thousands of years thanks to Yama.
Hiruzen created every problem in Naruto, meanwhile

>>287476151
/thread

>>287476224
Not sure about pervs but Garp is a comedy grandpa

>>287474718
gil would have killed him effortlessly

>>287476407
>The Soul Society survived for thousands of years thanks to Yama.
The soul society existed because of what he had done, not what he was doing. He rested on his laurels for those thousands of years, and when new threats emerged he went out like a chump.

>>287471673
That was the point of Akame ga Kill. You have outwardly shounen things going and then, in the middle of a random tensionless chapter, a member of the cast stabs another in the throat and they fucking die instead of miraculously surviving.

>>287474387
>Twice in a row he lost to
Plot armor, welcome to anime,where common sense goes to die

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I'm genuinely mad about her death tho. Dumb bitch sat on the sidelines and then sacrificed herself

>>287477057
Almost every character in One Piece has a comedic side to him. Only major examples I can think of are Rayleigh, Sakazuki, Whitebeard, uhm... the elders?

>>287471446
Ywach and the Quincy in general decisesivly Iost fairly against bankai. So they invented the bankai pokeballs to cope.

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>>287471614
every single time Yamamoto fought the enemy had to hard nerf him so they could win
every, single, time
how is that fraudulent?

>>287470614
You’re what’s wrong with anime fandom. You only talk about fights and not the story.

>>287478446
Well, if he talked about the story of Naruto, it would be worse.

>>287473213
Manga implies that he raised Orochimaru to be a serial killer, indirectly caused Dan's death, and Obito by using children soldiers. It's only thru Tsunade and Jiraya the village last long enough to stabilize. His students indirectly created the Akatsuki.

>>287479711
Yeah I get it, he really fucked things up by being.. so ''lenient'' I suppose. I kinda went by just martial prowess in comparison to OP's hack who failed like a bitch when it came to his first real serious fight in the series.

>>287477683
it would have been a good setup for her to feature in the Hell arc if that wasn't all smoke

>>287476224
Gaban

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>>287469351
Yama got soft through peace, the Third through retardation... Assuming he was ever actually smart but no one would doubt THE Tobirama right

>>287480924
It wasn't matter of getting soft, he just got fooled hardcore by Yuha. Honestly, Yamamoto got a good death because it made the villain look smart

>>287481250
>It wasn't matter of getting soft
Yes it was, Yuha's plan was solid and it would only work against a weak Gotei. A blitz full scale invasion would not work against a Seireitei ready to throw hands at all times.

>>287477355
If he didn't take out Royd, Wonderweiss, Driscoll, Ayon, and 3 Sternritters at once the casualties would’ve been far worse

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>>287468969
this fucker scammed the sextuplets every single day

>>287472240
>it's the main fucking character who can't win a single fight without help.
One of the central themes of the story is how no one can succeed without help. Like that's the core thesis of the entire Strawhat crew my man. If that makes him a fraud, it makes every successful pirate in the story a fraud. Even ruthless individualists and social darwinists like Kaido or Doflamingo relied on their crew, often even.

>>287481250
He did get soft and was also stubborn, Ywach mentions Yama refused to get his missing arm healed by orihime which also played a part in his defeat.

>>287477450
By that point the author was tired of the manga, which is why he rushed the whole Budo plotline.

>hype up enemy or villain
>they job instantly
Why does this happen so much

>>287482012
Most likely an aborted idea or author wants to just rush things since they are tired.

>>287480924
I mean Uchiha Massacre still happened under Third.

>>287479711
>Manga implies that he raised
Uhh, where?

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She has business being as useless as she has been

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>>287476224
Gaban doesn't count. He was pervy towards Shakky when he was young, and now he's old, but nothing much more than heart eyes. But he hasn't done anything pervy while old. He calls himself a warrior of love, but he doesn't do Roshi groping and peeping stuff. Plus he's married to a giant. Not really comparable at all to Roshi or Jiraiya.

>>287482038
>I'm tired so I'm going to tank all the goodwill of my story
- Japanese author

Weirdly common

>>287485801
Being a mangaka is hell. It's understandable they burn out easily.

>>287468969
How the fuck is he a fraud? the fraud is Kubo for fucking him up with a "haha it wasnt Ywhach all along".

>>287476224
Sanji

>>287487684
He just gave up and let Yhwach kill him.

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>>287469351
How is he a fraud? He succeed in getting as many children killed as possible. The Will of Fire never stopped burning within him nor within the corpses of 12 year olds.

>>287470673
Mantiscoins...

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I know this manga is forgotten because of the shit anime and ending but I don't think there's a bigger fraud than this guy.

>introduced on the same level as Esdeath
>unfathomably destructive power
>every character terrified of him
>gets curbstomped his very first fight to "pinch lol"
>Mine doesn't even die in the manga

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>starts out really impressive by nearly killing the MC to the point where the mentor had to intervene and get sent to Hell as punishment
>ability later revealed to be "turning ideals into reality" in exchange for one year of his life every time he does so
>never gave himself an invincible body or genius mind or whatever
>just makes his bloodline powers slightly better
>literally "one my attacks is shooting a cannonball, but I permanently upgraded it to become a homing cannonball"
>it's not noticeably stronger or more interesting in any way
>it just homes
>his other upgrades are similarly lame
>loses in a fight that isn't particularly noteworthy
>gets his body taken over by another villain half-way through after turning good and never does anything again
How do you waste such a cool idea? It's one of the few time lifespan costs felt like they meant something, because it was a tangible trade-off. A whole year for every boost instead of just vaguely stating he'd live less time and never bringing it up again, like in most stories.
Not only is the application of the power lacking in creativity, but it feels downright weak.

>>287487706
Sanji is like 19.

>>287469763
Banned on Sharty

>>287488878
I still remember anons anger when that chapter dropped.

>>287476224
>no one mentions Rayleigh

>>287476224
The writer.

>>287489582
I did mention him, as an example of a not-pervy old man.

>>287489745
Oh fuck, you are right.

Hisoka

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Can we appreciate this guy for being job proof
>Lived up to the hype + more
>Arguably didn't even lose once he died on his own terms
>Got progressively worn down by endless cheapshots by the protagonists no less
>Didn't even fight against no name mooks took on the strongest fighters in the series that wasn't on his side

>>287471668
Mayuri calling on his bullshit was one of my favorite moments of bleach.

>>287473747
Then when didn't he steal it in the old war?

I think ti's probably both. You have to understand it and be powerful enough to use it. OR perhaps not? I dont' recall if all bankai were stolen after the enemy got to know them.

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>>287472385
I'd read / watch a flashback of him and his murder squad before founding the soul society.

>>287490983
They hadn't invented the pokeballs yet in the old war.

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>>287490932
Cow just wanted to subvert notHitler being useless by making him amazing last boss tier sin.

>>287473392
He thought he was facing the ACTUAL Yhwach. It's self-explanatory why you shouldn't pull your punches against him.

>>287490932
He was the best villain in FMA. Anytime he got into action you knew you were gonna see some really badass action. The best thing is he didn't even have regeneration like the other homunculi since he only had a single soul, which makes him even more impressive.

>>287478446
Battle shonen are 90% about the fights and 10% about everything else.

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>>287469351
>Uzumaki clan died right under his nose and he didn't prevent it or do something about it. He forgot about them
>Didn't tell Naruto about his parents
>The sole reason Naruto had a shitty childhood. Everyone in the village knew he was the 9tails despite 4th hokage wishes, neglected, alone, eating shitty food etc.
>Uchiha clan died because his inaction, he knew what was going to happen and all he did was negotiate with zero results
>Let Orochimaru alive when he had his chance to kill him, causing mayor calamities later on
>Let Danzo alive after he tried to kill him
>Let himself get killed by Orochimaru. Being fair in this one he was old at this point but still his own fault
People in konoha don't hate this guy enough, I'm probably forgetting more

>>287488640
Theirs is a warrior culture. You wouldn't get it. Unironically.

>>287495633
It's hilarious how incompetent Hiruzen ended up being just because Kishimoto wanted to make Itachi a good, faultless character.

>>287496060
I have no proof yet no doubt that kishi didn't plan ahead or knew what to do with Itachi arc. All he had was this vague idea he was a misunderstood hero of the leaf. He being a spy to Akatsuki never really played a role into the story, I guess you can add that too to Hiruzen failures.
>Didn't do anything about Akatsuki despite of, allegedly, having Intel of them via Itachi

>>287473213
it didn't affect Onoki at all

>>287490932
He was badass in 03 as well even though he didn't do nearly as much. His fight with Mustang in the mansion was great and the bullshit that had to occur for him to lose was thematically fitting.

>>287497017
Onoki is one of the only exceptions to that rule considering his main form of mobility is flying and his main attack is an insta-kill move. Imagine if Ohnoki had to run and jump around like everyone else

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>>287488878
>pinchi was never a win button but seemingly scaled up for him even though it didn't for esdeath's attacks
>pinchi boost and attack she already shot for the first and only time series
The reason her weapon broke after the fight was the writer wouldn't have to deal with staying consistent with that bullshit. There would be no reason mine couldn't do that with anyone. Though my favorite part of that fight is still
>Judo's teigu is the only teigu in the series with finite ammunition
>this nigga ran out fuel despite not being present for 90% of the fight

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The end of the village arc really had me questioning how she survive on the sixth layer before the power up.

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The biggest frauds start with an incredible advantage and squander it completely with misplays. After Frieza, Kaguya has to be the best example.
She seems to also have no understanding of the rinnegan base powers besides Preta Path and her rinnesharingan should just be much better at all of them. Having her use chakra-intensive time-space techniques for everything instead of moderating the output of a Shinra Tensei or Bansho Ten'in just makes her look stupid, especially when her sleeve simp starts chiding her for spamming. Her priorities get divided when she gets nervous about having lost so much chakra which leads to further fumbles.
This bimbo does NOT belong in a fight.

>>287497411
Didn't like him much in 03, felt they didn't know what to do with his character until the end and I'm not terribly fond of his fight with Mustang either.

>>287495633
It is genuinely hilarious how tone deaf the series is about Hiruzen being absolute terrible ruler.

>>287496350
>Didn't do anything about Akatsuki despite of, allegedly, having Intel of them via Itachi
Re-reading Naruto, I was surprised to learn that Kakashi learned of Akatsuki from Jiraya, and that was unrelated to Itachi. Kisame and Itachi are surprised when Kakashi says he knows of them, and plan to capture him, so Itachi being a spy was truly useless since Akatsuki were secretly gathering for months/years, and either Itachi never relayed that information to Hiruzen, or he did, but Hiruzen didn't let anyone else know.

>>287498413
In Kaguya's defense she got taken out by an instant win button instead of being beaten up, and also not trying to kill anyone because she wanted their chakra.