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>>287473937
First episode was boring. Are the following episodes better?

>>287473970
Episode 3 is great

>>287473970
Yeah I liked 3 the most so far

>>287474025
I like the detail of Agott struggling more and more to keep the angry face.

>>287474309
Qifrey and coco’s height difference is too cute.

>>287474309
qifrey is taller than olruggio?

>>287473937
should've named this thread Witch Hat Atelier General

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>>287474392
Ya, by a little bit.

I don’t get it, why do people like fagott x coco so much? It’s just your run of the mill bully x bullied trope.

>>287474590
>why do people like a popular trope so much?

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>>287474590
she improves a lot as a person later on in the manga

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>>287474590
Good visual contrast and deep relationship development over time. For me it's like Diakko written a million times better than the hacks at Trigger ever could.

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I wonder how their relationship will develop from here… at the very least I hope they can be friends again…

>>287474963
Why is tartar sauce like this

>>287474280
Okay, this Agott is literally just a boy.

>>287473937
If you're just going to spam pics at least talk about how woke the manga is and how the author is a crazy SJW. But of course there's nothing to talk about this show for the lowest common denominator other than homo ships.

>>287474590
The appeal comes later when Coco mogg's Agott into submission and she instead becomes Coco's dedicated admirer.

>>287474963
being imposing here only improves his romantic prospects in the long run

>>287475094
Didn’t that author remove that fag flag in her display name on twitter? Maybe she finally realized she shouldn’t associate with those people.

>>287475107
The only coco ship I accept coco topping is this one because I rather fagott be her submissive bitch rather than coco.

>>287475117
Ya I agree, it makes their dynamic more interesting. I feel like the author will take it nowhere though T-T

>>287475123
She just wants to avoid controversy

>>287475156
Coco tops Qifrey, too.

>>287475123
>>287475221
The peace sign is more politically volatile in Japan right now.
She's pretty outspoken about opposing Takaichi's policies. The peace sign is the symbol the anti-Takaichi faction has gathered around.

>>287475221
Really? I never heard her making a statement regarding that.

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>>287475232
Strongly disagree.

>>287475263
Ah so she’s still woke as ever…

>>287475370
Takaichi is insane.
She wants to create a Japanese CIA.

Qilfrey wearing a buttplug: Coco is my master and my body and soul belong only to her
Agott: Me too

>>287475510
Nips are retarded for handing her a supermajority in the first place when it was plainly obvious she was a Trump dicksucker.

boring

>>287475197
eh I don't see any relationship becoming canon by the end, it will probably be left ambiguous

>>287475510
Ya, I heard a lot about her. I’m not a fan of her, especially since she wants to keep the terrible Japanese work culture in place. I just hope shirahama-sensei can keep the homo stuff to a minimum.

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This is such a downgrade lmao

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Man those animators are really set on giving a lush pair of milkers to Coco Mama

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Striking...

>>287475679
The boyfication of agott

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>>287475679
Her fluff had to be sacrificed so that Tetia could become extra fluffy.

>>287475596
I hope for that or tarco being endgame, but I remember an interview she had at anime expo she said, “People only treat it as a special issue because it isn’t the default boy-girl setup. That reaction itself shows why more diversity is needed.” Hopefully it will just be her making gay side characters and not any of the main relationships canon.

>>287475687
Can’t wait for coco’s adult design, she’ll be well endowed just like her mama.

The art in witch hat atelier is still very beautiful, but in the later chapters everyone got a case of baby face. Like their faces use to be so much more defined before the author decided to simplify they for some reason.

>>287475844
the pro queers tend to be very vocal but I really wonder whether they're actually the majority of her audience

>>287475510
It was comical how she kept saying that she is going to deport immigrants and have stricter conditions for it then issued about a million visas to SEA, recently started selling something like acrylic stand that says "sleep well, I will protect japan" literally trump 2.0. Inb4 calling me a libtard, i don't care whatever happens to every single person over there but it's fun to follow.

>>287475687
We can only hope that Coco grows up to be even half the woman her mother was.

>>287475679
A brimhat actually shot her with the moeblob raygun and that is why she lost all her aura.

>>287473954
That's not how generals work

Brimhat Coco when? This is so boring I can't fathom reading for years.

>>287473937
So, I started watching this anime. And I immediately thought: it's such a woman fantasy. So I look up the author, and lo and behold, it's a woman. I don't mean in it in a derogatory way, but it's such an easily recognizable collection of tropes, it's basically a genre of its own already.
>one day a prince charming visits the plain jane heroine, who is whisked away into the magical land of adventures, where she finds herself surprisingly proficient in some sort of magic or whatever else
And stories like this were being told throughout the ages in the past. Hell, that stuff even made its way into more mainstream storytelling, with the huge success of Harry Potter novels.
Not that male power fantasy is all that drastically different though. Take the Martian Series, for example, which I jokingly call the first isekai. They share quite a few tropes with the women fantasy stories, but I feel like the prince charming figure is more or less unique there.

Anyway, by the end of the third episode I was wondering, how much can this series go into the whole political intrigue and magical system autism stuff? But women are more focused on character relationships, than abstract concepts.
Before, I've heard that the series features a complex magical system, but now I'm starting to have my doubts. How true is that?

>>287476302
>Before, I've heard that the series features a complex magical system

You've basically already had all of the rules explained to you. Magic circles are not complex in concept, but what WHA excels at is that they can produce complex effects and you always understand how and why those effects are happening along the way. You're not going to get any secret hidden ultra-rare powers to complicate things, just taking the tools you already have and learning how to use them more inventively. Building up the depth of the system over time as a result without it actually being more 'complicated'.

> political intrigue
The entire story basically hinges on the Brimhats trying to prove that the Pact is bullshit, and force witches into situations where the only way out is to use forbidden magic and break the pact. Since the magic cops have a zero-tolerance policy, congrats you're a magic terrorist like the rest of us now! This is total bullshit, right? We agree. Lets go fight the system together.
This conflict is central to basically everything that happens, with the rest of Coco's magical education being giving her the context and tools to navigate this escalating situation.

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>>287476302
>one day a prince charming visits the plain jane heroine
>Harry Potter

>>287476384
Why did (F)Aggot say that the shoes alone wouldn't help her reach the top? As far as we know magic doesn't give a shit about energy conservation. For as long as she keeps her feet together, maintaining the magic circle, she would've been propelled into the air.

>>287476409
That's right.

>>287476433
Small arrows + drawing a bunch of them in a circle pointing to the center = high balance but not much propulsion. That's why Coco draws one giant arrow on the sail and it's so strong by comparison but only ever propels her forward. Coco later makes herself and Agott sylph shoes with longer arrows that are much faster.

>>287476433
She thinks an Outsider can't possibly pass a test meant for Magic users, she also knew Coco would have to be able to do it safely, so it's rather grim implication that she didn't care if Coco died during the test. She did try doing it the way you suggested, and she fell in the water.

>>287473954
That's not how generals work

>>287476399
I thought the pact was more about keeping the arcane knowledge from the normies. The ban on "forbidden" magic was just the excuse.
Btw, didn't they say there was like only four elemental glyphs, the one you put in the center of the magic circle? Like fire, light, wind and water or something?
How do forbidden spells work? Is petrification water? Seems unlikely. I'm looking forward to fucked up body horror transformations when magic is used on humans, but, I guess, maybe I should lower my expectations.
And yeah, I figured as much about the evil witches (seriously, who the fuck translates "mahou tsukai" as "witches"?) want to trigger forbidden spells. But what I meant by politics is: was Coco really just a random victim of unchecked spread of forbidden spell "picture books", or was she targeted specifically to be planted in Gojo's magical school for underage girls in particular? But don't answer that, since that would be a spoiler. I'm not dropping the anime yet.

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>>287473937
>you can now wear this Witch Hat Atelier
ugh..

>>287476514
Dangerously high levels of irony for such snobbery in a world where literally anyone can do magic.

>>287475263
Everyone should be against a woman president

>>287474280
>dekugott
well both are woke series...

>>287476550
>Btw, didn't they say there was like only four elemental glyphs, the one you put in the center of the magic circle? Like fire, light, wind and water or something?

Poor subtitle translation. Those are *examples* of central glyphs, not the only ones that exist. Though they might be the only ones that Coco knows at that point in the story.

> I thought the pact was more about keeping the arcane knowledge from the normies. The ban on "forbidden" magic was just the excuse.

Its understandable why you would think that at this point, since a lot of stories would go in that direction, but not this one. The age of magic really was full of horrors. Its worse than than you think it was. Consider that petrifying an entire building and everything/everyone in it is something that Coco did by accident, but in the age of magic literally anyone with a pen and common glyph knowledge could do that on purpose. The town drunk only needs a piece of paper to mind control any woman in town into sleeping with him. Your free will or control of your body can be permanently taken from you by anyone at any time and turn you into an living doll. Everyone in the world almost without exception has a gun, a rocket launcher, a nuclear bomb they can use if they see fit. Even CHILDREN, because magic is just that easy to use.
Forbidden magic is just the stuff that, when they were making the pact, they decided was too dangerous for anyone to be allowed to use. Even healing got the boot, because letting it be allowed was a foot in the door for truly terrible shit. They *gave up magical healing* because it wasn't worth the risk of the other things that sort of flesh-warping magic can do.

>>287474309
What do the colors next to them signify?

>>287474280
>dekugott
well both are woke series...

>>287476683
>>287476739
is wokeanon having a stronk?

>>287476714
When people design characters they usually do that with the base colors for the clothes, skin, hair, etc. Then they just right click on them and then the digital brush thingy becomes that color.

>>287476399
>>287476550
Hmm, I wonder why someone banned the use of magical weapons of mass destruction and the dissemination of knowledge that makes it easy to build them at home (even unintentionally)
That's interesting xD

>>287475925
I laughed at the f-

>>287476620
It says more about Aggot's self defence because of her last being disowned by her family.

>>287473937
I heard the mangaka is woke, what does she think about MAP rights?

>>287476824
It seems the ban is two-tiered. Ordinary people aren’t allowed to know how to cast spells, and wizards aren’t allowed to use particularly dangerous spells that could cause a catastrophe just because someone drew one crooked line in a huge circle.
As far as I’m concerned, that makes sense.

>>287476409
Hagrid is extremely fuckable, dude.

Picked this up on a whim and damn it's pretty good. Had almost lost hope for this season. Checked the previous threads and apparently this show has a resident schizo too. Goodbye.

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>>287477278
Wise decision.

>>287475263
Everyone should be against a woman president

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>>287473937
>the guys that maintain a police state using mind wiping magic tell a elaborate history of the times that they didn't run a police state using mind wiping magic and how horrible it was as justification for running a police state that uses mind wiping magic

Wow, this 1984 tier world is not suspicious at all~!!

>>287477517
Yeah its incredibly suspicious, but so far the history of the world as it has been told *seems* to be legit, with the actual negative focus being on the rigid enforcement of the pact itself and the problems it causes rather than any malign secret history.

Agott's shoes now reek of Coco.

>>287475755
This is peak Aggott

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>>287476384
>NINETY DEGREES
Impressive, very cool

>>287474309
are these children supposed to be 5' 0" or what, what do the lines say

>>287479312
>Qifrey's height
>Coco's height

>>287474309
It disturbs me that Coco is barely taller than Richeh.

>>287478437
Agott's whole body will reek of her soon enough.

>>287475679
>just fuck my shit up

>>287481494
We know Shirahama

>>287475755
Shirahama is really aiming to steal that yume husbando spot from Rika huh?

>>287477278
>uh goodbye because resident schizo
weak bitch

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>>287477051
>https://x.com/shirahamakamome/status/2028482708167647709
She actually tries to organize to get people to donate to help kids that have been sexually abused.
>https://tsunagg.org/
Like thats an actual shelter for sexually abused children type organization.

The author's just a nice lady.

Are the subs for this terrible?

>>287482428
They're fine. They use the same terms and name spellings as the English manga release which you may be mixed on, but the translation itself is solid.

>>287482428
Not great, not terrible.
There are some less than stellar wording choices, but nothing totally wrong.

>>287477278
The only mentally ill people are the ones who enjoy this bland shit.

>>287482080
Of course she post that on twitter for clout.
Then she should stop supporting fags and trannies like you.

I finally caught up to the last episode. What is the purple haired girls problem? She literally tries to get Coco killed and nobody seems to really care.

I feel like I'm too old for this show. I have to constantly suspend my disbelief about these characters and their magic-hoarding cult-like organization. It's only 3 episodes in and its clear that they're the villains of the series. The rest of the world lives like medieval peasants and nobody knows anything about magic. The only way they could keep the status quo is to go and erase everyones memories, or disappear them to their underwater Hogwarts. They even seem to have to groom all their members from a young age so they don't question anything. It's pretty funny that the hats are shaped like dunce caps though, like it's a reference to how brainwashed they have to be to believe in the system they're a part of.

I'm not sure if any of this is going to be addressed later in the series. It feels like all the awful implications of the world are going to be swept under the rug and the author will just have Coco go, "but wow look at all the magic though!", instead. I hope I'm wrong and the show picks up in later episodes though. The animation is pretty good.

>>287476399
>>287476550
>>287476706
Yeah I think WHA is essentially using "magic" as a proxy to explore the implications and really hard tradeoffs of hyper advanced technology, which we're experiencing IRL in an ever rising wave. When you get advanced enough pretty much everything has the potential become "dual use" in military parlance, where it has both significant valuable creative uses and significant destructive ones. WHA kicked off in July 2016, almost exactly a decade ago, and it's actually pretty fucking wild to look at what's happened even just then to now. LLMs weren't even a twinkle in almost anyone's eye at that point, neither was applied use of biotech like mRNA or CRISPR, mass drones, ever advancing 3D printing, etc etc etc. What happens if we get to the point where every household really could have some sort of universal molecular assembler? Sure certain exotic elements would still be hard, plutonium doesn't naturally exist, U-235 is still going to be ultra rare and take a lot of kit to purify.

But essentially all of the rest of tech doesn't depend on large quantities of anything particularly unusual element-wise. So what to do, because of course the same tech really does have enormous positive potential as well. The extremists have a point on both sides which is part of what makes the setup so good.

I sort of lean towards WHA looking at various 3rd paths in a very serious and realistic fashion, but I could see it going many different ways.

>>287476706
>The town drunk only needs a piece of paper to mind control any woman in town into sleeping with him.
I will now support the brimhats unconditionally

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>>287473937
Will Qifrey get another student in the future and groom her like his other 4 students?
>>287474025
This looks AI

>>287479312
>are these children supposed to be 5' 0" or what, what do the lines say
The children are like 4' 0" and the adults are 5' 0" because they live in a pre-industrial Europe.

>>287475679
Why does artists do this? Why do they downgrade their drawing skills?

i just started this anime
Why does it feel like it was made by some self inserter yumeshipper?

>>287484882
It was made by a twitter libtard

>>287485181
Does she ship herself with totally-not-gojo?

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>>287485237
>Does she ship herself with totally-not-gojo?
Of course, her OC is Coco.

so this anime's about some dude luring young girls into his home to have a harem of lolis?
cool

>>287483743
Half of the series is about how the status quo is unworkable.

This is the perfect anime to watch with my 12yo cousin which I introduced to and watched frieren with when she was 10. I even caught her playing at night in the frontyard pretending to cast spells and then bought a witch hat during a local festival. She likes to draw too, I might buy her the manga.

>>287477278
kek fujo hands typed this

>>287483743
>What is the purple haired girls problem?
She needs rape correction

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>>287484861
I think a lot of it is the artist being more experienced drawing adult women than kids when she started and falling more and more into the moe-child artstyle as the series progressed.
Early Coco has a woman's face, rather than a girl's face, a lot of the time, too. Her last series before WHA was basically just an excuse to draw beautiful women in various situations, and that carried over to the first volume or so of her next one. Even if the characters were now kids.

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>>287485369
just finished the last episode.
the main girl just got her own personal pet-dildo?!
this show's just getting better and better

>>287474590
it's yuri naruto x sasuke

I wish to discuss the manga, but I don't know if it's appropriate to do so ITT. I'm reading through it for the first time and gathering my thoughts on it.

>>287479312
I mean they're like 11, it's an accurate height

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>>287473937
why is a single dude allowed to have 4 little girls

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Umm, is she mad?

>>287486975
no because she wants to fuck her teacher

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>>287486032
just put your stuff in spoiler tags with the chapter number and I think it's fine

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Anime only here.
Is there a reason why even Qifrey is called a witch in subs?
Character clearly say "mahou tsukai", which as far as i know should mean something more like magic user or whatever.
Is it crunchyfags doing their usual localization shenanigans bullshit, or is there a reason for it?

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>>287487129
That is the official name, I think. It's on the japanese cover

Coco anal

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>>287487129
Damn. Should they use Warlock?

>>287475263
Given that Takaichi wants to start a war with China that will end with Hiroshima 2 plus tip, probably a good idea.

>>287487341
Oh, that more or less explains it, didn't knew this english title is even on a jap cover.
>>287487408
Dunno, just mage even, if they are not specifically using gendered phrases like i dunno, majo ( 魔女 )?
But if it is in the official cover as >>287487341 showed, i got my answer.

Do people actually dislike this, or are they just being contrarian?

>>287487129
>>287487408
>>287487543
Yes it means "magic user" but the author clearly wanted to have it translated as "witch" as per every single localised copy of the manga from day 1 and that's perfectly fine unless you are an autistic psycho.

>>287487578
witch hat atelier is peak if you ignore all the gay stuff in it.

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what is qifrey doing to coco here?

>>287473970
They are the worst 3 first episode of the season, if we were following the rules people should be dropping it by now but since everyone is saying this is the best anime ever we gotta watch it to the end.

>>287487635
If there is an author's intent behind it, which there clearly is, if it is on a cover since the very start, i am fine with it.
I would just hate localizers doing their bit again, where they make some shit up.

>>287484759
he is NOT grooming them except for Coco

>>287486368
He is their Dad!

>>287487578
it's just a culture was schizo who doesn't even read it but saw it once on some dude's twitter who called it woke because a dude gets punished for peeping

Why didn't Qifrey cast a time reversal spell to save Coco's mom?

>>287488907
Does he even know it at the beginning? The Brimhats erased his childhood memories and the memory-wiping spell is the only forbidden magic a Pointed cap could reasonably discover without too much trouble.

Eoleo reminds me of Larsa from FF12

>>287489484
It's been some time since I read the chapters but wasn't the reason time reversal use was allowed because memory wipe is actually time reversal?

>>287490536
The seals are different and the effect being comparable is just a technicality Coco brings up to convince the Three Wise to play loose with the rules. Knowing the memory erasure spell doesn't automatically mean you know time reversal. From the way it's presented, Coco copies the spell after seeing Custas drawing it and then Beldaruit uses it for his time reversal hospital bed, he himself may not have known it beforehand.

>>287488814
Oh I wonder why /a/ doesn't like a show full gays, sterile characters and female writing. Just because you're a pedophile doesn't mean everyone else is too.

>>287487578
Too reddit a d braindead

>>287490830
What a cute boy

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Why the fuck is he scolding her and not the fagott girl who forced her into this?

>>287491088
As long as she doesn't draw a Trump lookalike as the head of the brim hats I don't care. Leave your stupid rl politics out of my fantasy manga!

>thread discussing the new show
>snail pace, needs necrobumping
>thread discussing the mangaka's twitter shenanigans
>3 threads in a single day
Dead franchise

>>287491184
Agott deserves a scolding, but he needs to make sure the newcomer understands what she did was not normal, very unusual and infact dangerous. Especially because she lacks the common sense of a normal witch, this talk was necessary. Otherwise she might get talked into something dangerous again and again. It's not even like he raised his voice or something like that.

>>287491228
Don't ask me, ask the stupid author.

people who ship fagott x coco, do you also ship orugglio and qifrey?

>>287491361
I don't see any mention of twitter inside the story And so I would've imagined no mentions of twitter inside these threads too. But I guess that is asking for too much.

>>287491400
Yes, the former is an obvious parallel of the latter.

>>287491400
I only care about girls so no.

>>287491328
I understand that, but I expected him to at least be surprised, and proud, and ask her how she did it. Or does that come later?

>>287491411
Her faggotry permeates the work. Look at these manchildren discussing homosexual relationships >>287491400 >>287491423 like teenage girls.

>>287491400
No, I only approve of cute girls scissoring each others, not faggots playing touch-butts

>>287491511
correct answer

>>287491184
yeah, it's an awkward scene
especially since he's scolding her like he personally witnessed everything she just did

I wonder if fagott will have any narrative importance outside of being coco's little bitch.

people who have caught up with the manga, do you you still hate agott? and if you still do why?

>>287491861
She's been in the background for so long now, I barely remember what she did before festival namek.

>>287491741
Her mom is one of the librarians of the Tower of Tomes which is where the fourth trial takes place and where the copy of the book Coco is looking for is supposed to be. It seems obvious that Agott will be instrumental to Coco finding it once they take on the trial.

>>287491861
I never hated her, I'm not a fucking idiot to react hysterically to every minor flaw or misdeed.

>>287491890
She was consistently important during the festival and that's almost half the manga so I wouldn't say she's been in the background. Even when she didn't take the spotlight like during the second trial (both attempts) she was at least shown gradually mellowing out.

>>287491505
That doesn't say much. You see what you want to see. Romance in those kinda stories is always debateable especially because those japanse are so vague with it. And even when a ship is confirmed it will still be discussed to death by the fans. The author could be the biggest nazi in real life and people would still find a gay ship in her work.

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>>287491988
What did she do again? Festival namek itself was such a blur to me, the slow chapter release (I think there was a hiatus?) didn't help either.

>>287491861
its like one sperg trying to force a meme

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>>287492012
She was set to take part in the Silver Eve parade and show off her magic item to the people of the capital. Coco suddenly said she wanted to participate too (due to her whole deal with Custas and Tartah) and Agott was hesitant at first because she knew Coco would likely overshadow her. She mulled it over, recognized her selfishness, helped Coco get over her artist block when she couldn't come up with a spell and apologized to her for all her early behavior. When Coco's turn came up at the parade and Coco couldn't impress the jury, Agott came to her rescue and modified her spell to make it a lot flashier, guaranteeing Coco's success over her own. Later once the curtain leech appeared, Agott used her decorative seals to bring it away from the city and toward the forest. They're useless seals nobody remembers nowadays except her because she likes them, and they came in handy. Once Coco arrived, she and Agott came up with the plan to encircle the leech with the floating parade platforms and write the time reversion spell on them. Only the two of them could do it because of their extra-fast sylph shoes Coco made.

My favorite type of magic - lesbomancy

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>>287485600
>I even caught her playing at night
> pretending to cast spells and then bought a witch hat during a local festival. She likes to draw too, I might buy her the manga.
That's very cute of you.

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the creature

>>287487408
>Damn. Should they use Warlock?
Nobody uses that except Usans.

>>287492335
What a simp

>>287483960
Underrated post
On the other hand, we have long been aware of lethal chemical and biological weapons that can be produced with relatively little effort, yet terrorist incidents involving their use have been isolated and not particularly effective

>>287482080
didn't this nigga like shota porn on her pixiv account

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>>287476302
Hi Grok.
Its a shoujo. Shoujos always have this "prince charming visits the heroine". The other anime has the same tropes

>>287493208
>didn't this nigga like shota porn on her pixiv account
Does Shirahama compares sexually abused children with lolicon/shotacon or she just thinks a drawings are an outlet for pedophiles to vent?

Death to the New Witch Order, magic wants to be free

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>>287493653
Right in your face, bitch.

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>>287493653
she looks like a boy with this shorter hair

>>287493653
So when do they yuri plap? Their pussies against each other?

>>287493653
I'm one of Kamome Shirahama's dogs. Last time I ate her storyboards she was drawing Agott confessing to Coco by giving her one of those flowers back.

>>287492335
is this like dragon's den

>>287493653
Why did downgrade Agathe's design in the anime?

>>287493653
You guys are scaring me with all this talk about how woke the author is. I have to ask... is Agott a boy or a girl? I mean, her genitals. I need reassurance. Recommend me some picture books that would dispel my doubts.

>>287493863
agott is nb

>>287493857
It looks like her current manga design. Her hair gradually lost volume.

is/was the production behind the scenes on the anime good and stable?
im burnt from last time with Zom 100. but i want to hope that BUG films learned their lesson.

>>287492867
>On the other hand, we have long been aware of lethal chemical and biological weapons that can be produced with relatively little effort, yet terrorist incidents involving their use have been isolated and not particularly effective
But can't you say the same thing about Photoshop vs LLMs when it comes to propaganda or kids doing nudes of each other or whatever? I don't know if it's luck or something inherent to human psychology, but it does sort of feel like historically when capabilities are tied to skills we've overall done a fairly decent job of creating a world where if you're intelligent and dedicated enough to make use of tech and capital in sophisticated ways, you can make way more money and a better life and advance your pet causes further in legit ways vs terrorism or common criminality. And you end up with investment in the overall system (even if you work to warp the system in your favor), and are thus not inclined to just chaotically tear it all down.

But there seems to be potential points where a phase change happens, where something becomes so easy that any lazy rando semi-retard can do it. There is no longer any barrier to entry and in turn no longer a link between "you have to be pretty capable and dedicated" and "get 99% outcomes". Another example might be hacking vs script kiddies and actual professional "rent-a-malware" kits. Like, pre-2010 or pre-2000 had plenty of security breaches, but feels pretty different now. Dipshits "swatting" each other or launching pay-to-DDOSes over video games with their daddy's credit card or the like, or criminal groups doing ransomware even of places like hospitals with abandon.

So I do think objectively there can be some worry about the difference between everything needed for someone right now to bioengineer an organism, vs 10 years from now being able to tell an LLM
>"I want you to make me super flu and also use this DNA I took off the seat of a girl in class to engineer a goatgirl slave clone"

is this show for girls

>>287493208
One anon said that randomly and didn't provide any evidence.
Don't be so gullible.

>>287494228
empircism is a recent fad

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>>287494190
>is this show for girls
It's for lolicons.

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Why the anime skipped this scene from episode 02 ?

>>287494903
Yeah, that's one they'd better re-add in.

This post contains spoilers for the Silver Eve Arc and the events leading up to i. It also probably contains some controversial opinions on the manga and the author, though I'm not trying to be combative. I'm a new reader, so please bear with me.

For years, I've had great interest in reading this because the artwork was so spectacularly gorgeous. I recall some anons posting that this was "leftist garbage", so when I started reading it I assumed that it was due to the story having blackies and browns, the usual /pol/ over-reactive nonsense. Then the story became more overtly about class struggle, how witches and the goyim had this really fake caste system that reflects tradition and convention rather than it does actual natural reality. Again, it was easy for me to assume that overzealous /pol/frens would take issue with this, though it did not bother me. I was still willing to give this the benefit of the doubt seeing how this manga is a favourite of many people, some of who I very much respect.

I remember years ago someone commenting on Mahoujin Guru Guru that magic systems based on magical circles were all nonsense and extremely impractical, but even though it is something that exists in this story for the sake of the visual identity and the aesthetics of the manga, it's the kind of contrivance I'm willing to go along with since the world building and the art were so very outstanding.

I've only just completed the Silver Eve Arc and I have to say that it kind of retroactively tainted my enjoyment of the manga, I thought it was a very low in my reading experience and that whatever nitpicks I previously had with it immediately became huge glaring faults. It becomes evident that the mangaka wants the aesthetics of something traditional and enduring while contaminating everything with modern nonsense like the gay witches, not the cute little girls hihihihi kissing variety but the pound me in the ass until the chocolate fudge leaks warlocks.
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>>287495197
For context, I've read the official translation of the series, which is also gorgeously written and flows extremely well while perfectly capturing the feeling of the story. I don't know how fan translations compare to it, but I was decently impressed by the quality of the official English publishing. I'm saying this now just to avoid confusion as to where I'm getting my ideas from, since it may very well be the case that I've missed some kind of nuance or context.

The Pact is contrived nonsense of the worst kind. The fact that the Knights Moralis use forbidden magic ("magic turned against the body") to delete memories is a hypocritical and often disproportional punishment, since magic crimes aren't all equal in severity. But forced amnesia is this one-fits-all-solution that is employed even without a trial or even before gathering all the basic facts pertaining to the crime itself. The turning point for me was the infamous "sexual assault" chapter during the Silver Eve Arc, where they were going to mind rape one witch just because he created see-through goggles to ogle at the ladies, though it was not conventionally forbidden magic. The chapter is even officially translated with a "content warning", which I thought was very disappointing, especially because the whole chapter is the mangaka simply projecting her own very superficial morality.

There is never a convincing explanation on the banning of healingcraft other than some witches did naughty things in the past. Custas' plight is a very understandable one and the manga simply admonishes the practice by giving him mutant legs and turning his dad into a zombie, as if this was the only possible outcome of healingcraft. Also, Custas suddenly being a witch doesn't inspire much hope on the mangaka's storytelling, she ignored all the rules just to speed up the drama.

Thank you for reading my VERY IMPORTANT OPINIONS.
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>>287487129
What sort of ESL do you have to be to say "magic user" instead of "witch"?

>>287495227
The pact being bullshit is the point. Hell, it is also the sketchiest fucking thing in the world, with how the people that control memory are also the ones that control information about the past. And the author is definitely intelligent enough to realize that.
Coco's entire thing that arc was saying, "fuck this pact, I want to help people and can't accept just letting them die out of principle."
The Knights Moralis are arguably more present and threatening villains than the Brimhats themselves. Every time they appear it's to abuse power in some horrible way because of their trauma or neuroses - hell, some of them like the one scruffy looking guy, don't even seem to have a reason to be cops and just lobotomize people for a living because they don't have anything better to do.
The head Knight literally went berserk and almost got thousands killed.

>>287495232
try dressing up as a wizard for next halloween and call yourself a "witch" in front of your male friends you FAGGOT

>Agott used to be a cool beauty
>got turned into a boy dork

Curse you Coco

>>287495356
The thing is that there shouldn't be any kind of disagreement that a "moral order" is a very understandable and acceptable concept. So it's extremely disappointing that the author thought that she should turn the institutional embodiment of this concept into her antagonists, which is extremely foid-coded and cringe.

Also, the Brimmed Hats aren't depicted with any kind of nuance. So far they're just doing random things. When they first introduced Ininia I felt relieved since I thought that now they were going to finally introduce actual moral complications to the story by her actually healing Custa and his Dagha, but that doesn't happen at all. Custa just becomes mutant kid and for whatever fucking reason is just a witch now despite only learning about magic for a couple of weeks, and his father is just a zombie stuck on rewind. The fuck was the mangaka even thinking??

I don't want to press too much on the fact that homo warlocks are a thing in this world, but whatever, it's another disappointing trait of foid writing that she needs to project these modern virtue signals as if it added anything to the story at all. But by far my greatest disappointment is her not giving any sort of dimensionality, nuance or complexity to the Knights Moralis despite them being a perfectly sensible solution to the problem of witches wielding world altering magic with extremely fearful ease.

It's all so very, very disappointing. I don't know if this gets better after the Silver Eve Arc or not, but this made me want to drop the manga entirely. I have no faith on her writing ability.

>>287494190
is pretty cure for girls?

Everyone knows gay and disabled people were invented in the early 21st century.

>>287495227
why do people get so butthurt over a character wanting to wipe another character's memory due to her trauma? are you self-inserting into that peeping tom character

>>287495967
I loathe passive-aggressive posts like these.

Neither of those are modern inventions. But acceptance of homosexuality is a modern thing, And the world depicted in Witch Hat Atelier does not seem to meet the societal conditions for this sort of acceptance for a variety of reasons. It also brings nothing of value to the story.

Also, why are you even bringing up the disabled in the same sentence? There was always a societal imperative to diminish suffering as much as possible. So why is there even a blank ban on all healingcraft when it isn't simply a desirable thing, there is a moral imperative to pursue it? It just doesn't make any sense.

>>287496033
Because it's something that goes far beyond her institutional calling, it is motivated solely by her own feelings. And is clearly an abuse of her authority that the story does not condemn her for. In fact, if anything, it celebrates this outrageous act as a victory despite the extreme disproportionality of the punishment. It's like lopping off some kid's hands for stealing an apple, it's not that the crime doesn't exists or that it doesn't necessitate the satisfaction of justice, but the punishment isn't commensurate with the crime.

>>287495890
>the agents of the corrupt state are bad
How is that 'foid-coded'?
That is just a very common set up for any work of fiction.
There aren't many stories where the Knights Moralis wouldn't be very antagonistic.
I think me and you have different values, because I can't see the Knights Moralis being justified except if you totally remade them so they weren't judge, jury, and executioners with total fiat to attack people, except when there's a more powerful Witch around to scare them away (like Qifrey did at the riverbed).

Regarding the moral order, obviously you can't allow magic to be anarchic.
But the current system of taboo is obviously built to put principle ahead of utility. Where the leadership accepts evils and suffering to prevent an ambiguous greater evil that exists if one breaks those principles. Coco is a person that runs on empathy, so to her that is just unacceptable. She wants to save people, and will do it however she can, regardless of what precedents it establishes. It is possible that you could call that unwise, but obviously the rigid police state that the witches run is untenable all the same.

I haven't been very impressed by the Brimhats, either. How Custas was purely just a secret timebomb seems to have settled that there's not going to be much nuance to them.
They lack any real philosophical depth right now. They're just purely sadistic assholes that want anarchy for the sake of abusing others freely.
It is probably the biggest flaw with the manga that we're presented with an obviously bad social status quo, but there is no alternative given other than unclear and very specific reforms given to the rules, while everything else mostly stays the same.
It doesn't seem to be going anywhere obviously satisfying.

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>>287495227
>>287495356
>>287495890
I've never interpreted the story as such, though my memory might be failing me. To me the manga has always been a presentation of objective morality (the Pact) and subjective morality (brimmed hats). But the author (through Coco) hasn't taken a side on either extremes. On one hand, the Pact isn't a living document or some democratic consensus. It's a strict moral code that was born from bloodshed that is just by its nature. On the other hand, the manga clearly presents it as a limiting factor, hence Coco's insistence on "why can't we just help?", just like more naive political observers in the real world might just "want to feed the poor by taxing the rich". This attitude in the manga is at times affirmed but other times rebuked. The author doesn't shy away from showing that the complete opposition to the Pact that the brimmed hats represent brings about some of the most scenic horror in the series. I need not list examples. I don't interpret Coco's defiance to authority to the Knights Moralis as an opposition to the Pact. Coco works within the moral order of the Pact. Custa doesn't and he gets to live with a time-looped zombie. To me the message has been to work within the moral order, but challenge the authority's enforcing it.
Also memory wiping and prohibition on healing magic isn't contradictory at all. Healing is an extension of no spells on the body. I think it's explained in one chapter that anti-Pact healing mages persisted for a while, but ultimately got banished. And the fact that the Pact gives itself the power to preserve itself is only self-explanatory. You need memory wiping and an elite society of magic users to preserve the promises laid out in the Pact - lest you want to banish magic altogether.

That's my two cents.

It's a mistake to separate the art from the artist. Don't support people who are seeking to tear down the foundations of the society you live in. You aren't smart enough to predict future and what you think will be better is a self-delusion from not enough information. You'll die in the chaos or otherwise end up much worse off.

>>287496200
>They lack any real philosophical depth right now. They're just purely sadistic assholes that want anarchy for the sake of abusing others freely.
While I don't disagree, it's worth pointing out there are some different motivations from how little we've been shown. Some became brimhats when they banished themselves by bodily modifications, some want to explore the depths of magic that the Pact forbids, and others do just want anarchy.
>>287496276
I'd rather explore the work itself and not be the annoying faggot that digs up 10 year old tweets.

>>287496189
it's fiction, do you think murder is ok?

>>287496200
Sorry for the twitterspeak. I said that it's "foid-coded" in the sense that there is this unfortunate trend in modern female writers to transgress and feel for the bullshit they can pull off. Hence why the literal embodiment of morality in this world is so overtly antagonistic. It's not simply the case that the institution was at some point benign and then became corrupt, it's that they need to be actively challenged simply because they exist as enforcers of morality and tradition.

The counterbalance here, of course, is supposed to be Brimmed Hats. But again, the mangaka insists on not taking sides for now so she can't actually develop any real complications or moral nuance despite the obvious glaring faults of the Pact.

>>287496033
>>287496189
It isn't meant to make her 100% sympathetic, but is also meant to show how and why a normal and kind person would join the lobotomy corps despite how horrible their duty is.
On the other side, Luluci is clearly becoming disenchanted with the organization, after seeing her boss go full psycho on as many people as he could reach.
She will likely defect to join Coco and co. in the next couple of arcs.

>>287496213
>On one hand, the Pact isn't a living document or some democratic consensus.
I would obviously reject the notion that the Pact is a strict moral code. If anything, it's more of a convention. Also, I know not of one piece of legislation that isn't a "living document" subject to reinterpretations if not outright amendments other than the Ten Commandments. And even the Ten Commandments had an Eleventh added to them.

>>287496356
Anon, are you trolling me? Or are you just being needlessly argumentative? What are we doing here, big guy?

>>287496449
The 'violent paladins that enforce brutal laws judiciously' is one of the most popular tropes in modern fiction.
Otherwise, we're calling Warhammer 40K a feminized series, lol.
Embodying a setting's morality, and that morality being objectively always good in every situation, are different things. When the Knights Moralis are hunting rogue Brimhats that are turning people into furniture or something, their level of brutality is justified. But when it is applied with a Cold War era level of paranoia on children and misdemeanor tier criminals, they're obviously heavily in need of reform and reformatting.

The Brimhats definitely fail to supply a counterpoint to the mainstream in society here. But given that the story is set up for Coco and her allies to form a 'third way' (fascism joke not intended), that is likely intentional at this point.
The solution isn't to side with revolutionaries that want to wreck everything, but to fix what is broken, I suppose. A Japanese perspective on social reform.

>>287496556
you clearly failed to understand one character's action doesn't represent the author's value
they even made her look like the bad person in the story

>>287495859
It's not Coco's fault that Agott keeps spilling her spaghettis around her.

>>287496580
>Otherwise, we're calling Warhammer 40K a feminized series, lol.
You can make that case, yeah. But only because Games Workshop actively tries combat Warhammer fans who think Space Marines are cool. Regardless, that isn't the point you were trying to make and I don't with to go off on tangents, I acknowledge that you're right and that it is a common trope. My contention in this story specifically is that it doesn't provide any sort of balance with an alternative viewpoint seeing how the Brimmed Hats are also overtly antagonistic and whose morals are ill-defined, but also because this institutional corruption doesn't seem to be walking towards any kind of happy synthesis at the moment. They're just bad because they became bad or something.

>>287496103
>But acceptance of homosexuality is a modern thing
Ancient Greece is older than the Middle Ages.

>And the world depicted in Witch Hat Atelier does not seem to meet the societal conditions for this sort of acceptance for a variety of reasons. It also brings nothing of value to the story.
There isn't full institutional acceptance. Atwert can't prevent Galga from being sent to the Isle of Oblivion because he's not technically family, which he'd be if they were a married straight couple. It serves to show yet another avenue where Pointed Caps society is too inflexible.

>>287496690
Maybe I did, but only because the tone of that chapter is triumphant, in which point you're just blaming me for the author's inability to convey this nuance you insist escapes me. The slimy Chud peeping Tom was successfully captured, pathetically pleaded his case, resists arrest by not only repeating but also escalating his crime, and in the end is mind wiped and sent to the Chud dungeon. So yeah, I really fail to see the nuance here.

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>>287496514
The Pact hasn't had the slightest bit of reinterpretation, yet alone change to it. With the only exception being the time-wrap operating desk of Coco. They are clearly supposed to represent a more rigid and absolute moral order. There is clearly a juxtaposition of morality here and the Pact isn't the only extreme the author is warning about. I completely agree with >>287496580 that the direction of the manga for a long time has been finding some "third way" solution between unlimited magic for the masses and the black-and-white morality of the Knights Moralis. And I think Coco will ultimately end up working with the pointed hats as the author has set up Coco's counter in the form of Custa. Your issues with the Pact are yours only and not mirrored in Witch Hat Atelier. If she wanted to make the case that objective morality is bad/irredeemable, the brimmed hats wouldn't be presented as such gigantic villains from the very onset.

>>287496758
>Ancient Greece is older than the Middle Ages.
People use this argument as if it reflected actual history. It's like the modern reinterpretations of "Socratic love" actually really meaning fucking your students in the ass. Even in Ancient Greece, and even in the most scandalous of cities in the worst and most decadent of periods, there was never an acceptance of homosexuality. And "acceptable" forms usually were limited to pederasty.
>There isn't full institutional acceptance.
So the problem is that they aren't gay enough. Got it. But I still can't say that it adds anything substantive to the story or the world building.

>>287496704
I agree that the story lacks that a substantial dichotomy in the conflict in terms of any 'side' providing for a better system.
The Knights Moralis are bad. The Brimhats are bad. The Pact is clearly built to support safety principles at the cost of suffering. But there's also no way to find a common ground here. The Brimhats aren't ideologically driven, they just have petty personal ambitions. The Knights Moralis are lawfags on a Judge Dredd level. The Pact turned Witch society itself into one where there's a good amount of paranoia about violating any of its tenets and even talking about changing them is reserved for people that are already ostracized.

In this we have Coco and her allies as our protagonists fighting everything, but they don't really have an ideology of their own. They oppose the world because they want to help people no matter what, but they don't have a systemic philosophical view behind this. Essentially we're relying on the author to have Coco as the mouthpiece create the 'good ideology' in this world, because it currently doesn't exist.

But this good ideology is also basically looking to be the Pact but with minor modifications made to it. But then that doesn't fix what actually makes the Pact such a problem in the first place. Because it doesn't change that magic is as easily used for evil as good.
Do we expect Coco to be capable of using mind wiping magic on someone who is trying to use magic for evil? What other solution do we have? Magical prison systems?

>>287496859
>The Pact hasn't had the slightest bit of reinterpretation, yet alone change to it.
I'm not sure if we can affirm this as a matter of fact, though I am an easily distracted reader so maybe I missed something, that is perfectly possible.

Ultimately, it is a bizarre that they have enforcers without the judiciary. Like cops with no courts. I hate that I sound like "WHAT IS ARAGORN'S TAX POLICY??" but this feels to me like a very clear problem with a code that is supposed to be absolute.

I'm in complete agreement with you and the other anon saying that the manga seems to be walking towards some kind of middle path, evidently so. But where I'm at right now in the manga, it doesn't feel like the author is dealing with this with any kind of deftness.

>>287496789
How many times must it be said, he was not mind wiped by them

>>287497129
The chapter is ambiguous on the ultimate resolution. It is not, however, regarding the expressed intent of the enforcers.

>all these essays
>t. how to tell people you're into voyeur without saying you're into voyeur

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>>287497168
Why would he want revenge on the knights if his memory got wiped? And right after he gets fixed he offers to give a guy a discount on his merchandise

Witch Hat Atelier was a series that was once on the cusp of greatness and then just became something bland and meandering. Could've been one of the greats but settled by just being pretty. The sheer unrealised potential makes it the kind of manga that stings the most.

>>287496103
>Neither of those are modern inventions. But acceptance of homosexuality is a modern thing,
No one give a shit because it's not the real world, /pol/tard
>And the world depicted in Witch Hat Atelier does not seem to meet the societal conditions for this sort of acceptance for a variety of reasons.
Lmao, call the fucking worldbuilding police

Where do you guys get the newest translated chapters? Nyaa is a bit slow for uploads.

>>287497441
Saying something like this is just saying that the story didn't follow along with what you day-dreamed about when it first started.
For the story meandering, that is reasonable to say in that there's no clear definitive plot progression, but at the same time it is a story just as much about exploring the world as it is about having a destination. It isn't like the characters are stagnant or anything.
It could have gone a direction of being a more structured fantasy series, if that really is what you wanted. But to me, it isn't like it missed potential by not going that way.
>>287497555
Mangafire, usually has good rips.
Weeb Central if all else fails, but it resizes scans. So not good for this manga.

I am going to start calling you the voyeur schizo if you don't shut up.

>>287497441
This but frieren

>>287497761
I would very much agree that it shares a lot of the same problems with Sousou no Frieren. But Frieren masks it better by very purposefully indulging in SoL and sidequests and simply not being singularly committed on the overarching objective, whereas WHA does seem to have a very defined problem to solve while not providing any sort of concrete structure towards illuminating and ultimately resolving this problem.

>>287497589
>Saying something like this is just saying that the story didn't follow along with what you day-dreamed about when it first started.
That's a bit uncharitable. It is possible to identify with some objectiveness where a story might falter.

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>>287495890
>The thing is that there shouldn't be any kind of disagreement that a "moral order" is a very understandable and acceptable concept. So it's extremely disappointing that the author thought that she should turn the institutional embodiment of this concept into her antagonists, which is extremely foid-coded and cringe.
No it's fucking not, that's the point. People who dictate moral to others and enforce it when necessary is inevitably a source for all sorts of corruption and power abuse.
The author is actually subtle enough to show a lot of knights in a positive light. That some of them are genuinely nice and friendly people. But the whole point is that the concept itself is shit and even those nice people end up enforcing their own morals in a shitty way.

Uh-oh, /pol/ is having a melty again

>>287499073
Are posts like these how you guys keep the threads alive?

>>287477051
Raping kids is not just for leftists, right wing faggots can (and do) participate as well. After all, they are both united under the same banner (Israel's)

>>287494019
From what I heard the show was almost entirely finished before hand, this time.

>police doing extreme shit in the story without consequences
>somehow this means the author is a leftist
?

>>287501160
have you seen her xitter?

>>287501160
Maybe the lgbt and anti-takaichi flags in twitter have something to do, Retard-kun.
The question is how much of her leftism you can tolerate. Not even her biggest dickriders question that she's a leftist.

>>287497761
Rent free, schizo

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I wish I was a brushbuddy that crawls inside the clothing of apprentices.

For some reason the ending keeps reminding me of the Silent Witch ending.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RT3cRQ2oOzU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKpNiW8T6ro

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This is so cringe. If I walked into an art classroom and someone showed me the lead smudged on their hand, I'd burst out laughing.

>>287501160
The people they idolize practically invented secret police.

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Would the Knights Moralis mindwipe Fern for this?

>>287504310
>casting magic directly on your eyes so that you can see through clothes
You better believe that's a mindwipe!
One knight would try. The rest would shit their pants after the first one gets immediately killed by Zoltraak.

>>287503123
She is a cringey child.
Everything Agott did here is something she'll cringe at horribly in 5 years.

https://courier.unesco.org/en/articles/kamome-shirahama-my-stories-can-speak-readers-who-feel-uncertain-about-themselves?utm_source=hootsuite&utm_medium=&utm_term=&utm_content=&utm_campaign=

Well, this is genuinely unexpected the fucking UNESCO

>>287505183
Our girl has won.

>>287497921
Frieren is just another people fight (the manga) but fantasy themed