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Sex should be normalized in seinen romcoms.
I’m not saying it has to be explicit, but as an adult nearing 30 it’s hard to go back to reading a romcom for adults (in theory) where nothing happens for 200 chapters, only for the manga to end with a hand-holding scene. You're lucky if there's even a kiss.
I’m just as much of a purityfag as the next guy. I’m not saying that female leads now have to be used goods, or that the protagonists should just be sleeping around with other people. It's just that sex is a normal part of a healthy and wholesome relationship. It can even serve as character development and in the worst-case scenario, it's at least sexier than the protagonist falling over the girl's breasts for the 256th time.
That's the one thing the second half of Kaguya-sama did right. I think Tokyo Ghoul is the perfect example without being a romcom.
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So why don't you read those instead, waiting for someone to spoonfeed ya?
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They hated him because he spoke the truth.
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>>287475327
Agreed, but it's always a matter of balance. Sweat and Soap ended up overdoing it.
Yanch gal has a perfect balance so far for me. The MC is scared of intimacy for a number of pretty understandable reasons, but he's slowly getting there (hickeys is the current limit)
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>>287475716
This manga is too good for the degenerates on this board.
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>>287475327
if you're nearing 30 and are a man, you shouldn't be reading romcoms at all but focusing your attention on your loving wife. adult romcoms are for wives who miss their husband's tender touch and needs something to tide them over
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I don't mind if there isn't sex but when it's for pathetic reasons like the dude shouts "wah!!" if he brushes up against a girl then I only hate it.
How much better it would be if manga didn't feature sex for a loser character and illustrated why through portraying his feeling social anxiety; like that rising feeling of panic when you're in a social situation beyond your capability to deal with and you feel it, and your anxiety, spiraling out of control. Much better than falling over backwards when she reaches her hand towards you or some other retarded shit.
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>>287476092
>will-they-wont-they
You mean when will sales drop enough that it ends so they will, since you so often know it's they won't until then. If you want some combination of two types saying go read the other instead is not a solution.
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>>287475716
>>287476741
This manga makes me sad and unfilfilled as that Gosling meme.
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>>287475716
>>287476741
>Finally got out on a date
>Ruin it all by fucking his ex
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>>287475716
>>287476741
Thanks for the tip
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>>287476741
“””””senien””””” manga that just focus on sex sex sex fuckbuddies sex sex cheating sex sex like this trash are way worse than shonen manga where everyone is asexual. They’re just thinly veiled unrealistic wish fulfillment hentai doujins
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>>287475716
Is this the one where they like each other but both of them are too pussy to say it, so they're in a sex friends relationship? I remember trying to read it but the artstyle was just too cutesy for sex friends so I couldn't get into it, it was just too mismatched
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I want a romcom with gratuitous nudity and the girls being competitively trashy. I hate how regular romcoms waste 200 chapters having the girls warm up to the guy enough to be naked around him and then end right when it was finally getting entertaining.
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>>287481213
Only women want to read a story where the relationship is still a question mark after they confessed and fucked. Either they stay together and its a gigantic waste of time or you appeal to NTRfaggots, its a lose-lose situation.
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>>287481111
Marriage
>>287481254
>love rivals
That's cringe and cucked
>>287481302
There's plenty to explore. Actually maintaining a healthy relationship is harder than getting into one.
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>>287475327
Sounds illegal and immoral. They should really only have sex after they get married, and then mainly for reproduction because Japan needs a lot more Japanese babies and they should do their patriotic duty.
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>>287475327
Unless it's actually plot relevant, what's the point? Realistically the only reason to include it is to create drama, otherwise you're wasting panel space on something that doesn't have anything to do with the story.
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This is why I read seinen yuri.
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>>287475327
Are you not tired? There's already coom coom coom everywhere you look.
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>>287475327
>That's the one thing the second half of Kaguya-sama did right.
Fuck no, this only further weakened the already weak arranged marriage plotline, and made the already insufferable and plot-armored MCs even more insufferable and plot-armored.
In the end, /a/ was proven right about mocking that shit.
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>>287482519
If she is supposed to represent an "everywoman," then why did they make her so sexy?
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I can finally post something!
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Look at the love comedy lineup in YK. Anjo isn't representative at all.
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>>287475327
>but as an adult nearing 30 it’s hard to go back to reading a romcom for adults (in theory)
Go read a book or watch a movie, instead of trying to find fulfillment in a medium that's aimed at 20-year-olds and younger, even when branded as 'seinen'. Also, the fact that you think 'sex' is a sign of maturity just goes to show how immature you really are, despite your age.
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>>287475327
There's either a lack of understanding or a lack of interest in eroticism when it comes to male targeted manga.
Romance is all about intimacy shared, and if they don't show that, how else am I supposed to take anything involving it seriously. And I don't necessarily mean benis in bagina. It's about the mutual want becoming physical. Both sides needing the other so much it shows in all they do, no matter if they consciously wanted that or not. A hand that grips too hard, a gaze that lingers too long. Even that holds tension
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>>287475327
Well, it's a nice coincidence that this thread is up. Yesterday I received a drawing that I commissioned from the mangaka herself.
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I am literally married and have a child, with another on the way. Let me repeat: Nobody but women gives a fuck about a relationship after the confession, kiss, and sex. What is compelling about it? "Oh look they went on a date again" "oh hey theyre sitting around on a thursday night watching some shitty movie off netflix and giggling about it" "oh jeez, they got into a spat over something stupid, I wonder if theyll le break up???"
It is pointless. Again, they either stay together (waste of time for the reader) or they break up over dumb shit (even bigger waste of time for the reader that renders the entire work pointless). You THINK you want to see more afterwards, but you dont. It would get old extremely fast. There is a reason that shit like what you are describing only happens in shoujo and women's romance in general. You're describing the type of trtipe that happens in Grey's Anatomy.
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>>287492588
No, Im just right. If it was something men cared about, it would be a staple of romcoms. It isnt. At all. Because the only ones that care about it is women, because they love that relationship drama shit. Men dont. The meat of the work is the journey to confession and consummation. Then we want a happily ever after. Like maybe a few chapters of them being mushy would be nice, but anything outside of a few chapters of fluff gets stale because you have effectively removed all conflict. The only way to keep it going is to spark drama and and the stakes that they might not make it after all, which feels fucking shitty.
I dont want that. I want to see a couple happy. I want a montage of them going on dates, laughing,holding hands, wedding, then the wife being preggers or already having kids, or both. I dont want 60 chapters of mush. I dont want 60 chapters of melodrama and teasing that they totally might break up. And I certainly dont want to see them actually break up. I dont want Grey's fucking Anatomy. Have the happy ending and move on.
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>>287475327
Im 35 and married. I dont have this problem. I miss when ecchi wasnt just porn. Call me a prude, but nip works shouldnt devolve into the degeneracy that plagues the west. Let it be its own thing. You have doujins for an outlet... well at least you used to, because the doujin industry got taken over by gachashit. But yea, it doesnt bother me
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>>287492778
It's not a staple of japanese romcoms, perhaps. But much of the appeal of slice of life series is watching couples going steady in their lives, and you had and have loads of western tv series based around married couples (bewitched, addams family, flintsones, jetsons, simpsons, etc.). But all those series rely on a static baseline that isn't allowed to change over time, to allow viewers to pick up any episode they want.
The real problem is that a series folowing a couple from the time they met to the time they have raise their children requires a scope far beyond what most viewers are willing to follow, and the few sucessful examples i can think off (dragonball, yozakura family, elusive samurai) put the romance aspect in the background in favour of action, or they compress the romance into a montage like in the first few minutes of UP.
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>and you had and have loads of western tv series based around married couples (bewitched, addams family, flintsones, jetsons, simpsons, etc.).
NTA but the difference there was that they were couples at onset. It was just SoL sitcom.
>The real problem is that a series folowing a couple from the time they met to the time they have raise their children requires a scope far beyond what most viewers are willing to follow, and the few sucessful examples i can think off (dragonball, yozakura family, elusive samurai) put the romance aspect in the background in favour of action
Yes, its exactly that. It doesnt work as the primary focus when the primary motivator at the start is a "why the wont they". You basically have to write something completely different the moment they hook up.
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>>287475327
>It's just that sex is a normal part of a healthy and wholesome relationship
Most seinen romcoms ends when they get to that point.
The whole point of most of them is that they are obviously made for each other, but hilarity ensues.
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>>287476741
This page is an act of aggression upon me and my shriveled and defective soul
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>>287499176
Just hop on VRChat and grab a big tittied anime fuck buddy (male).
I heard the Japanese ones actually stay silent instead of making constant AGP moans.
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>>287492477
>I am literally married and have a child, with another on the way. Let me repeat: Nobody but women gives a fuck about a relationship after the confession, kiss, and sex.
You just have shit taste. Also popularity is a bad judge, I don't care about nekketsu.
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>>287479314
Teenagers deal with alienation, depression, a sense of not belonging....but it feels like in Manga you always need to have the guy fixed by a girl instead of asking for professional help, or they have a super exaggerated 1 in a million bullying case
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