you clearly didn't understand the scene you posted, yeah

>>287490283
There are just as many, if not more, Japanese series about getting revenge. Have you tried not being a newfag?

It was written by a woman.

>>287490294
No, he's right, that's literally how the scene goes. It's literally just forced drama slop.

You're not copying him right.

>>287490283
Because of WW2 and Pearl Harbor

>>287490294
You clearly never understood anything about anything ever.

Blade of the immortal did the whole "cycle of revenge" theme the best

>>287490444
It's shit.

>>287490283
Few things feel as good as revenge, it is very much better than sex and the euphoria lasts for life, when a shitty mood overtakes just remembering that settled score is enough to turn a frown into a grin, it is the kind of thing that sustains you forever.

>>287490283
Maybe cuz it's for kids you fucking retard j

>>287490804
Lying to kids is a bad thing.

>>287490283
look at the state of east asia and you'll understand

>>287490917
which state that used to exist but no longer exists would you like to look at?

File: 8hxz7ujw.png (500.2 KB)

500.2 KB PNG

>>287491165
You know the one.

>>287490283
The point of the scene is that revenge is good but you cant show you are upset because thats beta behaviour

>>287492669
>Your revenge is so successful that the cycle ends because they no longer exist

>>287490294
>replying to bait

>>287492756
That's what you just did...

File: romans vs christcucks.jpg (120.1 KB)

120.1 KB JPG

Forgiveness is a christcuck value, not a japanese one. There's tons of anime where revenge is show as something that has to be done.

>287492860
I tip my fedora to you, sir!

>>287492860
>failed empire values

>>287493048
>start with successful values and succeed
>the change in values causes the fall

>>287492860
You have no foreskin, opinion discarded.

File: 1743348005763607.jpg (41.5 KB)

41.5 KB JPG

>>287490283
Youre too retarded to be kept alive yet your parents didnt abort you. i dont understand

>>287492669
Nippon will rise again

>>287490283
>but you can't just kill it
how about you post what Hawkeye said? Huh? You won't because it goes against your agenda? Fancy that

>>287493259
He said something retarded.

File: funny.jpg (61.5 KB)

61.5 KB JPG

>>287490283
it's funny

>>287493291
*She

>>287490283
>I never understood the obsession japs have with the "revenge is le bad" trope in anime.
Because Japan doesn't have draconian laws (yet) like China, so they have to make their population think that revenge is bad while the Japanese elite continues selling the country to the youkai of the Levant

>>287490283
The 03 anime did the exact same thing btw, and Roy even quit his dream of being Fuhrer over it.

>>287490283
That's because you're an impotent buffoon incapable of studying or paying attention. Go read up on the history of kegare, if you have any grey matter at all

>>287493259
You probably don't want a leader of a nation that gives into rage, yeah.

I actually do like they showed how shortsighted Scar's revengeance quest was by having him kill even military officials that were against the genocide and would have happily worked with him had he not been a "shoot first, ask questions never" retard.

>>287495276
That's like saying I'm giving into my bestial nature by drinking water.

>>287495412
There's a large difference between drinking water, and going out of your way to kill the lackey (not even the one who ordered the hit) of the guy who ordered the hit on your friend. Envy was pretty much incapacitated at that point and was a shit fighter anyway. Mustang would've achieved his revenge much more effectively by letting Riza or Scar finish off Envy while he focuses on Father. You know, the guy who was actually responsible for the conspiracy that took Hughes' life?

>>287495533
Drinking water is clearly deep in your nature, where as killing the guy who needs to be killed is an intellectual choice which has nothing to do with your nature at all.

File: frisbeerenthe.jpg (235.7 KB)

235.7 KB JPG

>>287490283
>"if you kill 'em you'll be just like 'em" vs "they speak only to deceive"
At first, I did not think much of this scene. However, look at FMA's you can't kill Envy" scene and Frieren's counterpart "Aura, kill yourself". When compared to each other, Frieren's is simply better on all aspects.
In FMA, the tired cliche is set up and executed. One might argue that there is a justification-it tries the 'justified cliche' angle-even then, that justification is extremely shoddy. They need to kill Envy in different circumstances, etc. Why even set up the cliche in the first place?

It cannot, however, compare to Frieren's scene. It's visceral. It speaks to the human heart.
They see evil, and steadfastly slay evil. It's the exact opposite. The cliche is not only avoided but rejected. A complete subversion.
The scene does, perhaps, say something about evil and the nature of it. And the human heart cannot lie. Maybe even a MAL rater comes to realize the transcendent truth behind it, and they cannot deny it. A scene that speaks to the hearts of human-and one that doesn't. The first place is easily hogged from its previous owner.

File: kneel.png (60.9 KB)

60.9 KB PNG

>>287495651

>>287490283
>Yeah this thing/person is an objectively evil monster that's too dangerous to be kept alive
This in not a revenge

>>287495786
>Yeah this thing/person that killed my mom is an objectively evil monster that's too dangerous to be kept alive

>>287495786
Revenge is simple stupid, brings nothing and leads to anarchy.
The other thing is eliminating the threat or punishment for criminal.

>>287490283
It's a good tool to make sure the slaves don't kill the masters when shit hits the fan.
It was popularized by Jews to control American slaves, and Americans used the same thing to control their Japanese slaves.

>>287495893
And if the target of your revenge is a threat and/or criminal, then it doesn't matter why you kill him so long as you kill him.

>>287495893
>Revenge is simple stupid
How ironic, it would by simply stupid here but you are not smart enough to know that.

>>287495823
In such a situation, personal revenge is merely a byproduct of eliminating the threat and punishing the perpetrator. It is not the goal of the attack in and of itself.

File: correct.jpg (54.6 KB)

54.6 KB JPG

>>287495934

>>287495954
No revenge is definitely the goal there, you must be a psychopath with no mom who was raised by an AI or something.

>>287490294
>um you clearly didn't understand that scene
>no i won't explain how
>because I don't actually have an argument due to being a midwit

>>287490283
It's written by a woman. She's pretty good as far as women authors go but her writing will inadvertently have woman moments in it.

>>287495786
In Envy's case, Mustang was clearly chimping out. Everyone else was even like "Look, if you're being rational and think he needs to die, just let one of us finish him off to prove it. He dies either way, so there's no morality in play." but Mustang didn't want to do it because he was being driven entirely by emotion. Didn't consider capturing him for questioning. Didn't consider prioritizing chasing down a more valuable target. Just wanted to burn Envy for the sake of burning him.

Bad leadership.

>>287496210
That argument doesn't work though so the scene just falls flat.

>>287496210
So basically it's not what you said it's how you said it, fucking women.

>>287490283
Revenge is just a chilidish impulse and doing something bad should never feel good. If you're stopping someone who's going to cause further harm that's one thing, but if you're just doing it for your own satisfaction you're just immature.

>>287496291
No. They KNEW chasing Envy was irrational, but they were going "maybe we're wrong and you've actually thought this through and decided this was the strategic course of action," so they gave him a chance to prove it. But he just confirmed to them he wasn't thinking rationally.

Then it kind of turned into a "Mustang, you can't do this shit when people are counting on you to think with your head" intervention.

>>287496482
This but the opposite. They clearly are fine with Envy dying, so there was no point in trying to stop him in the first place.

>>287490283
The point isn't that revenge is bad. In fact Japanese culture valorizes revenge in basically every facet.
Rather the point is that high minded moralists who consider themselves above petty motivations like hate and revenge inevitably fall into them as the violent reality of conflict strips away their pretense of moral high ground. The noble becomes savage, but the embrace of that savagery is itself more noble.

File: 212415365480.png (704.4 KB)

704.4 KB PNG

Watch good anime.

>>287496450
This
One should not confuse stopping an attacker or punishing a criminal with revenge.
The first two are justified if they are proportionate, while the latter is not.

>>287496742
>embrace of that savagery is itself more noble
>A return to monkey, where only strength reigns, is noble
All right, but it will still come to an end when a certain group of "apes" wises up, establishes some rules, and forms an organized community.
Then, paradoxically, that community will be able to use brute force to wipe the floor with "savages" for whom force is the highest value.

>>287497516
The entire justice system is set up to get revenge for you, what are you an anarchist?

>>287497604
There are plenty of such cases, both in history and today
The best part is when those who recognize only the law of the fist encounter an opponent who is stronger than them and forces them to back down under threat of force, and then they start coming up with reasons why he’s dishonorable to justify the fact that they lost at their own game by their own rules, and on top of that, were treated better than they themselves would have treated the defeated.
>>287497770
Not revenge, but punishment for the perpetrator.
That’s the difference.
Punishment is meant to prevent crimes, while revenge is motivated solely by personal feelings.

>>287497896
No revenge specifically, because if the victims are not personally satisfied they will take justice into their own hands and the whole system breaks down, and the system doesn't want the system to break down.