I often think about the superiority of semicircles over triangles.

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Why is OP such a fucking faggot all the time?

>>287492117
imagine if /pol/ watched this, none of them would support any form of autocracy, like fascism or communism.

>>287492244
if people on /pol/ could think they wouldn't be on /pol/

>>287492244
>imagine if /pol/ watched this, none of them would support any form of autocracy, like national communism or international communism

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>>287492117
They literally, objectively, still make anime exactly like this.

>>287492265
>national communism
That's like saying "a square circle".

>>287492117
How did LoGH change you as a person

>>287492318
it turned me into a pseud who postures about the good old days even though I wasn't even alive to experience them

>>287492285
>the nationalist movement created by the lifelong communist Mussolini
It's the accurate way to refer to what you brought up.
It's just another schism like Shia and Sunni.

>>287492117
>You know ones that actually make you think
What did you thought?

>>287492265
For /pol/, every ideology is ultranationalism, it's just a question of "for whose benefit" and "at whose expense", plus perhaps "how transparently". Their problem with communism isn't that it's international but rather that it's the nationalism of those whose interests are at odds with the local brand of nationalism.

They believe that behind every anti-tribalist political movement you will ultimately find a rvial tribalism that feels threatened in its interests by the tribalism that it claims to oppose on the outside.

>>287492244
>>287492406
Any support that exists for fascism today is solely because it acts as a rallying cry for fighting back against shitskins and jews. Nobody honestly cares about any of its other policies.

Sure feels like Legend of the Galactic Heroes in here haha

>>287492568
It really does since the message of this show really touches on these topics.

>>287492271
They haven't in like 3 years actually, and it looks awful.

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>>287492244
They do watch it, but they're so retarded that they unironically think it's a full-throated support of autocracy and a condemnation of democracy.

>>287493984
>and a condemnation of democracy.
It totally was.

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>>287494071
You are very, very stupid. Please watch the show before replying to me again.

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>>287494132
It's trash so I will not watch it again.

>>287494132
>cherry picking
Going out of their way to talk about it's corruption and how shit it is over and over actually is a condemnation anon.

Watched this for the first time. Really great!

I doubt it, but I suppose there isn't anything like it?

>>287494246
There are tons of shows with simple childish strategies that are called genius in universe.

>>287492117
They made exactly that anime just a couple of years ago.
>make you think, change you as a person
If anything in LoGH had that effect on you then you must be very young or stupid.

>>287492244
It's crazy how Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Mao, Napoleon, Caesar and every other autocrat could have been defeated by some Japanese media. This has to be true because the alternative is that you are a retard.

>>287494387
Napoleon is the reason why we have democracy you dumb nigger.

>>287494499
>democracy is when you overthrow the government and kill everyone

>>287494499
Who's "we"? The United Kingdom, the United States and the Netherlands all had healthy democracies at the time. Putting aside the fact he came to power through a coup (no judgement) and ruled with complete autocratic control (based) what exactly about him was democratic? At best you could say the liberals of the 1830s and 1840s were born from his form of nationalism but they didn't look to him for inspiration when it came to carrying out elections.

>>287494071
The anime shows how a truly great autocrat, backed by highly competent people, can benefit society, really benefit and appear superior to democracy until something happens to the leader(death, a change of heart, etc) Then, in just a few days, not months or years, but days that utopia turns into a dystopia. The anime perfectly shows why it is impossible to prevent that in the long run, unless there is some mechanism for the people to remove the leader and those behind him, called democracy.

>>287494700
>turns
Meanwhile democracy was a dystopia the entire time. Only one option has a chance.

>>287492285
The vast majority of Communist movements, basically every successful one, embraced nationalism. Communism is the political movement of the Communist Party, which is the party that seeks the abolition of classes by using the state to bring about socialism, and then eventually going beyond that (is to lower-case c communism, the economic system rather than the political movement or party)

Nationalism is absolutely not opposed to Communism, even if it's ultimately not something that is immediately likely in communism

>>287494748
>successful
Error 404, Error 404

>>287494744
How was it dystopia? It was corrupted, but nowhere close to the pre-Reinhard galactic empire.
You can't base the system on the idea that one day someone like Reinhard will appear. It must be flexible.

>>287494804
It was corrupted.

>>287492244
Imagine if /pol/ didn't exist

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>>287494700
It's interesting how Fascistic utopias tend to lean towards and immortal Emperor whilst their Communistic counterparts go for the benevolent AI angle. Loji, my beloved. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjF0Zzv4gxE
>>287494744
Imagine if the world's chiefest democracy was ruled by satanic paedophiles.
>>287494748
It's fascinating how much Soviet nostalgia and Nationalism married together, the fact that Lukashenko is still going strong shows that combing the two is a very viable option.

>>287492117
Because most anime is based on manga or light novels instead of real novels

>>287494906
*combining

>>287494700
99.9999% of the empire's subjects saw none of the benefits from it whatsoever and were basically slaves. only a tiny population of oligarchs got to benefit.
Not to mention the emperor was just a glorified pirate, marauding across the universe like a common criminal.

>>287492117
if it disn't change you into someone that no longer comes to 4chan it didn't change you in a way that matters

>>287494906
>Imagine if the world's chiefest democracy was ruled by satanic paedophiles.
Haha, good thing that never happened right, haha ha.

>>287494761
The leading power in the world is one, despite having been a literal backwater like 70 years ago. Comparing the success of Communist countries to capitalist ones is just unfair: places like America got dealt a royal flush and still managed to blow their hand

>>287494906
>Imagine if the world's chiefest democracy was ruled by satanic paedophiles.
there is zero proofs that trump fucked children.
zero. you lost tranny.

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>>287494980
https://youtu.be/ksb3KD6DfSI?t=55
>>287495029
Red Team Blue Team Red Team Blue Team Red Team Blue Team

It's just like my life changing Marvel movies.

>>287495039
Ok

>be a citizen of the Empire
>being enslaved and forced into hard labor is a daily concern
Hmm.

>be a citizen of the FPA
>nobody is enslaved
>even captured POWs from the Empire aren't forced to work if they don't feel like working (Gaiden: Spiral Labyrinth)
The people who think that life in the FPA is worse than life in the Empire are the same people who always imagine themselves wearing the boot instead of being crushed beneath the boot.

>>287495143
Let's talk about something more on your level, what's your favorite brand of bubbles?

>>287495048
>everyone is saying 2 + 2 = 4
>this is dystopia

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>>287495162
I don't think it's worth my time to talk to someone who is too stupid to even recognize they're stupid. Have a nice day :)

>>287495279
>no u

>>287495149
>being enslaved and forced into hard labor is a daily concern
Reinhard literally changed all of that.
Citizens of the Empire under Reinhard had free speech, full freedom of movement, and the feudal caste system was abolished along with noble legal privileges. In fact, later in the anime, the Galactic Empire moves toward a decentralized economy and independent military systems on a planet-by-planet basis, in one episode, you even see officers criticizing that decision.

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>>287492117
They prefer straightforward and easy-to-understand content because it sells more, like jjk or Csm.

OP has a point; you don't see as much anime like that anymore, though it's not like there never was much of it. Another factor is that it's an adaptation of a novel, which tends to be more complex and polished than a manga. Complex and polished manga like Sangatsu or Mushishi are not weekly and are infrequent (plus they sell less). There's also not much interest in adapting novels because they don't sell among the otaku audience (even light novels), and visual novels have declined significantly due to gacha games. It would be cool to see a coherent adaptation of Higurashi or Muvluv.

Basically, because they don't sell, people in general don't want to think.

>>287495364
>independent military systems on a planet-by-planet basis
They were right to criticise that by the way, absolute nonsensical decision.

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>>287495398
>Newfag doesn't even have an anime pic

>>287495413
It’s not nonsensical. it’s a massive empire where it takes hours or even days for information to travel from one place to another. If generals do not make decisions independently and instead wait for the Kaiser, it would be too late. In fact, almost all necessary wins from Yang came from the empire's officers not having an independent thought.

>>287495459
I've been here for over a decade lel

>>287495551
Shut up you little bitch.

>>287492271
What even happened to this anyway? They were saying in interviews and shit they wanted to do a full adaptation if possible but it just petered out. Was it that unsuccessful?

>>287495606
>waaaah goo goo gah gah waah

>>287495537
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetrarchy
There is a massive difference between fostering tactical innovation and boldness and allowing strategic decisions independent of a central command. It is simply asking for a breakdown of the nation state.

>>287495364
>Reinhard literally changed all of that.
>Citizens of the Empire under Reinhard had free speech, full freedom of movement, and the feudal caste system was abolished along with noble legal privileges.
If it's that easy to change it, then it's also that easy to change it back the next time there's a bad emperor. I wonder what the ratio of good emperors to bad emperors is in the Empire...

>>287495753
That's the point, one system can be fixed, the other is just permanently shit.

>>287495696
no u

>>287495771
>the other is just permanently shit.
No slavery though? Maybe your standards for shit are different than mine.

>>287496096
Shit doesn't meet my standards and I'm not going to debate whether shit tastes better hot or cold, but by all means enjoy your "lesser evil" shit sandwich.
I'd prefer actually fixing things myself.

>>287496191
>I'd prefer actually fixing things myself.
So what got fixed? No more enslavement? Hey, guess what, the FPA had that the entire time. No more privileges of nobility? That was also available the entire time. Did anything get fixed that the FPA cannot fix?

>>287495749
>It is simply asking for a breakdown of the nation state
True. But, you end up with an ineffective military. Communication between different regions takes time, and when you add bureaucracy and the speed at which situations change, you end up with uncoordinated disorder.
For example, if a government on a specific planet wants to increase its military budget by 1%, it should be able to do so independently of the central government. The central government should only intervene when those decisions cause problems. It’s a gamble, but especially during wars, it is a necessary one. The military that can't function independently during hard times is a terrible military.
So, Reinhard decisions make perfect sense, especially on a galaxy level.

>>287496332
>Here we see the utopia compared to the corrupt lesser evil
Why try to deny the obvious.

>>287496395
Is the utopia in the room with us right now?

I think you must have watched a different series if you believe that either side approached utopia.

>>287496363
All good points. I believe it comes to down personal philosophy and preferred strategy at the end of the day, a worse military for a more unified political environment and vice versa is one of those decisions any autocrat will have to make. There are also many examples in favour for both arguments found throughout history so the conversation is certainly open. I suppose my principal argument comes from a cynical perspective that those officers disagreeing with the decision to grant autonomy act as a patient zero for a future centralization push by the next crop of military leadership that might result in a split with the new systems refusing to relinquish their new freedoms.
>The central government should only intervene when those decisions cause problems
It's a matter of if the central government will be able to intervene rather then if they will have the will to do so.

>>287496527
>Is the utopia in the room with us right now?
Yes, I'm not even the guy who first used the word.

>>287492117
The real answer? It's too intellectual for the 30 year old women who buy most of the merch for male-led anime series. They really only buy the stuff for dumb battle shounen that make them "feel things". And male audiences just want to buy merch featuring a bunch of cute girls that make them feel things in their pants. So the economics for a show that appeals to men with male characters just doesn't work out. Too expensive to produce for too little return.

>>287496855
Yes, precisely. You gotta make cute girls discussing economy and politics. This is what truly appeals to a man. Only then you'll profit.

>>287492244
I did, and I still do

>>287496855
>>287497057
So the better space anime is Bodacious Space Pirates?

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>>287492117
Because most anime fans don't want to think, they want power fantasies where they're always right.

Could you imagine what Friren would be like if it actually had anything to say about the ethics of exterminating demons for the benefit of humans?

>>287497057
That's exactly what would work. Give us a cute bespectacled librarian type who's super well-read and can quote philosophers and classic literature by heart, a scientist in a sexy lab coat who knows all of the sciencey stuff, a cute economics professor carrying one of those sticks to point to things on a chalkboard, maybe a nerdy computer hacker type who can look up basic facts on Wikipedia with her 1337 hax0r skillz. Have them sit down, eat cake, and discuss deep intellectual matters. Use a brilliant prodigy JC in a cute school girl uniform with entirely too short a skirt as our POV character asking questions so the others can explain things to the audience. Would sell truckloads of merch. Give it a poppy, upbeat OST to sell tracks. Randomly do a beach episode where they use the ocean as a metaphor while all in bikinis.

>>287498357
It said plenty, you just were not smart enough to listen.

>>287496855
LotGH was actually pretty famous for being a fujoshi favorite in Japan in the 90s.

>>287497126
Better from an economic standpoint, at least.

>>287498423
You are comparing a nuclear bomb to a coughing baby here anon, legend made way more money.

We just had Orb like a year ago bri

far too angry of a thread for this show
everyone calm down

>>287498566
You know Chuck Norris once told a woman to calm down, and then she actually did.

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does logh need to be an animated series? it's an adaptation of a book and it's mostly scenes of people talking to each other.
This thread is basically asking how come hyper-niche products are not mass produced but framing it as an intellectual drought in the medium of Japanese animation

>>287498613
>intellectual drought
I take it you really want to talk about the triangles and circles.

>>287492117
Is LoGH actually that good though? I haven't watched it but the praise sounds too good to be true

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>>287498669
The animation is dated, no wait trash and it's not actually very deep. The simplified approach to making space 2d reflects the level of thought put into it.

fact: anime is objectively the least bad animation medium on the planet

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>>287498395
An actual discussion of the morality, not just saying that it needs to be done.

>>287498491
They made a lot more of LoGH over a much longer period of time.

>>287498765
Yeah that's what it did over and over, that's why there are all those threads crying about killing the demons.

>>287498789
>they just kept making the money I don't know why
Yeah everyone would do that if they could.

>>287492117
because it's expensive.

>>287498820
You're one of those people who doesn't understand per capita.

>>287498854
That's not how this works.

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>>287492117
>Gaijins!

>>287492117
They still do, but anime like this in general are rare in the first place. LotGH is highly praised precisely because it's so great at accomplishing those things and for being a great story in general.

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>>287498792
A discussion in the show, not the fandom. If there was an actual discussion on the show you'd be able to provide screenshots.

>>287498384
The problem is that you need a writer that can not only discuss those topics, but do it in a way that is entertaining.

>>287499057
>tell me don't show me
anon...

>>287495029
There's a lot of proof, and even if you think he didn't personally do that, he's covering for the people who did.

>>287499067
Make it an isekai, the five have been transported to another world due to an accident with a particle collider and must educate the locals in order to defeat the demon king in a formal debate.

>>287499091
Still no screenshots of telling or showing.

>>287499093
He's definitely covering for those who did, or more likely those running it, but there's not a single shred of evidence he participated or had anything but a passing social contact with anyone who did. It's a bad enough situation without you resorting to making shit up and discrediting your argument.

>>287499132
No I'm not planning to derail the thread that hard just because you are retarded, because frankly I don't see how they can literally debate morality in the show using the characters to talk to you and you are still confused.
>You won't stop me this time
Look sorry but this really is as simple as you being dumb, and clearly a newfag too based on your facebook pics.

>>287498669
It's a character-driven series with a major focus on history and politics in a highly nuanced but also very accessible way. It's worth watching. Start with My Conquest Is the Sea of Stars and then go to OVA Episode 1.

>>287499156
The files already out him as being involved, and there's now another case of him trying to rape a teenager who bit his dick in response. It's bad enough that he's covering up for the murderous pedos, but he's a pedo too.

>>287499194
>accessible
>They dumbed it down

>>287499235
No, hence the part about it being highly nuanced. LotGH manages to be intelligent and accessible on these matters, and it has 109 episodes to do it with.

>>287499234
LOL

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>>287499260
>intelligent
I think we might have a different definition here.

>>287499302
This but unironically.

>>287499194
Watching Overture to a New War before the OVA is definitely recommended, since the first couple of episodes are really dry and the movie re-adapts them to make the viewer actually feel invested in what's going on.

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There's very specific circumstances that lead to LoGH getting animated.
It was considered a moon shot even back then.

The only thing I think that's changed in the industry to make something exceptional like LoGH from getting lucky and getting made is that the industry is really heavily biased against long running, high episode productions now. That and a lack of male voice talent.

>>287498357
What is there to say about the ethics of exterminating animals whose only desire is eating people

>>287499508
They don't only desire to eat people. They also desire to kill people for fun and to show off how powerful they are.

>>287499566
Vgh... I just killed that demon that flayed the skin off of a toddler for fun... am I... le bad guy?

>>287499508
>It looks like a demon duck
>It walks
>It quacks like a duck
>It's a duck
The demons who look and try to act like humans, actually represent humans, shocking I know.

>>287493984
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>>287494906
Whether it's the super-duper cool philosopher king in the spotlight or the hardest voting democracy, beyond the superficial there's always the same minority rule, because any org is essentially just a gang and the form of bureaucracy has NEVER EVER changed its character.

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>>287499648
They evolved to look like us and sound like us so that they can have an easier time manipulating us into letting our guard down. It's explained over and over again. Not even all of them did that. Don't you dare get snarky while making such an abhorrent and retarded point.

>>287499755
They look like us because the author is intentionally using them to make a point about us. Even if you are human that alone doesn't give your life value.

>>287498409
It still is now. Especially with the new adaptation, with its extremely feminine targeted merch of girly accessories and things made for itabags.
It knows exactly who its target audience is.

>>287492244
it names the Jew tho

>>287492244
((((Phezzan))))

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>>287494245
can you show me where the corruption existed in the goldenbaum dynasty? It's not hard. You could even argue that inside Reinhardt's empire, Reuenthal was corrupt because all he did was helicopter Reinhardt probing for weakness
also, could you show me where the corruption inside the alliance was? Correct. It came from agitators exploiting like with the patriotic knights, or outright foreign subterfuge like with the church of terra and fezzan
meanwhile, democracy allows the El facil revolutionary council to step up when they saw the alliance was fraudulent

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>>287501887
he's smack talking himself because his country got conquered - he has a rather low opinion of himself given that he became a politician of the empire and only recently returned to former alliance territory by the time of that exchange. Now, NOBODY liked trunicht, notably Yang, who thre him under the bus at every opportunity and didn't trust his volksturm plan of stopping the empire, leading to defeat and accepting occupation rather than outright conquest (which happens anyway because the alliance reveals itself as unable to be a decent government and play by its own laws in the trial of yang). Nevertheless, Trunicht was the protagonist of his own story of trying to fix the alliance except he owed everything to the terraists who housed him during the coup, and who helped him win elections. Those same terraists hounded his every attempt at independence, notably when he tried to vote AGAINST invading the empire. Those terraists, working with fezzan, got him to accept the goldenbaum child, prolonging the war - probably as a quid pro quo with housing him in the first place.

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>>287492253
Trvke

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>>287497126
>anime has rocket science

Discussion surrounding this really died when everyone got so sensitive about /pol/ and anti-/pol/ shit.

>>287503957
Nah, everyone just started watching Bodacious Space Pirates instead of posting.