Thread #287497423
Volume 51
Sasuke vs. Danzo!!
Chapter 477: Do Not Speak of Itachi
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>>287497430
I love Danzo.
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First Karin assist amongst many
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Danzo is right about everything
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>>287497902
It's time limit based, not lives based. Being realistic it's just how Kishimoto is showing his ability to the readers in a spooky mysterious way but you could probably justify it in universe by saying Danzo is just letting Sasuke exhaust himself, which he is >>287497488
Danzo seems powerful not because he has huge flashy overpowered jutsu but basically because he's still strong enough to pressure you and force you to use your strong stuff for 10 minutes without letting up, and if you mess up at some point he'll land a critical hit
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>>287497982
>Danzo is just letting Sasuke exhaust himself, which he is >>287497488
sasuke facing consequences for his actions? lmao
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>>287498014
As a Danzofag I'm not too upset at Sasuke winning, it's made pretty clear Danzo got jumped by a bunch of people here and Sasukeshooting through the hostagewas a nice moment. Basically it's Sasuke at his lowest but not in an annoying way, he's unhinged.
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and his unhinged moment is ignored and forgotten even by the hostage. he said one sorry bro and that's it. the hostage didn't even die because of course the reader starts going oh wait he literally tried to kill his team but he failed it must mean he secretely good
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Ah Ah AIEEEEEE
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>>287497455
>Karin can tell if someone is in a genjutsu too
Damn, they just keep shitting on the Hyugas. That's definitely an ability the Byakugan should have.
Did that Ao guy realise that the samurai leader was under a genjutsu by looking at his chakra with the Byakugan? Or did he do it by just looking at Danzo's Sharingan? I can't remember.
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Kishimoto trying to make us think that the characters are using deductive reasoning to find out enemies abilities and the answer is, like always, O MY SHARINGAN SECRET ABILITY (chapter 477) THAT NO ONE KNOWS ABOUT UNTIL NOW !!!!!
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>>287497571
Maybe he's a bit hypocritical about the "Uchiha sacrifice" here, but Danzo's still 100% right. I think this is the only time in the series someone actually calls out Sasuke's hypocrisy, and the story just glosses over it without addressing it any further, kek.
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>>287498750
I don't see the issue here? Danzo is using a new unknown ability which obviously has something to do with the weird sharingan arms he took a chapter to unseal and the characters fighting him have to examine how it works to understand it. Hell, it's not even the regular Izanagi, it's a weird version of it.
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Honestly, this might be the most stupid sharingan power yet. I can accept genjutsu, black flames spawning out of nothing, or chakra mechs but rewriting reality so you can load a save is on another level of stupid.
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>>287498872
>using the established rules of sharingan in a creative way that introduces battle strategy elements?
>uhh no, actually Danzo is using another secret Sharingan broken ability, prediction, copying, seeing Chakra, Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi and Susannoo etc weren't enough.
how can you defend this?
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>>287499005
Izanagi is a one time use thing and Danzo's setup (Hashirama arm + 10 Sharingans = 10 minutes of invincibility) is both unique and interesting.
I don't think Danzo would be a very interesting fight if he was just using part 1 Sharingan precog/seeing chakra. It would just be a generic Fuuton user with super sight. On the other hand, suicidal tactics and pressure are more interesting.
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>>287498761
characters that tell it straight aren't allowed here
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>>287499039
Also there's nothing inherently bad with revealing new Sharingan techniques that nobody used before because they weren't anywhere near that level. This is basically endgame Sharingan shit and it comes at a huge cost.
Blame Kishimoto for forgetting about the Byakugan. Blame Kishimoto for making Itachi invincible with "lol I casted genjutsu with my finger". Don't blame Kishimoto for writing an actually good fight with a new hidden but very costly sharingan ability.
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I guess based on the angle, it could be something like this.
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>>287497455
why dumb man not die when me squish? maybe me need change tactics..
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SASUKE SMASH! RARGH!
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>>287497488
>It's another "no, stop, you can't over use THAT technique!" fight where Sasuke spams as much as he wants and is never debilitated or effected in any way
They needed to just stop doing this. I get the thematic purpose of Sasuke fighting with reckless abandon because he's consumed with revenge, but him spamming Susanoo and Amaterasu so many God damn times now and it not doing anything but making his eye bleed (which doesn't seem to hamper him in any way) is just retarded.
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This man died twice against Sasuke in less than 5 pages
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>>287498962
The Sharingan as a whole is just retarded. Didn't it start off as simply the ability to copy jutsu? Then it expanded to the point of summoning OHKO flames and demonic samurai Gundam armor. And that's not even the half of it.
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Should 5ks Sasuke be above the sannin? Feel like Jiraiya with big ass toad summons would be pretty devastating to Sasuke.
Read somewhere people think Sasuke didn't truly surpass Orochimaru (healthy) till he got ems.
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>>287499303
>evil
he loved his brother so fucking much, he's not evil. but he has such a big loving heart... he can't stand people talking shit about his brother. He was the coolest brother, so many happy memories....
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Arigatou, OP!
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>>287499115
Aaaaah yes, tactical masterpiece fights such as "I shot 1 Katon which lets me use my ult" and "Well my eyes hard counter your shit and I also jumped on a sword which lets me hit your bird for some reason, those 32 inches really helped!"
This entire daily is a bunch of retroactive praise, this is fucking insane. I was there a few months ago when we all shat on the Itachi and Deidara fights, now they're good?
>n-no it just got wors-
It didn't
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>>287499363
Because he almost did, kek. Remove Karin giving Sasuke a free heal at the end and Danzo can use Shisui's eye on Tobi.
>>287499367
Yes, a fight between a stronger tank that can also shoot from a distance and a nimble but weaker fighter who can pressure the tank into wasting his stamina away is an interesting setup we never see before or after in Naruto. Once again I'm talking to a degenerate baboon who can only reason in memes and buzzwords, "sharingan eyehacks" instead of actually looking at what this comic book fight is actually selling us.
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>>287499411
>Aaaaah yes, tactical masterpiece fights such as "I shot 1 Katon which lets me use my ult" and "Well my eyes hard counter your shit and I also jumped on a sword which lets me hit your bird for some reason, those 32 inches really helped!"
This but unironically
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>>287499439
>"I SEE you so now you're burning forever lol"
No fight has ever gone like that
>"cool attack bro but my chakra mech is invincible"
No fight has only ever been that
This is absurd reductionism. Even the Raikage vs Sasuke fight, which for all intents and purposes was Kishimoto showing us the flashy new Enton + Susano stuff, was a lot more nuanced than this and highlighted more shit from both fighters.
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>>287499411
At the end of the day people aren't interested in actually discussing the merits and flaws of Kishimoto's manga, or as an artist. They don't care about how well drawn a fight is, what the choreography shows, what the issues or concepts are. All they want is to spout memes like "eyehaxx lmao the powercreep man the scaling remember the Byakugan?".
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>>287499448
>Yes, a fight between a stronger tank that can also shoot from a distance and a nimble but weaker fighter who can pressure the tank into wasting his stamina away is an interesting setup we never see before or after in Naruto
Is that what's happening? I see a chakra mech guy spamming things without consequence and the other guy respawning while someone comments on the side and tries to find out what the fuck is even happening
>Once again I'm talking to a degenerate baboon who can only reason in memes and buzzwords
why are you so butthurt dude?
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>>287499516
>o my well drawn fight scene
confusing paneling and people respawning at random with huge inner monologue from people watching the fight
>o my issues and concepts
Sasuke literally doesn't use any reasoning or try to defeat Danzo ideologically. He simply spams his moves. how is that impacting the issues and concepts? lmao
>All they want is to spout memes like "eyehaxx lmao the powercreep man the scaling remember the Byakugan?"
The manga literally doesn't give a shit. Sasuke is killing his friends and then the writer ignores it.
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>Is that what's happening?
Yes, it's only the beginning so far so it's more like showing off the abilities but we're already getting some nice flavor bits like Danzo using respawn + Fuuton to keep the pressure on. It's only escalating, withSasuke having to use the arrows to keep him on his toes because if he doesn't then Danzo can just undo it and keep his invincibility minutes safe. Then you have other small but nice jutsu like the summons (Danzo's is next), the seal Danzo just put on Sasuke during this last exchange, and of course the final bitwith Sasuke's genjutsu on Danzo's final eye.
>why are you so butthurt dude?
I'm kinda bummed that this board's level has degenerated so bad. The 2020 storytime had much better posters. I don't even care if you disagree with me about this (frankly shitty) children comic book, but you're not even disagreeing, you're just spouting a bunch of random shit without actually engaging with the content.
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And to elaborate, we can add "spam" >>287499676 to the list of words that make it sound like you're discussing the thing but you aren't
>spam
>powercreep
>eyehax
>sharingan
>uchiha
>remember the byakugan?
>remember when we used to be ninjas? (*forgets about genin kaijus*)
>man I miss Neji vs Kidomaru!
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>>287499385
>what the fuck is happening
obviously just a genjutsu. Kishimoto isn't some crazy Itachi fanboy who would just bring him back from the dead and let him steal the spotlight from Sasuke in a major battle.
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>I think this is the only time in the series someone actually calls out Sasuke's hypocrisy, and the story just glosses over it without addressing it any further, kek.
Not true. Tobi himself asked Sasuke "are you sure you want to go totally against Itachi's goals?" and Kakashi said the same thing a few chapters ago.
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>I'm kinda bummed that this board's level has degenerated so bad
You're a special snowflake I guess
why are you so mad and defend this dogshit writing so much? Just because you want to treat it like we should accept that manipulating reality itself using sharingans transplanted into a person's body, no dude that's not going to happen. LMAO
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>>287499910
I'm not special. Good storytimes have people actually engage with things rather than superficially keep shitting memes like this. I'm just the last autist who keeps expecting any level of quality discussion for this dogshit manga when everyone else rightfully moved on.
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>>287499961
Aside from the spam you just have most of the people not even engaging with the manga in a genuine way, which is making any actual discussion trying to be had by the few people who care about it even more difficult. So the daily has unfortunately become pretty damn terrible ever since Part 2 started whereas in Part 1 it was more jovial even if a lot of people were still criticizing things.
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>>287499762
Yep, add "broken" to the list >>287500158
Maybe "OP" "nerf" "buff" too
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Surely Danzo is keeping count of these... right?
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>>287499762
>lol, lmao
can also be added to the list >>287500574
We don't need LLMs to mimick some of the subhuman anons posting in these threads. Much more rudimentary scripts can do that just fine
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>>287498761
>Devises the Uchiha massacre for the greater good of Konoha
>Argued for their Jinchuriki's safety after 7 others were hunted and killed without their villages giving a single shit (barring Sand)
>Was the only authority in Konoha to put consequences on Sasuke's terrorism
>Calls out Sasuke's hypocrisy
Danzo deserved better.
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>>287497571
Danzo is way too fucking BASED holy shit lmfao wtf literally the only logical AND ninja character in this entire series
Danzo is the ONLY CHARACTER WHO DESERVES TO BE A KAGE IN THIS ENTIRE MANGA HOLY. FUCK.
Uchiniggers are nothing but emotional toddlers with severe mental illness issues and magic eyes and mech shields to crush anyone who opposes them
FUCK uchiniggers
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>>287500679
Meanwhile Tsunade did absolutely nothing as the village was destroyed, let Sasuke run wild and do whatever he wants because it would be mean to stop him, and is in a fucking coma because she spent all her energy protecting people who would have been revived anyway.
The last one's not entirely her fault given she spent energy to protect her people, now knowing they were in no danger due to loldeusexmachina protecting them, but God damn Tsunade was beyond worthless.
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>>287500670
Watch out, he updated his script >>287500712
He added "ni".
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>>287500745
Not to mention Tsunade couldn't even keep her Shinobi in line. Shikamaru completely went against her orders for his own personal gain and she just let it happen. I'm pretty sure there were other instances but I can't remember them.
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>>287499221
>Didn't it start off as simply the ability to copy jutsu?
I think it's main abilities originally were reading movements and genjutsu. Both were present during team 7 vs Zabuza. I think Kakashi was just skilled enough to copy hand signs at the same time as reading them, which was why he was the copy ninja. Seeing chakra and being anle to reverse engineer it may have been intended too, but I don't remember if that was brought up during LoW or not. Maybe while Sasuke fought Haku?
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>>287500863
Shinobi going against orders seems par the course, despite one of the central themes of Naruto being Shinobi, as soldiers, are forced to participate in the endless cycle of hatred, death, war, and violence. Jiraiya just fucked off for a few years to train up Nagato. Naruto fucked off for a couple years with Jiraiya. Shikamaru's disobeyed orders. Sasuke maimed Naruto, went AWOL, and aligned himself with the guy that killed the 3rd Hokage and raided the village, and wasn't declared a criminal to be killed on sight because reasons. I'm sure there's a lot of other examples I'm not thinking of but they never accurately painted any of the main cast as soldiers that have to follow orders. They're something along the lines of soldiers, citizens, mercenaries, and just regular, every day people.
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>>287501181
Basically this. It's easy to miss because outside of the shitty meta shenanigans you'd think it's just some random retard but it's actually always the same retard making 80% of the braindead posts in these threads.
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>>287501082
Notice how all of those examples, except Jiraiya orphaning rain kids, happened under Tsunade leadership. I would argue Jiraiya got away with abandoning his ear effort due to nepotism. When the White Fang disobeyed orders, he was demoralized into suicide. Danzo would have cracked down on these hooligans.
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>>287501082
Only dead flashback characters are actually allowed to suffer from the supposedly strict ninja world.
Neji can literally reveal state secrets to a whole stadiums filled with foreigner shinobi in the same day the leaf loses half of their army and nearly kill the (former) clan heirness of his supposedly hardcore slaver family and have the clan head bow to him in apology rather than being killed in a dark alley.
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what Tobi/Madara/Obito is doing right now is not much different than Danzo, he manipulates Sasuke into doing all of this and he was there killing the innocent Uchihas and attacking Konoha too. How is Danzo not right about the Uchiha?
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>>287497649
>genjutsu Danzo with the ghost of the glowie that he convinced to kill his family
would be based if Itachi wasn't so eager to do it.
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When did you get it? No, seriously, when did you get it?
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>>287501316
>Only dead flashback characters are actually allowed to suffer from the supposedly strict ninja world.
This is why the first arc set the story up to be so great, then didn't commit. I honestly think there was an enormous turning point by having Naruto not be the one to kill Haku. He was ready to do it. He was teary-eyed, and didn't want to, but he resolved himself to doing it. It would have been a wholly different manga if the main character, who has committed to ending the neverending cycle of violence, was actually forced to do something he wouldn't want to do, you know, like a SOLDIER WOULD, then it would carry so much more weight.
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WHY COULDN'T JIRAYA OR KAKASHI TEACH NARDO ANY OF THIS SHIT?
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>>287497619
What the fuck was Saucegay going to do there if the old man just ripped his throat out?
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>>287500746
>discussing a manga means you have a parasocial relationship with it
Do you really not realize how retarded you sound when you say this? Do you even know what "parasocial" means?
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You sound like a seething samefagging moron btw.
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bros forget this izanagi izanami whatever uchiha bullshit
join us in comfy Boruto TBV chapter 33 thread >>287501380 english translation with high scan quality! This time Jiraiya in a goon cave has groomed a minor to sacrifice his life
Also Sarada, Himawari, Eida SEXO
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>>287501798
>has to wait for their natural predator to go extinct with no given explanation to be able to pose any kind of threat
>2 of their own kill them all in one night
>if not they'd have still lost against the other clans
KWABchiha
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>>287500603
You can stop samefagging bro, this is just embarrassing.
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Why the fuck are you still reading that atrocious "manga".
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>>287497423
My favorite thing about this arc is Danzo pointing out that what Itachi did was nothing special and many such shinobi have made sacrifices for the village. Really puts into perspective that Itachi was a leaf shinobi even to his bitter end
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>has to wait for their natural predator to go extinct with no given explanation to be able to pose any kind of threat
If their "natural predator" dies while they live maybe it's because they weren't good at hunting to begin with. I'd call that a win for the Uchiha. Jobbing to having sex is jobbing, the Senju minus Hashirama are jobbers one way or another.
>2 of their own kill them all in one night
Yeah, two of their own, not Senju.
>if not they'd have still lost against the other clans
You literally don't know that, it's all theories . Also almost all the other clans are even bigger jobbers.
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>The entire village has Senju genes
I can't prove you wrong but it does sound like cope. Everyone non Uchiha in the Village but Naruto and Jiraiya are jobbers so these supposed Senju descendants are useless. Orochimaru is good but he doesn't look like a Senju.
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>>287497571
>Wanting to get revenge on the people who killed your entire family is bad because...uh...it means you're a hypocrite or something
I don't know why people are siding with Danzo here, he's clearly evil.
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>>287502814
it's unironically the easiest plot to steal from GT. some weird dude comes to Konoha and does some ninja Ninjutsu and turns Naruto into his genin form, then he takes all the Tailed Beasts and spreads them to different planets, they use Borutard Ninja tech to build capsules and go and search for the Tailed Beasts to defeat them and they have a time limit or something to gather them and save Earth
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>>287497552
It's such a random lore drop that never gets addressed later on and only because Kishi chose for Sasuke to jump off the bridge. Just let Sasuke dodge normal, don't summon anything and call it a day. Idk it just feels like canon filler to me.
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>>287503028
Actually it gives further characterization to Sasuke, in the sense that he's autistic enough to change his summons to match his little terrorist group namesake.
Though, the snakes probably aren't too happy that he blew up one of their most prominent members.
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>>287497649
I remember when this chapter dropped and people lost their mind.
>IS ITACHI BACK?!?
>DID HE INSTALL A FAIL SAFE INSIDE SASUKE?!?
>DANZO WOULD NEVER FALL FOR A GENJUTSU
and then it turned out it was a lazy cliffhanger which gets "resolved" in a single page next chapter.
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He wouldn't even need to have this summon if he kept the curse mark.
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He doesn't have "revives", he has a period of invincibility. Why does everyone think he's working with 10 lives?
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Not sure, they might start working again because of Hashirama cells just like he could use Shisui's shit multiple times in a short period.
Either way trading 10 random Uchiha eyes to defeat Sasuke and Madara seems like a pretty damn good offer. You'd think Danzo at least has a few more dozens after the slaughter.
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>>287503962
Aren't the eyes closed after each "death"? Plus when Tobi used it it made it seem more like he undid his death from the bombs and his spare sharingan closed.
Izanagi and Izanami make no damn sense anyway
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>>287504077
Kishimoto likes to show one close after a "death" for visuals but that's how this works
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>>287504077
Also the way Danzo gets beat makes no sense either way. If he knows it's time limit based he'd be keeping track of the time he had left. If it's number of eyeballs left open he'd also know how many he has and how many have closed
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>unique and interesting
It really isn't. He doesn't do anything that's actually interesting with the Izanagi. He just gets to look really pathetic because he's getting himself killed by Sasuke over and over again while spamming some really weak and generic attacks at him (ironically the same stuff you said in your post). Imagine how fucked Sasuke would've been if the Raikage or Gaara had 9 extra lives against him.
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>>287504141
To be fair what Danzo checked when he lost was whether or not he still had one left, not how much time left he had. You could see it as Danzo finally getting the mutual strike he was looking for since the beginning.
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This alone makes it a more interesting battle than most
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Also this.
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>Danzo reveals a little scroll in his pocket
>Sai gets summoned to the battlefield
>he has the fake smile on his face, looks at Danzo then he transforms into a Sharingan arm
>he cuts his arm and connects with the new arm full of fresh Sharingan
>then he reveals all ANBUs are Sharingan arms disguised as people
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Maybe if Danzo had shown her had the wits to makeup for his lack of firepower but he really comes off as some mook that was both lucky and ruthless enough to get to where he is.
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He comes across as pretty vicious and efficient, considering he just put Sasuke in checkmate this chapter with the seal he put on his neck. I guarantee most people haven't read that fight in a long while, don't remember it, don't care to remember it, and will just tune up to these threads to call Kishimoto a hack (which he is, sure).
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The anime had some nice camerawork in this moment and in general it was clear that they had the budget to play around with stuff and make it look awesome. Too bad the next episode it was back to lazily copypasting manga panels with little to no animation.
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>>287505782
It works better when you watch it properly. The sound effects are great and the buildup with Karin noticing and then this great fucking track kicks in >>287501856
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>>287497430
nice symbolic roots to hell.
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>>287497488
Danzo is a fucking jobber. He did NOT deserve title of Hokage.
>>287497552
>gets hit by a wind style
>summons a bird
sasuke fell off?
>>287497649
ITACHI BROS.... WE ARE BACK!
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>>287505939
Just Kishi refusing to ever hand his favorite dojutsu the L, as always. If it was a Byakugan user here he'd get shredded without even activating it, can't let the unloved middle child of dojutsus be useful and have it's already limited abilities come in handy.
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