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My stories can speak to readers who feel uncertain about themselves" - #WitchHatAtelier author Kamome Shirahama in a recent interview with UNESCO on her influences, how women play a prominent role in the modern day manga industry, and more.
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>>287526983
No she work for DC and Marvel.
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>>287527347
Wait until you get a load of me.
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>>287527229
I don't know about him, but I think that the lolis are great, and that alone makes it AOTY for me.
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>>287527389
Oh. Boringposter, right? Wasn't he a Solo Leveling shill?
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>>287526960
Saying the series itself is an industry plant is wrong since she didn't even have these views when she started. However she clearly got annoying virtue signaly behavior from Twitter (the Palestine thing is fine, it's the rest that's retarded) and it's clear the UN who went against "problematic" manga in the past see her as a "safe" creator to make use of & say retarded shit like "manga is male-driven"
>>287527369
Yeah western collabs used to be cool, now they're not. Your point?
>>287527267
They have a really bad track record with manga.
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In Jump, WHA would have been axed after 10 weeks.
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>>287527347
Marvel and DC pay great rates to Japs that work with them.
They know there's a lot of prestige in working with manga artists.
Even back in the 60s, this was a thing. Arguably one of the greatest manga artists ever, Ryoichi Ikegami got his start doing a Spiderman Manga.
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Spiderman: Fake Red was one of the best Spiderman stories of the last 20 years.
Now, that isn't a high bar to clear, but the cross-ocean collab was worth it.
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>Like yourself, more and more women have managed to make their mark in this traditionally male-dominated field
She's not created in a lab or whatever and the manga wasn't planned by the UN but you're retarded if you think disingenuous stuff like this (you know very well they're not talking about when most shoujo authors were male eons ago) isn't what they're trying to use to "fix" manga just like they proposed regulations multiple times in the past.
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>>287527423
Don't care not having the un use her to fuck up the manga industry. I'l was about to read the manga to but after seeing this shit hell no.
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>>287527653
She was either intentionally avoiding making a political statement or didn't get what they were trying to lead her to saying, because her reply was pretty good at avoiding any great generalizations other than anonymity allowing for greater artistic freedom and the unstable world creating a lot of people with a lot to say.
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>>287527653
Manga is male dominated but not in the way they say. A while ago there was a big drama when it was revealed most editors are male, even from shoujo magazines, and because it was leaked that a Jump guy said "women editors wouldn't understand men's comics anywy" and he was forced to apologize.
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>>287527707
Shoujo being governed by men is half of why the yaoi industry boomed like it did.
Because they wouldn't let women draw erotic-tinged romances in mainstream heterosexual shojo magazines (much too improper for school girls!!), so the horny broads were all driven to yaoi mags.
Half of it is probably just age. I imagine the average editor trends much older than the average mangaka in a lot of places. And every generation you go back, you have a bigger gender disparity.
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>>287527699
this is way, way worse than shit trends internally within Japan, and rogue localizers overseas
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>>287527667
I do but that's irrelevant; what matters to this board it has absolutely zero impact on manga. If she was pro-Israel I'd think that's stupid but I wouldn't take it as evidence she's being used by pro manga regulation people.
>>287527707
I mean, yeah, given the subject and who they were interviewing it's quite clear what they meant. It's just very stereotypically applying Western complaints about the capeshit industry to a place where it doesn't belong because they want to finger-wag.
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>fantasy europe
>no cat people
Are they serious
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>>287527915
I saw a bunch of retards on Twitter seething about this as well, which prompted me to read the actual article which as I said, is entirely benign. The author says nothing controversial at all in the article and the manga itself seems like just ordinary fantasy stuff. Nothing about this warrants the reaction I've seen nor the labels of wha being some "woke propaganda".
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>>287527229
TDLR she is a pro woke person who was one of the people at the UN that campaigned for content restrictions on manga
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I started watching Witch Hat Atelier and the magic reminded me of this show, how similar are their magic systems?
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>>287528038
>ok so the author acts indiscernibly from really annoying twitter moral watchdogs and openly panders to them and writes scenes attacking "problematic tropes" that twitter gets mad at in her work and is concerned about "sexualization" https://web.archive.org/web/20200811155420/https://twitter.com/shiraha makamome/status/1293031195387650048 and thinks cancel culture doesn't exist https://desuarchive.org/a/thread/23 9671271/#239679788 and was now picked up by a group that tried to get manga censored in the past while using clear dogwhistles for "the industry needs fixing" but trust me, she would never collaborate with people who want to regulate "harmful expression" in manga
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>>287528056
>mangaka can't have opinions about fanservice etc I disagree with!
K. Still not seeing any evidence of her supporting censorship or how wha is supposedly woke propaganda. You just seem like a hysterical retard.
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>>287527921
You know, you gotta be careful what you ask for.
>>287528056
So the author isn't allowed to dislike seeing scantily clad women?
Why do you want to censor her views?
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>>287528155
See, here's the thing, it isn't even that she dislikes women in scanty clothing.
She drew an entire manga where she plays dress up with a pair of super models where one usually has her tits out.
What she complained about was that this was an event with a large child audience that was giving the old perverts in the room eye candy.
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>>287528155
>So the author isn't allowed to dislike seeing scantily clad women?
Where did the author say that? I only see the author (if that's the author's xitter account) about some 3D buttocks (???) at a jump event.
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>>287528155
If this was an author really into American conservatism who associated with the kind of people who think anime is degenerate & causes transgenderism and needs to be censored, added stuff to their manga knowing that crowd would like it, complained about anime asses, then got interviewed by a conservative think tank known for trying to get "degenerate" manga regulated, would all of you be reacting the same way?Because if so, that would be equally retarded
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>>287526960
Manga for me
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>>287528269
>if you think buddying up with people who want to censor manga is lame you must like conservative leaders
>>287528275
Nah, she used to do "funny pervert" jokes.
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>>287528196
I'm just assuming that it was a statue of some ecchi manga chick with an intentionally fat ass. As that sounds like the most likely 'thing'.
I don't know what exactly she saw that annoyed her, and google images results for 2020 Jump Fest aren't all that useful.
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>>287526960
>Like yourself, more and more women have managed to make their mark in this traditionally male-dominated field.
This bothers me to no end. She know this ins't true, she sees female mangakas everyday much older than her. Why didn't she say anything? Is appeasing to westerners that important for WHA success?
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>>287528365
I take it you have no actual proof, or you'd bury me in it right now for doubting your spammed thesis (which you got from being xitter cattle).
I accept your concession.
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>this thread
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>>287528394
I literally did >>287528056
Do you mean the stuff about the UN trying to push for manga regulation? Holy fuck google it, there's a ton of coverage.
Do you mean you don't know about the "deconstructing the funny pervert trope" scene? I thought you read the manga?
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>>287528056
The villains in her manga are literally the Morality Police who mindwipe anyone that breaks the rules.
Do you think this speaks to a person that believes in the goodness of state power?
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>>287528472
I never said she's radical? These are pretty mainstream views.
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>>287528509
Funnily enough, /pol/ types claimed to be against the "morality police" while becoming the morality police themselves so that's not a great argument.
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>>287526960
I fucking hate it when hard working successful people have different opinions than me. Why can't this mangaka understand my broke-ass opinions are superior? Maybe if I spend years of my life complaining about it on a cambodian letter exchange forum she'll get the message.
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>>287527787
>Zionism is so hated now that Zionist agents have to bad-jacket their critics as Zionists
It's so fucking over for you.
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>>287528871
>bunch of schizo delusions
>"he is right"
He's jittering between claiming the manga is an industry plant, the author being anti fanservice or something, the author being woke, or Israel being involved with the publication of the manga.
All with zero proof.
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>>287529036
>the specific post's text.
So what did that post actually say? What is worse? If you remove the pic, there's no context at all.
>"wacky shitposting".
Plausible deniability by the mentally ill. They know they have no proof, so they will claim their infographics are a joke, just to seethe at muh jews in their next post.
If there was proof it'd be a different matter entirely.
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>>287529320
Also you can't really say "oh shut up, Japan isn't your fairy tale land" or whatever in this case. Shirahama is the most overt "westaboo" and it's clear as day America is the reason she knows what a trigger warning is.
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>>287528425
I did a little bit of searching. The first thing I found was the periodic report Japan submits because it ratified some convention on the discrimination of women. This report talks about manga, anime, and video games, but it is something Japan chose to take part in. Not really the west pushing their values on Japan. I mean the us isn’t a party to it. Japan didn’t need to be either. The second thing was something about the censorship of content involving children that manga and anime were excluded from. So not really sure what your are freaking out about
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>Child pornography is defined in article 2 OPSC as ‘any representation of a child engaged in real or simulated explicit sexual activities, regardless of the means used, or any representation of the sexual parts of a child for primarily sexual purposes’. The qualification ‘by whatever means’ reflects the broad range of material available in a variety of media, online and offline. It includes, inter alia: visual material such as photographs, movies, drawings and cartoons; audio representations; any digital media representation; live performances; written materials in print or online; and physical objects such as sculptures, toys, or ornaments.
>The Committee urges States parties to prohibit, by law, child sexual abuse material in any form. The Committee notes that such material is increasingly circulating online, and strongly recommends States parties to ensure that relevant provisions of their Criminal Codes cover all forms of material, including when the acts listed in article 3.1(c) are committed online and including when such material represents realistic representations of non-existing children.
>drawings and cartoons
Also yeah they were excluded because there was pushback.
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Why are there retards defending the mangaka? She's been utterly brainbroken by westoid politics ever since covid. Not to mention about crying about " muh /pol/ " when she herself is literally a politics schizo. The manga isn't even good anymore ever since she criticized the pervert trope or whatever
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>>287529733
Because she makes good stories, retard.
You are more mindbroken here than she is. Expressing some mild and fairly mainstream opinions about certain political topics on a Twitter account and having one chapter where the villains of the story have a bit of sympathy paid to them regarding why they're villains does not a mindbreak make.
Ranting like you do, is what being mindbroken looks like.
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>>287528155
>So the author isn't allowed to dislike seeing scantily clad women?
yup, this is an otaku board if you believe in that sort of shit you should be shat on
>Why do you want to censor her views?
because she's retarded
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>>287529786
I think all the stereotypical Tumblr-brained stuff together is why people say that, anon.
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>>287529844
Yeah, why does it bother you how she inked a background character?
Are you offended on behalf of people with vitiligo? That is unlikely.
For whatever reason this choice of piebald inking bothers you inherently in a way that I don't think you can cleanly justify.
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>>287529879
I'm saying that if it were just one of these things no one would give a shit but it's clearly a mix that makes her "Tumblr-brained", with the UN thing being an important extra element right now
Funny how you ignored the trigger warning >>287529147 since that's the most obvious shit
>>287529808
I gave you proof >>287529677 and you ignored it
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>>287529786
>Because she makes good stories, retard.
*she DID. Like I said, WHA has been gong downhill for a while now
>You are more mindbroken here than she is
Actually no, I don't spend my time on tweeting retweeting /pol/ shit. Her takes are garbage and she contributes to the worsening globalization of manga. Like she's doing an interview with fucking UNESCO where they ran propaganda about the " male dominated manga industry " lmao
>>287529808
I'm not making any statements about WHA being funded by Israel, but it's totally fair to say it's getting pushed like an industry plant with the sort of acolytes behind it
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>>287529922
>I gave you proof
No you didn't. I know that this happened, and I know that the manga industry as a whole prevented it.
How is that proof that the witch hat manga is an industry plant?
What the fuck are you even trying to say?
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>>287529733
/leftypol/ fags have unironically begun migrating here in droves because of the complete dearth of quality western cartoons
though, this manga specifically has always been popular with tumblr because of the whole harry potter thing
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>>287529973
Not really, there's one schizo spammer who's been here shitting up threads since GQux but this sort of popular show that's well animated and is " prestige " will get a couple of retarded defenders here and there.
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>>287529825
I mean for me it's mainly "she's allowed to have these views and I'm allowed to call her lame" but the UN shit definitely complicates things.
>>287529970
>How is that proof that the witch hat manga is an industry plant?
I never said she's an industry plant and in fact said it's wrong to call it one in my very first post. I gave that as proof that someone with lame views is being used by people who tried to push said lame views in the past to get stuff censored.
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>>287529733
>The manga isn't even good anymore ever since she criticized the pervert trope or whatever
yea what a shame since I liked the earlier parts.
art really is a reflection of the creator's SOUL. her soul is tainted now.
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>>287529989
Multiple authors who get into the US comics industry will end up developing these views >>287529825 and this author is definitely one of them.
>>287530025
>overreading metaphors
She'd never make an anti gun control statement and you know it. Maybe she would if she were an oldschool Japanese leftist but she's clearly not!
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>The protagonist is an ordinary girl who does not possess magic, but who longs to become a magic user. Through a certain incident, she encounters a magic user, enters the world of magic, and gradually begins to uncover its secrets.
>This is a story about possibility. Even a child without special inborn abilities can become a magic user. That framework is central to the story, but so is the emotional idea behind it: the possibility that someone who seems ordinary, or who feels excluded from a world of talent, may still find a way into it.
yeah that's a hard pass
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>>287529922
First you'd have to explain to me what makes being 'Tumblrbrained' verboten and what kind of world view do you think is better without just shoving your personal biases in my lap.
I love Dungeon Meshi, and that author ran a Tumblr blog for years, so I'm hardly quaking at the potential that Shirahama has Tumblr-type influence.
So if she has a fascination with depicting people with skin conditions or different sexual orientations, it doesn't mean much to me and doesn't offend me. A trigger warning is tacky, but the chapter's content was good, so it doesn't bother me.
The UN recommending childporn laws that could potentially effect anime and manga doesn't mean much to me because the UN is not an organization that has power to compel action, and it is also a massive umbrella organization that covers a thousand topics.
The people running UNESCO aren't the ones drawing up legal charters. Their reason to exist is for the sake of stirring up attention to the arts.
>https://courier.unesco.org/en/culture
The UNESCO culture magazine is not a haven of propaganda to convince you to censor everything that they hate. The topics and headlines are National Geographic tier.
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>>287529936
The Festival Arc of WHA was overly long and borderline a Namek, but it wrapped up well and the character development for Coco and Qifrey made the experience more than worth it.
One oversized and clumsy arc is not 'going down hill', lol.
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>>287529964
Based and Pravin Lal pilled
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>>287530083
>using a Tumblr is the same as being "Tumblr-brained"
You're being disingenuous as hell because you clearly know what I meant. Kui is not remotely comparable.
>The UNESCO culture magazine is not a haven of propaganda to convince you to censor everything that they hate. The topics and headlines are National Geographic tier.
Damn maybe they shouldn't have been disingenuous dipshits about female authors being a rarity in Japan then, a clear dogwhistle for "the industry needs progressive input to improve".
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Damn you didn't even try to deny it.
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>>287530083
> UN is not an organization that has power to compel action, and it is also a massive umbrella organization that covers a thousand topics.
>>287530087
It took like one google search and there's obviously associated feminist NGOs and such like PAPS
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>>287530204
https://posfie.com/@wvwwwwwwwwwwvw/p/Xciyf0Q
a sex-positive japanese feminist was one of the main people highlighting this controversy by the way so you don't get to scream /pol/
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>>287530204
Those are national organisation's in Japan you fucking retarded histrionic dipshit. They aren't arms of Un. Again, the Un has zero power over what gets censored anywhere, it's a toothless organization that lacks sovereignty over any member nation.
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>>287530199
>kui isn't tumblr brained
>diverse body types
>diverse skin colors
>intentionally unconventually attractive male and female characters
>disabled characters
>mental illness being a major part of several characters' backstories
>subversive and genresavvy writing
>statements made about sex and gender roles
Just because Dungeon Meshi is good, doesn't mean that it isn't a product of the cultural stew of Tumblr.
This is not a bad thing. Good art can come from anywhere and any combination of influences.
So Witch Hat Atelier having similar influences is not a problem for me.
Female authors not being rare and the industry not being male dominated are not the same thing.
You can have many female authors and have an industry that is dominated at the leadership level by men that dictate publishing trends or what is allowed in magazines.
This is a well known phenomena if you are into Shojo or Josei manga, where that type of editorial and executive control heavily shaped the genre up until recently.
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>>287530253
The UN funds and works with those domestic organizations anon. They run puff pieces and lobby governments. This isn't particularly complex or even a conspiracy. UN soft power is very real and increasingly so in a globalized world
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>>287529677
>they were excluded because there was pushback
Cool so people made arguments in favor of not censoring anime and manga and they responded by seemingly accepting those arguments and excluding anime and manga. Sounds good
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>>287530252
https://www.un.org/sustainabledevelopment/sdg-media-compact-members/
>SHOGAKUKAN Inc. Japan
Frieren is also owned by the UN.
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>>287530269
They clearly weren't talking about editors.
>all that shit about Dungeon Meshi
Did you just memory-hole the Kui interview where the interviewer tried to project all the shit you guys view as "woke" onto the manga & make her talk about it and it didn't really work? Like for example
>intentionally unconventually attractive male and female characters
The "sexy fanservice male dwarf that reframes beauty standards" was meant to be silly and inspired by a gross-but-funny old man neighbor she had.
Not to mention there are plenty of overtly liberal & leftists author who don't behave like obnoxious Tumblr children from 2013.
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>>287530319
If there's anything that can be called " woke propaganda " in anime WHA definitely gets the closest when you factor in the authors views lol. There's left-wing mangaka, she's just a particular boring covid reiwa one
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>>287530330
Hey retard did the UN do a feature on Frieren while going on about the "male-driven manga industry"? They actually could have, given the artist is female, but they didn't. Wonder why, almost like open ideology plays a role here.
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>>287530376
Fujio Akatsuka donated to the freaking Japanese Red Army and there's nothing Tumblry about his work; in fact he caused a controversy for "ableism" in his manga. Almost like there's a difference between leftism, even radical forms of it, and being a lame pronouned up smol bean.
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>>287530365
They weren't clearly talking about anything.
Today there is nothing rare about being an actress, but Hollywood is still obviously male dominated at the directorial and production levels and above.
Joking panty shots for Senshi are still political statements about trends in anime sex appeal habits.
To make a joke about those or to set up thirst trap cover pages with him is a statement about sexualization in anime and the joke is that instead of it being a bombshell elf-girl, it is instead a rotund little dwarf man with (for Japan) unconventionally attractive facial features.
When you look in Kui's artbooks, things like Laius's body shape are intentionally not idealized and he instead looks like a football player with a layer of body fat rather than a traditional anime ikemen. This is not accidental, she was obviously making a statement about beauty standards because Kui is more than capable of drawing a traditional ikemen character. The same goes for Marcille's modest looks in comparison to both other elves and the beautiful humans that Kui has drawn.
Dungeon Meshi is obviously heavily influenced by the Tumblr atmosphere Kui was familiar with.
That is not a bad thing, as I said before. I'm not a child that is bothered by acknowledging the cultural context that created works I enjoy. Even if some dickhead on 4chan would call those cringey.
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>>287530496
>Joking panty shots for Senshi are still political statements about trends in anime sex appeal habits.
It's just 40 years old thinking it's funny. Real people don't live thinking /pol/ shit 24/7, it's unsustainable
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>>287530735
It is funny because of the contrast. The contrast against the norm is what makes it funny. Otherwise there wouldn't be a joke. And why she decided to make that joke leads back to a specific source.
The women in Dungeon Meshi are noticeably rarely sexualized unless they're femme fatales.