YYH had a big cast by the tend but like DB it knew when the shed the arc extras. A bulk of character returned for the last tournament but thankfully were just featured and time wasn't wasted giving each and every character a 'moment' like it was MHA

>>287527858
>Dragon Ball knew when to sideline the superfluous characters and kept a core cast of important characters
Yeah, all non Saiyans basically get sidelined whenever anything happens. Good writing.

>>287527951
Naruto did "give every character moment" thing too, it's why the war arc sucks so much

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>>287527858
>the majority of manga did not have a character bloat problem.
The bigger the world mangka tries to create the more characters/people are introduced for it, their lives, their personal stories paint the picture of the world and what's in it instead of telling about the world with text dumps, unfortunately it also adds more complexity and when not done right or when not needed becomes bloat.

>>287527995
Yeah that last arc was bad, but i feel like everything that copied it stuck out as way worse. Terrible framework really.

>>287527969
But this happened constantly in OG dragon ball too. Oolong and Puar were only around when it made sense after the initial arc. Roshi, Launch, and Yamcha became side characters unless a tourney or training arc was happening. Chi Chi and Ox King were random appearances to let the story breath every so often. Even Krillin and Bulma were only around for sections of some arcs, and they were left to the side when their importance was gone. The story was centered firmly on Goku and only brought in characters where it made sense.

>>287527858
>big 3
>... bleach
I keked so hard.

>>287527858
How much of your day would you say spend thinking about media franchises made for 13 year olds?

>>287528722
Who it's made for affects absolutely nothing

>>287528798
Yes it does. Could you answer the question now?

>>287527858
Manga does not have a character bloat problem and one of Dragon Ball's biggest flaws is that no one but Goku matters. Whenever they make a Dragon Ball fighting game, they have to add 12 Gokus and a bunch of filler characters.

The actual problem is the OPPOSITE of what you're saying: why do these worlds have so FEW characters? The longer these series go on, the harder it is to take their worlds seriously because the main characters only ever run into important people and and you see them over and over and over again, even if the story is jumping around the globe, and somehow the world seems to revolve around a couple of 15-year olds. This is fine for 50, 100, maybe 150 chapters, but it eventually gets stupid and you can see through the art and into the artist's mind. You can tell that the only people who matter in this world are the ones on the page - and no one else exists until the author comes up with someone and shows them to you.

Funny enough, Bleach has this problem the least, because every arc introduces a new army for the main characters to encounter and Kubo comes up with a design and name for every character that should realistically exist - even if they don't end up doing anything. That's perfectly fine. Not every character needs a real role. But compare it to JJK, where - somehow - we never, ever see the 4th year students for either school, any of the Kyoto teachers, the 3rd year teacher for Tokyo, any active sorcerers from the Kamo clan besides Noritoshi, or honestly any non-clan adult sorcerers besides the three or four who hang out at the school. And yet, they have about 6 kids enroll in the schools every year. Where the fuck is everyone? In the Goodwill Event, we're told a few sorcerers are killed by Mahito - who were they? I never saw them. Why is Gojo watching over the event but not Kusakabe? Because Gege hadn't created him yet. It's so transparent and makes the world feel tiny, in spite of the text claiming otherwise.

>>287527858
>Dragon Ball knew when to sideline the superfluous characters and kept a core cast of important characters
naruto does this well

>>287527969
the one thing toriyama did that none of his successors got was precisely the fact that the cast constantly changed. every arc introduced at least one new character to the group. first it's bulma, then yamcha, roshi, krillin, tenshinhan, gohan, piccolo, vegeta, future trunks, #18, mr satan, goten and trunks, pan and oob.
even if the last few arcs stick with the saiyans, there's absolutely a rotation of the cast and new characters join the group and have their moments, and most importantly, toriyama actually aged his characters, so you start with goku as a kid and end with goku training with his granddaughter.
nowadays, even a meaningless timeskip gets hyped like a major even when toriyama was like "oh yeah 5 years later here's goku's son i guess". not one of the mangaka inspired by toriyama do that and i doubt editors would allow it anyway.
the difference is that toriyama introduced the cast over time instead of "here's the initial group of 20, only 5 will matter btw, also here's the new group of 10, only 2 are relevant"
>>287528193
people call it "the last arc" like it's not 1/3 of the entire series

>>287528980
Constantly introducing new characters that do nothing at the expense of existing characters is Bleach's biggest problem.

>>287528980
Kubo creates characters not to fill out the world but because creating new characters is his way of overcoming writer's block. He's said this himself.

He's not a very good writer, so when he gets stuck on where to take the story, his solution is to come up with new characters

>>287529137
Dragon Ball had several timeskips, not just one. And even then, Toriyama had to fight with his editor to be allowed to let Goku become an adult.

>>287529030
Except Naruto's supporting cast never does anything all.

"Sidelined" implied they were important when they were introduced, but shove to the sides once they fulfilled their purpose. In new shonen, most characters serve no purpose in the first place.