Volume 56
Team Asuma, Reunited
Chapter 529: Golden Bonds
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The most broken, overlooked and underutilized jutsu in the series
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Orochimaru gave him a quick kiss on the neck and it resulted in a huge power boost, Kakashi just wasn't cutting it compared to the snake
Itachi beating the shit out of him / Naruto winning their Rasengan vs Chidori rooftop clash also made him desperate for only the best training
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Like honestly what is the fucking point of this fight? They overhype them and their tools that don't end up mattering in the long run at all, then they introduce the Ninetails bullshit and resolve the whole thing in one chapter with the need to come up with some convoluted teleport jutsu that doesn't get used ever again because it would be too convenient.
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Even with all the garbage chapters we had so far this has to be the most WTF one. Like the opponent just stands there, there's tons of exposition and then he just gets oneshot by a tool with a ability to oneshot, which is the exact same as the super convoluted combo of the other 3 tools combined. Like this tool alone should make Kumo the most powerful village. And Kishi adds all this retarded convoluted shit with teleporting objects suddenly being a thing and inoshikacho fighting for some reason, but the tool itself it just the most boring one-note oneshot with no elaboration.
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Sooo... I started Naruto around two years ago, mostly following the manga and occasionally changing to the anime or Rebuild of Naruto when a cool fight or moment seemed to go to happen (the end of the Zabuza arc, some fights in the Chunin exams, Naruto vs Sasuke, etc.)
But around the start of the Ninja War it started to drag, even with Rebuild of Naruto everything was kind of boring. So yeah, I stopped at around 527, I'll be continuing alongside the daily now. Hopefully reading only one chapter doesn't burn me out as much as it did before.
Also, any specially good episodes of the anime to watch before reading the chapter it is adapting?
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so naruto and bee has to train and train to go kyubii mode but this random jobber just can?
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Guess the siblings had another shred of relevance in making Naruto realize something weird was going on. I wonder if he would have stayed 3 days inside training if Kinkaku hadn't transformed though.
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Thank you for the dump.
There was a lot of nitpicking in these chapters but it's true they were pretty dumb, especially once again pretending it was some clever plan what allowed them to win, rather than simply hitting him with the "I win" jutsu.
Effectively Ino should have fought for a bit in his body.
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>More InoShikaCho wank
FUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOUUUUUUUUU
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Arigatou, OP!
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>here we have a capture jar that works by response and my personal teleporting secretary
>wow raikage, with these two assets, i we prioritize finding kabuto and madara, we could end the whole war!
>nah wer'e using it to save my shitty pick for field commander in the least critical front
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No, they're right. This is genuine trash. The series never had powers or fights be this cartoonish and goofy, where someone loses just because they said their favorite word too much. Also, like the other anon said, the fact the characters are constantly going "THIS IS WAR" further adds to how unfitting this silliness is.
Idk how you can defend this, geniunely.
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>inside
no indication it can actually go inside things, the teleportation beam came from the sky
her skill would be more useful for bombing enemy buildings, but the akatsuki hideout wasn't discovered until recently and all the zetsu are coming from underground
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>so naruto and bee has to train and train to go kyubii mode but this random jobber just can?
it's easier when you don't have the real Kyuubi inside you fighting with you. the tradeoff is that those two guys spent 2 weeks inside the Kyuubi and had to eat it from within just to survive, a way more intense training than Naruto and Bee did.
>But that's total bullshit!
lol of course it is
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1. Facts.
2. This is their last showing so they have to go somewhere. Not impressed is only temporary for truly pathetic characters like Sakura and Konan (initially)
3. I placed them as a duo sort of like Pain is 6 people actually. Individually they would be lower.
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Here is the actual tier list up to the current chapter of Boruto.
Didn't bother with Jura and the others as they are all just hax ten-tail jinchuriki and scale roughly to the 10 tails.
Peak Boruto isn't even close to Gokage level and really can only stand with Uzuhiko. Boruto-Momoshiki unleashed hasn't really been seen so we can't tell how strong he is yet.
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>>288585046
Mind transfer is busted whenever Kishi decides the enemy can't just resist or break it
Forced inoshikacho is lame though. We get the lame fight using these convoluted tools AND inoshikacho shit - double whammy
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yeah but we also don't know how exactly targeting works and how precise it is
she's in a room with a ton of the best sensory ninja this time, it might be less accurate outside of these extraordinary circumstances
the lightning's impact was also not that big; it's better to just teleport paper bombs
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Its facts when we scale to pre-chakra fruit Kaguya.
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Edo Itachi with infinite chakra and regeneration is the same level as Sasuke when they fight Kabuto and Sasuke doesn't get any more training or modifications from there, so he scales to him.
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wrong, pic related. He explicitly says that Madara is nearing his level of chakra, and he is SEEKING to get to his mothers. That is why he immediately talks about the infinite tsukuyomi and the chakra fruit. If Madara kept going and ate a chakra fruit, he could beyond Hagaromo who has never eaten one and get closer to Kaguya's level.
Get better reading skills.
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Wait I thought they were in the headquarters? Or are the headquarters located in the Thunder village since that jar is conveniently there too?So when the 10-tails nukes the headquarters later, it actually nuked their village?
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Could they teleport a bomb into another village and blow it the fuck up?
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>Isshiki
Isshiki jobbed to pre-chakra fruit kaguya when she was only boosted by love she had for tenji (and by extension humanity).
>Still have six paths chakra
Yes that is why they are stronger than their peak of the war arc, but well below the level they were when they had Hagaromo's chakra. Hagaromo explicitly states that all of his chakra is in naruto and sasuke while they are in another dimension, so he can't bring them back. Then once they seal kaguya, he immediately gets his chakra back and does so, meaning his massive chakra is no longer split between sasuke and naruto.
They gain six paths POWERS (Rinnegan / Six paths sage mode) but they don't retain Hagaromo's chakra.
Naruto and Sasuke are nothing compared to their power when they had all of Hagaromo's power inside them when they fought Madara and Kaguya.
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what is insane is they are jinchuriki technically, so the 9 tails spirit should be able to break them out independantly, but even in Bee's case that takes a second or 2. Ino pulling this off in that small window makes sense.
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>Isshiki jobbed to pre-chakra fruit kaguya when she was only boosted by love she had for tenji (and by extension humanity).
Yeah, because he was caught by surprise and Kaguya has the all killing ash bones, which are one-hit kills.
I don't think this puts pre-ascension Kaguya above Isshiki, considering their portrayal.
>Yes that is why they are stronger than their peak of the war arc, but well below the level they were when they had Hagaromo's chakra. Hagaromo explicitly states that all of his chakra is in naruto and sasuke while they are in another dimension, so he can't bring them back. Then once they seal kaguya, he immediately gets his chakra back and does so,
I'm pretty sure he used the chakra of the gokage rather than his own.
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Mind control isn't Genjutsu, but on the other hand schizophrenia was able to break it.
Also they wouldn't be helped by the will of the fox.
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>ancient ninja demon with infinite chakra
>guy who's really fat
This is a 3-7 matchup but you might be surprised to find out which way.
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>We literally saw two legendary shinobi responsible for killing Tobirama die like retards to a couple of chunin and a jonin as well as showing visually less impressive feats than the sound 4, but muh Kaguya's feat must be taken literally.
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They banned his N-word. There was nothing he could have done. Bad match up for the water Hokage
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>Ash-killing Bone
No proof that she had this pre-chakra fruit. And even if she did, it would have killed Isshiki, not just maimed him. The burning ash spread until the being is dust. Isshiki clearly is bleeding out from having his limbs ripped off physically, not ash boned. Also he was maimed so badly he didn't even have enough chakra to regenerate, much less plant a kama
He was soundly defeated by someone he underestimated (pre-chakra fruit Kaguya got stronger with love and connection, the same way Ashura did). Any way you cut it, Kaguya even in the best case scenario is miniscule relative to her power when she ate the chakra fruit and then subsequently absorbed MORE chakra from most of the worlds population in the infinite tsukuyomi.
>Pretty sure he used the chakra of the gokage
That was a feat done by his massive chakra, he literally say it himself. He is able to pull people from the pure lands with his massive chakra pool. A pool that he put completely in naruto and sasuke, and then subsequently took back.
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Granted the speed, durability, and regeneration of an otsutsuki, it is quite a feat to quickly and powerfully rip someone like Isshiki in 2. Much less do so to the point where he lost all his chakra and was bleeding out. Reminder that Baryon Mode Naruto struck Isshiki who is inhabiting a slowing corroding Jigen's body over 100 times with unblocked strikes and he didn't do more than bruise him. Meanwhile Kaguya bisected him in his true form like NOTHING.
Kaguya had to be moving at INSANE speeds to get the drop on someone with a byakugan.
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They didn't, they merely "messed him up", when the Kinkaku and Ginkaku squads defeated him they were already missing nin theoretically, as they attacked Tobirama when they were treating for peace.
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>like the character names meaning something
Nah. Most of the "puns" for the Cloud ninjas really are lazy (literally A, B, C, cold, hot).it's not even trying to be clever like with the Saiyan names or something.
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I complained previous chapters but I mean this is fine how do you expect them to escape?
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Why didn't they use this dumb minigame shit against Madara?
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One byakugan is still all seeing within its radius as we see with Ao. And otsutsuki byakugan have global range. How can you explain the speed and power of pre-chakra fruit kaguya doing the immense, chakra draining, mind-bending speed of her attack to be able to do what she did when her opponent has eyes that can see everything in the world?
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Baryon Mode is just 8th gate for a Biju, nothing more. Hence why it gets Naruto up to Might Guy level.
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Narutobros...... did we really peak in high school?
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>One byakugan is still all seeing within its radius as we see with Ao.
What? When was that? That's dumb.
>And otsutsuki byakugan have global range
I don't think that was ever stated or shown.
>How can you explain the speed and power of pre-chakra fruit kaguya
You should ask Kodachi that honestly.
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Usually ninja from older generations are cracked.
Look at Onoki, Madara, Hashirama, former Kage.
"Sung as two rays of light among the clouds"
Sounds interesting, but they feel so cobbled together just to lose. They felt more like villains on a side mission of part 1. Zabuza and Haku of sorts, but less interesting.
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>One byakugan see
>Global Range
In Jin No Sho guidebook, on the otsutsuki page explaining kaguya's powers.
>Kodachi
He never refutes the timeline that Kaguya had not eaten the chakra fruit yet and was thus much weaker. And the implication is that the half of Isshiki she ripped off she fed to the 10-tails they brought to earth. Because Isshiki explicitly stated that it hadn't had a sacrifice yet and neither of them had implanted kama, so the only way for the 10 tails to have made a chakra fruit was to have a sacrifice.
This is actually an even greater feat for Kaguya and more importantly Love. she only gave the 10 tails HALF of an otsutsuki and still got insane powers.
however Momoshiki implies that Earth is the most potent planet for chakra fruit relative to all the fruit he has eaten for whatever reason.
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Replacement...
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Impressive showing by Tenten this chapter.
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Literally canon word of the author. But if you don't trust that, Hagaromo literally states that the range of the populace that is caught in the infinite tsukuyomi is based on the byakugan's range.
This is why Kaguya turned the entire country of ancestors into white zetsu, but there were still humans after that.
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We know Neji's mastered byakugan is 800 meters just as a baseline. Jin no Sho says she can see the whole globe, and hagaromo implies her range is probably continental at the least but not completely global as not all humans became white zetsu.
This is the same quality of byakugan that Isshiki has. So the idea of her being able to sneak attack him is absurd, he just underestimated her for being lower branch and didn't think she could be that strong, but she was because of love.
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WHO UH YOU, YOUR FLAT SUCKUH
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I feel like people don't talk enough about how stupid it was that Konan got killed off so brazenly.
Like, she made friends with Naruto at the end of the Pain arc. She could've told him about the real Akatsuki leader and his powers (especially since she apparently "studied" him). She could've given Naruto the rinnegan, since it would probably be safer to be protected by Konoha rather than just her and her bumblefuck village. She could've made Ame side with Konoha to gain some redemption after she took part in its destruction. She could've done so many useful things, but she just gets killed off by O MY RUBBER IZANAGI and then Naruto doesn't think of her ever again.
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I've said it many times. She should have been by Naruto's side from the Pain arc onwards, to watch over him and protect him. He's the boy, Nagato entrusted the future to. Have Naruto struggle with defending an ex enemy from the Akatsuki now being on their side.
She and Tsunade could have bonded over Jiraiya.
And if she has to die, she can replace Neji in the war arc. Gets killed by Obito but much later, by saving Naruto.
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>has an angel motif
>watches over the mc
Could've been kino.
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She was a female character in a Kishimoto manga, she never stood a chance. Naruto has to have the worst handling of female characters of any major shounen jump property, even the various damsels of Hokuto No Ken are somehow treated with more dignity than Naruto's supposedly strong female ninja. I guess its because the women in HnK are never presented as being stronger than foder tier, while Kishimoto constantly introduces jounin level female ninja only for them to do nothing.
Konan is an Akatsuki member and student of Jiraiya, pulls off one impressive move before getting plot no jutsu'ed, her death is essentially just a bit of narrative housekeeping done by Kishimoto to tie up the Akatsuki before the war arc.
Tsunade is a student of the Third Hokage, member of the first and second Hokage's clan, part of the legendary sannin, becomes hokage. Her powers consist of punch hard and super healing, doesnt get a single meaningful win in the entire manga.
Sakura is part of the main trio, completely useless in part 1, becomes bootleg Tsunade in part 2, gets retarded IM STRONK 2 moment in the end against Kaguya because Kishimoto randomly remembered her existence. Plotwise only exists to suck Sasuke's metaphorical cock
Hinata is the magical Byakugan princess with muh 10km eyesight (this might be me hallucinating, I vaguely remember the databooks making this claim), never progresses past Chunnin exams Neji tier.
Kurenai is just a big joke depsite being billed as the number one Genjutsu expert in Konoha (though non eyehacks genjutsu is a meme in general)
In general the female characters of Naruto are only remembered because they are hot.
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>Literally canon word of the author
Databooks and guidebooks aren't canon, we've been over this.
>Hagaromo literally states that the range of the populace that is caught in the infinite tsukuyomi is based on the byakugan's range.
The panel you posted doesn't anything about her vision or if the byakugan had anything to do with how IT worked.
>This is the same quality of byakugan that Isshiki has
Absolutely nowhere in Boruto says anything about Isshiki's byakugan.
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>No proof that she had this pre-chakra fruit. And even if she did, it would have killed Isshiki, not just maimed him. The burning ash spread until the being is dust. Isshiki clearly is bleeding out from having his limbs ripped off physically, not ash boned
I always guessed he just cut off the parts damaged.
Also absorbing the world's chakra was only recovering her former power.
I agree Kaguya is a beast, but I doubt in a straightforward fight she would have won.
>That was a feat done by his massive chakra, he literally say it himself. He is able to pull people from the pure lands with his massive chakra pool. A pool that he put completely in naruto and sasuke, and then subsequently took back.
I'm pretty sure he explicitely asked the gokage for help as he couldn't do that.
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I agree on them being lazy, but they're pretty irrelevant IMHO.
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I think Kishi wanted to make him sound cool for having stopped many opponents while saving his squad.
The problem is that in shonen mooks aren't credibly strong enough to overwhelm strong people.
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>this might be me hallucinating, I vaguely remember the databooks making this claim
It's from the manga actually.
>never progresses past Chunnin exams Neji tier.
To be fair, neither did Neji lol.
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>now
sai is that you
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This makes me sad at how much potential was wasted because it sounds great
It almost (almost) makes me want to revert to reading fanfiction
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any actual good fanfiction? the only good ones i ever read were short and only focused on small moments. anything requiring big story rewrites goes off the rails or has bad dialogue.
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It's been a long time since I read any but I seem to remember a lot of fics being low quality either in story, characters, or just the general writing ability of the author. Not all of them, but a lot of them.
Maybe I just had shit taste in choosing which ones to read.
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I don't really know a lot, but what are you looking for?
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Yeah, most of them are not gonna be that great of course. Afterall they're written by amateurs that are in some sense fans of Naruto.
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This fight was somehow even worse than I remembered. Like, I get that it's shounen made for young boys, but this was genuinely juvenile in a way that made me embarrassed to be reading it.
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>she never stood a chance
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>looking for?
idk. i'd entertain the idea of any good naruto fanfiction. the only ones i liked that i read were the one where temari and kankuro introduce gaara to television and one where they try to get used to gaara after he apologizes (there might've been 2 covering this idea).
i'm mainly curious if anyone has ever actually read good naruto fanfiction, and if so, what was it? can bigger ideas even be well written in naruto fanfiction? can any fanfic writers pull off big rewrites or a long story format? as much as i hate part 2, kishimoto is still a better writer than most fanfic writers.
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Neji, calm down and take the solider pills.
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>>288589728
Yeah, I'm not sure there's a good large scale rewrite that's also finished. I read one that was kinda interesting and by a good writer, but it's one of their early works, so it's still pretty rough in some places.
I'm working on one myself but I honestly doubt I'll finish it and I'm not a good writer either (and it doesn't actually focus on Naruto as character).
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It does make sense in a shonen sort of way. I guess maybe they should've gotten stronger by eating kuramas flesh but not necessarily get KCM. Maybe just 1-3 tails where the user is still in some control
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I had dabbled with writing some fanfiction last year, wrote about 200k words over a three month period, though a lot of that ended up being discarded since I'd constantly rewrite stuff (I like to hit the ground running and write down any interesting concept/scene that comes to mind, then try to connect them all in a cohesive way). My main issue with writing fanfiction is the need to stay faithful to the original authors vision for each character, especially since most characters in Naruto are defined by spamming a catchphrase (mendokusai). Because of this I like to do fics with major changes to the setting, to then be able to justify deviation from a characters established self.
One fic effectively discarded half the established setting, and would take too much time to explain, essentially just kept the characters and general layout of the setting. Got more than 100k words in it
Another fic was based on the illusory world of the road to ninja movie, but playing on the theme of major personality traits being reversed, Minato and Kushina would end up being cowards (or at least branded so for defying orders) that would then be executed. Menma would grow to hate his parents, and strive to become the strongest so as to wash away the shame, only to end up also defying orders for the sake of love (kinda wishy-washy). This one ended up having 80k words.
In the end I never published either though, partly because i left them unfinished, partly because the various fanfiction sites are filled with complete faggots and i dont want to deal with them. I will say that coming up with character interactions/dialogue/fights/comedic scenes etc was very fun, but it also reminded me that it would be much better if i could just draw manga. Unfortunately im a /beg/
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I wanted to mention this last thread but I think the word gourd would've been better if it just seals based on the last element used. And it cycles through so if it just sealed a person who just used water then next it has to seal say earth and in a 1v1 it might seem retarded but in a war it could actually be of some use.
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>>288589990
what's the good-ish one you read? also, post yours somewhere when done. it's just fanfiction. it's for fun. it can't be worse than most, and if it is, who cares? you gotta write dumb shit and get feedback to get better anyway.
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Hamura was dead.
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you isn't real. If the moon isn't real they would have no tides.
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>>288590370
being able to box with a second stage jinchuriki immediately puts him at Kage level. a little silly for a guy who is just the head of a random clan that isn't even one of the top clans of the village.
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>>288589990
There was a fic I found last year called Freshly Cut Grass, Naruto is a bit of a shit (imagine part 1 Naruto's abrasiveness combined with early Gaara's unhinged nature), gets forced by the village into a political marriage with Temari as a way to ensure Suna would be loyal to Konoha, and also as a way to put Naruto on a leash. Overall I really liked how the relationship between Naruto and Temari developed, unfortunately its been on hiatus since December of 2024, reached up to the timeskip. I'd say its worth the read, but i doubt it'll ever be finished
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>>288589600
tbf, especially back then, 99.9% of fanfics were made by literal middle/high schoolers during their free time.
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>>288590265
>write down any interesting concept/scene that comes to mind, then try to connect them all in a cohesive way).
i kinda do that too. i have a scratch pad where i write down things i think would be interesting then branch out from there. some things are based on what i think would have been interesting to see in shows/movies/games/books/comics i watched/read/played but said media just never touched on the ideas in the ways i would've liked. so it's like i have some fanfiction ideas but i turn them into my own thing and make it more original instead of just straight up copying or writing fanfiction. i'd rather write my own shit over fanfiction too.
some of my ideas are inspired by things naruto didn't explore in the way i would've personally liked. same goes for other media not exploring things to my liking, so i just write things i would've liked to see but while making it my own.
i'm pretty bad at writing dialogue though lmao.
but i have a lot of concepts thought out that i like and i would like to bring my visions to life and put these things out into the world.
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>what's the good-ish one you read?
https://archiveofourown.org/works/57168484/chapters/145407757
It's jinchuriki focused and introduces a bit more gritty themes, like villages scheming against eachother instead of everyone being a goody twoshoes and I remember there being stuff like artillery in the war.
>also, post yours somewhere when done
Even if I do finish it, it's gonna take forever. I wrote a short one that's finished, but it's focused on Yugito and probably not that good.Also I advertised it here before so maybe you already saw it.
https://archiveofourown.org/works/76615211/chapters/200520356
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>>288587999
>however Momoshiki implies that Earth is the most potent planet for chakra fruit relative to all the fruit he has eaten for whatever reason.
Growing the chakra fruit is supposed to kill the planet but that didn't happen obviously. So maybe Earth has way more life energy.
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>>288588116
How Jin no Sho not canon when kishi literally said it is and the pretext of all the databooks is to explain what is in the manga one-to-one in greater detail?
>The panel you posted doesn't anything about her vision
Its literally Hagaromo explaining how the infinite tsukuyomi works, its requires the sharingan AND the Byakugan. Kaguya literally manipulates Madara into absorbing the tree and casting the infinite tsukuyomi, but it is KAGUYA who actually casts it, not Madara.
This is made clear in every single panel that Kaguya is secretly doing it from within madara, as it requires her byakugan to cast (Madara didn't know this because he read the edited stone tablet by Kaguya's will, Black Zetsu.)
>absolutely nowhere in Boruto says anything about Isshiki's byakugan.
Its an otsutsuki byakugan, it can't be worse than Neji's which is 800 meters, and Kaguyas that stretches across an entire country when using it in the infinite tsukuyomi.
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>I always guessed he just cut off the parts damaged.
So you're implying that Kagura somehow was able to get off THREE ash bones on Isshiki? Think about that. This is Kaguya's SLOWEST technique. He literally has to slowly slide her bones out of her hands, we see it in every usage she does of it, especially in the gravity dimension. How could she speed blitz someone who is supposed to be stronger than Kaguya AFTER the the chakra fruit? Honestly think about it.
>I don't think that was ever stated or shown.
It is stated to be global in Jin no Sho, and is more directly implied to be at least continental by the manga and the anime with her making the entire country of ancestors into white zetsu.
>Also absorbing the world's chakra was only recovering her former power.
Wrong, she was only as strong as ~80% of Hagaromo's full power as a ten tails jinchuriki, as she was missing half of the nine tails, most of the eight tails, and an unknown amount from all of the tailed beasts inside naruto.
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A lot of fanfics focus on things that don't make a shonen a shonen.
If it was up to me, I'd focus on clan politics and how a village balances a variety of clans and non clan entities. Clan politics are one of the most overlooked things in this series.
Aside from that I'd also have the jinchuriki treated like actual WMDs. So most of the 9 jinchuriki would be hidden kind of like how Isayama had the Warhammer titan hidden. If not hidden for some villages then elevated to a ceremonial status.
JJK kinda did the clan thing well but it was hindered down due to being in the modern era. Also there were only like two clans that mattered.
I'd also repair the atrocious timeline in Naruto
1st Shinobi world war happens because everyone seethes at the leaf supremacy that Hashirama started by being strong enough to capture all the beasts and be known as the god of Shinobi. Once he dies, the other villages get uppity
That's for sure how I'd start the first war. The second war idk but I'd have it happen when Jiraiya was a teenager like Nart
Then third world war would just be the same like in the OG series. So basically 1st war is hiruzens generation, then second is Jiraiyas then third is minatos.
Also I'd have the tailed beasts slowly become combat ready every war. Just the other day I thought, what if there was a tailed beast that launched bijuu bombs but from the sky? Like I mean come on Kishi, you could've done what Isayama did but with a much more forgiving and simple setting. More freedom man!
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>>288589249
>I agree Kaguya is a beast, but I doubt in a straightforward fight she would have won.
She had to be stronger than Baryon Mode to do the unregeneratable damage and absolute chakra drain that she did to Isshiki. Baryon Mode hits Isshiki with over 100 unblocked strikes and does bruises. Pre-Chakra Fruit Love-boosted Kaguya ripped Isshiki into pieces instantly.
>I'm pretty sure he explicitly asked the gokage for help as he couldn't do that.
He literally says HE summoned all the Gokage from the Afterlife (huge feat) and then he used them to pull everyone over (summoning tailed beasts and team nine without a contract through raw chakra technique only Hagaromo knows and use).
Kakashi even confirms this is a feat only Hagaromo could do. And why didn't he do this before?
BECAUSE NARUTO AND SASUKE HAD ALL OF HIS CHAKRA AS HE CLEARLY STATES.
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I think Kaguya ate the fruit. That's how she ended up beating Isshiki. Because she was in charge of cultivating it but ended up eating it instead. Even if she was lower rank, she ended up climbing to a higher rank.
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>>288590891
You kinda have to do a complete rewrite to fix the story. Like even the existence of Sasuke makes no sense, why would people exterminate the Uchiha, but be fine with one prodigial kid that's obsessed with revenge staying alive?
Recently I tried looking into the third ninja war to adapt for my story and I found out Kishi imagined it just as a complete free for all with all villages mindlessly fighting all other villages,, including Ishi and Kumo fighting each other despite having no shared border and both fighting Konoha at the same time.
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>>288590692
>it's jinchuriki focused
i'll check it out.
>even if i finish it, it'll take forever.
still post it when done.
>wrote a short one.
i didn't see it before. it's pretty decent actually. i think the overall writing and dialogue is pretty good.
would the raikage really be so course with yugito over fighting the akatsuki though?
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>>288590891
There's a tag dedicated to this called "fix-it" and they are typically very shit, though popular. Think stuff like Minato magically coming back to life, then dunking on Hiruzen for being stupid, beating up the Akatsuki overnight, talk no jutsuing Pain and Obito etc etc. Other's I've seen have Kakashi, Sasuke, Sakura, Naruto, any random background character, from post series end get put back into their infant body, or into their start of part one body and then use their knowledge to try and "fix it". In general i just find these stories to be completely pointless, they arent exploring the setting or characters any further, they arent doing anything new or interesting; They are just removing whatever little stakes the original story actually had.
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Rewatching this anime always feels weird bc wdym they simply can make a character worse just because they don't like the character? Wdym the studio is allowed to do that? Is this how bleach fans felt like when they butched Orihime in the anime?
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>>288590986
>would the raikage really be so course with yugito over fighting the akatsuki though?
I took what happened to her in canon and how we never see any attempt at saving her and turned it into the premise that she's treated as expendable, even though she is capable and loyal.
A seems like the type who'd react badly to being questioned and he has to enforce his authority in front of others.
Did you read all five chapters or only the first?
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>>288584908
It's kinda fucked that Kisho wasted 6 of the 9 jinchuuriki and then he brought this on the table.
Hell, even putting that aside, the jinchuuriki are back for the war, if these losers can do it, so should they, and not feel like fanfic.
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>>288590471
Yeah he just rolls up from the pure lands.
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>>288591120
just the first chapter.
i just remember some kumo shinobi being distraught over her death. but it was after her death and not sure the raikage showed remorse about her specifically. i just assumed their jinchuriki were overall pretty respected in kumo.
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>>288591210
>i just remember some kumo shinobi being distraught over her death
There were a few mentions of it, but nothing emotional. Samui mentioned they can't make the same mistakes with B they made with her (presumably that mistake was doing nothing, since they didn't even find Hidan and Kakuzu who made no attempt at being subtle). And some guy noticed team taka being from the same team as the ones that took her. But like even when Bee sees her corpse being piloted by Tobi his main agitation is from looking at her boobs.
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>>288591090
orihime was butchered? i'm not super well versed on the little changes the bleach anime made. i know about the filler arcs basically.
>>288591258
>There were a few mentions of it, but nothing emotional.
>But like even when Bee sees her corpse being piloted by Tobi his main agitation is from looking at her boobs.
yeah... okay.
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>>288585058
Based Ino and Choji contributing, would've been nice if they did this during the Zombie Duo arc and didn't have to be around in this retarded fight.
>oh man what do we do he's unbeatable(citation needed)
>don't worry shinobi forces, we'll doordash the FIFTH shinobi treasure never mentioned before this volume to your location
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>>288590743
nta but
>Its literally Hagaromo explaining how the infinite tsukuyomi works, its requires the sharingan AND the Byakugan.
Says absolutely nothing about how it's used.
Yes, she has the powers of both eyes. She used her eye powers to cast the jutsu.
Not a single word about how they're used for the jutsu is said.
It's like the Sharingan. Copying tech? You use your eyes to see it, makes sense. Tsukuyomi and other genjutsu? You look the target in the eyes. Amaterasu? You look at what you set on fire. Fair enough.
Itachi's genjutsu vs. Orochimaru? Through his finger. That has nothing to do with the eye. Susano'o? It's a chakra mech, fuck off.
So while HAVING the powers of the eyes is necessary, there no reason to assume that you need any of their sensible abilities for it.
Not gonna get mixed in the databook (though they're generally not written by the author and are unreliable at best) talk, especially if Kishi said so, but the manga itself is what it is here.
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>>288590946
I don't really see how Sasuke living is an issue. He kills Itachi and becomes the hero. "People" are fine with the extermination of a clan in the sense a small few of elite old people. I always find it strange how people intensely dislike the Uchiha genocide when while it was handled poorly the premise made sense.
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there's a small broken piano or piano adjacent instrument in gaara's childhood room so he has at least some familiarity with it and can possibly play the piano. it's also just a generic instrument that rich families force their kids to play. strict household type thing. rasa had high expectations for gaara so it fits.
it being broken means gaara probably got frustrated with it though so maybe he can't play it after all...
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>>288591179
Yeah at least it made sense in the case of hagaromon because Madara had essentially ressurected his body in the form of the six paths ten tails jinchiriki, so his soul had a conduit to come back to the real world.
Hamura just shows up for no reason and gives Hinata six paths gentle fist.
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>>288591653
There was no retcon, who was supposed to show this supposed racism? Also consider that an overnight genocide greatly changes the perception of people. Look at the holocaust and the books and movies and sympathies worldwide. Even ignoring neo Nazis and /pol/, public perception on Jews have greatly changed in America due to recent events (mind you this issue has been happening for decades but only in recent years has it become something where people put the Palestinian flag in their bio or yard)
Heck you could reverse this and look and German opinion on Jews before the holocaust and after the holocaust.
When Sasuke was in the chunin exams, there were no characters that could show any racism because they were all jonin who didn't have such characterizations or foreigners. There were his peers sure, but they wouldn't really have any social opinions on Uchiha. Their parents might but not them.
IMO the Uchiha plot makes infinitely more sense than Narutos sad backstory and somehow an entire village knowing he is a wmd and him being mistreated for it.
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>>288591797
Well they expected him to be a good goyim and nobody really knew how much of a revenge boner he had. He almost committed suicide mind you. How was he even going to find out about the truth? Danzo rightfully assumes Itachi told him because obitos existence is far too convenient.
Also Mr prodigy would have been raped by the prodigy of the side branch and by the son of the Kazekage.
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If only kishi knew how to write romance
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>>288591659
I do think that stories that stem from what ifs can be interesting, though I haven't read any for Sasuke dying to Haku. A few weeks ago I was perusing AO3 and stumbled on one which had Naruto suddenly becoming unable to even form a shadow clone before the chunnin exams, thus being kept out of them which led to Sasuke dieing. Then on the second chapter Naruto ends up turning into some weird tranny body snatcher that is described as looking like Tayuya, throws in random curse words every sentence (so adult!!!), goes drinking at some crummy bar just to get wasted ("gimme the cheap stuff, i just wanna get drunk" was said every time the fag would go to the bar, how captivating) and there would be constant rants about how stupid Naruto was and how this weird tranny freak was REAL (the author lacking any form of self awareness). After that i skimmed through the rest of the chapters, tranny!Naruto ended up becoming the Jonin sensei for Konohamaru and Hanabi, they went on some missions, endless trips back to that shitty bar. Anyways, after checking the authors page and he had 10 or so works, each in a different fandom, which involved the protagonist of that work becoming a tranny. Was really shitty, and not even in an amusing way, just sad.
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>>288586347
>creates hinata as a supposed main love interest
>completely ignores her 99 percent of the time
>in that 1 percent shows her to be weak, useless and whatnot
>the mc whos supposed to end up with her completely ignores her existence even after she confesses and nearly dies for him
Is Kishi retarded?
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>>288590743
>Its literally Hagaromo explaining how the infinite tsukuyomi works, its requires the sharingan AND the Byakugan.
Ocular powers doesn't necessarily means it's from both eyes, unless the japanese raw specifically says doujutsus in Plural.
>Its an otsutsuki byakugan, it can't be worse than Neji's which is 800 meters
And that doesn't mean it would have global range.
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>>288591929
missing the shoujo bokeh
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>>288591776
you do have a point about the uchiha. but i guess i find it hard to believe the uchiha were such a hated group when no one is shown to hate sasuke until the itachi plot twist happens and reveals the uchiha were hated and danzo especially had it out for them.
irl, despite the holocaust, there's a very vocal crowd that still hates jews.
there could've been just one character who is shown to hate the uchiha clan prior to the itachi plot twist and i'd find it more believable.
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>>288591920
i miss the old style too. it had a rough and gritty edge to it and felt more unique than the later sanitized style, especially during the war arc. did kishimoto have to adjust to digital art or something during that era?
i really like evil gaara.
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>>288591729
Hamura doesn't actually comeback from the dead, he just projecting himself from the statues like Minato and Kushina did.
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>>288591929
Shonen authors in general just fail at this. Must be part of some condition that makes them creative enough to write these stories. Look at comic slop and the west and how focused they are on making out and sex.
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>Shino is the only male of the Konoha 11 not to be in the SRA in some form
>Kiba jobs to a fart
>Kiba is the only member of the SRS to be utterly outclassed by his respective S4 member.(Discounting Kimimaro)
>Hinata gets BTFO instantly by Pain in an outright insulting manner
There's no way he didn't dislike them in someway.
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He needed enough people with high chakra to form the seal do the forced summoning circle without a blood contract.
All of the current Gokage are on death's door so he pure lands summoned all the others to do the seal right.
>>288591382
It says she used her 'OCULAR POWERS" after he explicitly called out the sharingan and byakugan. He is describing how she does it. Jin no Sho says that her byakugan spans the whole world in terms of range, but this doesn't align with the range we see after she casts it on the country of ancestors in the past. There are still humans alive, so her range for the genjutsu has to be either
A. only the part of the earth facing the moon
B. limited by the range of her byakugan as the casting medium for the genjutsu, similar to the casting range of sharingan genjutsu.
>Not gonna get mixed in the databook
They are literally written by kishi, wtf.
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The Japanese uses その瞳術 "that ocular power' which directly refers to both eyes "That Ocular Power" singular but in reference to both in the previous state based on the syntax.
>And that doesn't mean it would have global range.
Jin no Sho would say otherwise, but we see the results of the land of ancestors to show that the range isn't the whole planet. Humans outside of the land of ancestors survived and didn't become white zetsu.
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He literally is there and gives Hinata his Six Paths Chakra the same way Hagaromo did.
Some say that because the tenseigan exists, he can use that as a physical vessel to come from the pure lands like Hagaromo did with Madara's body.
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