how to win over a girl with a bf

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Be honest.

Is getting women even worth it? Is it worth all the effort?

>>34599738
Yes. Very much yes. All my favorite memories involve women

>>34599738
The best sex I've ever had, that one day alone, was worth every second in the gym and every day of calorie tracking, and that's without mentioning how maximizing for women improved life in every other way.
Sex totally rules and don't let anyone convince you otherwise

This girl I've been talking off tinder with seems to be kinda weird and/or autistic and idk if I wanna get involved in that but on the other hand, I'm also weird and/or autistic so who am I to talk.

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>>34599738
What else is there to do?

>>34599753
>>34600008
you cultists idolize women

Reposting from last thread

I was at the grocery store yesterday and a short, cute, chubby Latina looked at me and made eye contact and smiled at me. I didn’t know what to do and got really anxious so I went the long way around the store so I would pass her again paid for my stuff then left.

Am I totally hopeless? I was wearing a retarded Superman S t-shirt since I went to the gym beforehand so I felt a little awkward talking to a girl in it but at the same time I’m 24, a girl smiling at me should not be able to fuck me up that much. Am I salvageable?

>>34600017
Answer my question.

>>34599738
"all the effort?"

>oh no i have to talk to people

>>34599738
I went two years without women and since starting again I've felt more alive than I ever did in those two years.

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>dating girl with D cup tits
If I can make her my gf or even FWB I will be in heaven. But I will kms myself if I fuck it up.

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>>34575068
>>34598979
This faggot has it completely backwards. "Fashion" is so ugly that it has to be changed out every six months. If you're wearing anything that didn't look good three years ago and you can't be reasonably certain it won't look good in three years, that's because it's shit.

>>34583003
I'd say go for it,

>I posted on IG about how I changed my brakes on my car over the weekend
not to sound like a shithead but why? I'm only asking because I'm also an autism/o/ and I can never bring myself to post shit like that unless it was something major or conversation worthy, I wish I could but it just feels too boring to post to me

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>>34600397
I wouldn't recommend taking drastic measures after one stumble, there are other fish in the sea and statistically the average bra size is increasing every year across the board.

>>34599814
If you haven't already, I'd at least meet her in person once so that you can get a proper vibe, she could just be a bad texter. I once met up with a gal who I'd texted, and face timed with only to discovery upon meeting her she didn't have any thumbs.

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>>34600533
>If you haven't already, I'd at least meet her in person once so that you can get a proper vibe, she could just be a bad texter. I once met up with a gal who I'd texted, and face timed with only to discovery upon meeting her she didn't have any thumbs.
Was not how I was expecting that to end.

>>34600533
I wasn’t serious but it would hurt a lot. In addition to having great tits she’s just my type in general. It would probably take a lot of searching to replace her.

>>34600533
>statistically the average bra size is increasing every year across the board.
doesn't count if they're fat

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>>34600652
>only counts if they're fat
ftfy

>>34599628
this girl has the normie stare that says "holy fuck I'm so uncomfortable with this guy. His flat affect makes me think he's a murderer"

I've noticed a lot of attractive women walking around at 5pm after work

They are way better looking that people on Hinge. I've also swiped through all the women in my city.

I need to think of ways to introduce myself in person.

This is gonna be fun

Hooked up with a 19 year old as a 31 year old. Met at a college job fair. Man really does get better overtime.

>buddy brings two of his female friends out tonight
>they meet me and another friend for the first time
>at the end of the night they both ask for his number
>didnt say anything to me when they left
Man this sucks

>>34600803
Nice man, but what were you doing as a 31 year old at a college job fair??

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Reminder that she expects you to hit on her.

Beautiful women don't fuck cowards.

>>34600397
I wifed a girl with F cups. Paizuri is cool.

>>34599738
>Is getting women even worth it? Is it worth all the effort?
no; but you got something better to do?
If there was an alternative wed be all over that.
Its like asking 'is eating bugs worth it?' Not if you have a choice

When is it appropriate to ask a woman for sex if not at the bar? On a date? After I get her up to my place? Nowhere?
Bring back rape culture unironically.

>>34600973
But if you do then she’ll report you for harassment.

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>>34599628
This is going to sound strange, but where can I go to get experience specifically with rude and confrontational women? I've bitched up so often in instances where she gives attitude or disrespects me that I close off from all women and don't even acknowledge those that aren't outright indifferent towards me

I'm cursed with having a lesbian's taste in women so I'm really afraid this androgynous butch I met on hinge is a man. Wish me luck.

>>34601224
Go pay something like your phone bill in-person and start arguing about this or that extra charge.

>>34600803
Greentext pls

>>34600962
He might have been one of the job havers.

Need some advice
Had a fun time out last night with my friends, but botched getting a girls number at the end of the night. There was a girl I hadnt seen before and we were talking and hitting it off. My friend was trying to wingman, so at the end of the night when I was getting ready to go home, he said loudly "you two should totally exchange numbers"
I got embarassed by that and said No im not gonna do that, and then realizing what I said, then i said but ill give you my instagram, and she said sorry i dont use instagram and instead of then giving her my number I said oh well ill see you next time.

Today i got added to a friend group chat and shes in it so now I have her number. Should I reach out to her and apologize for it being awkward and ask her out? Will she think it creepy that I got her number from the group chat instead of from her directly? I really dont have anything to lose here and I want to get better at just going for it instead of being timid.

however i am going out of town in 4 days so I cant make any plans this weekend, but i could tell her that we should do something next week when im back

>>34601327
>Should I reach out
Yes
>and apologize for it being awkward
Absolutely not. Just pretend it didn't happen
>and ask her out?
Yes
>Will she think it creepy that I got her number from the group chat instead of from her directly?
As long as you explain where you've got the number. It's less than ideal, but not getting her number last night is entirely on you

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>>34599600
>It sounds like she's getting restless waiting for you to initiate something so she's trying to make things easy for you...

It was too late for me to see this in time, but I'm pretty sure this was spot on last night. We went out to eat, and then came back to my place to watch movies. At some point, several hours into the movies, with us being right next to each other without touching, she asked me, "How do you express desire?". That was probably her asking why I haven't made a move yet and when/how will I do it. Although she is catching on to the fact that I am retarded, we still scheduled 3 more dates. So she's not fed up yet. I'll need to use something like the massage trick to show her I am fine touching her.

I was thinking I should've at least put an arm around her during the movies, but the idea of making any kind of physical move first seems literally impossible to me. I can do anything once I know she wants it. I don't know how to sense it in the moment though. I almost want to tell her that she has to tell me when/how she wants to be touched.

When is it appropriate to ask a woman for sex if not at the bar? On a date? After I get her up to my place? Over text?

>>34601703
>I can do anything once I know she wants it
If she's at your house alone with you watching movies she's at least open to things being physical, she wouldn't go inside and hangout like that if she wasn't because it's kind of implied that things could happen
>I almost want to tell her that she has to tell me when/how she wants to be touched
Don't, its a huge turnoff for girls, the only time it's sort of ok to ask them permission for something is right when you're about to stick your dick in them, and even then it's more like "hey, do you want me to get a condom?"
>several hours into the movies, with us being right next to each other without touching
That sounds impossibly awkward, have you even touched her at all? You should be trying to casually touch her throughout the date to get her more comfortable with you, I'm assuming she's giving you lots of body language cues that she's open to your touch that you're just not familiar with. If you drink then I'd suggest having some wine or beers to loosen things up and help with anxiety, it's more for you at this point than her, no need to go crazy just a drink or two.

>>34601381
That sounds good but how do I mention I got her number from the group chat without also having to mention that I didn’t get her number last night?

>>34601745
you don't ask, goober.
you can at most ask "wanna go to my room?" after making out on the couch

>>34601745
I'm a pathetic loser so don't take my advice, but I would just use some kind of innuendo with a wink. They know what that means. But once you are a lone in the right place you just need to make a move. But it's very important to be able to read her body language. If she doesn't seem into it you should stop. A lot of times women will just go along with it because they don't want to hurt your feelings or something, but then she will hold it against you later.

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>>34601703
>loses virginity on first hinge date
>goes on four dates with other girl and doesn’t even kiss her
>she sticks around anyway subtly begging for cock

>>34601703
Read the Models chapter on touching. Also how did you lose your virginity if you can’t even kiss? Did she just rape you?

It's tough, dating apps as a non-chad guy in his early mid 20s. Because your pool is women in their early 20s, and these women are in their absolute peak in terms of SMV. So not only are you competing with chads, but also men in their late 20s, early 30s, and all that comes with that (rich older chads etc.). Whilst a man in his early mid 20s is a ways away from his SMV. Of course, this means we win the long-game, but it's frustrating in the moment.
What's more, because the women are at their peak SMV -- and they know it -- they put almost no effort on their profiles. Yapping, naps, margaritas, food, funny. 90% of profiles are fully covered with these 5 words.

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I believe a lot of guys are virgins or fail with women because they don't get the chance to interact with them naturally. Cold approach has it benefits but its ultimately a desperation strategy where you expect women to deal with strange men they just met. Advice should really be geared more towards living a lifestyle that forces interaction with women.

>>34602336
And that lifestyle is...?

If you have to over-analyze everytime you are near her, she is not the one.

>>34602389
Things like working jobs where you have a lot of female coworkers, or going to gym classes that force interaction instead of the solo gym experience.

Gyms are a great example of this. The people who actually manage to find relationships or sex in fitness spaces the most do so in class/skill based gyms where people have to engage with one another.

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>meet girl on hinge, shes an unrionic 9/10 for my physical attractions, fun to talk to, smart, funny, same age, not a slut, etc.
>most shockingly, seems actually interested in me, and does stuff like text first or say things that actually imply a level of thoughtfulness or care and attraction
>went back to her place on first date, just hooked up, didnt fuck
>had our second date this morning, went well
>try to be diligent on not getting feelings quickly, but she actually hits all the right marks in a short time
>she's going away for a week for a work thing (planned before we met)
How do I not fumble this? I know coming off clingy is suicide, but coming off too cold and losing her like that would kill me. We already laid groundwork for seeing each other when she gets back.
I figure hit her up tm and wish her a good flight, and then back off a bit unless she initiates, then near the end of the week, hash out when/what to do when shes back.

>>34601816
"Hey, it's anon, we've met last night at X. How's it going?" or refer to something you've talked about. Tell her about the number thing if she asks you.
>>34601745
You never "ask" for sex, at least not directly, you make a move. Lean for a kiss, if that works, kiss her neck and then escalate by touching her body. Not difficult, you just need some balls

>>34602452
>The people who actually manage to find relationships or sex in fitness spaces the most do so in class/skill based gyms where people have to engage with one another
Yeah, you're not wrong, it's just that classes are usually useless for gains and cost extra, so they only really make sense if you're already jacked and ok with fucking around maintaining to prioritize getting bitches

Guys, I have an otter mode body
Should I include a mirror selfie of my body in my dating app profile?

>>34602918
If you go outside show off your body in a picture there (like the beach or hiking).

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>>34600060
>Am I totally hopeless
irrelevant
>I was wearing a retarded Superman S t-shirt
irrelevant
> I’m 24, a girl smiling at me should not be able to fuck me up that much
why not?
You focused on all this negative shit you think about yourself even after she smiled at you. did SHE say your shirt was retard? did SHE say you were hopeless?

Let this oldfag give all of you some advice; every post that's generally in the form of "does X thing I did/lookedl like/said mean I'm Y to women" is meaningless.

The reason everyone fixates on these details comes down to one thing, fear of rejection. Avoiding a bruised on your ego. You all want to find that one answer that's says if change X thing about me then I can GUARANTEE women will like me, I can GUARANTEE I won't be embarrassed or hurt whatever.

When people say dating is worse today than a generation ago. I 100% agree and the prime example of that from what is see is how terrified men has become of rejection. Hearing a no has never felt good but for whatever reason it's become unbearable for men.

I'm not downplaying that feeling, it's real and it has a body count in the millions of unborn children from unborn relationships. However, there's a huge disconnect from the actual real world consequences of trying to flirt with a girl a what we feel like will happen.

There's all sorts of theories as to why this is happing but on an individual level the important thing to ask yourself is two things; How much do I want to connect with a girl and how real are the risks I'm imaging actually are

>>34602741
Just ask if you can see her when she gets back and text her a few times during her trip.

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Anyone else use this for dating purposes? I ask it for texting advice, planning dates just talking over things. I probably have it to thank for not autisming up my current girl.

>>34602990
do you have an example conversation?

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>>34603005
She had texted me asking about date attire that morning.

>>34603005
>>34603053
And then I negotiated with it a bit to hone the response I ended up sending.

>>34603100
what do you do irl in a face to face conversation

could've been worse

>>34602746
Nice that’s what I did. It’s been a few hours with nothing. but I’ll give it until tomorrow and if still no response then I got my answer

>>34603110
I don't pick up girls IRL but I have no problems just talking on dates. I've been working on that basically my entire life (good conversation with a girl isn't much different than good conversation with anyone else) and if I do fuck up I can confidence my way out of it.

It's texting and managing my feelings that is difficult to me. Texting because it's such a limited medium that it's easy to fuck up, and my feelings because autism.

>>34603312
I'm the same way and I wish I knew how to fix it, IRL or on the phone I'm fine, but over text I'm too worried about coming off as like a freak or something.

I've been reading No More Mr Nice Guy and the follow up book about not being a bad dater. I find them pretty useful but the author also gives me grifter vibes. Is he a scammer or is he legit?

>>34603516
Probably the same as talking IRL - experience. The problem is that you talk to way more people IRL than you will ever text girls early in the dating process, so it'll take a lot of longer. But that's why I bounce things off AI. It's less autistic than I am.

>>34603205
Update, she replied and said heyy with two y’s, am I in?

>>34603533
You're in.

>>34603516
>>34603525
Oh and I'll also add that it's still a relatively new form of communication that changes regularly. There's no "how to win friends and influence people" bible for text communication, so we're all just figuring it out.

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Is it bad to finally decide to put in serious effort into dating at 34 years old? I've always been a content volcel virgin because honestly I hate the dating game, but I'm curious as to what I could achieve if I put my mind to it. I feel like I have the advantage of outcome independence since I can just wander back towards the path of becoming a 40 year old virgin if it doesn't work out.

>>34603577
No worse than deciding not to, and probably better. What women want is often good for you anyway (fitness, health, etc.).

>>34602452
Not him, but he closest that I got to natural interactions would be at work, but not with female coworkers. Asking a customer out would be an odd choice so I won't ever do it. There's one customer who I've seen and spoken to a few times a little casually, but I've never made a move on her because it just doesn't seem like a wise choice.

>>34602990
I can tell when women use llms to text me. I spend 10 minutes thinking about an abstract topic, and then they respond in 10s with something just as profound? And they barely speak English.

It's very not genuine. At least don't use the emojis

>>34603788
Just copying and pasting directly isn't genuine yeah.

>>34603525
>>34603543
>The problem is that you talk to way more people IRL than you will ever text girls early in the dating process
That's the thing though, I've had online friends and IRL bros that I've known for years so texting shouldn't be so weird to me but I still somehow shit the bed despite talking the same way I would over text as if I was talking to any of my buddies. Its like "just be yourself bro" works IRL for me but that's it