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Who's ready for more of our parks to be sold to logging companies?
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>cartoon villains aren't realistic
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>>5113687
You know that heat survey or w/e a lot of conservatives like throwing around recently? It really says a lot in ways they don't likely intend. They wield it as some gotcha against their opponents, yet it really does speak to their priorities. Of the selfishness and smallness of their minds in buying so hard into zero sum for everything.
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>>5113692
The people that want white genocide to end and think modern liberal ideology is suicidal horseshit, who you have been arguing with, tend to be environmentalist if they aren’t fully compromised by what epstein was actually doing with /pol/ (destroying the peoples right wing by throwing in flat earth, nordicism, and climate change denial at every opportunity).
That heat survey means what they say it means. They say that a liberal would kill a human being to save some number of animals or is a narcissist who responds as a cartoonish all-appeasing persona on every personality test (the latter is the most common)
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>>5113702
this. you mistake zionist neocons from weird pseudo-christian cults like mormonism and protestantism for the purestrain 4chan alt right full of pagans, gnostics, atheists, and deists.
it is multiple ideologies and the line is drawn with religion.
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>>5113702
>liberal would kill a human being to save some number of animals
When people get asked abstract questions, most don't respond to the question in the same abstract way, they don't perceive the question in a vacuum. When someone gets asked "would you kill a human to save a bunch of animals" they likely immediately build a hypothetical situation in their head, intuitively, in which you would have to kill a human to save a bunch of animals. In this situation they also usually make up a motive for the person to kill the animals. Most liberals would likely think of a poacher trying to hunt an endangered species. A situation where the person is objectively evil and deserves to get killed. While a conservative would be more familiar with stuff like rural lifestyle so the first thing they will think of is a person hunting an animal for food, slaughtering cattle for food, hunting down species that threaten cattle or crops and such, things where the person killing an animal is morally justified to do such.
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>>5113703
Protestantism preemptively kneecapped environmentalism in America since Protestants actively refuse to accept that there can be sanctity in anything outside of their absurd religious texts, and the adoration of nature in particular is denounced as being Pagan. The influence of Marxist materialism on the American Left doesn't help either. The end result is that environmentalism can only be promoted through the lens of cold, material pragmatism, which is unconvincing to Republicans who only care about Line Go Up™.
Of course, I'm oversimplifying and exaggerating for the sake of making a point. Reverence of nature for it's own sake isn't totally absent from the American soul, which is why there has been some meaningful progress when it comes to conservation. But it's an uphill battle, especially when Republicans are in power.
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>>5113683
Because their entire platform since the Obama years has been "do the opposite of Democrats". A Black man being president completely mindbroke them and they still haven't recovered. They don't give a shit if they are tearing down institutions. If it makes the libtards mad, then mission accomplished.
This is how the country will fall btw. We're going to go through several more decades of 1000 cuts where everything gets a little more expensive each year and the faith in our institutions wanes a little more. Then there will probably be some explosive powder keg event but I'm hoping I'll be dead before it gets to that point.
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>>5113702
Conservatives like claim that it shows conservatives have an in group bias and liberals have an out group bias, but that’s not what it shows, what it REALLY shows is that the average liberal believes that all animals and humans deserve moral consideration, and that conservatives believe that only their closest in group deserve that.
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>>5113702
>white genocide
have sex
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>>5113719
They literally stated it was their goal and bragged about it, and often. Get over with it. The foreign tribe in your country wants power and you have it as longs you’re not a minority. Stop trusting people who sell your military tech to your enemies and bomb your ships while begging you to fight their wars.
>>5113717
You don’t understand it at all. It means from your present position, how far does your unconditional concern for right and wrong extend?
someone who did not select all mammals will not say, do nothing to save one, or support animal torture. It means that there are some mammals they will never care about, like rats, so they can not select “all mammals”. They won’t select “all nations” because there are some nations that want their people exterminated, so they can not honestly say all people in all nations receive unconditional moral concern. “but i wouldnt mind if all the muslim extremists died horribly” disqualifies you from selecting 9 even if you care deeply about everyone else.
It is literally just friend good, enemy get fucked and a survey of how far away people are from their unforgivable enemies.
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>>5113724
This is fig 4, from where participants rated each categories importance.
Liberals at the extreme are more likely to rate nonhumans as morally more important than humans.
Take both parts of the study and it shows that liberals just dont believe they have enemies everywhere, and right and wrong as so abstract that it is possible, if not necessary, for humans to be less important than animals.
Conservatives value humanity first and foremost and are aware of where their enemies are.
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>>5113729
That was fig 5. If you would not care if every muslim terrorist died, you cant select circle 9 even if you care about everyone else and even things beyond. All means all. Fig 5 therefore shows the nearest enemy or moral non-things location.
Fig 4 shows relative moral concern which is how people actually think. A very liberal person as labeled in this study is likely to agree that it can be right to kill a human to save some amount of animals.
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>>5113683
anyone acting like murrikan politics is a two-party system is either utterly ignorant or a zionist. It's all just a string of politicians making something worse without undoing what the previous one did, deliberately.
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>>5113683
Is the party where consequences don't reach you: get pay from big corpos to look the other way? Cool as long as you say you hate browns and trans. You can do any crime and they will still forgive you as long as you repeat those magic words.
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>>5114061
No, because that's cancel culture: you do a controversial thing, like destroying a forest, so you get bad press. But if you get cancelled all you have to do is say "ehem, I hate gays and browns, yes?" And then conservatives just ignore whatever thing you did, because you said the magic words, and then say "you see, liberals eat each other".
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>>5114062
>no, because *nonsense*
im glad we agree all us politicians would gladly light the earth on fire and keep up the contradictory performative ideology and there is no voting your way out of this mess
thank you for agreeing that your government is a hostile foreign agent that serves multinational corporations and both parties are in fact pedophile clubs compromised by global corporatocracy. really. it was nice to find someone sane and mature for once.
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>>5114068
It's funny how often I've been seeing this in recent months
>bad thing under Biden
>"REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE DEMONRATS THEY'RE DESTROYING THE WORLD FOR THE GLOBOHOMO OR JEWS OR WHATEVER"
>bad thing under Trump
>"Bro it's both parties they're both controlled by the same interests don't you see man"
No doubt it's Trumpies that don't want to directly criticize their pedophilic cult leader so they use the "both sides" copout. I rarely remember seeing it under Biden. It was always direct attacks on him.
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>>5114186
>bla bla bla red blue other side bla bla bla
Shut the fuck up amerifat
Biden went around federally delisting species whenever lobbyists asked and steadily approved requests to log old growth BLM land DESPITE his performative virtue signaling about how important it was. He also supplied israel with any arms they asked for at the height of the gaza genocide and fueled mutual extermination in the ukraine war while yammering about “our values” which are, according to US politicians, best expressed as most of a countries youth dying for a subjectively important political system and being replaced with easily manipulated labor scabs.
All US polticians are bad. Yes, all of them. They are even all pedos, between the epsteins and the podestas. Trump fucked kids. Hunter biden fucked kids. Joe biden fucked kids. The clintons fucked kids. Obama spent an obscene sum on “hotdogs and pizza” that would have fed a small army but would also be a realistic sum for trafficking prostitutes of questionable age. Your country is a lying shithole ruled by lying pedophiles and over half of it is third world. There is no good side or bad side or cool side or uncool side in american politics. Every single politician you have is literally fucking evil and rapes the world, children, and the office staff whenever they feel like it.
You can go now. Not to the polls. You should know those don’t do anything. The next democrat will keep the national parks up for sale while… taxing carbon, subsidizing $40k EVs with government accessible remote control, or some useless faggot shit.
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>>5114186
>be democrat
>bomb natural gas pipeline to own da homophobes in russia
>ocean poisoned
>be republican
>start war in ecologically fragile gulf to own da libs or whatever
>ocean poisoned
>oh wait they’re taking over the global energy market while playing bad cop good cop and literally destroying the ecosystem you depend on for food
>so they can sell you a petrochemical derived replacement
>as a subscription
>and you fell for it
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>>5114194
>"amerifat"
>Biden went
Stopped reading there. I don't listen to non-American's (i.e. not real people) opinions of what's going on in my country. I don't do it for your irrelevant turd world shithole country, don't do it for mine.
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>>5114220
>uuuuh why do you as a non american care about america?
might be because of the hundred+ years of consistent warmongering, proxy wars and the american military base 100 feet from me, cletus.
we are currently living through the last death convulsion of your rotten empire. rot in hell with it.
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>>5114254
buddy you’re malding at someone who pointed out that liberals do in fact believe what they have said often, that they’d kill farmers to save cows
liberal: servant of the godless and arbitrary abstract value that they think will make the most people like them at the moment
conservative: FORWARD, FOR THE IMPERIUM OF MAN… woah not that man he’s kinda fruity. not that one either he’s a fucking moron. kill those ones.
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>>5114287
terminally online freak.
they wont do that. like you wont do shit. americans do NOTHING but virtue signal. your entire retarded country has been huffing and puffing for the past two decades. civil war any second now, we´re gonna use those arms we got from the constitution is swear.
you´ll do nothing, ever. does not matter if its red or blue, your goverment will keep causing turmoil across the globe, shitting literally everything up until it collapses under its own weight. and you retards, conservatives and liberals alike, will sit there and threaten each other over twitter, each virtue signaling to their own ingroup about BULLSHIT MEANINGLESS TRIPE like some tranny doing a beer ad or some starlet being canceled because of her traditionalist statements or some other inconsequential horseshit.
you will sit there, fat and (mostly) content.
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>>5114473
>liberal tries to say moral hierarchy study shows conservatives are psychopaths and liberals are human
>anon swoops in with more figures from the study and an explanation of how it works
>it turns out liberals are misconfigured systems that actively fight against their own species survival and prosperity and think it is morally right to do so, and at the extremes rank animals as more important than all human beings
>conservatives are actually just humans having a human experience - flawed but with good intentions despite often being fooled by other humans
>you, a liberal, upon reading it and failing to formate a good refutation: *incoherent seethe that reads like something a demon would spout in a shitty exorcism skit*
of course i think demons were stories based on people like you, not that you’re possessed by an evil spirit, that people wanted an explanation for how you could be a normal human despite being against humans
but we are more reasonable now
i think its because its so much easier to be like you, and so much easier to hate humans and want them to fail, if your primary goal is projecting the image of a thoughtful and educated person and being right all the time. you can never fail yourself because you portrayed for yourself destruction and decay as an intellectual and noble pursuit and it is always the lowest energy path - entropy.
basically you’re like the ego version of a paperclip maximizing AI, it found the most efficient way it thinks it accomplishes the task (feel/be perceived as better than other people) and got stuck on doing it forever
your neurosis might even be the origin of religion, the worship of the false gods that spring from man, and what is a demon, but a nascent false god, and what is the possessed, but the prophet incubating that… infection of the mind
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>>5114473
You know liberal and conservative arent exclusive to american politics right? And that all american politicians are formally, center right corporate oligarchs and that the US is not a democracy, only has false choice major elections, and except for some cult members like hyperprogressives and christian zionists, the government does not and can not represent the will of the people? Right?
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>>5114487
The ones denying others humanity are only right wing if you think right wing means racist, but turbo-leftists are super racist and traditionalist. Hitler was a vegan and a socialist. He killed polish people to expand nature preserves. He called soibeand aryan beans because they could function as enough of meat substitute for vegan germans not to be dramatically deformed and stunted. And he looked up to india as the wellspring of civilization and a land of ancient knowledge. He believed in the communal good and eventually disregarding money and sharing property and labor as needed.
The average /pol/tards fantasy land is an all white communist village. If they got it, stalins ghost would believe it were out of russia’s utopian future.
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>>5114512
they’re the same morally, but a vegan is mentally ill and thinks their used car having leather in it or eating a free ranged unfertilized egg somehow matters so i dont make a strict distinction other than “sane vegan” and “insane vegan”
>thats not right!
but it should be. so it is. this is the power of rejecting the noahidism. establish not courts of law, but the spirit of justice.
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>>5114531
We sorely need to make everything south of wyoming its own country - retardistan. All those retards can do is lower taxes and hope corporations put some offices in their borders.
Also make new york part of israel and give socal to mexico
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>>5114287
>buddy you’re malding at someone who pointed out that liberals do in fact believe what they have said often, that they’d kill farmers to save cows
Cows are delicious and beneficial. Farmers are white niggers who need to learn their place and produce more with less bitching.
>liberal: servant of the godless and arbitrary abstract value that they think will make the most people like them at the moment
Literal small-dick energy.
>conservative: FORWARD, FOR THE IMPERIUM OF MAN… woah not that man he’s kinda fruity. not that one either he’s a fucking moron. kill those ones.
True conservatives don't want an imperium or whatever your nerdy toy games want you to larp as.
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Pic related.
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You cant serve two masters.
Money represents being servile to the fed and is backed by nothing.
Food keeps you alive.
What would you rather have, food made to be good or food made to pay property taxes? Increasingly you are being fed the latter.
And this is why they call you goyim (beasts - human animals).
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>>5114681
>muh monopoly money. the current economic model isnt a failed concept - the people feeding me are bad.
this NPC probably thinks a few metropolises governing everyone else (and actively fucking them over to appease nonsensical philosophies) is right because “democracy”.
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>>5115850
We wouldnt have because it was a false choice election. Harris essentially promised the iran war, more arms to israel, fueling the unwinnable ukraine forever war, any more “necessary” experimental vaccine mandates, and open borders. The uniparty actively deplatformed all the moderates, pulled the D frontman at the last minute, installed puppet harris without consulting a single warm blooded human being, and said “vote for this or trump wins”
And trump was the one with the best chance of being impeached inmediately so he won on the backs of people that thought america still had balls.
america does not have balls. AIPAC controls the house and senate with a supermajority.
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>>5115874
>inb4 a non american doesnt understand this
american elections are essentially decided by mass media exposure and cults of personality and have been since truman. the top contenders are selected by the media conglomerates and their owners that are also huge donors to both political parties. politicians with policies that don’t make them richer in some way just don’t get a voice.
the internet is slowly changing this. it may get better. or it may get extremely fucking retarded with the top tiktok grifters running the country regardless of their allegiance.
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you would think people would wise up to the fake red vs blue dichotomy after the past decade alone
fight amongst yourselves as you are summarily replaced by the new debt slave class
pay no attention to that man behind the curtain (the one with the funny small hat)
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