Probably whatever you subscribe to

Nazis

>>948392030
yes, communism

>>948392087
Remind me what Nazi is short for again?

>>948392091
Not the same

>>948392030
Seeing as wealth and capital of any kind is just an agreed upon mass delusion and invention by humanity - much like God or any other of our coveted institutions - I'd say conservatism and fascism are pretty high up there with low IQ people

Oh, and taking your cues from a black conservative seems pretty fucking stupid as well

>>948392133
op asked for ideology lower in IQ than socialism you fucking retarded homosexual faggot whore

>>948392159
it's okay to go back

>>948392030
Maga

>>948392217
Did you mean "go black" you mistyping troglodyte?

>>948392030
communism, religious monarchies and whatever the fuck india's doing.

>>948392240
Pack it up boys - this is the only answer. Worshipping a lying, pedophile, Cheeto-coloured whale for...reasons?

>>948392030
Worthless traitor of a nigger

>>948392268
is that a Freudian slip by you? the once you go black you never go back kind of AIDS?

>>948392217
I still don't understand what the fuck you meant by this comment

>be young retarded faggot today
>parents gave you cookie when you bumped your little head
>lesbian mom treated your cuck dads like trash in front of you
>lesbian teachers remind you that males = evil all the while secretly wanting to transition themselves
>little faggots grow up hating their own instinct to make something of themselves
>little faggots grow up suppressing their natural competitiveness because "muh wite priviluge"
>little faggots grow up being told that lazy niggers and lazy spics are = to ambitious white people
You little faggots are cooked. You were cooked by retarded feminists who brainwashed all of you to stop acting like normal Men and taking what is yours and telling the lazy niggers and spics to go fuck themselves when they want your gibs.
Conservatism is the only way.
--> Tell niggers to fuck off
--> Tell spics to go back to wherever the fuck shithole they came from
---> Don't tolerate 304's
---> Make your money and don't let the gubmint take it from you
Thank you for your attention to this matter.

>>948392479
me neither. all I know is that is is okay to go back.

>>948392520

Spamming is bad mmkay

Jannies

>>948392552
suck my dick. and go fucking back.

>>948392499
>-> Don't tolerate 304's
>---> Make your money and don't let the gubmint take it from you
kinda mutually exclusive if you think about it. you need to program the newer gens of human animals to hate 304's, therefore you need to give gibs to the leeches. either go full auth or full free market liberalism, no in between

>>948392575
No.
Isolate 304's so that they know 304 behavior = ostracism.
Make your money and don't let anyone, especially lesbians, tell you how to spend it/accumulate it.
Too many young men today are polluted with the insane ideology of leftist feminist trash, which is essentially communism blended with misandry.

>>948392159
Is it not real that people prefer things? Is their labor not real? Is their desire for products and services not real? This is an absurd, non-falsifiable take, and a logical fallacy.

>>948392664
I'm simply saying that wealth, capital and money are inventions, and only have value because we've collectively agreed on their value

I didn't suggest that human desire isn't real, or that hard work doesn't happen or exist - of course both do! Take your so-called logic and extend it up your arse

>>948392159
>Seeing as wealth and capital of any kind is just an agreed upon mass delusion and invention by humanity
the need for shelter and to eat is not a delusion. People must naturally consume resources to survive, naturally giving value to resources. Someone must do the work to produce or procure those resources, giving work value directly related to resources which are directly related to survival. There is naturally a limit on the availability of resources because there's only so much work that can be done. Plants only grow so fast and there are only so many animals to hunt. You are so immersed in this idea of the transcendent, euphoric intellectual that you've detached yourself from the reality that people are animals with animal needs and functions.

What you really want is all that work to be done for you while you sit around and indulge in a life of unimaginable luxury.

>>948392734

>collectively agreed on their value

This is so fucking stupid, Anon.

>>948392734
>>948392768
okay to go back. why are you still here?

>>948392768
Fuck you, cunt! Money is an INVENTION! Wealth is a CREATION of humanity! It wouldn't exist, nor would it have any intrinsic value unless we brought it into being, and we attached value to it. In the end, our entire economy is a FUCKING INVENTION - it's not like a fucking rock, which proves its material existence by virtue of the fact I can pick the cunt up; wealth is a CONCEPT, something CONCEIVED and brought into being by people - you fucking dolt!

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>>948392205
>you fucking retarded homosexual faggot whore
It is easier to just say commie.

>>948392921
yes it is but they don't get it

>>948392736
You know what? You fuckwit dipshit conservative - I will come clean on one point: I DON'T WANT TO FUCKING WORK - because I've never had a job I enjoyed, and I've never had any employment that gave me any sense of worth, value or satisfaction - everything you fucking cunt conservatives assure me is right there to be had in employment, by virtue of the fact it fucking exists. ANYBODY who fucking WANTS to work, is FUCKING CUNT who needs their head examined!

If I didn't HAVE to work - just to survive - I fucking wouldn't - because there is absolutely zero fucking value to me in "gainful employment" over than to put food in my mouth, pay rent and all the other shit that consumes my adult waking life. Work is drudgery - nothing more.

Fuck you, you Trump-sucking piece of shit

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>>948392084
>>948392030
Wealth is created through the working class not through parasitic crapitalist pigs

>>948392030
probably what this guy is waffling about >>948392499

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>>948392736
>What you really want is all that work to be done for you while you sit around and indulge in a life of unimaginable luxury.

I think most communists imagine themselves being a commisar. An officer that goes around reporting people for violating the tenants of communism and sending them to the gulag. None of them imagine working in the salt mines or being thrown in the gulag for being decadent bourgeois faggots.

>>948392638
aww, too bad the free market don't work that way, fascist.

>>948393025
source: dude trust me

>>948392986
>I'm a communist
>my pleasure and comfort are all that matter to me
every single time. You think the people who provide you with food and shelter would "enjoy" doing that?

>If I didn't HAVE to work - just to survive - I fucking wouldn't
many such cases. We all have to struggle with this. Time to grow up, kiddo.

>>948392030
You're right. Let's stop giving tax breaks to large companies and force them to pay a reasonable percentage of the value their workers create to them. This corporate socialism shit has gotten old.

>>948393147
So, Anon, you're telling me that Musk, Bezos, Thiel, Barron, Ellison all work so HARD for their untold riches - in between fucking children, of course - that Capitalism works because EVRYONE along the food chain is working EQUALLY as hard as everyone else? That that disparity between assets, wealths and hard labour is the ONLY possibly fucking solution to a world economy? To a system of managing people? Suck my idealistic cock, you imaginative coward.

We - humanity - ultimately decide the value of WEALTH, of money. We could flip the entire fucking system on a dime - IF WE COLLECTIVELY CHOSE TO. We're the only things supporting this crooked, bullshit dance and we can just as easily tear it down - if it proves itself to be fundamentally broken; which it is!

Grow up? You come and be abused by teenagers, treated with contempt by public servants, you fucking salt-of-the-earth prick.

>>948393025
>be ape
>dig in dirt
>find magic rock
>when you hold magic rock, you feel amazing for 20 minutes feels good man
>look for more
>find two, give one to girl ape
>girl ape feels so good she lets you put your pee-pee inside her
>find three, give one to girl ape, give one to buddy
>buddy goes off to sit in corner feeling amazing
>girl ape lets you put your pee-pee in again
>after a month of this, you figure out how to dig up magic rocks
>other apes just wait for you to give them magic rocks while they sit in the shade
>after a while, you start thinking maybe they ought to give you something in return
>other apes don't want to work tho. they just want you to keep giving them magic rocks
>eventually girl ape starts fucking all the other apes because she is bored with you
>you dig harder, thinking if you have enough magic rocks, you will win girl ape back
>you get mad, watching all the other apes just lay in the shade, enjoying the magic rocks you have dug up with your two ape hands
>so you stop giving them magic rocks one day
>you store them up so you have an entire cave full of magic rocks
>other apes get jealous, say "it isn't right for him to have so many magic rocks!!"
>they eventually pass an ape-law forcing you to give them the magic rocks you dug up
>your ape girlfriend now has blue hair, and leads the charge to murder you and steal all the magic rocks you have carefully stored in the cave
>within a year, no one is digging up any magic rocks, so no one has any more magic rocks

This is how it works, and if you doubt it, you're a retarded faggot with a blue-haired feminist whore as a philosophical guide.

>>948393247
COMMUNIST

>>948393324
kys socialist

>>948393303

China is the world leader in creating meat-like-meat.

Because all children go to school. They sleep at the school all week.

And they eat this pink sludge.

I want you to think.

>>948393147
I won't "play my fucking part" and hope - pissing into the wind - that I can somehow "make it" just like all the other billionaires, if I just pull my bootstraps up, keep my nose down and work hard (because that's really been working out so fucking well for me these past forty-something years) - just because you say so, you fascist piece of shit.

>>948393303
Capitalism isn't about equality retard, it's about weeding out those that won't provide value to the world and giving them the choice to prove their uselessness.
How tf you got that word salad for an answer I'd a you problem, homie.

>>948392030
capitalism. easily. capitalism has as its natural outcome the reinvention of serfdom, because the entire goal of the capitalist is to generate what amounts to unlimited wealth and that mostly arrives when you manage to generate market dominance with minimum (read zero) expense for labor.

>>948393381

Nonono, listen. Listen to me.

Life is very bad in China. You would not like it. They wouldn't make you a citizen either way.

This is wild shit you're talking yourself into supporting. Wild. Scary shit.

Fascism, homey, WAKE UP. China genocided a THIRD of their territory in my life time. WAKE UP.

>>948393381
So don't play a part. Don't think you can "make it". That shit is how we got so many retards to begin with. But pretending alot of the rich weren't useless nobodies who got rich thanks to the amount of simping for a smile you idiots do?
Thays delusional

>>948393430
Tbf Noone hates the Chinese more than the Chinese so that's hard to compete with

>>948393364
Ohh fuck you. Don't give me that "first-world-problems", take a look at how hard other have it horseshit.

China's circumstances are just another strand of the overall problem - the bullshit Capitalist system, and they're a supposedly communist nation.

Fuck you, "I should work and be grateful for what I've got, juts because somewhere else has it so much worse". Your fucken reflexive rhetoric sickens me!

>>948393430
>China genocided a THIRD of their territory
True.
Little faggots today don't understand just how evil actual "communism" is.
Mao
Stalin
Pol Pot
et al
"hurr durrrr, our brand of kommunizm will be differunt!!!"
It's like a broken record.

>>948393471

The Han believe they're a separate species, man. This isn't true at all, and is dangerously stupid.

It is hard to know, but you should know.

>>948393056
My source is that every vocal communist seems to be some urbanite Starbucks sipping blue haired faggot who doesn't own a single power tool and has never worked an hour of hard labor in their life.

>>948393477
So coddled by the comforts you've no idea what struggle and torture is.
Something I still hate newniggers for, not ever being around for the liveleaks and war dumps that used to happen here.
You're a funny one if you think the problems in America are near as bad as the rest of this planet.

>>948393477

I'm not doing that.

I'm saying China leads the world in many areas, photovoltaic solar being one. They're going to put data centers in low Earth orbit, okay?

And they're the very best at making meat-like-meat.

And the reason why is they feed it to kids who sleep in little concentration camps.

Do you understand what I'm saying to you?

>>948393504
Every time.
Dgmw they had me singing the tune for awhile, it DOES sound appealing when spoken or written.
Outside of that though, their practice is shit. From what I can tell communism is supposed to be a stepping stone to government formation and nothing more.
Next thing you know the Russians are gonna have anchor babies in American territory next.

>>948393507
The han at least recognize what the Chinese have done as well as themselves.
Fuckin based of anyone to know how horrible they act

>>948393381
no one's saying you can be a billionaire. It's on you if you can only be happy once you're a billionaire. You won't be a billionaire under communism either, btw. You are why children have to bring enough gum for the whole class, even in your 50s? That's crazy.

>>948393303
>So, Anon, you're telling me that... EVRYONE along the food chain is working EQUALLY as hard as everyone else?
no one's telling you that. Life isn't fair, it is what it is. "Fair" is a concept invented by humanity btw. To me, "you work, you get to eat" is fair even if other people get more than me.

>IF WE COLLECTIVELY CHOSE TO
sure. Now convince all the haves to give up what they have so you don't have to work because you don't like it. If you were in their position, you wouldn't make that sacrifice either. "If we would all just agree...." isn't a plan because never in history have we all been able to "just agree"

>salt-of-the-earth
this is traditionally a compliment. Just start an onlyfans, kiddo.

>>948393006
The working class by itself has no creating will. Rulers create by directing their subjects, there's no other way of creating wealth or doing anything as an organized collective without a social hierarchy. The only way of overthrowing a leader is by becoming yourself a better leader than them, not by "empowering" a disorganized collective who isn't born with the quality of rulership.

>>948393656

What do you mean by this. I am treating you as an equal and assuming you have a coherent, not retarded thought that I should deeply consider.

State it again, but a little smarter, so I can give it a go, Anon.

>>948393554
So...you're saying I should be grateful fro my freedoms under Capitalism, because the only other alternative is fascism disguised as Communism in China? That I should be scared of taking a communist stance (which I'm not - to be clear - I just think Capitalism is broken and we SOMETHING, ANYTHING else to replace it - Christ, invent a new system, for pity's sake) because I'm supporting China, totalitarian authority and being turned into a mindless sack of meat?

Is that what you're saying?

Fuck's sake: is there any other system of governing people? Beyond Capitalism and Communism? Is that it, is it really only those two options?

>>948393554
......they can't even get their EVs to stop blowing up.
They had a rocket lose an engine off one of their space program ships.
The 90billion dollar subway they built flooded and killed its occupants by poor architecture.
I can break their walls with my grip alone.
The newest Bridge they had just completed, collapsed without a single car using it.
They are actively running over kids in cars at school zones out of hatred.
Piss eggs.

This list isn't even anywhere near done.
Be a good commie nigger and just stfu

>>948393709
Leave it to a tranny reddit mod to not understand self reflection.
You walked into the door and doorframe with that one.

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>>948392030
>listening to millionaires making excuses for why they don't want to share their wealth with those who helped them acquire it
You're fucking retarded. They can spit in your mouth and you'll thank them for keeping you hydrated. Humanity doesn't need capitalists, it needs an infrastructure to distribute wealth and resources. Capitalists believe that you should pay them individually to make use of that infrastructure so they can charge exorbitant prices for your access to them. Socialists believe that this infrastructure should be in the possession of the government and maintained through taxes to keep access to it low. That's why China has the most advance high speed railway in the world and the US has zero, the existing railway is outdated and bad maintained and the prices of public transport are through the roof. The existence of China is proof that socialism is better than capitalism for the people, but not for capitalists who need everything to be privatized so they can exploit the people.

When nothing you say goes against the wants of the elites, you should really reconsider your own positions.

>>948393737

I'm saying, China leads the world in the development of meat-like-meat, and now you know, too.

I didn't engage in anything else, Anon.

>>948393800

Lmao I'm direct and not a nigger, and Im being gentle with a faggot in his feelings. Stop judging me you cunt lmao

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Are you where you should be?

>Oil barons (old money)
They oppose climate regulation that threatens their profit model. Right
>The media
Corporate media seeks profit through ads and viewership, so they resist full state control. Right
>Bankers
Nationalization and strong regulation reduce their profit model. Right
>Churches
Small community churches, like those behind MLK’s movement, leaned Left in pursuit of justice.
Megachurches and televangelists have profit-driven models, lean Right.
>Big Pharma
Maximizing profits through high drug prices, while opposing regulation and universal healthcare. Right
>The Military Industrial Complex
Profits depend on ongoing conflict and high defense spending. Right
>Agribusiness (Big Ag)
Subsidies, deregulation, resistance to environmental standards. Right
>Tech Companies
Often culturally progressive (Left socially), but fiercely oppose antitrust regulation and taxation (Right economically)
>Universities
Left-leaning in cultural values, but often Right in structure (high tuition, corporate partnerships)
>Unions
Collective bargaining, worker rights, redistribution. Left

When nothing you say goes against the wants of the elites, you should really reconsider your own positions.

>>948393777

Their non development as development will change once their AI Kung fu is strong enough. We shouldn't be fucking around with regulations, we need to be going full throttle to make sure they never gain supremacy.

Just my opinion.

>>948392030
He's a nigger so he's wrong

Your fortune: Very Bad Luck

>>948393737
*couple thousand years of communist behavior* "we should keep trying this even though they keep killing us for believing in it" *America's barely existent time as a mixed politics country* "we should document more of history and make sure its as accurate as possible so we know exactly whats happened everywhere" *the people* "NuUu MuRiCa EvIl durka"

>>948393840
Sounds like you're in your own feelings about Chinese propaganda.
The only thing China has is mass production and they still suck at that. They couldn't even get a smaller chip working in their phones so stfu already.

>>948393840Also, "omg the Chinese figured put how to feed themselves fake shit since they starved themselves on street dogs and cats for so long" isn't a flex retard.
It's another medication you're waiting to hear side effects about

>>948393957

What, lmao. I do business in China. China is a good partner, Anon.

None of your assumptions about me are about me, Anon.

>>948392030
Communism

>>948393875
Tbf my theory has been China will push the next world War anyway, they haven't stopped beating their chest like the annoying chimps they are.
Do feel bad for the people, but at the same time the retardation you see everywhere is what created the retards China is.

>>948393973
>>948393957

You need to calm down, white man.

There is a difference between you and me, and it starts with how easily upset you become.

>>948393737
Capitalism, Communism and Socialism aren't real. They're different names for the same system of different castes that you encounter in any social species, Monarchy was the same thing, but after the French Revolution the new elite had to convince the masses that they achieved more freedom, so they invented Capitalism/Socialism and Right/Left ideologies, to create the illusion that they are free while still being slaves.
Anyone who says the systems of each country are different is a shill, you wouldn't be any less fucked if you were Chinese.

>>948393978
Disregard that, I suck cocks.

>>948393978
Ah so you're a state sponsored shill. Weird, you're not allowed to be online talking any amount of shit about them. It's in your contracts. You'll get worse social credit as they monitor you further.

>>948393995

The people are Han, they're all Han. And all of them have the belief, secretly and in public in nationalist circles, that they are a new species of Homo. They have a very convincing argument for it, also.

My life calls, was nice chatting with thinking men.

>>948393996
I'm bored, nigger.
You guys made ylyl suck so I'm here to spit on your nonsense for ehatever fix to your superiority complex you get from this degenerate pit of reddits unwanted.
Don't confuse ehat is my anger. Thats a very reserved emotion for special occasions.

>>948394071
Coulda sworn they came from the shu wu and Wei, they haven't stfu up about it for 10 generations worth of games and movies.....

>>948394022
>
You're thinking of Mercantilism.

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>>948393708
proof?

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>>948393527
proof???

>>948392030
capitalism
imperialism
corporatism
fascism
authoritarianism
autocracy

>>948394022
The real illusion here is you thinking those ideologies just..formed out of thin air.
How is it most government systems got made centuries ago?
How did America make its?
What was so different each time "free people" got involved? Were they too happy to notice how fucked they were?

>>948394162
Read history, or just observe human nature, how others are always disagreeing with one another, incapable of acting as a unit towards a common goal.

>>948392963
>yes it is but they don't get it
Just like food

>>948394145
In that case, Mercantilism would be the precursor to Capitalism. It's all the same with different copes.

>>948393344
buddy i'm against all taxation, how tf am i a socialist?

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>>948394405
so no evidence?

>>948392479
this retard is baiting every thread with it, there is no meaning it's vague trolling.

>>948392736
the problem with capitalism is that everything caters to the elite and profitable industry has a negative effect on resources. 90% of jobs are a waste of resources. The average person is literally paying to have their resources stolen from them. Industry can waste billions of gallons of water for stupid shit people won't be able to afford but a normal person has to live like a Fremen or get fined $500 a month

>>948396481
The average person doesn't give a shit about such things, the immigrants usually rallied by the left even less.

>>948396954
if we collectively stopped competing and gave up some luxury quality of life for everyone would be better but humans are greedy retarded and violent

>>948396075
Sounds like a high-schoolers knowledge on the surface prostrating an air of intelligence, while not understanding that everything is a social construct for a reason.

Anyway, how 'bout that Federation Economy in Star Trek?

>>948397457
If we stopped competing we would revert back to nothing. Competition is what allows you to improve as an individual as well as contributing to the improvement of the species?
>>948397745
So we agree on all those labels to be vacuous social constructs? Why not start by listing what is not a social construct and is therefore inmutable, like Biology?

>>948392030
Nice quote

>>948398280
Biology is looked at from a Sentient-Centric view, and is thus biased by our own reality.

>>948398547
Whatever your spiritual beliefs are, you got them in reaction to something you've seen or read. All knowledge and imagination is inherently ingrained in material reality.

>>948392030
Trickle down these nuts

>>948398779
So true... If all the well intentioned people programmed to give all their possessions to foreigners instead worked to reinforce their communities, the world would be a much better place.

>>948392030
How many times do we have to say it. Socialism is NOT about free stuff. Its about equatable compensation for the contribution. Think of it as capitalism without usury or day trading. You still have millionaires in a socialist society, you just don't have trillionaires. Socialism is about removing the parasites on both sides of the economic scale, its not about taking the money from the parasites on top to give to the parasites on the bottom

Meanwhile communism and capitalism, when both taken to extremes, are identical. The ruling ((elite)) control everything and nobody else owns anything and are either gifted by the government for being a slave or have the ability to rent for tokens earned slaving

>>948392030
This is ironically one of the dumbest critiques of socialism.

How the fuck do you think wealth exists?

Wealth does just exist. It's created by itself. It's in the food, the water, the air, the shelter - all of those things are wealth, the only true wealth really. Other wealth comes from well-meaning people and inventors who creates cool ways to do things to help all of humanity.

The wealthy elite just take ownership of everything and say they somehow created it.

Throwing money at something isn't the same as actually doing it yourself. Using money to build a house isn't the same as you building it.

Wealthy elites need to get their heads out of their asses. You are not contributing anything to the system and should be on your hands and knees grateful that you are able to benefit from this glitch in the monetary system that normal people use out of necessity that allows you to do these things WITHOUT CONTRIBUTING ANYTHING OF ANY REAL VALUE BACK.

>>948392736
You have been fooled into thinking we live in a world were resources that allow us to survive are scarce, that is an engineered idea, if that were true why is food waste a thing? Why do we have empty houses owned by huge landlord companies? Why is water, used to cool giant ai servers and rivers and lakes used by large companies being used as dumping grounds for chemical waste? We live in an era of abundance and wastefulness, where survival is comdified and your children are born owing their lives to pay taxes to a goverment that could not care less if you live or die, and some are born into wealth they never earned while others inherrit nothing, having to battle to survive, its not at all ideal.

>>948393303
>i wont work cuz 3 people have lots of money

>>948392112
>Remind me what Nazi is short for again?

Its a counter to "Sozi", a nickname for the socialist party, and a play on words in Bavarian German, where an Ignaz was someone who was "foolish" or "clumsy". in 19th century germany, someone who was belittled further was not just an Ignaz, but an Ignazi. Sort of like in English where someone might be a man, but if you wanted to insult them as small you could say "manlet", the -i ending is a similar extension.

And therefore calling the NSDAP members "Nazis" was, originally, mocking them as little fools.

But that wasn't the "gotcha" you thought you were going to have, was it?

Do you also think the DPRK is democratic? If so, I have more bad news for you.

>>948393420
capitalism isnt even a system, its a lack of a system.
you dont need a system for people to work because people will do it instinctually. capitalism is basically saying fuck it, do your thing.

socialism is a system, a system of wothless parasitic faggots whove accomplished nothing but being faggots deciding how to control what you are already instinctually inclined to do and force you to use your labor to pay for shitty peoples miserable life failures.

>>948392030
The ultimate truth is that there is no "bad" or "good" system. Every system has its merits and every system can work in theory. The problem is the rotten apples in a society will always find the weak points of any system to exploit it for their own benefit at the cost of everyone else, and the normal person just cannot comprehend the lengths someone would go to to increase some imaginary value while condemning to death many of their own species.

You know the line in Aliens, from Ellen Ripley;
>"You know, Burke, I don't know which species is worse. You don't see them fucking each other over for a goddamn percentage".

>>948392030
Wealth is created by drawing lines on the ground and charging anyone for using that space. I'm waiting for the day air can be monitored and tracked, so people can start buying air.

>>948399446
I see no difference between all those examples. There will always be someone on top of the food chain playing favorites, even in your utopia, you just don't agree with that current someone, and that's okay.