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I find nowadays there's a lot more hen-picking in more fandom-y spaces over the topic of shotacon. Many spots, forums or IBs made for other women to use look down heavily on the subject. Which is sad, because I find that men are generally a lot more agnostic towards it and lolicon.

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>>4041888
*henpecking
...is probably the actual way you say that lol.

Anyway, the funniest thing I've ever seen come out that was one woman calling for a genocide against all autistic people in order to stop shotacons from existing.

>>4041884
I'm a guy and I'm gonna whack off to every single image posted in this thread.

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South Park definitely has some of the biggest, long-running collection of shotacons ever, and understandably so. I've have yet to see it in its entirety but a lot of episodes, characters and story beats just scratch my brain in such a good way. Plus it's very funny.

I'll never understand Creek though.

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(He's a FOTM, I know.)

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i miss /sh/

>>4041884
What is "female gaze-esque" about any of the art posted here? Maybe post something that's more male gaze so you can help us understand? It feels like you just wanted to create another /co/ thread in all honesty.

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>>4041906
They're made by women and follow a similar pattern of art trends, niches and/or adhere to shipping culture prominent in those spaces. I do believe in a difference in how men and women express shota love, especially in art, and I don't see one as being superior to the other. I just wish to see more examples.

>It feels like you just wanted to create another /co/ thread in all honesty.
I mostly just have cartoon stuff out of preference, and it's the most overt example of what I'm talking about too. Black Butler I know is possibly the most famous eastern case of what I mean, and it definitely shows in its style and writing.

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>>4041906
I think some things that I see commonly that are most recognizable as being "male gaze" are body part hyper-ism, smell and underwear fetishism, focus on the male buttocks and anus, interest in "full-time" otokonoko characters such as Astolfo, Bridgette or Hideri, and general sex play most popular with gay men as a whole (jockstraps, pupmasks, poppers, etc).
I hope I'm making some sense here.

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I miss this woman and her manga. </3

damn
already 1/3 of the thread filled

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>>4041941
I just love them that much anon. I'll calm down in a bit once I get all my yanota out.

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The huffy, bratty, near tsundere-like is the most female-bait shota archetype to ever exist, I swear. It's why characters like Max, and more recently Abaddon became so popular.

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>>4041906
I thought OP just meant boys that aren't gay for each other. But there's plenty of gay stuff in here so idk.

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>>4041947
I would post het as I think it'd make what I'm talking about a lot more clear, but board rules and all.

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Okay, I am done for now. I'll back back for more.

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>>4041947
Nah, homoeroticism is a very common feature of characters and art by female shotacons.

>>4041884
total foid death

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When i think of female shota, i think of legs

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>>4041954
Female gaze shota*

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Wish 1st person yume shota art was a thing
>>4041911
Aw

>>4041953
Come one, they're keeping to themselves. They're not trying to start shit.

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>>4041958
Rifuru makes doujins like that, if I understand you correctly

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>>4041959
I love it when Tweek looks miserable

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>>4041954
Definitely.

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>>4041967
>noeyebrow
Nice. Such a shame most of their art is in low definition.

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>>4041958
Lottie did nothing wrong. Everyone copies her flow but never properly give credit where credit is due.

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Love tawapo's boys
>>4041961
Thanks a lot

>>4041908
You're just describing SFW vs NSFW art

>>4041884
This retarded pointless thread again?

>>4041975
No, not really.

>>4041975
i think that since she thinks that nsfw art is for boys and sfw art is for girls makes me think that she is a tranny.

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Ignore the thread if you don't agree with it's premise. I'm being as clear and direct with what I'm describing, yet you entirely mischaracterize it as something else.
If you know, you know.

I'm just happy to have TWO shota hreads

>>4041986
It's just typical foid attention whoring 99% of the art posted here could be posted in the main thread so the premise of the thread doesn't even make sense.

>>4041988
It is funny that they saw shotas were getting more attention, so they made a whole thread about themselves.

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>>4041990
Not everything is secretly about you, believe it or not.

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>>4041984
>>4041989
I think the idea of "male" or "female" gaze shotas is complicated by there being multiple prevailing styles and sets of preferences for each sex. But if I had to pick one boy to represent what I think of as "female gaze" shotas, it would be Syaoran.

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>>4041998
For sure! It also ties into my theory that the most magnetic shota archetype is the huffy tsundere. Cute ones seem much more rare to come by these days.

>>4041993
Doesn't matter what you think, hole.

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>>4041998
You can't actually articulate what makes a shota male or female gaze because it's nonsense.

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>>4042005
Every piece of artwork posted was drawn by a women. Which is part of the main premise of the thread. I listed counter examples that are more popular with guys but of course, no one bothers to read.

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>smell and underwear fetishism
Heh funny I always assumed it was femanons posting these

>>4042012
Speak of the devil >>4042008

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>>4042005
Being made by a woman or women and consequently influenced by women's aesthetic sensibilities. In practice this is identified in an "I know it when I see it" sort of way. Because it's really more of an aggregate of all features rather than one or a few diagnostic ones. And, like I said, there are multiple different preferences and types of boys associated with each sex, sometimes even having somewhat contradictory features compared to one another.
There is one that I can only describe as the "little man". These would be boys like Hanako. Tsubaki also has elements of this, in spite of his age. They're still cute and boyish. They're not just shrunk down men. But they are deceptively manly. Almost all other shotas are more heavily skewed towards highlighting their neoteny. Even bara-esque muscle shos tend to have baby faces. But with these "little men" there is more of a willingness to let their masculinity pull them a little towards maturity; in their faces, in their attitudes, in their clothes and how they frame their body.
But then on the other extreme you have doll-like shotas. These would be both Cooro and especially Husky from +Anima that has been posted about recently in the regular shota general. These are pretty boys biased hard towards androgyny, with their masculinity mostly expressed through their behavior rather than their appearance. And even in their behavior, they tend to be especially child-like. They're not necessarily traps, but they're definitely not manly, either.
These are totally different kinds of boys. But they're both way more likely to come from a woman than a man. And it's the same on the men's side. Muscle shos and full time traps another anon mentioned further up are two types of boy that couldn't be further apart. And yet they do both have in common that they are mostly made by men.
You can't point to any one feature and say "this is what makes it male/female gaze". But there are trends you can notice.

>>4042021
I'm not reading all that. I'm sorry that happened to you or whatever. Go dilate.

>>4042022
I took the time to read it and I still think that it’s a bullshit explanation. According to it’s theory, I have a female gaze, and am thus a woman, yet unlike op, I am not a tranny; I’ll double down, I love shota of all shapes and sizes, this distinction is baseless and is uber likely just a tranny trying to get a foid tell he that she has good tastes, and validate her as a tranny by calling her taste female gaze.

tldr Husky from +anime is hummina hummina, op is a tranny

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>>4042039
I'm not OP. And I'm a man. And the whole reason I came to this thread to begin with is because I like shotas made by women. I also like shotas made by men. I have favorites from both. Acknowledging the differences isn't an attack or anything. It's like acknowledging that there are difference between eastern and western art styles. We have a /co/ boys thread. So a shotas made by women thread isn't that different.
And I wasn't saying anything bad about Husky. I also think he's super cute.

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>>4042021
>>4042040
Thank you anon for being better with words than I could ever be, and for giving me the benefit of the doubt instead of baselessly assuming I’m a tranny.
I think some anons see the OP title and immediately get defensive, thinking its very existence is an attack on their character. I don’t personally subscribe to the idea on can change their gender, but obviously men and women have difference what we prefer, even in the little things. I added the stipulation that much of the art come from female artists, so that definition was more ‘concrete’ and easier to obverse.

I also just wanted to see other girl shotacons talk about their experience. It’s very isolating to be one in fandom spaces.

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I get you OP. I think there's a clear distinction when it comes to art made by women, but I think what you're mostly referring to is stuff that's "fandom-y" instead of a generalized statement between what men draw vs what women draw.
I think the recurring theme here is a focus on art that feels like the artist ships the characters. I'm hard pressed to assume that a man would draw pic related for example. Not sure why it feels that way, but my guess is because the focus is on drawing the characters in a cute scenario rather than a solo drawing meant to titillate the viewer.

>>4042112
The existence of stuff like Touhou, PMMM, and even Blue Archive, hell, most yuri from Mihoyo games show that men can ship characters though and draw ship art similar to what you've posted...

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>>4042212
I'm not disagreeing with you there. Although I consider yuri fans similar to BL fans and many of those yuri artists are also women. Either way, I don't think there are a lot of men are shipping boys together even if they are the type to ship girls together. The focus is not on what men draw vs what women draw like OP stated, since there are always cases that deviate from the norm.

Is there nothing for female shotacons who like violent art? It feels like everything forceful is for men

I wish I had female shotacon friends
but girls don't exist..

>>4042255
No one ITT can agree on what "for men/women" even means. It's all schizophrenic stereotyping and dude trust me lines of reasoning.

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>>4042275
So true, where does one find unapologetic fujoshis
>>4042314
I actually get this thread as a man. The "female gaze" art is the art I use as reaction images and wallpapers while the "male gaze" art is the one I masturbate to

>>4041987
holy based, sauce??

sociologists (male) should study the "female gaze"
it is a curious pathology of the foid mind

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>>4041884
This is good, always nice to see diversity welcome on /cm/. Maybe we can have a thread for straight men who like cute boys.

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>>4042255
A lot of artists I've noticed really love cutting/selfharm, especially Chinese and Korean ones. I don't see it much with shotas as I do just general OCs or adult characters but maybe I'm not looking in the right spots.

>>4042429
https://x.com/rohyyo1

I wonder, do fujoshi shotacon experience penis envy? Do they envision themselves in the role of the Nii-san who gets to fuck the shota?

>>4043049
Depends. I'm more of a voyeur than a self-inserter.
Generally though, I think a lot of women do since you have more room to be "assertive" as a man in a way that femdom can't really account for.

>>4042339
>where does one find unapologetic fujoshis
Fandom hashtags on Tumblr and Twitter. Ao3 if you're a writer.
There's also d*scord, but we don't talk about that.

thred sux

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>>4043049
>do fujoshi shotacon experience penis envy
Yes
>Do they envision themselves in the role of the Nii-san who gets to fuck the shota
Yes. Like >>4043079 I feel myself as inserting more into the role of a voyeur, very attracted to the sole beautiful figure of a 'shota', though at times there is an element of desiring to love him as the males do. Shota is love, shota is life.

>>4043082
The most cheerful boy in all of Russia

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these faggots complaining about having two shota threads... I'm glad there's one for strictly cartoon and anime art. I hate realistic shota art.

I agree that "female gaze" shotacon artwork is hard to define if you aren't already familiar with what you're looking for. Maybe we could call it a wholesome shota thread instead, do you think it'll help curb infighting? when I think of works created by female shotacon I think of cute stuff like >>4041932 and >>4041968
they lean more erotic than explicit.

>>4041904
I'd do anything for /sh/ back. too bad that chan is dead as fuck. I quit using it because of how often people would raid it with CP. degenerates...

>>4043129
I'm gonna jerk my penis to this image.

>>4044081
i was born yesterday, what’s /sh/?

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>>4044086
it was a shota dedicated board on fujochan. it was removed a couple of years ago, iirc because it was getting dicey for them to host lewd shota art.

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>>4044139
Well that's bullshit. How come men get to post depraved shit here but it's too dicey when women do it?

>>4044168
This is why people dislike women here, they make everything about themselves

>>4044168
.’. if when there’re consequences for a group of people it’s more often due to the actions of a few being used to punish everyone. you can say it’s unfair, but you’re wrong; it’s not discrimination either.

>>4044177
No one asked for your opinion moid.

>>4044181
It's not an opinion, it's a fact, hole.

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>>4044168
it was a fear of getting punished legally, not moralfagging kek. I think adminjo must have been based in the US or something. I'm sure the announcement is still on meta board.
I mostly just miss the ability to post multiple pictures on a single reply.
don't the guys depraved shit get deleted though? felt like anytime I went through shota threads here there'd be tons of replies to deleted posts.

>>4044177
>>4044181
can you at least post shotas if you're going to fight?

>>4044231
I don't have the gaze of a female, so I wouldn't be qualified. I'll stick to what I'm good at.

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>>4044231
respect

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Ignore him. He's just looking for attention.

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>>4044231
It sucks that Fujochan feels entirely dead and that most people have splintered off into little 'cords. It's part of a bigger problem I have with niche(r) IBs in general where seemingly, no one wants to actually post on-site.

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>>4044231
>I think adminjo must have been based in the US
4chan is based in the US. And that's the reason you can post shota porn on /b/. The reason you can't post porn here is because it is a blue board. And the reason you can't post shota porn specifically on /y/ is because everyone knows deep down that if you could it would become a de facto shota porn board and that would look bad to advertisers.

>>4044487
>/y/ is because everyone knows deep down that if you could it would become a de facto shota porn board and that would look bad to advertisers.
Pretty much, I used to browse /cm/ more in 2017 when it appeared more like a mirror counterpart to /c/. Even as a blue board, the sheer dominance of shota is all over the place. You can probably imagine how much more extreme it'd be on an actual porn board.
Admittedly I'm kind of glad it isn't. I love them dearly, but a lot of standalone shota porn images tend to be fairly tasteless most of the time.

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>>4044487
lord they post the closest you can get to shota porn without getting banned.
I didn't know 4chan was based in the US to be honest, I always assumed it was based elsewhere. thank you for the info, you learn something new everyday lol

>>4044477
it feels like there's barely any IBs aimed at women, too. I can only think of Fujochan and lolcow. You wouldn't be able to have a shota thread on the latter.. not without every other reply calling all of the posters pedophiles.

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>>4044551
>not without every other reply calling all of the posters pedophiles.
It's funny because take a gander at the general where nonas talk about fetishes they're ashamed of and you'll see that there's a loooooot of shotacons. Dramafags amirite.