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I found this 1998 issue of Wizard magazine from a thrift store and I wanted to share a few pages I found interesting.
It's a nice look into the comic community before the wider internet and social media.
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Full Cover
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those were the fuckin days.
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fuck, witchblade. that's one MORE thing I ripped off with this one character I made. i always forget, i'm like 'venom, spawn, bayonetta... who am I forgetting'
it's Witchblade.
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The full ranking:
1. Spider-man
2. Batman
3. Superman
4. Wolverine
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John Bryne interview
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forgot the pic
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You now have my fullest, most-erect attention.
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Probably for Image and DC. They could probably find a more popular second mutie to use than Wanda though. Elektra was also pretty popular in those days I think. Bringing her back was worth more to them than their relationship with Frank Miller. It's kinda weird how much she's fallen off since then
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>greatest american hero
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Man, I actually had that issue. Such a silly magazine, but this was at the beginning of web, so for comic books news, this was one of the few sources for it.
I do miss the days of just grabbing a magazine and reading it at one leisure.
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Apparently Catwoman is Queen Bee
Last scanned pic for now, may post more later.
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I think the Elektra solo book from the 90s may have been cancelled by 1998, and you're underestimating just how popular the Avengers relaunch at the time was, and Wanda was the lead heroine in that book. You could make a stronger case for her than for Sue in 1998.
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I think Adam Hughes had better choices than the Wizard staffers.
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>Dawn
Kind of surreal knowing she was a huge deal back then
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>No Zatanna
Was she not considered eye candy at the time?
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Byrne drew the best Wonder Woman
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She seems to have been oddly neglected by DC for a lot of the 90s, on the brink of getting sucked into the Vertigo ghetto, so by 1998 she wasn't an obvious choice. And Wizard's list is all about the obvious choices and some fetishy choices.
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I remember Linsner's ads in the back of comics rags and it was abundantly obvious she was going to make Lady Death look nuanced and if it had been 10 years later she'd be primarily known for porn fanart. A great wet dream but that's it.
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Who would've guessed?
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Nips out. What year was it when this started to go away? Like 2007?
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Darkchylde was probably worse though
Bad girls in general were mostly trash in the 90's but Darkchylde was like that local trailer trash's sex tape that got big in your city but just quietly faded into obscurity levels of trashyYou think Randy Queen freaked out when Magik came back?
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I probably have more lenient standards when it comes to obscure small publisher and indie publisher comics than most Anons (who actually do read comics)
Bad girls don't really interest me but I'm kind of thinking about reading Dawn and maybe storytiming it
I know it's better that I just read it myself and make my own opinion but I just want to ask, is Dawn just "bland" outside of the art or is it like other "artist driven comics" that got flack at the time where it fundamentally fails numerous aspects of basic writing do's and don'ts?
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I don't know if I'd call it bland, it's too unusual for that, some of the setpieces are interesting and it's memorable. It just fails in plot which is vague and pretentious, you can tell Linsner just had a bunch of cool shit he wanted to draw and the story was secondary. I have a soft spot for bad girl comics (Dawn isn't really a bad girl incidentally, and has little personality one way or the other), I like Chaos! comics and Darkchylde. Dawn is the worst written of any of the popular ones of that era.
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I actually owned this back in the day, I definitely spanked it to the hot ladies top ten before, as a wee lad.
Wizard magazine was so fucking great. I lived in a shitty rural part of Washington and all the little convenience stores near me didn't get regular, sequential comics, but they would always have new issues of wizard. I lost the collect I had but I must have had thirty or forty issues at some point, plus a bunch of the specials.
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I have an odd nostalgia for the late-90's "bad girl" era of comics, I got a catalog randomly in the mail in 1998 for Anotheruniverse.com , and they were really pushing those books at the time. Fathom was on the cover, Red Monika had the biggest tits I'd ever seen in a comic, Danger Girl had three sexy girls for the price of one, it was basically porn to me.
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Can you imagine the sheer ammount of hot glue 90s gooners sprayed all over this cover?
I wonder if any of these cheescake artist like Huges, J Scott Campbell or Michael Turner ever receive disturbing fan mail detailing how much people enjoyed jerking off to their drawings.
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Another cover he drew with her
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To anyone interested, archive.org has old issues of Wizard:
https://archive.org/search?query=creator%3A%22Wizard+Magazine%22
also issues of "Comic Scene" magazine:
https://archive.org/search?query=creator%3A%22comics+scene+magazine%22 &page=2
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it has interviews, which are important to document bts details especially a lot of interviews were deleted by sites like newsarama. for example there's details of infinite crisis and morrison's batman rip that I think were only in Wizard like Hurt originally being the Devil.
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These are the last scans I took. It was fun going through the magazine and thread, it makes me wonder what the closest thing to Wizard today is, or what it could be?
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Like this anon said you can read the rest of magazine on Archive
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>it makes me wonder what the closest thing to Wizard today is, or what it could be?
This new magazine just started last month, seems pretty good so far, though less focus on fan-service than Wizard had.
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Some Ironman fan designs
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Here's the grading system for how they decide the best superhero.
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>>153185698
It's been long decided, Spider-man is best superhero of all-time. Never to be disputed again!
And that's all
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The Basic Training and Fan Casting were always my favorite part of Wizard
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In a world of badgirls, coming off Batman Returns, Catwoman was THE badgirl. the Balent comic really made her a star in the 90's. Wild to think DC would basically figuratively(and literally) throw that whole era away because it was misogynistic according to some guy who had Selina fuck old men.
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Zatanna didn't really get featured again until Dini pushed for her in the 2000's when he was doing comics more regularly. This list is largely based off characters who were getting sexy art at the time and she really wasn't.
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I don't think Brubaker ever called it misogynistic, he just wanted to write adult crime fiction and not fun heists for teen boys. Balent's Catwoman was a divergence from the one Miller established and that Mindy Newell followed up on in Her Sister's Keeper.
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I can't remember the image but I remember seeing some poll Marvel ran in maybe the mid or mid-late '90s and one of them was most popular heroine or something and Rogue was far and away number 1. She's pretty much always been the most popular female X-Men member and arguably their most popular heroine in spite of how much they'd try and push Storm or someone like that.
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Storm is more popular than Rogue. Even Psylocke was more popular than her in the late 90's.
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Nope. Storm always good pushed because she was black and because Claremont was sexually attracted to her. Psylocke got pushed because she was the closest thing Marvel had to a sexy warrior bad girl. But Rogue was always the one fans actually gravitated to.
Gambit and Rogue have always been extremely popular and it's not hard to see why. For boys, Rogue is pretty but she has the vulnerable "Ah can't touch anyone even though ah wanna!" thing so they can imagine being the one to save her and be her first while Gambit is a cool handsome chad. Girls loved them because Rogue is basically the shoujo heroine they could self-insert as and she was tied to the rogueish and charming bad boy with a heart that they thought was hot.
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nta, but you are wrong.Gambit and Rogue are popular because they were featured prominently in the 90's cartoon. When Gambit started to being removed from high landmark projects like the X trilogy, the Evolution cartoon and such, his popularity plummeted to the ground.
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Jeez, these are gooood.
Also very, VERY 90s.
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No, Gambit they tried removing Gambit and intentionally tanking his popularity presumably because a lot of creatives at Mavel viewed him as emblematic of the icky '90s dark ages. It never actually worked though and he's never stopped being popular. Being in the '90s cartoons helped and was likely how a lot of kids were first exposed ot them but it was the tragic romance aspect that kept people into them. They were cool, they were hot and Rogue's nature meant their relationship always had sexual tension where they wanted intimacy but were unable to find fulfillment which is something teenagers of both genders would be able to relate to.
Kind of like how Kitty was popular because she was a cute girl with similar interests to the teenagers reading and her popularity fell off once that went away and she grew up. I'd say being stuck in Excalibur didn't help but it did nothing to kill Nightcrawler's popularity because he never lost the core of what readers found appealing, same as Rogue and Gambit. Kitty did when she left the X-Men so peoples' interest left as well.
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Rogue first romance was with Magneto, then she had a crush with Longshot and then another romance with Joseph. Gambit love life wasn't even tied to her until the 90's and then after he became a no show in the other X-men media, their romance sunked like the Titanic with Gambit popularity.
At this point Gambit is probably not even a top 5 more popular X-man.
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Marvel Staffers are here again.
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From my anecdotal experience, girls/women absolutely loved Rogue and the Rogue/Gambit dynamic, hated den mother/queen bee Jean and didn't think anything about Storm at all, she was just invisible.
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She had a brief flirtation with Magneto that was pushed entirely by Jim Lee's art, Claremont didn't even acknowledge it in the dialogue. Joseph happened later in the 90s after the AoA Magneto/Rogue romance. In the early 90s through the mid-90s they were a will they/won't they item until they decided on "won't" for a while until Bill Jemas became president of Marvel and he decided they were "the" X-Men couple and had Claremont get them back together. Jemas was fired after a few years which allowed them to break them up again.
For other media, the movies' rationalization for not using him was that he was "too similar to Wolverine" in terms of being an edgy loner and he didn't really fit the school setting for Evolution though they did eventually bring him in as an adult.
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Stuff like that doesn't bother me because I understand that people like stuff I don't. There's bigger odd choices for them to push like the Luna Brothers. I may not agree with everything and ignore the half of the issue about comic prices but I enjoyed reading most of it.
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>Wizard staffers gay for RuPaul and basically saying Storm looks like a dude in drag
Nobody comes out of this looking good. And then the Wizard staffers out themselves as furries by putting Tigra on the list.
Mystique and She-Hulk are probably just there for their Captain Kirk fantasies about banging blue and green women, too.
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I think it’s meant to be in terms of Storm’s theatrical news and grandeur . Back in the 90s while RuPaul was known as a cross dresser/drag queen, it was a common perception of him was that he could pass for a woman decently enough that it’d be a shock to a lot of people who just saw photos that he wasn’t. It helps that this was the era of blown out, airbrushed modeling photos and off the heals of models like Grace Jones who he was a parody of.
Also Tigra is hardly furry. No one was thinking like that in the 90s before the internet got everyone on high furry alert. Her art of the time looks nothing like furry art of the era either.
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Hughes drew a whole fucking before Watchment miniseries, but it was Doctor Manhattan so no one cares.
I don't know why he chose the blue naked guy when he's known as a good girl artist, maybe he thought he was playing against type?
But it was four whole issues he drew, inked and oversaw the coloring by Laura Martin - very time consuming work for him. And there's some sexy women here and there. But between the fact that it's not in his typical wheelhouse, BW being wholly unnecessary, and Doctor Manhattan in particular probably having some of the least necessary details in his backstory, it went by like nothing 15 years ago.
Then he wrote and drew a Betty and Veronica series. Beautiful art, but again, bizarre choice. Archie girls whole appeal is the Archie style, drawing them realistically makes them just girls. And they're still meant to be teenagers here, while Adam Hughes clearly uses women in their 20's onward as reference. It feels like he's doing a TV high school thing, like he's trying to do some normie high school SoL/ drama or whatever, and it's just kinda weird because who wanted this?
If he ever even started it, somewhere out there there's All-Star Batgirl pages he was meant to do with Geoff Johns. That seems like an obvious project(seemingly no relation to All Star Batman from Miller and it's Batgirl). Shame it never materialized.
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I think he had been trying to play him for years, right? Gotta respect that.
I remember hearing the poor guy had wanted to play Snake Eyes in G.I. Joe, though he was a decent Duke until he got the character killed.>>153207031
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>I don't know why he chose the blue naked guy when he's known as a good girl artist, maybe he thought he was playing against type?
Despite what DC made it sound like in their hype, Hughes didn't choose it. He was working on All Star Wonder Woman when editorial assigned him the Before Watchmen project
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At least bump with a Wizard related picture!
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That's a very cool snapshot of 80s comics and cinema both.
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Noted and forgiven!
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So are those photos all from the 80s?
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>Spider-man: Chapter One really buried Byrne's career for good in mainstream comics.
Marvel really thought they could pull a Batman: Year One, forgetting Marvel readers don't really want to read retakes on origin stories as much as DC readers do and Byrne was guaranteed to shit all over canon.
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If this thread is kept alive for the next 10-12 hours, and if my shitty internet connection allows it,I can continue posting the Wizard-related images I still keep around if anyone is interested.
I've been awake for 22 hours, I'm going to sleep
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>nipples poking right through the costume so that it's a point but not the outline of the entire nipple
It's the perfect amount of nippling without it coming off as pornographic or fetishy. Comics just nail the right shape for it.
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Thats interesting. Didnt knew that there existed scribbles to the covers.
I wonder, do you need to ask to use those characters from Marvel and DC? I mean you make money from using their IPs.
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Marvel was the one paying him to draw all these comics with their dated-looking storytelling.
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It actually was, he was left behind by the new industry trends. Maybe if he would have tried his comeback in the 2000's were it was a reappreciation for the 80's heroic style he would have still relevance in comics.
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If only Juan Bobillo worked on it, it be good right?
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Contrast with the first page of Man Without Fear, a book that came out five years earlier. Miller and Romita just absolutely crushed Old Man Byrne.
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Found this. Kinda weird how they spotlighted this comic, because Campbell, and than he publishes just 3 issues.
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And it was a 6 issue series. Way to go!
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It's more that they wanted Byrne to do Man of Steel again and revitalize Spider-Man the way he did Superman. It's making me wonder whose idea it was on account that eventually the Ultimate line was launched years later
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I think it was a combination of that plus his interactions online
Spider-Man Chapter One alone might've put a dent in his career but it could've recovered. It's just that it combined with getting into arguments online with fans over it AND taking shots at Quesada/Smith's Daredevil delays was probably what actually helped bury his career
For those who don't know the story, during Kevin Smith's Daredevil, there were delays and part of what caused the delay was Quesada dealing with a death of a family member. IIRC Byrne made a snide comment that if the book had been on time to begin with then the death wouldn't have affected the book's time schedule. It's believed Quesada got pissed off at this and after becoming EIC put X-Men: The Hidden Years on the chopping block with other cancelled X-books because of that. This led to Byrne swearing off working for Marvel for a long time
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>This led to Byrne swearing off working for Marvel for a long time
Technically, he still doesn't work for them. His X-Men fanfic is getting published as a licensed book by Abrams, without any input by Marvel proper.
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Good, Fuck 'em!
They made him edit this kino page from his She-Hulk graphic novel.
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Usually, yes. Marvel and DC may have to check and approve sometimes. They're sometimes lenient about this only because Wizard and other mags cover comics, which means in some cases hyping up whatever Marvel or DC or Image or whoever wants to sell.
There was one time when Marvel was pissed off at a cover, it was when Liefeld drew Cable and Shaft from Youngblood for the cover for Wizard #10. Marvel flipped when they found out because at the time they were pissed off about Image (and Liefeld's cover was basically using a Marvel character to promote an Image character) and demanded Wizard pull the cover. It was already too late to pull the cover but not the poster so Marvel made them replace the Wizard #10 cover poster with a Spider-Man poster, and made Wizard never show the cover again. This rule was in place till around 1999 when by that time Marvel eased up about Image
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At least he managed to slip in some nipples
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Adam Hughes does seem to like drawing Wanda, he did a Wizard tutorial on how to draw sultry women, and he made it all about her.
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I like the final version better just because he added Catwoman and Scarlet Witch.
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>>153239332
That wasn't Byrne himself but the inker Kim Demulder. He decided since the graphic novel was meant for an older audience, well they should be able to have some nudity, right?
He actually had more nipples added on Byrne's art but most were erased. This page was redone last minute because the original was lost so Byrne didn't have a chance to remove the nipples.
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IIRC Byrne himself was angry about it as he'd previous got in trouble over an X-Men issue where he'd drawn Storm's bare boob, and assumed the nipple wouldn't be visible after the book was inked and colored, but it was.
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lmao Wizard was always a rag.
The fact that this thread has been going for days with people waxing nostalgic about, while TCJ posts with actually well done, informative articles and interviews end up falling off the catalog just goes to show how uninterested in comics as an actual medium most people here are.
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I know the guy that scanned and posted the majority of these on Archive.org. He still posts on a forum I'm on. I know he scanned all of them even if he never posted him. Might message him and ask him to finish uploading there as I'd love to have the full set.
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Don't give a shit about TCJ but it is interesting to see these old rags that were once disliked and criticized for being an obviously negative influence on the industry and culture be so glorified now. It reminds me of the Blockbuster nostalgia in way, another shitty corporate plague now beloved by many
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All the hate just came from edgy teens and that Wizard liked to push certain stuff because money or good friends.
But all their articles are quite good stuff.
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Miss Ed and Jim going over issues of Wizard. Miss CK in general. Miss Wizard as well. It was a great way for a poor kid like me in a small town to see what was going on in comics despite the magazine being mostly slop.
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Wizard barely gave She-Hulk a chance, Well before Dan gave the writing staff all blowies.
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There's always a TCJ thread, to which I applaud the OP, but this is the first wizard thread in who knows how long and is also a general late 80's/90's era nostalgia thread. It's also mostly kept alive by posting images, something you're not usually able to do for TCJ threads.
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Hey this actually kinda give me the same vibes as Wizard so in those terms it's not bad at all. I would be interested in reading this monthly actually. it nothing groundbreaking at all but it feels nostalgic and comfortable and really reminds me of laying on the couch reading Wizard when I was like 9 or 10 years old.
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>Caitlin mogging everyone
>literal who as #3
This is an interesting time capsule of the META of yesteryear.
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>Leo as Spidey, Arnie as Venom, Jim as Green Goblin
What could have been.
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Y'know as a zoomer and watching Sopranos at this time compared to when it was coming out, I get the craze but comics even jumping on it just reeks of comic writers and Wizard being especially lame.
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Missed opportunity at having Ozzy biting the glider and stopping Osborn mid-flight by catching it in his indestructible teeth (fucked up b/c British).
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Guess I'll continue in another Wizard-related thread, this IP-range ban bullshit does not contribute towards me posting
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>>153256502
He was describing himself there. Balent was doing it for teenage and 20something perverts.
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>>153244327
It wasn't just edgy teens that were hating on it
The older boomer crowd were upset at it for a lot of reasons, more so during the later part of the 90s
I would say peak Wizard was like 1992 or 1993 to 1996 but sometimes they had the occasional good article after
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Best is to know your audience. Besides i dont think that 40-year-old perverts have that much different tastes than any male. The story or artstyle is much more dividing in my opinion.
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