>>153240111
not even the first time. who cares?

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>New Titans #33: Hey guys aren't you tired of the Titans rehashing the same stories over and over?
>*Pulls the book because the book seems like it's gonna do something new for the first time in eons"
>New Titans #34: Rehashes same stories over and over
The joke's on me I guess

>>153240443
even acknowledging that the titans rehash the same stories over and over is a titans story that's been told over and over.

>>153240111
This is Bette Kane's fault somehow.

>>153240111
hot

>>153240111
Now that 4chan is "fixed"
can someone storytime this or i need to do it again?
Because Nightwing is included too because Dick's suffering has reached the levels of frank miller's daredevil

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>>153240111
>dick got raped again
This is actually the second time he and Starfire had mind manipulating sex but I think he was single at that time. Barbara might as well see this as an open relationship.

>Raped AGAIN

KWAB

Well add it to both their rape counters I guess

>Raven if one chooses to count it
>Mirage
>Tarantula
>Liu
>with Starfire manipulated by one of Trigon's kids
>with Starfire manipulated by an evil part of Cyborg (?)

>the entire time she was a slave
>Raven if one chooses to count it
>with Dick manipulated by one of Trigon's kids
>with Dick manipulated by an evil part of Cyborg (?)

Are they the most raped characters at DC??

>>153240443
No but you see Brombal is winking and nudging so it's ok
I don't get why Brombal & DC couldn't have just had the characters recommend replacements and then have them leave

I'm tired of all the rape in capecomics.

Honestly I'm not sure if comic writers or manga writers have more of an obsession with it.

>>153240443
Only Young Justice and JLA fans tell that.
The problem with the titans is that is the only ip were DC has a schizofrenic management.
One month want the main team, another want to clean the house and another has batman editors does a small dick energy and chimpout because they want their character back

>>153241176
You forgot He was molested by Irey west because he has no pockets in his suit.

>>153240111
How is Tom fucking Taylor the best writer of this entire volume of Titans?

His first two issues were practically Shakespeare compared to Layman's and this shit.

>>153240953
Bold to assume that Bette Kane could do this, and not just a girl in California

>>153241348
>How is Tom fucking Taylor the best writer of this entire volume of Titans?

Because Taylor had the right idea for the Titans which is that they are all best friends who get along and are competent at what they do. Taylor's problem was moreso that DC backtracked on the "they are the Justice League now" premise of the book.

Layman and Brombal on the other hand both seem to think the key to Titans is to do bad soap opera drama. Brombal also has a lot of hubris and wrote the first issue as if he was gonna pull a Morrison Doom Patrol or New X-Men and reinvent the Titans, but of course he is no Morrison.

>>153240111
Storytime when?

>>153241489
4chan is working like crap for me

>>153241489
>>153241765

It takes roughly a minute just to post a reply right now, plus the minute of cooldown after a reply. You'd need to wait 2 minutes just for one image.

>>153241765
Cloudflare is fucked, even posting without X is giving timeouts

Eve at the end seems to be what anon said, Terra's future heroine daughter is back

>>153241884
Eva seems more like she was created by Cyborg.

>>153241411
Two issues in and I'm liking Brombal better than Layman or Taylor, he's doing something right.

>>153240472
It's a clever little trick to make you think the writer is on your side.

>ooooooh noooooo I ejaculated inside a hot orange alien woman's vagina, this is so horrible

>>153242450
Is because barbara was watching and she is going to jail after thisto be raped and cut by angry lesbians at blackgate

>>153240953
She was whoring for Beast Boy

>>153242696
The problem being?

I'm glad that Beast Boy and Raven, the only Titans I really care about, are probably gonna be in the next Doom Patrol run.

(Well, less certain about Raven, but Gar certainly so)

>>153240111
They had sex at the start of Teen Titans Academy, back when the editorials didn't communicate

all roads return to orange pussy

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How would you guys fix the Titans? Truly. It's clear these New Titans are going nowhere.

I get the feeling >>153241223 is right and the biggest problem with the team is that DC can't commit with a direction for longer than two years.

>>153244587
They can't commit to a direction because no one really wants anything they've been offering.

having "justice league but younger and sometimes rule 63'd" characters is the worst possible way you can run teen titans and I hate every single instance of it.

>>153244587
Getting Hickman to write the book and get editorial out of backseat plotting the book.

>>153244883
The comic book industry never learned the right lessons from the success of golden age Robin, the closest is Wally but they fumbled him hard.

>>153244587
I like New Titans so far and I'm interested to see how things develop.

The real issue with the Titans is that when someone tries something new, fans get offended and want the same old thing despite complaining about repetitive storylines.

>>153240111
So who is the leader of the new titans. Yara or Jon?

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>>153244883
Kyle Higgins at least ain't doing that

I mean, I'm not sure if I like Red Hood being on the Teen Titans, but at least they don't look like a junior JL

>>153246224
I think it's Cyborg

But it looks like Steph is the strategist
Jon is the DPS
Yara is the tank
Eddie and Eva are specialists in their fields

>>153246296
Why are Naruto and the guy from jjk in dcu

>>153246361
>But it looks like Steph is the strategist
>The girl who started a gang war is the strategist
Epin

>>153246224
It's Nightwing. He and Cyborg are the ones who are gonna stay on the team.

RETVRN TO ORANGE PVSSY

>>153244587
>How would you guys fix the Titans?
Honestly they need a succession of writers with a decent amount of clout. The book under DiDio/Berganza spent too much time with D-list writers after Johns and it hasn't recovered from that.

>>153244587
Hire a bunch of writers with actual clout. The Titans had too many D-list writers after Johns and it has never really recovered from that.

>>153244587
Editorial is almost definitely 100% the problem. Both Layman and Brombal emphasized editorial when discussing their runs, and even Taylor’s run stinks of editorial interference, namely Beast World and all the Waller shit. I wouldn’t be surprised if he left so early BECAUSE of editorial and he’s just too nice/spineless to say so.

And in general if every single writer and direction is shit for multiple years then yes it is an editor problem and is it an editorial/systemic failure for not trying to produce a better book.

>>153244587
Remove Nightwing from the Bat-office.

>>153244886
Editorial will never stop wanting to micromanage Titans.

>>153241035
Nightwing hasn't gotten a storytime here since the Tom Taylor run.

>>153248485
That’s cause it’s half decent with nothing to really get angry about or nitpick.

>>153248485
Last issue got a storytime and i did new titans, but since 4chan's cloudfrlare fork shit itself today, it was a no go.
but i will do both tomorrow

>>153240111
Best thing that could happen to Starfire is to keep her away from Dick Grayson. Then again, they put her with Jason Todd and that was also a mess... Maybe just keep her away from the Batfamily.

>>153244587
Go back to ripping of X-Men stories.

House of X / Power of X rip-off.
Titans Tomorrow hops through the near and far flung future of the DCU showing how the team, and the franchise kinda, is eternally cursed.
Titans Together destroys the team as we know it and repositions them as a distributed superhero "team" that's more of a fraternity of solo heroes united under the Titans banner.
Antithesis is this great existential threat necessitating the new status quo. Lean into the Abnett take where he's a Cthulhu type monster. Make him more of a gestalt predator haunting and hunting the Titans throughout time, so they need to change what the Titans franchise means structurally to defeat him. A little meta, but it justifies the new framework, which is an excuse to showcase the original Titans characters on a more personal level. Think HiX-Men where Cyclops floats around the X-Men universe with something new each issue.

Get meta with it, for fun. Make them destroy the concept of legacy replacement by beating the shit out of the geoff johns Titans Tomorrow evil young justice kids, because why not.

Also do a Tales of the Teen Titans book, unrelated to this, to tell stand-alone stories.
- Masks (Red X) set in the New Teen Titans era
- Apprentice set in the New Titans era
- Fab Five time travel to the DickBats/Blackest Night/Robinson JLA era and treat it like a horrifying How Long Is Forever style alt-future
- New stories set in the O.G. or Mal and Lilith era.
- Fuck around with time travel and alt realities and imps and what have you

>>153240111
Yara is still around??

>>153248792
Yes, because Diana needs her wonder girls senshi now that artemis is missing.

>>153244587
It's less not being able to commit to a direction but moreso editorial in general.

Ever since Titans stopped being the sales powerhouse by the late 80s/early 90s Teen Titans/Titans has been HEAVILY editorially driven.
>after Jordan Peterson left, the Nightwing mini that was supposed to set up Dick/Kory's marriage was cancelled and editors forced the Dick/Kory wedding to be crashed (so suddenly mind you that there were multiple artists on the issue to get it out in a timely manner)
>editors forced Dick out of the book all together and Roy was made leader
>Jurgens wanted to use Tim and had a fan poll backing him up but wasn't allowed to so he had to use Captain Marvel Jr instead
>Jurgens wanted Raven and Atom as joint leaders, but was banned from using Raven so he made Lilith Omen
>Devin Grayson's run was absolute destroyed by editorial, we'd be here all day if I listed everything but (banned from having Raven as part of the team, forced Argent on the team because she was Berganza's waifu, banned from using most Titans villains and having Vandal dumped on her instead [Slade was meant to have been leader of Tartarus, not Vandal])
>of course Didio wanting the YJ core four into Teen Titans. Bart in TT in particular was something Johns did not want to write and agreed with Waid when Waid said Bart got ruined
>McKeever said he was outright given plots to write by editors while his own plots were thrown in the trash, and at one point McDuffie gave him the ok to write Static while editorial yelled at him for it
>Lobdell was an editorial favorite during New 52 because he would write whatever they wanted. New 52 RHATO had former Titans teams existing but in New 52 TT, Tim's team was the only one. They changed RHATO in trade to have been some Titans having been a team but not called Titans
1/2

>>153244587
the titans have the same problem all of capeshit has. It pretends to have character arcs and "growth" which leads to dumb shakeups instead of just telling mostly episodic tales with characters you enjoy. There is no fixing this

>>153249634
>banned from using most Titans villains
Weirdest part

>>153249634
>Abnett was saddled with a Wally plot that was going nowhere because Johns was taking his sweet ass time with Doomsday Clock and then he was forced to change his lineup due to Heroes in Crisis and No Justice and then had to change it AGAIN due to the Ric nonsense. Pretty sure he was saddled with the evil Donna plot and Donna being clay too because he seemed to agree with Orlando and wanting Donna to not be evil clay anymore but DC still wanted her as such
>Didio had Glass write Damian the way he was towards the end of the volume because he wanted Damian to be evil in 5G

And as >>153247871 said
>Taylor is too spineless and won't bite the hand that feeds him but all the Waller stuff and parts of Beast World seem very editorially driven
>Layman said in some interviews he wanted an alt universe/future Mar'i Grayson to be lost in main earth and Dick/Kory would be awkwardly co-parenting while trying to bring her back from where she came from
>also he wanted more Dick and Kory interactions in general, even if they were platonic
>Brombal in his reddit AMA kept mentioning editorial even without people bringing them up so that's... lmao

There's probably other stuff and other writers who got fucked over that I'm forgetting.

>>153247871
You forgot Tim Sheridan who complained that DC editorial forced stuff like Red X or that Beast Boy/Cyborg fusion on the book. He also complained about a lot of editorial turnover during his run.

Ironically Tim Sheridan is the only reason why Jeremy Adams is at DC right now (he suggested him when DC was desperate go find a Flash writer), who now writes half of DC's books under Kaminski (Also why Adams is the only writer that references TTA from time to time).

>I wouldn’t be surprised if he left so early BECAUSE of editorial and he’s just too nice/spineless to say so.
Most likely DC promised him the Titans would have a bigger role in the DCU. Once he realized DC was shitcanning the idea in favour of Waid's JLU (which is the most nothingburger book DC has ever published) he left.
>>153249634
>Ever since Titans stopped being the sales powerhouse by the late 80s/early 90s Teen Titans/Titans has been HEAVILY editorially driven.
It was because Wolfman sometime after COIE spoke out against DC's proposed new ratings system (alongside a few other writers like Gerber, Miller, Moore) and DC fired him from his editorial position as response. Fun fact: it's also the direct reason why Alan Moore left DC.

>>153249739
>Layman said in some interviews he wanted an alt universe/future Mar'i Grayson to be lost in main earth and Dick/Kory would be awkwardly co-parenting while trying to bring her back from where she came from
That sounds adorable. Of course that would never happen.

>>153249775
>(which is the most nothingburger book DC has ever published)
I still don’t get why it wasn’t just A, B, and C plots of various heroes teaming up to fight various villains. Hell if they wanted to build to an event off the book it would’ve been a lot more natural to have that as a C plot before coming to fruition.

>>153241348
Because Taylor is a good writer despite all the seething /co/ does

>>153244886
>Let’s get Hickman onboard to put in tons of grids and inflate the roster, ignore characterisation so everyone just gives Maker style speeches and he can shill his OCs that represent transhumanism and other high concepts he is more interested in playing with than actually revamping the book and make it work long term

Great idea, anon! We haven’t had big enough failure on the book in a long time

>>153244883
But that’s literally what it was originally

>>153247378
The issue isn’t lack of high profile writers, the issue is that the franchise is broken precisely because fans and editorial can’t come to an agreement what Titans is even supposed to be because all the characters have grown out of the teen part but they also don’t have a good mission statement if it’s just “kid sidekicks all grown up but somehow still stuck being second stringers who just try to relive their high school glory days”

>>153250065
>fans and editorial can’t come to an agreement what Titans is even supposed to be
Again, it's more editorial forcing shit on writers, either plots, characters, or forcing a change on the book due to events/crossovers taking something/someone away (>>153249634, >>153249739, >>153249775).
There have been some issues/arcs throughout the years that had at least a lukewarm response but it would never last because editorial would start the yank the book around due to what the Justice League is doing, snatch characters away/push characters onto the writer, or force their own ideas on the book.

Like the Ms Martian/Dick issue and that entire lineup was probably the most well received after the initial first arc but then Ric happened and forced another change on the book and by then Abnett just stopped caring and phoned it in for the last arc since that was the second time a lineup was forcibly changed and then the book was cancelled. Titans editorial and Abnett should've been allowed to tell King and Batman editorial to fuck off and not do that to what is also their character and to do it to somebody else if they wanted that plot so bad.

>>153250189
If you’re writing a team book where the characters are being used elsewhere then yes, it’s the editor’s job to enforce the changes so that they are reflected in the team book. Morrison had to do this when writing JLA for example.

And sure, editorial meddling is bad and can ruin things but when Teen Titans/Titans as a brand has repeatedly failed to work for over twenty years straight now, despite the book(s) constantly trying different things only for it always reverting back to some form of “hey let’s try Wolfman nostalgia again because that’s the last time they were a smash hit” then you can’t exactly blame everything on editors as to why the comic doesn’t work. There is a fundamental core problem with the dichotomy that TT is supposed to be a teen hero title but the most iconic and associated characters with the title can’t actually be teens anymore because Dick alone has to be in his mid-to-late 20s due to becoming Nightwing and adult Titans is not something anyone is genuinely interested in seeing when they’re stuck recycling same exact shit they did as kids

>>153246296
Higgins always sounds like unexcited every time he has to bring up Jason lmao
You can tell editors told him he's gotta use him after his solo fell through

>>153250784
I get that, is been like 20 years since Under the Hood and no writers know what to do with Jason, the character is more a problem, even Hawkman is easier to write.

>>153250877
>no writers know what to do with Jason

This isn’t true. The problem is that he doesn’t have a natural place in the two main Batman books because he can’t be a sidekick anymore while attempts to give him his own book as a team/solo title haven’t been particularly successful to build a loyal following.

>>153248506
Maybe so, but the real reason is because the writer is not Taylor. Much like King, that twitter lolcow is a hot topic on /co and that make for an active thread.

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>>153251548
>dick gets raped by raven in his dreams
>tells starfire about it while they're both naked in bed
>She tells him about how tamaraneans have multiple lovers HINT HINT WINK WINK
>dick tells her that he's only into sex with one woman and that's her
>dick settles on still being friends with raven
>starfire takes raven to a deserted island where they splash around in the water in bikinis and naked
>they return and raven plays a prank on dick by sucking his face in front of starfire only to reveal she's no longer in love with him and won't dream rape him anymore
>the joke was starfire's idea
Starfire was literally telling Dick to fuck Raven and she'd be fine with it. She wasn't mad at anything Raven did. There's no doubt in my mind that she was open for a threesome but he turned her down. Hot passionate therapy threesome with Raven.

>>153250784
>para-social behavior
Who care. RH is obviously not going to stay and just here to give this OCfest some minimal media coverage.
>>153250877
Retards keep saying that but DC has known what they wanted to do with him as for the past 30 years, with a few exceptions in between. He is the bad and angry Robin, a criminal seed who must repent or relapse, etc... It's just that his fanbase doesn't care about that, and even if they did, it gets tiring after a point. Every character at DC has the same problems. Only the size of the fanbase and their stockholm syndrome differ.

>>153250520
But they refuse to address this head-on.
These standard resets force the iconic characters back into their adolescent team dynamics. Adding more sidekicks like they're doing now dilutes the core brand and signals to the audience that the core characters are incapable of growth. It limits sales and fractures the fanbase.
Titans shouldn't be a typical superhero team book, because the team's success wasn't in typical superheroics. What does DC's iconic found family coming-of-age soap opera series look like when all the characters are pushing 30? They never address this, so every relaunch feels manufactured.

>>153250520
>that TT is supposed to be a teen hero title but the most iconic and associated characters with the title can’t actually be teens anymore
TT popularity doesn't come from being a teen hero book. That is just keep the name for branding. You are thinking of Young Justice.

>>153249990
No he's not, he just delivers Happenings for social media in a loose wrapper. He's a clickbait writer who's doing comics instead of articles. I guess that makes him the equal of the average silver age DC writer.

>>153252074
You’re only salty because he doesn’t pander your tastes

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>>153242338
Not even this book's core audience (LOCG guys who shat on Layman's run) is eating this shit up

>>153251780
>DC has known what they wanted to do with him
Having a concept or plan for what happens to a character doesn’t automatically mean they know how to properly develop, portray, or write that character in a good or consistent way.

Its up
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>>153240111
Art is so shit

>>153252528
Even Reddit is shitting on it. It's brombover.
https://www.reddit.com/r/DCcomics/comments/1sjxf1z/weekly_discussion_thread_comics_tv_and_more_april/

>>153252834
Thanks anon
Confusing day for Dickfags, with Titans being shit and Watterswing's new arc being kino so far.

>>153253083
If reddit hates it, it means is good, they were all taylorfags

>>153249919
Because the JL book has been nothing but event set up since new 52 and it fucking sucks. And every so often they try a C list JL team and that ends up sucking too.

>>153240111
Is Dick the most sexually abused man in DC?

>>153253166
Why is he sleeping in a one room rathole and living like a bum when he's a billionaire?
Did he seriously give full control of the Pennyworth Foundation and his whole personal fortune to that stupid long lost half-sister with no strings attached?

>>153254807
The whole point of that arc was for Taylor to virtue signal, Grayson gave everything up to NGOs, yes.

>>153252715
>DC has a skill issue
That's a given but they have the direction and know what they want regardless, contrary to what retards keep parroting.

>>153254882
No... seriously, what makes you so sure they have direction or know what they want? It’s pretty obvious they don’t even give a fuck about him.

>>153254882
They cancelled the last Red Hood book in the day of release because the writer made a joke about Charlie Kirk and then stuck him on a Teen Titans book clearly originally meant for Damian as a panic move. They have no idea what they want.

>>153250065
>But that’s literally what it was originally
that doesn't matter in the slightest, it's still the worst way to do it.

>>153256216
It was very popular

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>>153241176
Not a comic but he was almost raped when Harley tied him up to the bed but he was down to fuck at the very end.

>>153256556
That also doesn't matter at all. It's still the worst way to do it...

>>153253166
I sorta feel bad for Watter and Spurrier.
Is hard to follow runs like Taylor and Jeremy's Nightwing and Flash because they are too "happy" so than the reader will reject everything becuase they are hurting their confort character.
There are exceptions of course, Geoff's Flash even though many Waid/Messner fans hate it , is loved by many(mostly because the Rogue were more relevant).

>>153256757
Readers disagree.

>>153255680
We had 3 decades of le evil Robin who Batman couldn't save is now either an evil batman or the prodigal son. I don't remember anyone arguing DC cares about Jason. They obviously don't, hence why they go evil batman or prodigal son with him. Those roles benefit Batman and maybe Joker, but not Jason.

>>153255745
>because the writer made a joke about Charlie Kirk
That has nothing to do with character direction and I don't see how losing the book would made them panic. The association with the irl drama, however...
> Headcanon
And? You're gonna be this damifag who cry because "Jason stole Damain's job"? Get a grip. He's not the leader or there to stay.

>>153257072
Readers also swallow cock and love fags. Going by your logic, those are great too. Kill yourself.

>>153241176
You forgot the earliest example - Dala DuBois.
She seduced him, put him under her spell, raped him, and turned him into a vampire.
He got better, obviously.

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>>153240111
Why is Nightwing the only male superhero this regularly happens to?