>>153252225
Please let me know how many kids 12 and under (which are the core demographic for western animation) know how to torrent

>>153252225
No. Piracy is simply the result of the content being too shitty to pay for.

>>153252225
No. It's a pricing / content problem. Manga is a lot cheaper for people to buy (in japan).

>>153252233
>torrent
Yeah ok unc lmao
Everyone knows how to google “ watch _____ free online”

>>153252240
Or too expensive to pay for.

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Is this analogy right?

lol pirating isn’t the reason it’s in the doldrums
Even at the heights of the MCU they couldn’t get many people invested in the comics
Too much history, too many shitty twists retconned, runs completely invalidated because a writer had beef with another writer or a writer just straight up being petty and vindictive
It gives little reason to care to read or keep up

>>153252225
No, don't be an idiot
Western comics fell behind on revenue a long long time ago and instead of finding better ways to monetize the industry built a distribution cartel to offload their failures onto local comics stores.
Meanwhile manga publishers quickly realized that the comics themselves would never be profitable and should instead act as advertisements for merchandise and "experiences" like licensed menus at cafes.

>>153252285
are japanese people actually retarded, wtf?

>>153252225
Piracy has slowed down significantly the past 15 years, so no. Comics are simply expensive in the west compared to manga in Japan.

>>153252225
If you ignore cuckoldry, yeah sure. I imagine millions, millions, of people pirating the latest marvel/dc comic.

>>153252284
If the material sucks, they still won't pay even if it's cheap.

>>153252335
They might. Plenty of people pay for netflix despite not using it a whole lot/not liking what they offer.

>>153252249
This. Manga is published in magazines, whereas comics use floppies. This also has the knock on effect that volumes are able to be far cheaper than trades. It's an incomparable market, as comics are more of a premium product in terms of their printing.

>>153252401
Again: manga makes no money directly, it's all merch and licensing.

>>153252407
Okay, and?

>>153252407
>Again: manga makes no money directly
That's blatantly false.
You're thinking of anime, most manga make money through tank sales, hocking merch only works for series that are already popular.

>>153252407
You're a retard, stop talking.

>most wrong comment of all time
Literally the reason Japanese stuff got so popular in the West is that people were introduced to it through the robust, and largely unpoliced piracy scene.

The reason it's now so much more popular is because Western comics and cartoons aren't made to appeal to the tastes of regular people anymore.

>>153252225
It is too reductive to lay all the blame on piracy. But he's also not wrong in that any industry needs investment and paying customers. People will often say we have a pricing issue. But it's also a perception of value issue, and a cultural values issue.
Japanese manga readers are willing to pay for what they want, because their industry is diversified and willing to give them exactly what they want. They're able to do that because the industry is truly diversified, manufacturing power is not centralized, meritocracy rules, the content is efficiently produced, and they're all very good at making do with what they have and accepting different levels of survival. Japan is also a place of extremely high social trust, cultural cohesion, and artificially low inflation, advantages we cannot easily replicate.

>>153252260
>google.
Kids now don't know what that is, and they don't have computers, bro.
They know how to press the Roblox and Netflix icons on their tablet.

>>153252420
>>153252449
>>153252420
Retards

>>153252426
>>153252449
You should read Manga Poverty by Shuho Sato and understand that except the top 1%, most mangaka are barely making profits and live day by day.

>>153252464
Thanks, Grok. We always count on you being wrong.

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>>153252225
>No one pirates mange/anime

>>153252464
The idea that people not buying comics will make the comics disappear is a complete meme, when Spiderman toys and merchandise make more money than actual Spiderman comics.
People who specifically want a physical comic will buy it, and if someone wants to pirate, it's not a big deal, and they should be left alone. Think of it as spreading word of mouth.

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>>153252495
That is literally every industry on the planet, anon, this isn't something you need to read up on, it's something everyone with a brain already knows if they understand basic economics.
It's like saying that most book authors barely make anything as if it's some unknown wisdom.

Anime piracy has existed for decades and it hasn't affected the industry. My father, who doesn't even like anime, watched a bootleg VHS copy of Galaxy Express 999 back in high school. This was literally back in like 1982 and the tapes were cheap Hong Kong imports.

>>153252463
It took off in the west because it was much cheaper than American shows, not piracy. Bootleg VHS were a drop in the ocean

>>153252516
Argue with the replies that are arguing the contrary.

>>153252482
That's you.
>>153252495
There are entire magazines that have a dozen series running and that go to 100+ chapters and rarely do those get adaptations. Here's an obvious example, Goodnight Punpun didn't get an anime or live action adaptation and is published in a pretty big magazine that rarely gets adaptations at all.
If you mean that they rarely become millionaires, sure, but how vain are you that millions are all you can think of?
Anime on the other hand is NOT profitable, and relies more on merchandising.

>>153252562
>that are arguing the contrary
They aren't. They say manga makes money, not mangakas.

>>153252562
None of those replies argued the contrary.

>>153252225
I thought mangaka infamously didn't get much of the profits

>>153252510
>The idea that people not buying comics will make the comics disappear is a complete meme
But no one said that.
>when Spiderman toys and merchandise make more money than actual Spiderman comics.
This is part of the issue. The industry shouldn't just be a small collection of huge IPs. Comics should aim to be more like the paperback trade, where writers can make a living without necessarily having a movie or tv show. The medium should ideally be healthy enough to be self-sustaining. Manga is actually self sustaining. There are entire genres of manga we don't know about in the west because they don't have toys, don't have anime, but they chug along just fine.
If comics must rely on merchandising, that basically makes it medium that only the big companies can participate in, which just reinforces the problems of centralized power, centralized editorial, limited scope.

>>153252556
That's the shit that got people talking about it, which then inevitably lead to a certain demand to get maga published in English and anime played on TV.

I would not have heard of Berserk, Jojo, Fist of the North Star, and so on, if it weren't for people who obviously were not obtaining these things through the legitimate channels.
And my interest has paid off for the license owners, because I have in fact paid for things, after being initially hooked.

>>153252607
Other way around actually.
It's a pretty large range though, anywhere from 10-20% per volume if you have a particularly shit deal to 80-90% if you're a golden boy like Togashi and can leverage your previous success and your similarly-rich wife to get an amazing deal.

>>153252480
>I am only familiar with the current youth through the window of "kids are cooked frfr :skull:" compilations

>>153252616
I think this simply isn't going to happen to comics in the current era, because people's appetite to sit down and read something (unless it's easily accessible through an app) just isn't there anymore.
Western comics right now are firstly written for an enthusiast market, and potentially given a second wind if they get picked up to be adapted into a tv show or a movie.

>>153252629
>I would not have heard of Berserk, Jojo, Fist of the North Star, and so on, if it weren't for people who obviously were not obtaining these things through the legitimate channels.
They all aired on were released in my country direct to market in some capacity. America is not the only country in the West.

>>153252664
I have family and friends.

>>153252225
Manga/anime took over because they're actually appealing to young males, which is a demographic that the western comic/cartoon industry largely abandoned, and also streaming services made it accessible. K-dramas got big because they got HEAVILY shilled on Netflix and women are shockingly tasteless.
As a wise man once said, piracy is a service issue.

>>153252675
Where was the Jojo Manga published in English, back in the 80's and 90's? It wasn't that long ago that we literally didn't have a good option to read a few of the later parts, because there were only very shoddy translations floating around.

>>153252667
>I think this simply isn't going to happen to comics in the current era
I agree. I'm not proposing solutions, I'm just making observations, which are in line with my first post. We have a centralization problem. We have a value problem.
Piracy is a problem, it's just not close to being the primary one.

>>153252698
That's me! I said that!

>>153252295
Yes Japan has a really weird (or i guess just different) culture about markets where they dont see refusing to sell to an interested party as leaving money on the table.

>>153252664
NTA, but what he said applies directly to my niece and my younger cousins.
They're all socially stunted, tech-illiterate autists who can't figure out anything that's not spoonfed to them via the app store on their phone.
Thank god I was able to show my nephew the ropes a little, he's got more going on than the other kids his age and at least understands how to do shit like torrent and what to avoid so he doesn't brick his mom's laptop.

>>153252709
Release Half-Life 3, you fat fuck

>>153252706
Piracy isn't the problem, the ogn that don't have digital versions don't get scanned so there's very little discussions about them online and sales are low, eventually they get digital releases several years later and get ripped when the modest hype dies down.

>>153252698
>Manga/anime took over because they're actually appealing to young males, which is a demographic that the western comic/cartoon industry largely abandoned
It's amazing how the western world just universally tells young men to go eat shit and die, then wonders why industries that historically relied on the support of young men are now dying.
Just fucking baffling.

>>153252726
Feminists are still in this headspace that we can and should simply "train the men to be better".
They're baffled that when they take away the fun stuff, the audience just leaves.
They're not going to change, because they themselves are low-test individuals who follow rules, and they cannot comprehend the masculine perspective.

>If the creators don't get their fair share, the content will decline

This is obviously true and you retards are ignoring it.

>>153252225
It's a huge deal. In Japan some show can sell 20k copies and be enough to justify it's creation, because people pay.
The big thing happening in western cartoons (and tv and movies and music) is a shift in how many is made leading to no one knowing how to actually make a living off things.

Anime became popular because of piracy.

>>153252791
No one is disputing that part, but piracy isn't what prevents creators from getting their fair share, western corporations hoarding the money are.

>>153252726
>>153252771
there is plenty of American masculine slop catered to you

>>153252791
Creators asking for too much caused outsourcing and American animation dying.

>>153252704
>English
See my earlier point

>>153252284
Or too "only on streaming" to pay for.

>>153252810
Where's the American Chainsaw Man?
>>153252824
Okay. We were talking about the West
>inb4 hon hon hon ze Franch...
I don't care.

>>153252810
Nah, in order to be catered to me it must not have
>Major gay characters who receive too much focus
>Annoying feminist messaging meant to browbeat me because some annoying white woman wants to bitch about how her sheltered life isn't easy *enough*
>Focus on weird therapy-adjacent shit like "we need to talk about our feelings" for low-functioning autists who use cartoons as a replacement for an actual fucking therapist/medication
The amount of American media that lacks any of these elements is extremely small these days.

>>153252295
kinda

>>153252806
>western corporations hoarding the money are

yes, and corps use every excuse to justify why they need to "hoard" profits - including piracy. Peter Jackson had to sue New Line/WB for his LOTR profits bc they claimed the movies "acshully were a financial loss" because they used fuzzy shady accounting to try to and keep it from him.

I'm re-reading OP's tweet and it doesn't even seem like they're framing it around piracy, its just the start of their talking point which is actually about creators not receiving their fair share.

France actually puts government funding into supporting the arts, including animation and comics
Japan's whole system for manga and anime is much more driven around supporting creators (even though, yes, it still has its problems)
Alan Moore's work for hire books from 40 years ago are still selling better than whatever current slop the same companies are putting out.

Manga outsold American products in the West because the ratio of good products to slop was greater. Its that simple.
No one is clamoring for Bendis' House of M like its Attack on Titan

>>153252815
>Creators asking for too much

"too much" according to who? If you were in their position, you'd settle for getting paid less for your work so some suit could line his pocket with millions? how cucked are you?

>>153252295
It's the same reason their work culture is so bad.
Japanese culture has a sense of honor culture, communitarian value, and extreme levels of hierarchal respect (honoring your boss by taking him out for drinks is very common there)
In terms of a worker, there is a duty to participate in the process that companies take advantage of in the form of "the black companies".
In terms of consumerism, this idea of obeying the market in exchange and thanks for a product deemed quality is considered a moral obligation regardless of predatory practice (ie freemium gacha, DRM agreements) and ownership of what you bought is overridden by a duty to honor the hard work which is why used games are stigmatized so heavily there.

The flip side? It's a two way street on honoring the "duties" of product and consumption.
Look at Dexit, when Japanese fans of something get mad, they get fucking MAD. When western consoomers tried to be wholesome with #ThankYouGameFreak, the Jap fans created #FuckYouGameFreak.
To make something bad or make such a misstep in a franchise as big as Pokemon is pure fucking dishonor over there, but subscription models, DRM, et cetera is considered just part of the market
>>153252318
This is also because the Japanese are really good at keeping what we'd consider "old" technologies or avenues of consumption alive. Remember that pretty much every manga gets its foot in the door via monthly releases as part of a larger magazine. So it's really good for new releases.
It's why they don't understand emulation or "I can't but it". Because its very easy to access older stuff over there.

>>153252797
The difference is that creators in the west are shameless about being in it for the money and the fans go full seal mode and clap like morons. For example Jeff Lemire and Dustin Nguyen got a million from Descender getting optioned for a movie when the first issue came out, how much more money do you need? Back when Image started getting some buz it was because creators could have full control of the properties when adapted and everyone thought it was the best thing ever and all we got out of it was a bunch of unfinished crap. Creators in the west simply have too much ego and think making 100k a year is beneath them but fuck me, how is 7-9 thousand dollars a month while working your dream job bad? People are out there struggling for 3k and are expected to unload a couple hundred every month just to "support the medium".

>>153252285
No, but the meme sucks and it’s only used to make strawman arguments, Gabe’s quote over how piracy is a service problem is more accurate.

>>153252849
name 5 pieces of American content that you consumed in the last 2 years that suffered from this

>>153252713
The Japanese have this weird mindset that stuff made for the Japanese doesn't sell overseas. I think that's part of reason it so long to export it.

>>153252927
if you were in their exact position and were offered the exact same amount of money, you would take it

and if you're going to claim otherwise, you're colossal turbo boot licking faggot. who are you trying to impress on 4chan ?

>>153252923
>Japanese culture has a sense of honor culture
Oh wow, the horror. They should just embrace corruption, theft and dishonesty like us.

>>153252225
No. Greed kills art.

>>153252318
Not to mention that half a comic is just ADS

>>153252931
literally how is it a strawman argument when companies do this all the time?
Nintendo have made copyright claims on old Mario 64 strategy guides, that they obviously have no intention on republishing, and that are in no way taking money out of their pockets by being shared.
It's just a weird control-freakism that we shouldn't have to put up with. If companies want to behave like assholes, they can be treated as such.

>>153252225
Aren't the Japanese physical media extremely over priced? A 2 episode DVD/Blu-ray costing up to hundreds of dollars?

>>153252956
>if you were in their exact position and were offered the exact same amount of money, you would take it
What are you even talking about? The Descender example? I'm happy they got paid, but if you made that much money from one thing getting optioned then maybe you can just concentrate on making great things instead if things to sell and make more money. If you have a million dollars then you're already rich.

>>153252936
Why are new American comics not appealing to people though?
Why, if anything, do people just keep going back to stuff from 20 or 40 years ago?

>>153252962
unrionically what is the value in letting your boss treat you like shit?

>>153252991
They're not good, but the truth is most weren't good back then either.

>>153252987
>If you have a million dollars then you're already rich.
not in 2026

>>153252973
I am talking about how the NPC response meme is always a strawman argument.

>>153252983
in Yen?

>>153253002
culture

>>153252225
There are some Japanese people so hardcore antipiracy that they'll actually treat you like a criminal for downloading old obscure NES roms. Not all obviously, Japan still has a emulation scene creating cool romhacks and emulators.

>>153253007
right, but they had no shortage unrepentant masculine power fantasies, and sexy women.
>>153253010
How?

>>153253008
See what I mean? Greed like this is a brain rot.

>>153252991
>>153253007
are you going to say that Invincible, The Boys and Absolute Batman are the "wrong kind" of popular?

>>153253017
>dude, I'm so cultured, I'm getting outraged on behalf of a multinational corporation who refuses to sell me a video game
Sounds like being whipped, to me.

>>153253031
I don't know why you quoted me and what point you're trying to make.

>>153253031
Actually, yes. But also The Boys is like 25 years old.

>>153252233
I was pirating NES roms back when I was in middle school. But that was back in 2002

>>153252923
So I went into this before.
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/153068249/#q153074452
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/153068249/#q153074774
This.
The Kaizen business principle. A notion that there should be a conscious effort into constantly improving not just the production but every fucking element of the process. In the case of media, the IP itself being the product.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaizen
That is why the Japanese make so much good shit, and it's also why Japan comes off as such a corporate hellscape. South Korea has a similar culture.
In the 90s and 2000s, US companies tried to copy this and failed miserably. Notably Wal-Mart trying to copy the techniques to instill exploitable enthusiasm and loyalty in the workers only to be met by their workforce participating in things like "company chants" in the most sarcastic or half-hearted way possible.
Even a lot of the "company mandated pizza parties" you see these days are built on this culture.

It's why you saw things like the infamous interview with the animator who makes the equivalent of $500 a month yet felt she had no right to complain because she gets to be an animator like she wanted. That is the mindset "do what you love and you'll never work a day in your life" East Asian value being warped towards making people feel obligated to accept poor working conditions.
A cultural weapon for big business.

>>153252936
>Invincible
>Daredevil Born Again
>Stranger Things
>Alien Earth
>That terrible new Spartacus show

I barely watch much American media these days since most of it is obvious shit or clearly made for gay people and/or women, so I don't have many over the last 2 years, I genuinely had to sit here and wrack my brain for like 10 minutes to think of 10 pieces of American content I even watched/read in the last 2 years.
I think the only western shows I've really enjoyed in the last 2 years have been Mobland, The Gentleman, and Knight of the Seven Kingdoms.
I don't think I've even finished a full comic run in the last 2 years since I don't really read cape comics.

>>153253031
Two of those are comics that are over 20 years old now

>>153253069
These would be bad even if they didn't have your trigger warning elements.

>>153253061
Nice. I think I used loopynes back then. Being able to play Super Mario Bros. on my PC blew my mind. I remember calling my parents into the room to show it off.

>>153253028
i'm not talking about greed you moron, i'm talking about capitalism.

Lemire getting a million for optioning Descender (source btw? highly doubt he has 1 million in cash) can be saved/invested in building a financial family safety net.

But the cost of living in the West under capitalism in 2026 means he cannot just retire so him and his family can live off that million for the rest of their lives. Education, housing, medical, groceries, transportation, utilities are grossly overcharged.

I'm not saying he needs to upscale to live like Howard Hughes or Bill Gates, I'm saying even if he decided to retire and just live comfortably in his home with his family in his class bracket for the rest of his life, he's still at risk to be devastated by some kind of financial setback in terms of housing or medical.

Capitalism has made it clear that the only surefire way you can survive in the system is to have as much cash as possible stored up for whenever you *might* need it

>>153253092
But they do have some of those elements.
Especially Mobland, but it's still good because Guy Ritchie makes a good gangster thriller since he allows the gangsters to actually act like gangsters and be unhinged maniacs.

>>153252896
The issue is the suit still does that, you just run into market limits if your solution doesn't involve addressing the suit and instead just continually upping production costs.

Getting a little tired of seeing muh japanese xwitter posts here

>>153252983
Blurays are expensive, physical manga is not.
A bluray there can go for upwards of $50 for 3 episodes of a show, meanwhile a physical manga/LN volume is like $4-$5.

>>153253056
whats the "right" kind of popular then?

>>153253069
>Amazon streaming
>Disney streaming
>Netflix streaming
>Disney streaming
>Starz/Lionsgate streaming
maybe your problem is you're only looking to corporate monopoly slop for your entertainment

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>>153252225
No because Japan always cries about piracy. Game companies and manga publishers have been stuck in the past for a while and still trying to sue people and whine online. There was a Shadow the Hedgehog manga that came out and the publisher was making statements about the west pirating their manga and translating it BECAUSE THE FUCKING THING WAS ONLY AVAILABLE IN JAPAN AND IN JAPANESE. There was a mangaka that had a meltdown online some years ago.

>>153252285
>Gaijin: ret us smerry gaijin have grorious Nihon products we no deserve because we are arr firthy gaijin piggu
GAIJIN DESERVE NOTHING.

>>153253135
I usually pirate everything, but do tell, where should I be looking for my western entertainment?

>>153253135
well, I know what Chainsaw Man is in spite of never having read it, because the women in it are sexy, and I see them posted everywhere.
I'd say that's the right kind of direction if your target audience is genuine heterosexual males.

A work that is nothing but goreslop and misery porn is for freaks, frankly. I don't vibe with it.

>>153253110
It IS greed, you moron. If you're seriously sitting there telling me a million dollars is not a lot of money then you list the plot. You'll never come close to having that kind of money in your life.
And fyi since you dumb fucks if today are all enamored with the billionaire dream, look it up, there are less than 3500 billionaires in the entire world.
The rest of your post is just nonsense, what the fuck are you even talking about retirement? All I said is that if you got that much money from very little work (writing one single issue) then you won't have any financial worries in the future and can concentrate on just doing the best work you can instead of just trying to make something you can option again and make more millions.
For fucks sake we laughed at Latrell Sprewell 20 years ago for turning down a 3 year/21 million dollar contract because "I gotta feed my kids" and now you losers are saying only billionaires are rich, you say that unironically despite you shitting yourself every and not being able to put a grand aside every month. Don't reply if you're going to double down. Fuck you.

>>153253114
I meant the other group.

>>153253069
Oh, I forgot to add, I also like Primal and Common Side Effects on the /co/ side.

>>153253152
do you like comics? there's plenty of options from Image, Dark Horse, Mad Cave, and other non Big 2 publishers

>>153253157
Terrifier is hugely popular and the exact opposite of "woke"

>>153253110
Dumb commie. Your ilk should be deported into a communist shithole.

>>153253186
look at you getting all emotional

>>153253206
>there's plenty of options from Image, Dark Horse, Mad Cave, and other non Big 2 publishers
Not good ones.

>>153252463
>The reason it's now so much more popular is because Western comics and cartoons aren't made to appeal to the tastes of regular people anymore.

Can't think of any anime as popular as Arcane or even KPop Demon Hunters at the moment
>>153252991
Absolute Batman is currently out selling many manga series

>>153253206
Terrifier is gore slop for freaks.

>>153252815
>American animation dying.
Define "American" animation

>>153253206
>do you like comics?
I'm not averse to them, but I don't keep up with them as much these days.
I'm still mildly traumatized by the absolute state of I Hate Fairyland, so I haven't been paying much attention to Image recently.
My comic tastes tend to veer away into weird territory, most of the stuff that got me into comics was weird webcomic stuff that I discovered on /co/ back when this board still talked about comics, stuff like Chris Ware's books, Megg Mogg & Owl, Demon, Prison Pit, etc. etc.

>>153253236
>Can't think of any anime as popular as Arcane or even KPop Demon Hunters at the moment
You cannot be fucking serious.

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>>153253236
>Can't think of any anime as popular as Arcane or even KPop Demon Hunters at the moment
Anon, Arcane isn't popular right now, the show ended like 2 years ago.
And the Demon Slayer movie that came out last year literally made more money at the worldwide box office than the last Batman movie.

>>153252962
>>153253002
People misunderstand what "honor culture" is or how it really works.
Because it's basically "reputation culture", an informal social credit system in which your name must be defended or you must fall in line to preserve your social standing.
Japan infamously tries to hide a shit ton of bad things about the country, the suicide rate is so high because there's a social killzone defined by things like failure to live up to expectations and its even documented that some people have waltzed off and left their lives behind after something like, not even failing but not getting as high a grade as you wanted on a college exam.
>>153253063
Now to clarify, you can best understand kaizen and how they make so much good shit, when you look into Japanese historical values and pride closer and pieces fall into place.
The production of a katana has the folding methods and the bamboo.
Their architecture being made from wood and sheets as well as that one technique that let them sturdily "slot" the woodwork together without nails.
Hell, even the various kamikaze units in WWII.
Japan has a history of being a vary resource scarce nation with a shit ton of isolationism preventing them from getting resources. So "do as much as possible with as little as possible. Your blood, sweat, tears, and sacrifice with net an honorable ideal life. Especially if done for the sake of doing it rather than any external ambition" is a hardwired cultural value there because that's what they needed to survive.

>>153252810
Got some good examples?

>>153252944
>The Japanese have this weird mindset that stuff made for the Japanese doesn't sell overseas.
That's one aspect that really annoys the fuck out of me, they see dumb shit on twatter and think it means that the people who would actually want to pay for their stuff want Japanese media to be turned into the same lame, gay shit that American media has become.

>>153253283
(3/3)
Now go to Matthew Perry and all the Western powers showing up at their doorstep with shiny things while carving up all of Asia?
The Meiji restoration leaned hard into this to keep Japanese culture alive even as it did westernize. The idea being "we did all this with so much less they have, so we should act distinctly Japanese about these Western resources so we can do better than them."
There was a giant push on historical pride in all the "cool" stuff about Feudal Japan and the work ethic. This done both to preserve the culture and push the Japanese populace to a position of absolutely hoofing it to keep the existing culture alive. This being the stuff that created the initial weeaboos of the 20th century and the origin point of modern Japanese nationalism. It was a propaganda campaign for sure but it was one that leaned into the very authentically impressive parts of the country.

Skip past WWII and towards the modern era, Japan rebuilds. 70s and 80s, the "corporate hellscape" stereotype is in full swing. Multiple industries across the world feel threatened by Japanese products like Sony and Toyota. When suddenly stuff like Sony, Nintendo, and anime, J-pop roar onto the scene in ways we hadn't quite seen. Stuff like sushi becomes a major fad in the 2000s health craze in the USA.
For Japan, this is hugely important because again, they love honor and reputation.
No longer is it just traditional old-school Japan that's cool. Japan itself, in the modern day, has massive soft power that rivals its enemy turned ally. Anime is a soft power thing, cars and tech are goldmines, video games are both.
So now it's a moral obligation to make sure this shit is well advertised and well sold in the West

Thus, kaizen and other Japanese industry norms get cranked to fucking 11 even outside of Japan.
Make the product better, make the distribution better, make the licensed products better, make the advertising better. Always stay on top.

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>>153252285
they were never gonna buy the product and will just hop onto a new excuse if you try to satisfy them. pirates want two things, 1. free stuff and 2. to complain when they don't get stuff for free

>>153253471
If you're an enthusiast, it's usually both though.
I *do* want things for free, and I *do* want to buy things.
You think I just never buy books or video games?
In some cases I pirate a thing, and then I buy it, because it's so good I want to experience it "for real".

And in the very specific case of this Nier game, yeah, I think people would have been very happy to pay to play it legitimately on Square's servers, and to support the production of more Nier games.

>>153252285
>pirating vidya is like raping someone then not marrying them
those crazy nips sure are funny

>>153253252
Arcane was the most viewed show on netflix twice and eclipsed Daima and Dandadan
>>153253280
Yeah Zootopia 2 made way more money that Demon Slayer and anon claimed that Western cartoons aren't appealing to regular people

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>>153253608
>Arcane was the most viewed show on netflix twice
Anon, it peaked at like 7.4 million viewers a week.
DDD on Netflix peaked at around 3.2 million viewers a week at the same time, and unlike Arcane it's not a Netflix exclusive in the west.
I don't know why you're saying this like we can't just go look at the numbers that Netflix provides right on their own website.
Arcane ain't nearly as popular as you think it is.

>>153253283
>the suicide rate is so high
Not really. USA suicide rate is close.

>>153252848
>Where's the American Chainsaw Man?
Nta I guess Invincible, it appeals to the same gore addicted crowd
>>153253157
>because the women in it are sexy,
Meh, we live in a period where any fictional female character gets sexed up for the consumption of mentally ill porn addicts

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>>153253684
Even worse, America's suicide rate is now higher than Japan's.

>>153253463
One more thing.
If you're wondering where all the kawaii, moe, ecchi really came from.
Kawaii definitely started with the post war rebuild. It's always been about providing escapism and comfort in hard times ("Pon Pon Pon" and the 2011 Fukushima meltdown) but the answer to how prevalent it got is in the 80s and 90s.
Go to the 80s and the biggest manga and movie heroes are masculine. Stuff like Fist of the North Star and City Hunter are machismo as hell. Japan's economy is doing the whole "economic miracle" thing, and then they fuck up, they move in on American industries, buy major us companies, and sell low to corner multiple markets. Uncle Sam gives them a massive economic backhand which sends them hurdling downward. Cue "The Lost Decade".
They just watched decades of hard work and peak national ambition get knocked the fuck out in a few years. That shit mindbroke their population during a recession and making things cuter and prettier was a means of ensuring the populace had something uplifting to cope. Even ads for government projects were made "cute" to help.
Combine that with Western influence on the culture and they'd been introduced to western pornography, which brought something out of a historically extremely sexually repressed nation, boosting eroge and eventually leading into ecchi.

They already had a pretty big emphasis on beauty but now it served a purpose of uplifting and even as things calmed down, the country had effectively mastered the art of escapism.
Pop culture in general is perfected over there in terms of integration. Like, you don't see Chris Evans throwing the opening pitch at a baseball game, but Godzilla, Pikachu, Sadako, Kayako and Toshio have all done it and that's literally off the top of my head.
Kaizen demands pop culture loom as advertisement and kawaii demands you make it all cute and fun.

>>153253731
Says 2021 there, I think 2025 Japan has higher but they're so close it's silly to argue about.

>>153253728
Well, I really don't rate Chainsaw Man but its significantly better than Invincible.

>>153253741
>Like, you don't see Chris Evans throwing the opening pitch at a baseball game
But you see way bigger celebrities like 50 cent do it. Chrissy boy just isn't famous enough.

>>153252225
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>>153252616
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>>153252706
Piracy is objectively good for preservation
Not every act of piracy is a lost sale
People have varying valid reasons to pirate concerning distribution, accessibility, second hand market prices, etc
But anything that has benefitted from the word of mouth from piracy never needed said word of mouth to begin with to be profitable in the first place.
At the very least, within comics and cartoons.

>>153252225
No because anime and manga get pirated exponentially more than western comics and cartoons. There aren't dedicated sites to pirate cartoon specifically, you can't find 1080p torrents of most shows and former sites never transitioned to legitimate like Crunchyroll.
Oh yeah also, twitter screenshot thread KYS.

>>153253130
what, you don't like all the impotent takeshi seethe? for shame

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>>153252225
If people were stuck buying physical media for their anime, the average gaijin would have no idea what the fuck an anime even is because nobody outside the most diehard collector is spending $200 to watch Evangelion on VHS.

>>153253728
>Nta I guess Invincible
Invincible has way too much focus on relationship drama and way too much horrible animation for that to be true.
As ugly as CSM's TV show was at times, it's still miles ahead of anything in Invincible.

>>153253660
You now I'm talking about ANIMATED shows right?
>DDD on Netflix peaked at around 3.2 million viewers a week at the same time, and unlike Arcane it's not a Netflix exclusive in the west.
Most people probably watched the show on Netflix + Arcane trailers have a lot more viewers

>>153253728
>Nta I guess Invincible, it appeals to the same gore addicted crowd
Not really at all. Both series have a lot more going on than gore, you know.

>>153253897
>Most people probably watched the show on Netflix
No, chances are more people watched the show on Crunchyroll than on Netflix in the west, most of the views on Netflix for anime aren't from westerners these days.

>>153253684
>>153253731
Okay, so the Japan suicide thing.
Here's the thing.
When you get to the US suicide rate, for the longest time, it was almost always gonna be something like a divorce, economic factors, et cetera. The world completely closing in on someone.

Japan is a bit different. It's not just their rate but the reasons and it comes back to that honor culture.
Japanese culture has this concept of "the decisive moment", that is to say in Japanese culture there is seldom such a thing as "a late bloomer". There's not as much value around the idea of "well, things just didn't work out."
This is where the whole "suicide to restore my honor" thing really comes in.
They do NOT take failure well. Their university and job market is hyper competitive and the aforementioned values means falling below a certain point is considered a moral failure as much as a personal one. Like, with the college exam example. If they set out to get an "A", they consider it moral failing to get a B+.
And it's kinda deliberate. This is what Assassination Classroom was satirizing.
>>153253797
I was thinking moreso in the vein of a marvel promo.
MCU tie-in and promotional, as much as people made fun of it, is fucking light compared to how hard a major Japanese release will go in Japan.
Here, look at this
https://godzilla.com/collections/all/products/godzilla-hammer
https://godzilla.com/collections/all/products/godzilla-home-kitchen-knife
https://godzilla.com/collections/all/products/godzilla-cutting-board
https://godzilla.com/blogs/news/godzilla-store-japan-drop-new-exclusives-for-may-2024?_pos=1&_sid=a32c0a634&_ss=r
https://godzilla.com/products/godzilla-red-white-keycap-set?_pos=15&_sid=6e4be4ad8&_ss=r

These are all official licensed products for the Godzilla store. You do not fucking get that with any major Western franchise. Star Wars didn't go this crazy with merchandise and tie-ins. The Japanese go nuts with promo material

>>153254000
You sure talk a lot of babble about a country you never lived in, trying to describe society despite not being part of said society. It's pretty pathetic and comes off as a massive cope when you were faced with the hard evidence that USA has a higher suicide rate

>>153253779
Wasn't really talking about quality they are both pretty mediocre in terms of story
>>153253885
Invincible has way too much focus on relationship drama
So does Chainsaw
>way too much horrible animation
CSM part 2 manga looks like shit that didn't stopped it for being popular among action and gore addict

>>153254000
Another example
https://youtube.com/shorts/IAw06PMfDkM?si=QS6w9rZaUY3Ch1_P
Free consumer products based on your favorite anime bundled in with a fucking monthly magazine subscription.
A fucking Frieren mug warmer and pikachu alarm clock, free with a magazine purchase.

What I'm demonstrating is they will gladly do this or sell certain items at a low profit in the vein of serving the brand itself.
That is a huge element of Japan's success. Like, think to your favorite /co/ and what kind of merchandise it has.
Imagine if they were selling exclusive Steven Universe merch at an MLB game, did a massive publicity stunt where a Superman drone just randomly flew around New York City on a random day.
That kind of marketing does wonders on home turf. Manga, anime, video game, licensed product, they all advertise each other.
The subway is a huge advantage too. It basically turns their metropolitan area into a promised land for ad campaigns.

>>153254070
>that didn't stopped it for being popular
I was about to respond seriously to your post, but you're an ESL, so I won't bother.
Whatever shithole third world country you're from needs to pass age verification laws so you can be barred from interacting with us English speakers on this website without shelling out cash for a residential VPN that's not instabanned.

>>153252401
Manga magazines are also sold at a loss.You get the newest 20-60 page installments of 15-20 different series for $5-6, less than the price of two burger comic floppies. It's printed on toilet paper and is meant to be thrown away after being read, just like a newspaper. It's popular and easy to get into because it's CHEAP entertainment.

If anything piracy helps the burger comic industry by letting people read shit at minimal cost to see if they like it.

>>153254070
But one mediocre is way better than the other. I guess that's why manga won.

>>153253953
>Both series have a lot more going on than gore, you know.
Like what exactly?

>>153252285
Just put euro online bank options for the new japanese payment systems and I promise to support some of my favorite japanese guro degenerates.

>>153254020
I mean, I never once said the USA is particularly better. Like every post I've made in this thread has detailed the history of particular industry practices which serves heavily as the benchmark to why anime is so successful. Namely their absolute dedication to perfect streamlining of a process manga to anime as well as streamlining which projects get the most exposure, synergizing every element of the brand, and then leaving room in the budget for smaller IPs to get a share. Ensuring that basically every season has its share of critically and commercially acclaimed titans alongside the 12 episode one season slop.
It has a healthier sense of competition, a better streamlining for talent, and generally creates a healthier overall industry with more room for new IP even if creative freedom gets stifled at times

I don't get Japs. They get super defensive about piracy and shit yet they have a big doujinshi scene that profits off of characters/series they don't own. How's that not copyright infringement?

>>153252225
Someone needs to remind them it's been dead since the 1970s when dykes took over the industry, long before the Internet was a thing. Piracy isn't what killed western animation. Strict regulations & dykes are what killed the industry.

>>153254119
>I guess that's why manga won.
Except for the fact that Invincible is also a huge hit show and as popular as CSM and JJK

>>153252285
You could find like, six doujins with this exact plot.

>>153254182
More like the only hit show since there's basically nothing else in American animation right now.
Even Primal is vastly less popular than Invincible.

>>153254170
>How's that not copyright infringement?
More like how is it not considered intellectual theft. The answer is because it falls under fanart & the people who are making those doujins are charging for the time to draw the doujin & not the actual content itself. The same phenomenon can be seen when westerners making rule 34 commissions. You're not paying for the characters or content. You're paying for the time it takes to draw the rule 34 goon art of those characters or content.

>>153253799
checked & dubs of truth
The people who pay the most for content are actual pirates themselves.

>>153254182
>and as popular as CSM and JJK
Buddy... come on now.

>>153252285
It's more like
>I'll pay you if you have sex with me
>no
>okay I'll go jerk off
>WTF WHY AREN'T YOU PAYING ME???

>>153254253
Anon, that wasn't my point

>>153254213
More like the only hit show
Hazbin Hotel, Helluva Boss, Vox Machina and Mighty Nein

>>153254170
>>153254224
It's the Kaizen thing again.
Namely it's a streamline for the talent scouting process.
Thing about the doujin scene is it's not just writing fanfiction or making fanart. There is very often a competitive goal to get talent scouted and brought into the industry proper. Even in the capacity of making little spin-off promo manga.

Look at it this way, American businesses operate typically on something called the MSV (maximize shareholder value) model, which prioritizes quarterly profit and growth above all else, even tanking a business to make the profits good.

Kaizen, by contrast, is all about the company and the product, the reputation, the synergy, the streamlining. That's like, a moral obligation to them. The doujin scene basically ensures they have free access to a massive talent pool at any given time and lets them scout very early.

If you've seen the people in charge of a lot of big anime or manga, they're all either from family legacies, decades long industry veterans, or breakout stars from the doujin market. And on the company's end, they're not just "we liked it come work for us", it's competitive as hell to break in to the industry proper, so they're often gunning for the people who proved high degree of success within that market.

>>153252233
Billions.
>>153252698
>>153252726
Young males (as well as young females) want funny animals like Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck, anime/manga took over because they used construction when everything the west was doing was simple and flat, and the anime that did became popular was just as simple and flat as what the west was doing, that and what was going on in Japan is 20 times worse then whats going on here and the only time Japan ever did anything right is when westerners like Tom Ruegger and Bruce Timm kept them on a leash.

>>153252285
1) People have the right to not sell.
2) People have the ability to make an effort to attain something, and then dispose of their achievements however they see fit.

Which resulted in fansubbed Anime VHS and fan-translations of Harry Potter novels.

>>153254326
Only Hazbin and maybe Helluva are hit shows.
No one gives a fuck about Vox Machina or Mighty Nein.

>>153254259
Do you have evidence that say otherwise?

>>153254345
>maybe Helluva are hit shows
It gets tens of million views per episode it is a hit show and the only reason Amazon chose to platform Hazbin
>No one gives a fuck about Vox Machina or Mighty Nein.
Season 3 trailer of VM had 9 million views

>>153254238
You're catering to introverts, what do you expect?

>>153254441
>Season 3 trailer of VM had 9 million views
Trailer views are meaningless because Youtube also includes ads for said trailers in the viewcount.
Again, no one gives a fuck about Vox Machina or Mighty Nein, there's a reason they have fuckall on r34 sites.

>>153254469
>there's a reason they have fuckall on r34 sites.
>porn is the metric
If that was the case Ruby Gillman wouldn't have bombed

>>153254502
Ruby Gillman also has fuckall on R34 sites, I know for you since you're a third worlder from a country with a population of 40 million where half the population is too poor to afford an internet-connected device you don't understand what "hit" means, but sub-1000 pieces of art is absolutely anemic.
But yes, porn is unironically a better metric than ad views.

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>>153254170
It is, but their existence doesn't cut into the profit of the OG works and neither can they be used as a replacement for it, so making and selling them isn't persecuted unless the rights holder files a legal complaint.

Furthermore, their distribution is very strictly limited, both temporally (couple days four times a year) and numerically (low print runs) while the mangas are usually always available.

Wouldn't work with Capeshit, as it uses the same business model (limited availability, fan-created interpretations of an existing IP) as DJs.

>>153254536
>But yes, porn is unironically a better metric than ad views.
Reacher is legit normalfag popular but it has fuck all regarding porn
Mortal Kombat sells more than Street Fighter but the latter has more porn by a wide margin

>>153252927
Comisgate is a great example of that

>>153254565
>Reacher is legit normalfag popular but it has fuck all regarding porn
Reacher isn't a cartoon.
>Mortal Kombat sells more than Street Fighter
Mortal Kombat isn't a cartoon.

>>153254362
nta but you're the one with something to prove here. you're the one saying invincible is as popular as csm or jjk, wheres your proof.

>>153253136
> There was a mangaka that had a meltdown online some years ago.
Link?

>>153254362
Do you? Because you said something so insane it's not worth a google search to prove you wrong.

>>153253741
> Combine that with Western influence on the culture and they'd been introduced to western pornography, which brought something out of a historically extremely sexually repressed nation, boosting eroge and eventually leading into ecchi.
Funny how extreme/theatrical their porn can be. Like they have an entire publishing house (giga superherione films) where girls of different genres (magical girl, spy, superherione) get raped of get the shit beat out of them, I cant think of anything similar from any other country

>>153254238
How do you know people are reading if they're staying silent?

>>153254541
To go into why capeshit isn't selling, at least in relation to what I've said in the thread.

Aside from the obvious points, if you didn't already read capeshit then what about the movies, shows, or games actually makes you interested in doing so especially in this day and age.

For instance, watching major Batman media like BTAS or the Nolan trilogy, right? You now want to explore Batman media and assuming you don't pirate
Do you
>Hedge your bets on a totally new writer and staff in an ongoing that will be rated by the fandom
>Buy the Miller stuff, the Long Halloween, and various other critically acclaimed runs that have already been tested.

That's the advantage of the magazine model and "everything serves as an advertisement for everything else in a given IP".
There's no incentive to let yourself be the guinea pig on any given run in longstanding IPs that have passed through countless hands with the internet having basically rated every writer and run for you.
I know which Batman runs are good. I know which Spider-Man runs are good.
I know which arcs any animated movie are adapting. Why would I waste my time with current comics making desperate attempts to synergize.
>>153254693
Those are all pretty generic porn plots, it's more like, they throw way more fucking production value into it all.

>>153253471
I want Sim City snes on the virtual console, Nintendo.

>>153252225
>Did piracy kill Western comics and animation?
I buy a comic or dvd when I like something and want to keep re-reading it over and over. I only know if I like something after I read it in the first place. Piracy lets me not waste money on shit I don't want to support or keep. It's like hearing a song on the radio then buying the album.

>>153254731
Thats EA's doing, thats why SimCity isn't on NSO.

>>153254763
>EA's
Ah, so Satan is responsible.

>>153254723
I never said the actual plots themselves were super crazy (though again, I cant think of many countries that specialize in Ryona heroine porn) I was talking about the theatrics and professionalism, the direction of it all. They even do live shows for it, like a porn play

>>153254502
Bro you're using fucking youtube views as a metric, you don't have a leg to stand on here.

>>153252233
Tik tok taught em.

>>153254616
Viewship of Invincible related videos

>>153254182
>Except for the fact that Invincible is also a huge hit show and as popular as CSM and JJK
Invincible at its peak got outsold by Berserk

>>153255030
And Berserk at it's peek got outsold by Anpanman.

>>153254469
Ad blocks exist and the first season of VM had 17.9 times the average demand of all other U.S. series in 2022

>>153254958
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bfAVpuko5o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4yLeNt-kCU

>>153254723
>For instance, watching major Batman media like BTAS or the Nolan trilogy, right? You now want to explore Batman media and assuming you don't pirate
Do you
>Hedge your bets on a totally new writer and staff in an ongoing that will be rated by the fandom
>Buy the Miller stuff, the Long Halloween, and various other critically acclaimed runs that have already been tested.
NTA but there there's a deeper structural issues at play here imo. I'm part of the generation that should have watched BTAS and the Nolan movies and became big bat comic buyers, but almost nobody in my age group reads batman comics, has ever read a batman comic, or even thinks about reading batman comics.

In my lifetime the ONLY two IP's I've seen manage to turn non-comic media synergy into more comic sales like japan does are Invincible and Scott pilgrim...and even those barely.

>>153255030
We are talking about animation not comic sales

>>153255159
Ad blocks are rare among cartoon-watching audiences, which are tech-illiterate.
Those "average demand" metrics also count negative engagement, so someone replying to a post about a show on social media going "lmao, this looks like gay westoid shit" also gets counted.
Your Parrot Analytics bullshit doesn't pass the muster here.

I'm fine with westoids pirating shit but I hate how they always try to justify it like ''the producer is racist'' and ''this company is too greedy/problematic''
like, shut the fuck up and admit you just don't want to pay

>>153254693
You ever try searching 'superheroine' in a porn search bar, you'll find 1000's of western videos, pretty much every American pornstar did a heroine in peril video before they were famous.

>>153252848
So you aren't talking about the West, you are talking about America and pretending it is synonymous like the cunt you are

>>153254723
Capeshit's problem is that there is zero cross-marketing between any of the capeshit media.
The folks involved in making the game's visuals don't work in comics and should the consumers who like Marvel Rivals get over that and try the comics, they will find them being unrelated to their preferred interpretation.

>>153252240
Piracy was alive and well while comics and animation were very good.
Piracy is a matter of price, and accessibility.

Japanese anime and manga are massively pirated due to accessibility issues, lack of official translations, and official avenues to legally acquire it, yet it's flourishing, and the priracy helped show demand enough it got more stuff translated and more stuff brought over to be legally purchased.

>>153255269
Anon, it’s not the tag, it’s the execution. Those western heroine videos usually have zero fight choreography, interesting camera angles, and more extreme reactions to getting an ass kicking, if they even have a beating in the first place (most western shit is just rape). It’s not the same

>>153255175
I wasn't even referring to the official videos but the fan uploaded ones which are comparable in terms of numbers.
Also season 2 and 3 trailers made over 10 million views

>>153254898
That wasn't me
I just don't think porn is a good metric for actual popularity

>>153253741
>a historically extremely sexually repressed nation
imagine unironically believing this
amerimutts were so pissed when they came to japan because it was full of kinky degenerates

>>153252225
Anyone thinking piracy killed American comics is a fucking moron

Comics were already well on their way to a massive decline because of a lot of factors in the 90s, and that was back when it wasn't worth it for a lot of people to pirate comics (low-quality scans, target audience for comics still having computers/internet connection that couldn't handle downloading a whole comic)

It got way easier to pirate comics in the 00s and it didn't affect sales in the mid-00s (sales of comics went up during that time, even if some of them were ass). 2010s was when I noticed a lot of new comics being so bad it wasn't even worth pirating to make fun of or talk about.

>>153255200
>Ad blocks are rare among cartoon-watching audiences, which are tech-illiterate
Sure anon
>Your Parrot Analytics bullshit doesn't pass the muster here.
Yeah this is cope anon Vox Mchina isn't a big as Invincible but is still an hit show.

>>153252225
Japanese are buck broken cucks submissive to fucking companies and old men out of time.
Piracy literally helped the industry in the west for bringing more people into it and even acts as a archive for old comics.

Nips would burn everything down if they wanted because x company sopped selling manga

>>153255791
>buck broken cucks submissive to fucking companies and old men out of time.
That's americans.

>>153255774
>Sure anon
That's objectively true, most people who watch animation these days are retarded or children, who are retarded by default.
>but is still an hit show.
Sorry ESL, it's not.
Just because your country is irrelevant and you have to come here among us Americans and don't know what a hit is doesn't make something that's not a hit into a hit.

>>153252225
It is not, because piracy is what actually gave rise to the global popularity of manga and anime. Where would the community be without MangaHelpers, MangaStream, and anime subbed in our native languages? Piracy was such a massive force that the major manga publishers were forced to create their own official platforms with simultaneous releases and multi-language translations.

If anything, Japan should thank those early pirates. But looking at the actual facts today, it all comes down to price and quality. Why spend $50 on 5 to 7 comic books every week when I can read the same amount of weekly manga issues for free? The way Japan turned piracy into a strength is incredible, and Marvel or DC will never reach that level because their business relies primarily on expensive weekly single issues, whereas Japan sells a cheap magazine and focuses on volume sales.

>>153255819
>he hasn't seen the meltdown over the asuka special leaking, or the Nier server
Japanese are cucks

>>153252225
No, comics killed themselves in the 90s and western cartoons were never really alive and what was died due to streaming. This is a dumb bootlicker Jap trying to justify his stupid culture

>>153252295
Go read about some kabuki plots. Foreigners tend to get shellshocked the first time they see a story that treats the protagonist's coerced suicide as a good thing.

>>153255819
buck broken cucks submissive to americans then

>>153255853
Americans are the biggest cucks on the planet.
>>153255896
Americans are buck broken cucks submissive to israelis then

>>153255940
Spoke like a true Japanese cuck

>>153255964
Spoken like a true boot licking american cuck.

Japs simply have gaijin fatigue since gaijins think like Japanese shit is always free and yet they'd be moralfagging on Japs and Jap artists 24/7
Using some Jap art for a youtube video and such without permittion is pretty common and almost nobody cares even when the video gets million views and the artist says stop doing it

Complaining about racism and sexism 24/7 but of course it's okay for gaijins to steal Japanese art styles and make stories up about Japan and western '''''''''''''''''''''liberals'''''''''''''''''''''''' never gave a fuck
So it's basically a trust issue and saying ''uhm, actually, we gaijins pirating Jap shit and looking down on Japs are a good thing for Japanese industries'' doesn't work
That would never successfully convince Japs

>>153255896
kek

>>153252225
No. Few things get pirated as fast and as organized as manga and anime. For decades we've had fan teams dedicated to ripping and fan translating things nearly the same day they come out in Japan and there's no way they Japs don't also partake in how easily available it is.

>>153256035
Days BEFORE they were official released and you still have them, Piracy and spoilers are still an issue

>>153254630
https://x.com/maruyama_kugane/status/1131539149498986496

That would imply that people even take the effort to look to pirate lame comics for their enjoyment

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>The japanese tourist is seething that the West is fine with piracy and spoilers

>>153252285
If you have no plans to ever sell the product to someone, why would you be upset when they pirate it? It's not even a lost sale, you didn't want their money in the first place

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>>153254723
>Watch anime
This looks good, I'll read the manga to get the rest of the story.

>>Watch cartoon
This looks good, I can either read the comic of the cartoon I enjoyed or I can read several comics that have nothing to do with it.

The main problem is that the comics have nothing to do with the animation/movie. BTAS and Teen Titans were the only cartoons I saw that had comics related to the show instead of being something else.

>>153252285
Sometimes I really wish I knew Japanese westaboos so I can share them cool stuff but then I just think they'd get anal over how they're getting them even if a good chunk of the stuff I want to share is out of print and/or not available to them period

>>153253227
at least try to pretend like you know what you're talking about

>>153256165
Most of the cartoons have tie in comics. Only spec didn't as far as the big ones. Due to legal reasons.

>>153255824
You are a moron, have a good day

>>153252240
This, when Johns' Green Lantern revival was posted here it only boosted interest and purchases if anything.

Vice versa the vice grip some publishers have over the IPs and market analysis of trends is why a lot of the modern supposed editors, writers and artists are content to squeeze out subpar work knowing some ratio of brand recognition and collector psychosis will sell the product for them no matter what. If no one was pirating anything from the Big 2 the only difference is people would have to get word of mouth reviews and flip through what friends and youtubers cover.

It's odd yet expected though that someone only familiar with the situation in an isolated area would assume things are the same elsewhere.

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>>153253251
D'orc is decent, I liked how in the most recent issue Brett Bean foreshadowed D'orc's strategy to win that fight, reminded me a bit of Jojo part 2 in the way Joseph outsmarts his enemies.
Also here is the D'oc #3 I Hate Fairyland Team-up variant cover, I wanted to post it during the story time thread but I had an IP ban.

>>153252225
No, piracy used to reign over the PC market in all spheres, then steam came, delivered a easier and cheaper product, and now the rates of PC piracy have downscaled severally
If you cant understand this you cannot understand why piracy exists

No they killed themselves. Piracy just quicked the pace they fell into the hole because people got to see that they were trying to kill themselves for free instead of dropping a quarter at the door.

>>153252225
I love how brainwashed and cucked the Japanese are on piracy. Creators "don't get their fair share" if you buy it legally in the US because royalties in comics tend to be shit anyway. Piracy is also the entire reason anime and manga became so big in the US and it's not like manga authors get "their fair share of the profits" either since notoriously they get fucked out of any money made by anime adaptations, merchandise, video games, and the like and only make royalties on stuff reprinting the magazine chapters.

>>153257104
>since notoriously they get fucked out of any money made by anime adaptations
Which is basically 0 since anime adaptations are notorious for basically making no money and just being ads for the source material.

>>153256112
japs are deontologist, breaking the law even is bad into itself.
They get mad when people jaywalk on empty streets.

>>153253471
I agree there are a lot of pirates like that but the ones that are are generally turdies who are too poor to buy anything anyway. The thing is you either continue making zero dollars or you accept that by making something available you make money you weren't going to otherwise make even if others pirate because people will inevitably buy it. This shit is double true with /a/ stuff.

>>153256165
Half of the time when I see modern Western comics I'm shocked at how actually bad the art looks.
I don't consider myself a particularly good artist, but I could definitely draw that. Why are they not paying me?
This guy can't even do perspective. Is Robin lying on the ground?

>>153255996
>dude, pay us for your stuff that we refuse to sell you
Half the reason we *do* buy Japanese things is that piracy circles popularised them, as has been explained.

Plus Nintendo should fucking get off my back if I want to emulate a game I already bought 20 years ago, when I am still actively buying their games.

>>153256112
A lot of Japanese are brainwashed by corporation arguments. There are literally manga authors who believe that if you can't legally buy something in your country then you have no right to read it and they'd rather not create anything than see a fan translation exist.

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>>153252285
I don't think Japan should be talking about raping people

>>153257137
>ince anime adaptations are notorious for basically making no money
Hope you are trolling, no one can't be this dumb

>>153257188
Overlord author lmao

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>>153252225
goodest goy award

>>153252225
No, what killed western comics and animation was retards making slop.

>>153252225
Comics "died" in the fucking 90s.

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Don't worry Japan, I delete my roms after 24 hours!

>>153252233
Umm, you do realize the mellienials started pirating in middle school

>>153257731
Millennials are generally less tech-illiterate than modern 12 year olds, a lot of kids these days can't wrap their heads around anything that's not an "app" that they can get from the App Store on their phone.

>>153257731
I think his point is that millennials lived in a different time than someone born in 2014 or later

The youngest millennial was 12 in 2008 in a time when social media was Myspace and was going to eventually have Facebook overtake it

Someone born in 2014 or after was maybe barely aware of stuff going on pre-COVID and primarily grew up in the COVID era with Twitter, Facebook, Bluesky, Instagram, TikTok, etc and got used to using ChatGPT and shit

>>153257848
Oh yeah, and >>153257762 just reminded me about smartphones, the iPhone launched in 2007. Late Millennials probably got tech-literate cause they also mostly grew up without smartphones

>>153256077
Muruyama isn't a mangaka, he's an author. But your point still holds true and he is, in fact, a tremendous fucking faggot.

>>153252225
What the fuck is the japs' obsession with piracy?

>>153259128
Non-shounen/kids anime is carried by <10k people buying overpriced blu-rays and merch. If they stopped the late night anime industry would instantly collapse.

>>153259128
Collectivist mentality

>>153252698
The culture is definitely a big chunk of it, it's hard to think of much else. The west sanitized its <18 content as much as possible, and I don't mean just censoring blood or tits, but making the content simplistic shit with overdone moral lessons crammed into every episode, etc... Turns out a good chunk of the <18 age range doesn't want that.

>>153259260
It's kinda wild comparing what people in comics and cartoons think is "teen content" to the teen content actually coming out of Japan.
A lot of stuff that gets hit with R/MA ratings in America is aimed at teens and tweens in Japan, even recent stuff that's extremely violent or even features things like rape.
It turns out that teens and tweens do indeed like edgy shit.

>>153257302
There's a lot of them but there are some who are't uptight. The big example for me was the author for Sister and Giant who found out about the fan translation, realized it was incorrect because it was someone translating JP --> CN --> EN and started providing their Japanese scripts so people could make more accurate translations.

>>153259260
true. I remember when I started watching anime as a teenager and it was like "this is great. They just kill the bad guys, without crying about it. Sometimes women's clothes fall off. this is exactly what I want".

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>>153252225
never refuted

>>153259547
I like buying things to have them. It's a first world thing.

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>>153259781
I like having thousands of games for free.

>>153259797
I do that too. And then I buy the ones I like, so I can have them.

>>153255819
>NO U
It was so blackpilling to learn that the Japanese are really just submissive slaves. I thought Ninjas and Samurai were the coolest shit ever.

>>153252607
You can be like Naoko Takeuchi of Sailor Moon and be smart enough to negotiate and buy the rights back. That's why her company is involved in most of Sailor Moon's anime (and also HunterxHunter's anime) production, merch and manga licensing

>>153259260
>but making the content simplistic shit with overdone moral lessons crammed into every episode
Let's not exaggerate there are plenty of cartoons without a single drop of blood that had and still have stories as mature as some super-violent anime.
The Justice League cartoon was better than most Jump shows of the early 2000s.