>>153254311
Bryke are really similar to those dime-a-dozen anime writers who make anime originals that fall apart on act 3. They run on vibes and what they think seems cool, shooting from the hip and just running with it

The animation is excellent, genuinely one of the best looking things to come out of the West in a long time - it is then basically wasted on everything else.

- The original voice actors were replaced with noticeably poor diversity replacements. Considering how they are both available and all capable of returning to their roles, as well as a core component of what defined their characters, this is basically unforgivable. There's no excuse, Paramount are either just garden variety white-haters, or simply needed a reason to not pay voice actors a fair wage for reprising a legacy role.
- It's a boring mcguffin quest of a plot, generic and uninteresting. Things happen that are stupid because there's a magical excuse for it.
- Bad lore/worldbuilding that fails to avoid cheapening the world, but this is par for the course at this point. Everything "added" to ATLA seems to just take away.
- Inconsistencies with established worldbuilding, but again this seems to just be the standard at this point, people love going into this "beloved" franchise and then immediately ignoring the sanctity of any established continuity.
- Aang is, essentially, a bumbling idiot despite the fact we know he was capable and resourceful as a child. In his prime, he would be basically Superman. He's not going to have trouble dealing with a bunch of normal humans nor would pacifism make him incapable of stopping them. Other characters are similarly lobotomised despite being obviously wiser now - the plot can't be bothered to justify a strong opposing antagonist so just settles for making the protagonists stupid.

It's just another thing that fails to understand what makes ATLA good or can see any means of revisiting the story in a way that recontextualises anything meaningfully, let alone doing so in a way that isn't actively damaging something special about the original. It's a modern sequel. If not for the production quality, it would be barely worth a mention.

>>153254311
I came back to /co/ today for the first time in years because I heard about the avatar leak. Around 2014/2015 I fantasized so much about continuing the series. I was thrilled to hear about paramount picking it up a few years ago after people realized how many people still adored avatar when Netflix started streaming the series during covid. After hearing about how paramount handled the leak and pics from the new series, I am incredibly disappointed but not surprised. I will be watching the movie that got leaked. I feel horrible for the animators that put their souls into the movie, just to have it leaked and dropped from a theatrical release. The new series looks like it’s doing way too much. Post apocalyptic world is so over done. Late 20th century earth bender would have been so much better.

>>153254674
Animation's more a mixed bag, imo. It's decent in some parts, but others make it clear why it was shunted onto streaming as what makes a TV show work doesn't really translate into theatrical results. Most TV-to-Movie adaptations have that problem.

As for
>The original voice actors were replaced with noticeably poor diversity replacements. Considering how they are both available and all capable of returning to their roles, as well as a core component of what defined their characters, this is basically unforgivable. There's no excuse, Paramount are either just garden variety white-haters, or simply needed a reason to not pay voice actors a fair wage for reprising a legacy role.
I am convinced it's them trying to pander to the DEI crowd. Which would be fine, but a little annoying, if they didn't simply think "All Asians look alike" when recasting Zuko, the other Fire Nation individuals or the Cabbage Merchant (seriously, why wasn't James Sie brought back at least?). And tried a little harder with the rest of the picks. Everything else is part and parcel for the franchise after the original series ended.

I do have to wonder something about the casting though.Is this bad, or worse than the casting in the live-action movie? Because honestly, I think that might be MORE offensive in how incompetent that was.

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Muscle mommy Toph was the best thing to come out of this movie

>>153254311
Meh story. Voice changes may take some getting used to but the characters are older so whatever. Animation is fantastic but its Flying Bark so that was a given

>>153254856
Now that's just Rori from DKRPG

>>153254916
How is it a given? Nobody knows who Flying Bark is, unless you work in the creative industry in Sydney, so I’m assuming you’re a Flying Bark employee.

Flying Bark is literally not known for anything. And also, something like 10 different studios worked on this, Flying Bark mostly helped with the 3DCG.

>>153254856
Everyone is fucking yolked in this movie.

>>153255428
Katara is pretty normal looking. But yeah the rest of the gaang got /fit/

>no suki
>no iroh
>aang keeps taking hits (he dominated every fight he was in in atla) and only wins because of dude sex machina
>barely any interaction from team avatar
It's visually great, extremely so, but hype and aura can only take you so far.
You know, it reminds me of jjk in that regard.

>>153255749
>no suki
>iroh
I mean technically both pop up in the credits, but the Suki erasure is pretty weird.

>>153254472
This is like a shonen filler movie so your comparison doesn’t

>>153254472
>>153256116
*doesn’t fit

>>153255749
I don't like JJK but I think it's ok if people watch a show just for the hype and aura tiktok friendly action scenes. I've watched some things purely for the spectacle. It's a problem when something like that is seen as like actually higher level than it is, when so much of it runs cold with that made-by-committee-checklist feel

>>153254311
animation hard carries
plot is fine, good enough and fun enough

>>153256116
>set up ideas and situations that seem cool or interesting when introduced
>things feel stupid and start crumbling apart hard in the last third, the most difficult part to pull off right, and landing the finish line with good satisfying execution becomes a distant dream
A pattern that pummeled LoK and many animated series

Funny how this movie is causing some huge powerscaling ware on twitter between Korra and Aang.

>>153256317
But Lok is not like that, Lok just swings up and down in quality, never passing a certain standard and in terms of original anime there are very few with that many episodes(and those are usually pretty good) as lok. Also it’s not just Bryke, Dante screwed up as well.

>>153256364
Korrafags need a win after being Avatars punching bag for a decade and if it means treating Aang jobbing twice as actual writing and not so the plot can move forward then so be it

>>153256459
LoK's sectioned arcs where the 4 main villains each got 1 season for their story and were not in contact with each other follow the failure of follow through after a cool idea brought in interest. S1 and S4 as the most clear examples

So is the implication that benders get weaker over time? Because this dude was going full DBZ on everyone. Meanwhile in Korra the benders are more precise but seem overall weaker.

>>153256550
S2 was just shit from the start up until the end

the movie needed more katara's tummy and legs shots

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>>153256609
Seriously everyone drooling over Toph but I wanted more Katara.

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Take this with a grain of salt but apparently Paramount was NOT in fact hacked. The movie being leaked early was the fault of some dumb employee.

>>153256659
How do you "accidently" send out a full movie?

>>153256659
The "it only took one idiot" thing about this reminds me of that one animated short where one single man keeps spreading a deadly toxin unintentionally

>>153254472
I saw that Christopher Yost was the co-writer so it's not all Brykes fault

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This is when Lin was conceived.

>>153256774
I'm assuming Sokka and Suki simply broke up before the movie takes place

>>153254311
why are fans trying to convince that batista can fucking act?

>>153256253
Wasn't this just a fun reunion movie? If it was about the founding of Republic City or Aang's marriage drama it'd be a problem

>>153256850
I haven't seen a single person say this. In fact nobody even seems to care about Batista, more focus is on how off the main cast sounds.

>>153256700
I know that one. Hated it.

>>153256317
>and many animated series
and many live action series as well. it’s a huge deal for cartoons since in his prime he and his buddy were two of the extremely few people in the western animation capable of writing a serious series that stays good up until the end

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>>153256793
That's the implication I'm getting. Sokka was all over her in the final season and in the comics. Here he doesn't even mention her and when she pops up in the credits they're never together.

>>153256879
I'm not referencing the quality of this movie in that post, just thinking about how jjk got overhyped for so long because people are losing their grip on how to place different things onto different levels

>>153256879
Was it a fun reunion? They had a moment when when they nursed Toga and at camp after they fucking died, but other then that they barely interacted.

No one gives a fuck about Suki, the main cast is the team avatar. Suki would only bloat the budget.

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At least their relationship worked in this. I think the issue with the original was that Aang was simply too childish so the romance wasn't really believable. But now he's a bald chad.

>>153256950
Oh, sure. The Solo Leveling experience.

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>>153256774
No it was right after this

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Did uh, did any of these guys have a name?
I liked the yuyan archer girl, she had an azula vibe going on. Pseudo firebending and everything.

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How would Korra fair against him?

>>153257208
LDR

>>153256364
theres always a korra vs aang powerscaling war every couple months

>>153256659
>>153256686
You don't "accidentally" email an entire movie
That shit was deliberate. Someone was mad pissed at David Ellison

>>153257208
Remember when breaking earth with air was an avatar state feat? What's even the point of the different elements f they just function as different color ki blasts? Toph and Katara fighting together couldn't immobilize a guy standing in a pool of water inside a cave??? Pool of water into ice trap was something Season 2 Katara could pull off.

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>>153255428
>>153255478
Sokka's embellishments didn't really land when he's actually that ripped

>>153256793
>>153256774
>>153256907
>all this Tokka baiting
Eww

any links anon?

>>153256978
I've never been a fan of Kataang and it always felt forced and tact on at the end but this scene finally sold me after all these years.

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>>153257426
I'm sure by now you can find a few. All the previous ones in the older threads are dead.

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>>153257407
>baiting
search your heart anon, you know it to be true

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Toph was the best part of the moivie

>>153257522
>jobs five seconds after
These guys had airbending for what, an hour or two? So much for the greatest earthbender ever.

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>>153256774
Lin is wang fire's kid, keep up, retared!!

>>153254674
>Bad lore/worldbuilding
I try to give them the benefit by treating this movie like one of those shonen anime movies where it clearly isn't canon, just a side story meant to be enjoyed, but they insist on treating it as a bridge to korra. It's odd that they cant introduce new lore to avatar that fits the tone of the original show, and that it feels so fanfiction-ish.
And it's silly watching aang in his prime fumble throughout the movie because not only should he be much stronger than the child version of the main series but also wiser, but he was as naive as a child throughout and had to learn lessons even the kid him would've already known

>>153254816
The thing I don't get is why they replaced Dante as zuko's VA. Hes asian, but not Japanese enough to play Japanese-inspired fantasy race. But the new guy oddly enough is Korean? But the new guy is currently a trending actor, so it feels like it was just an executive choice to pick a guy who was more "mainstream" than someone that the fans actually like. But at the same time they fell in line to the new "characters can only be voiced by their race"

>>153257556
yeah that part is retarded.

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Alan we are SOOO fucked

>>153254674
>The original voice actors were replaced with noticeably poor diversity replacements. Considering how they are both available and all capable of returning to their roles, as well as a core component of what defined their characters, this is basically unforgivable. There's no excuse
This is partly the case. It most certainly is so with Mae Whittman, as she's still very active in voice acting. It's definitely odd in the case of Dante Basco, as he was one of the few asians from the original cast. But with Aang, Toph and Sokka's VAs, it was absolutely unavoidable as all three have long since retired from the entertainment industry so they had to be recast.

>>153257208
Korra would end up with her butthole filled with Taga’s cum.

>>153254674
Animation is great but it was clearly modeled after Dragon Ball, not Avatar - the lack of martial arts is jarring and telling. They did no research.

>>153254311
I refuse to support it because of how they screwed over the original voice cast for inherently objectively racist reasons.

>>153257895
>But with Aang, Toph and Sokka's VAs, it was absolutely unavoidable as all three have long since retired from the entertainment industry so they had to be recast.
All of three of them wanted to come back, and jack desenna absolutely is still active. Zach had retired from VA work but a fan spoke to him in the con scene, which zach is now really active in. allegedly he wanted to come back for aang again barring a few other projects he was working on. and it's become abundantly clear mae stepped aside for PR reasons.

>>153257895
Both Jack desena and jessie flower are still active voice actors, and jessie said she'd love to do toph again. Jack is busy with the dragon prince i suppose.

>>153257895
>But with Aang, Toph and Sokka's VAs, it was absolutely unavoidable as all three have long since retired from the entertainment industry
You're straight up making shit up. Sokka's VA has work as recently released as last year and has more releases slated for the future including reprising his role in Dragon Prince, pretty sure he would have reprised Sokka for one movie considering he's doing the same thing for another movie that hasn't even come out yet.

Toph's VA doesn't work as much anymore but like Sokka's VA has done work within the last year (and this movie was in production longer than a year). Not only that but one of her voles was for a fucking gacha game, I highly doubt she's only taking really important roles that speak to her or some shit, it's probably just she doesn't really need the money but again, I'm sure she would have done 1 movie if the price was right.

Aang's voice actor would also probably do the role if asked even though he doesn't do much voice work. He likely doesn't do much voice work moreso because he can't get work anymore because unlike the rest of the cast he doesn't have an established career as a VA, he was a child star.

Its clear this was done for PR reasons and MAYBE price reasons. None of this is even touching the reality that many of them already came back and played their characters as adults in Korra with only Aang being a new actor and they didn't ask him to come back either. If cowards want to do this racist casting shit they should do it proudly, they should disown the past work as unacceptable because if you won't its clear this is about pandering, money and imaginary woke points moreso than making good art. None of them will though because they want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to still do their Toph voice impressions on Fiver while also not calling out the casting director as passing on hiring them because of their races.

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>>153257895
>have long since retired from the entertainment industry
Uh-huh.

I'm a simple man. I want ONE thing from the animation industry. I want a good looking 2D action cartoon. I'm at the point where I've even lowered by standards for writing and storytelling, literally just dial back the crappy romance drama and I'm happy.

For whatever reason, a good looking action cartoon is hard to come by. If it's not from Genndy Tartakovsky then it's quietly airing on a streaming service and won't get recognition until it's about to end, and if it's not that then it's an occasional 2 minute gag from Gumball or Teen Titans Go. I thought them changing the voice actors was stupid, and I've watched every clip I've seen on mute (because I've only seen it on twitter where every video starts off muted, and blueboard 4chan where there's no audio), but it's got the one thing I constantly ask for; great fight scenes, so wherever it officially drops on, I'll watch.

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>>153257663
kek
>>153254311
6/10, would be 7 if the original voice actors were back

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I was a little skeptical to believe the whole VA shit but I guess this AMA confirmed it. Even if one or two of the original VAs weren't available they didn't even consider the rest because they wanted "authentic" casting. This is so hilariously racist it borders on comedy. Also funny how this only works one way too.

Glad I pirated it.

quite literally nothing in the series has been decent since the original and that doesn't change here

>>153257666
>But at the same time they fell in line to the new "characters can only be voiced by their race"
That's the problem though, they didn't. Toph is the only Asian in the film to be voiced by someone of their intended race, Zuko's supposed to be Japanese-based like the rest of the Fire Nation. By that logic, it should be a Japanese-American actor in the role, not Invincible. But I assume, like Bautista's casting, Yeun was brought in for name value (would also explain why Ken Jeong was cast as the cabbage merchant too).

Like I said, by trying to fix the problem, they made it worse.

>>153256774
lin isnt brown

>>153258590
>>153257663
Takes after her mother

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Move itself was meh aside from the animation. The slew of adult Toph fanart on the other hand was the best thing to happen.

>>153257358
Did you watch the movie? they say he is stupidly strong for an air bender and can hold an entire mountain with hair, probably because the little plotdevice staff gave him extra powers.

He is an overpowered non pacifist airbender, he has a lot going for him.

>>153258418
architecturally it's kind of a mashup, not just japan

>>153258295
good to have confirmation it's not this jenny person's fault

>>153257876
i'll get the popcorn!

>>153258699
All I could think of was that Sokka and Zuko to a lesser extent fumbled so hard. They both had a shot at that.

>>153257208
o i am laffin, it's as bad as i thought
this fight would've been over in seconds in that sort of terrain
>>153257358
this, just freeze his fucking legs then earth trap him, he was grounded for ages during that and easily distracted

Still kind of confused on how big of a timeskip it is after the end of ATLA and this movie.
How many years after the ending of ATLA and how old is Team Avatar in this movie?

>>153258753
Ah, makes a little more sense. Still bothers me they just didn't get Dante back. But I'm guessing name recognition was more in their minds.

yes, the movie is horseshit

ps: I watched it 3 times already, I can't stop.

slop slop slop slopl slop

>>153258878
I believe they look 20/25?

>>153258883
it does seem weird to replace dante with yuen who is presumably the most expensive one if he got the 'and' when they listed the stars on the title cards

>>153258102
getting worked up about this is not worth it anymore, it's over. The movie was redubbed and leaked before release, all companies will continue diversity casting and avatar is probably finished after this, seven havens could potentially be cancelled

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Stop looking at the leaks
>"If you want to respect the creators and respect the cast and respect me, and respect the art, then stop sharing it," said Toph voice actress Michaela Jill Murphy about The Legend of Aang: The Last Airbender leaks.

>>153258992
I'm not worked up at all, if anything made me mad when making that post its that the guy I was responding to was straight up lying to make his point. That does make me mad when people do it in any conversation. I also disagree, I actually feel like we're already seeing push back on this and some VAs are starting to realize it actually makes it much harder for them to get work, including people in the groups that were intended to be helped by this attitude. I have no issue calling out a liar and pointing out why this whole situation is stupid because I actually think realistically over time people are going to move away from being so stringent in matching this shit because it also just becomes less and less viable as time goes on.

>>153259007
She's not even involved in the movie, how is it disrespectful to her? She's just saying this because the entire English VA industry is a clique and you have to play along or you get blacklisted.

>>153259007
I'm not blind like you Toph, I can't avoid them

>>153259007
But she's not on the cast, she was the wrong race/ethnicity/nationality/made up collection of people who are from the same general continental plate. Also I'm going to have to ask she stop doing the Toph voice on site like Cameo, she's not the right race/ethnicity/nationality/made up collection of people who are from the same general continental plate to be doing the Toph voice.

Could a social media shitstorm force Paramount to rerecord original VAs for the October release?

>>153259113
it will get them to double down against the 'anti woke' and give them more ammunition. you retards never learn

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>>153259113
No, this leak already cost them. They aren't going to waste money recording lines again even though Aang is really the only one with a good chunk of dialogue. Also like the anon above me said American VA is a well known clique. Any old VA who tries to reprise their role is going to get treated like that Bleach incident and get dragged through the mud by other VAs for virtue signaling points..

>>153259113
No way in hell would any modern company want POC erasure on their list of sins

They were already willing to recast everyone for DEI brownie points, theyd never revert that after they already spent money on it

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Is there a chance for a second movie or will this leak kill it? It was already bad enough canceling the theatrical release

I think Katara should have been pregnant. and Sokka and Toph should of had sex so Toph also got pregnant (but didnt tell Sokka).

>>153254674
The best thing you can hope for in the modern world is for your favorite thing to fade into obscurity, or perhaps never get popular in the first place.

>>153257208
This is some pretty damn good animation.

>>153259956
god, that's fucking depressing

>>153258992
>seven havens could potentially be cancelled
dont threaten me with a good time!

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Toph was nice in this movie, big bonus is the massive influx of more art of her though if you're a lolifag it's a curse because the vast majority is probably just gonna be Adult Toph from now on

Also the Avatar-verse is one of the few franchises where you see a character either born blind or go blind and immediately think about how much of an upgrade that might be for them, like 2 out of the 4 elements could give you an amp when you're blind with tremor sense and that air current shit airbenders can do, if an Avatar went blind would that mean they just get Daredevil-tier radar sense by being able to sense all the elements around them at once?

>>153259007
sorry, she's not asian enough for her opinion to matter anymore unfortunately

>>153259113
absolutely not, that'd be a PR shitstorm waiting to happen
best you'll ever get is sometime in the future someone autistically goes over the entire movie with AI voices to redub the whole thing

>>153259551
sokka should be smart enough to be able to connect the dots between having sex with toph and her walking around with a preggo belly
it's why i've never liked the theories of her baby daddies being zuko or sokka or both at the same time, that would turn either of them into deadbat dads

>>153259113
The movie succeeding will incentivize them to make a time travel crossover movie with both casts next

>>153259474
depends how they react to the leak and if the wb merger goes through

things look grim tho, i give them 33/66 odds

So, i get sokka lost his meteorite sword.
And boomerang is his signature move.
But just give him a new sword in the final scene to make him a badass who saves the others instead of that retarded bike scene.
Dont even need him to cut up people, he didnt do that in the tv series too.
Just dont make him in to a joke character all the time, he had character growth in the tv series, dont erase that.

>>153257208
BEAST
TITAN
LORD
GOD

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>>153260419
What you don't like Sokka Rider?

>>153256978
God I can’t wait to see this in theaters

>>153257208
she'd unga bunga fire air earth and water blasts at him then get oneshot by Special Air Cannon just like everyone else

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>>153260419
Sokka got insanely flanderized in this movie, he went from being at least somewhat serious to being an absolute clown, it's like they forgot Sokka was one of the people to straight up tell Aang he needed to nut up and fucking murder Ozai

>>153260469
You know a 12 year old made this because the m night movie was reviled even by general audiences and has nothing of value

>>153260469
Shame most of the cake is in fact shit in disguise

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>>153260469
>the main with no taste buds and iron stomach

>>153260469
everything here that isn't the original show is either notoriously dogshit, mediocre at best, or literally nonexistent in the case of the earth loli show

>>153260497
you could probably argue that they didn’t forget, that daring to even disagree with their precious MC self-insert is what condemned him to the pit of retardation. Zuko was the villain for most of the series, and what did he do in this? Uber them around?

>>153260469
Does anyone seriously think the brown peg legged loli show is going to be good?

>>153260555
Even reddit tier avatar fans I've seen assume it'll be shit or so entirely designed for little kids it'll be unwatchable

Its gonna be a single season flop even worse than Korra

>>153260555
>>153260601
counterpoint, she’s cute, and i will be masturbating to it

>>153260555
considering what they've been putting out under the franchise name for the past decade plus it'll be pretty to look at and not much else

>>153258295
Dante is asian though. Why was he also replaced?

>>153256907
Man poor zuko third wheeling.