has anyone noticed cartoons favour the abusers a lot?
catra gets to be with adora
hordak gets to live happily
steven universe diamonds get to live happily
megatron gets more good endings than starscream
and the latest, tadc focuses so much on jax over the female characters he abuses
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>>154077993
This world exists to be a playground for abusers and sadists. The victims are in the wrong for wanting to defy the status quo. They should just allow themselves to be abused and tortured. That is their designated role in society.
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>>154077993
>favour
Anon, Jaxxy-boy killed himself off screen, his final meeting with Pomni only served to multiply his anguish, his corpse had been reduced to a pet kept out of sentimental value and then everyone else had their lives turned into one of eternal bliss.
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>>154077993
I wish gangle and jax fucked
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t. Marissa Lenti
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>>154079666
Also the thing he killed himself over, ie what Kinger did, is actually the best thing that could happen to them and solved everything, as it gave Caine a breather to reassess his approach and led to said eternal bliss
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>>154079665
Also I like that in the IDWgobotscomic Starscrem is revealed to be the fusion of the two biggest pieces of shit in robot history so he deserves to be treated like shit and cannot help but make everything worse by nature
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>>154077993
It's because those characters usually drive the dramatic tension in stories, so they're a lot more fun to focus on or write. They also often have the best arcs when they go from asshole -> good/normal.
Also abusive characters in stories aren't the same as abusive people in real life. By virtue of being in a story it's usually implied that they'll either become a better person, or they'll be punished if they refuse to change. All of the characters you listed probably fall into one of those two categories. Real life abusers are a lot messier and darker, they often get away with their actions indefinitely.
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>>154077993
>has anyone noticed cartoons favour the abusers a lot?
Yes, but Jax was never an abuser. He was treated horribly for what amounted to littering.
>catra gets to be with adora
Because it's hot. That's literally why.
>hordak gets to live happily
Because he helped saved the world or something.
>steven universe diamonds get to live happily
The diamonds did nothing wrong, really. Name 1 thing. "Oh no. Alien overlord queens are spreading to lifeless planets and making near utopias out of them ohhhh noooo!"
All they did was fuck up Earth, and they stopped after Steven.
>megatron gets more good endings than starscream
Aren't they both bad, and starscream just is disloyal or something?
>and the latest, tadc focuses so much on jax over the female characters he abuses
Well, acktually, Jax IS female.
Anyway, the pain in the digital circus has far more to do with the mental torment than the physical stuff. Time and time again, throughout the show, they get beat up and they don't care. Pomni gets stabbed, stretched, etc, and it's fine. And if you think about who was mentally tormented in the show by other characters the most, it's very obviously Jax.
The kind of comuppance he recieves is always disproportionate to what he dishes out. He acts like a nuisance, and then gets Clockwork Oranged in return. He gets sexually assaulted.
>b-but jax threw zooble into a volcano
So? You fuckers are willing to forgive Caine for making a volcano. It's silly nonsense video game shit.
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>>154077993
Jax's worst "victim" abused others for a living and tried it on the others in the circus besides jax despite them not doing anything to her kek. Jax's mommy was also abusive to the point it made him how he is. Jax does way less than caine but gets turned into a barely living pet creature while caine is seemingly accepted and loved by everyone extremely quickly despite having a whole episode dedicated to torturing them for responding poorly to the previous torture. If the characters themselves don't care about much worse being done to them it doesn't make sense bitching about what jax did on their behalf. None of it matters besides the fact they're all revealed as soulless copies.
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>>154081023
Not really since the games are just acting roles and they interact with other characters outside of them which clearly isn't intended. What they did was like genuinely hating heath ledger because you think he's actually the joker.
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>>154081101
>seemingly accepted and loved by everyone extremely quickly despite having a whole episode dedicated to torturing them
> torturing them for responding poorly to the previous torture.
Sounds... Familiar...
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Mad props to Goose for following through with killing the darling character
Most creators don't have the stones to kill favorites, though the fact that Goose clearly viscerally hates Jax helped.
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>>154080825
I feel like this stuff is the reason why we never saw Zooble come on any adventures, one of the first things she does is choke him out for stealing her arm.
With just about anything that he's done wrong in the circus, it's either Caine's adventures enabling them or nobody else having any agency at all and stepping in against him.
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>>154083505
>Mad props to Goose for following through with killing the darling character
Did he really? Abstraction is less death and more a comatose state Caine hasn’t figured out curing yet. Plus Jax’s real self is still out there.
The ending felt really "have your cake and eat it too" imo
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>>154083345
Beats being into Tumblr sexymen.
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>>154081027
> my hero academia
Never got Bakugo's popularity and never will
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>>154079623
Gooseworx is notorious for having a lobotomy fetish. There's a lot of art he drew involving head drilling alongside a recently found commission about the fetishization of abstraction and the resultant loss of autonomy. I'm don't want to post these on a blue board on a Saturday and they're not hard to find. By all means in Goose's cuckoo head, Jax got the best ending.
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>>154077993
Villains are always more interesting than heroes, yes. Are you unhappy that they get the better songs too?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87HAEkf_Li0
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>>154077993
Adora deserved better
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>>154077993
jax fumbled frog pussy and killed himself and the show is about how he sucks and ran away from his issues ultimately leaving everyone hurt all because he didnt feel nor did he want to feel worthy of being loved
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>>154080825
>Yes, but Jax was never an abuser
did we watch the same show?
jax made it such a slog because he's a massive asshole for no reason and we are expected to forgive how he treats others because he is le sad :( despite being in the exact same situation as everyone else who is held to a higher standard.
yeah caine is an asshole too but he's a literal machine
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>>154077993
Jax and gangle are both two of the most relatable characters to me to come out of a show within the last 5 years and i dont even wanna know what that days about me
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>>154087261
Nta but Caine committed the abuse in this scenario as the one with all the power using people who can’t fight back to meet his emotional needs using manipulation and domination to control their reactions. Jax was in the same boat as the rest and just took out his feelings on people.
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Besides Pomni and maybe Kinger, most of the circus crew only tolerated him at best.
Zooble was always open about not liking Jax and was only angry when Jax abstracted. Gangle couldn't even feel sad for him and Ragatha under influence of stupid sauce also told Jax in his face that she hates him.
He remained stubborn until the very end. Rejected every chance to redeem himself or talk things out and abstracted while the rest was able to find peace and enjoy their happy ending.
While Jax is also a tragic character, he caused his own downfall and got the ending he deserved.
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>>154087928
I have no idea what you're trying to imply. His behaviour is understandable, but not justified. Whatever mental illness he has.
Everyone in the circus had their own set of issues and the circus clearly wasn't the best environment to sort them out.
Constantly being forced on adventures, always being stuck with the same people and for the longest time holding on to some false hope that there might be a way out. They can't even die or feel hungry, the only thing they can lose is their sanity and becoming a corrupted file is the closest thing do death in their world.
Human Jax is doing a lot better. He could either pick himself back up again or die on the streets and is slowly getting his life back on tracks. Maybe all he needed was some space.
While Jax is also a victim, his ending is for the most part something he did to himself.
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>one of the first things she does is choke him out for stealing her arm.
Exactly. Zooble is the first to fuck back with Jax, which is fine and good she does, mind you, but Jax NEEDS to be painted as the bad guy, so Zooble gets little to no screentime.
>With just about anything that he's done wrong in the circus, it's either Caine's adventures enabling them or nobody else having any agency at all and stepping in against him.
Jax is still responsible for what he does with the power Caine sometimes gives him. My point was mostly that what Jax is guilty of is cartoon BS rather than traumatizing people.
>>154086623
I know. It's fucking nuts. Oh, you fucking threw an egg at my house and are a cunt to somebody? You deserve death by the bronze bull and eternal suffering.
>>154087261
>did we watch the same show?
Yes, but you couldn't see past Goose's facade.
>jax made it such a slog because he's a massive asshole for no reason and we are expected to forgive how he treats others because he is le sad :(
If you look at what he actually did and said, at least up to episode 8, he's hardly a massive asshole. He's just made out as one because goose hates herself or something.
>despite being in the exact same situation as everyone else who is held to a higher standard.
>yeah caine is an asshole too but he's a literal machine
Everyone else is worse than Jax, though. The actual torment people have to deal with in the digital circus is emotional. Gangle, Zooble, and especially Pomni were all awful to Jax by that standard. The only mature people in the show were, suprise suprise, the two oldest characters. And Ragatha still had her moments.
Kinger wins, once again. He always wins.
Also, the people in the circus are AI too, so we can't really just call Caine a clanker, unless we want to count everyone else out as clankers too. You need a better reason, like that Caine is autistic or bpd or something and his mental illness justifies what he did.
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>>154077993
Jax will be forcibly neutered and feminized by the fangirls. I don't think that's a good ending, but it's literally same reason people hate the "redemption arc" becoming so commonplace. Shows are only as good as their antagonist. The problem with a lot of modern shows is they refuse to commit to the villain and by doing this they either half do the arc making them be good or have secret good moments too early, or they force a half assed rushed redemption arc after Sergeant Murderhobo tosses a baby off a cliff because his mother was Lt. babytosser and he's a victim of le abuse cycle.
The reality is, if they write an antagonist or asshole too well, then the redemption or "secretly good" feels forced and rushed. If they write a antagonist redemption well it's because they never felt evil and then no one cares besides fan girls that uwu-ify them.
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>>154077993
I doubt there's any point in answering sincerely but you're mixing up a bunch of different bullshit.
Catra was a hot female villain, she was never gonna get written so she's irredeemable by her tumblr-ass writers because she was key to their idiotic lesbo fantasy.
Calling the Diamonds "abusers" when they're fucking dictators is really weird. What's also weird is complaining that the show about pacifism doesn't suddenly do a 180 at the end. You can disagree with the message but refusing to understand the point its trying to make and demanding it makes concessions to your worldview is silly. By asking the diamonds get killed off because it's realistic or whatever, you're basically saying "when it gets really serious, you NEED to make concessions to MY worldview, because yours is stupid and I just humor it". Plus they go out of their way in Future to show it's not that cut and dry and Steven isn't some Paul Atreides who can effectively rally an alien species towards a cause.
Megatron and Starscream are cartoon bad guys. In a show for boys. It makes sense that the slimy dishonorable vizier gets shat one while the cool main antagonist gets a cool ending. If you get genuinely upset over Megatron calling Starscream names I don't know what the fuck to tell you.
Lastly, Jax being focus doesn't mean he's the hero. It's a tragedy, it's a cautionary tale from the people who are obsessed with mental health on how if you don't do mental health right you die alone and unloved. I find it hilarious that she wrote this whole thing thinking it would please all the retarded zoomers obsessed with chuds getting their comeuppance and now they still hate her for making it like this, because they got one tick more retarded and now think you shouldn't even tell stories where bad people self destruct.
tl,dr you're a faggot
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>>154095191
>He took Ragatha
>and dropped her in the deep fryer
You looked at my post
And read none of it.
Yes, he did that, but in a video game. Ragatha being burned in the deepfryer is nothing like the real life equivalent. In real life, if somebody went through that kind of pain, they'd go into shock. It's not even remotely the same thing. This is not to mention the fact that there's no lasting physical damage in the circus. It's not like that now ragatha is an ugly burn victim for the rest of her life.
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>>154095130
That was exactly my reference also part of why I hate male redemption/secretly good. The irony is the moment a male character cries or has a softer side even villains or assholes. Suddenly they were secretly molested or raped or they become ooc in all fanart and fics. It's like hunter and belos from toh the moment they showed weakness most art and fics became them both as soft boys that could be fixed or who were just loser subs. It's quite ironic because those same people will say they want men to be more open but all modern media has taught me is that apparently women think the moment a male is low or weak he apparently is secretly trans or has no dick kek. The absolute irony that so many of these shows and fandoms do the inverse of the message they push.
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That they are. I really want to like some as well but most of the time they are so rushed or half baked. Like catra she was being set up as a main/final or the most character driven antagonist. Then suddenly she just says "I sowwy adora, I'm just gay" and everyone accepts her and she even gets to date adora. She has a warcrime list over 20 pages long. They actually had set up for her growth but problem is most series don't want their antagonist to die so they make these non redemptions. Same with characters like the diamonds from SU can't have steven hating anyone because he's the ultimate good boy. But these are genocidal dictators but they just apologize and cry. It's honestly mostly a modern show thing, old shows had redeemable villains too but they more than anything had "understandable" villains who could be redeemed or show signs of growth. But thing was they were compelling as well so it all looped around to being good even if they did get redeemed. A classic one is terra she is a likeable member and set up to be part of the team but time and again she has moments she could be saved/change but she fears rejection and this leads to her inevitable isolation and death.
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>>154095475
>the diamonds from SU can't have steven hating anyone because he's the ultimate good boy
I really don't understand why people insist in talking about the philosophical implications of shows they haven't fucking watched.
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>>154077993
Eternity never felt so sure in her life.
In her hands were the C&A headset that would allow her to escape her tragic life. Orphaned at 12 and passed from abusive family to abusive family, Eternity would not miss those cruel foster parents who spat on her, beaten her, raped her. She put the headsets on and susdenly the dark and morose abandoned laboratory and into the bright world of the digital circus simulation.
Eternity couldn't possibly be more happy. She looked exactly like herself except wearing a long gothic dress with purple and red accents, purple fishnet pants, black boots with pictures of Adam Lambert (AN: love that cutie) on them, red lipstick and black eyueshadow that matched her blazing red eyes. Everyone gasped.
"Who're you?" asked Ragatha, a fucking prep that looked like Rhianna.
Eternity merely put up her middle finger at her, making her and Pomni - a prep that looked like Hillary Duff - gasp. Zooble, a cool person with a punk look, congratulated Eternity by making the death's touch sign (AN: if you don't know what that is fuck off to a Lady Gaga concert).
"Wow, you're so cool Eternity" Caine said.
"Thanks" I blushed.
Eternity then went to the aquarium where the Abstracted were swimming in and touched the glass. Suddenly a cool pink darkness covered the room and they were brough to normal, especially Jax, who was wearing an MCR t-shirt with red blood letters. He touched the glass and his and Eternity's hands were united in love.
"She can't do that!" spat Pomni evilly.
"No she can" Kinger concluded wisely.
Eternity was merely happy that she and her beloved were together. Jax and the others got out of the aquarium and he kissed her passively.
"Oh Eternity, you make me so happy!" said Jax emoly.
To be continued?
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Yes Mr. Sherman, everyone's a Jaxfag
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>>154095475
>Then suddenly she just says "I sowwy adora, I'm just gay" and everyone accepts her and she even gets to date adora. She has a warcrime list over 20 pages long.
I agree with this so much. It drives me nuts just how quickly Catra was redeemed after being a massive douchebag to everyone. All the focus is on her instead of the victims
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>Same with characters like the diamonds from SU can't have steven hating anyone because he's the ultimate good boy. But these are genocidal dictators but they just apologize and cry.
He is such a mary sue, the diamonds bend to him so quickly because he's one of them
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>>154077993
imagine if SPOP focused more on the victims of Catra's and Hordak's war crimes
imagine if Steven Universe focused more on the gems that had to live under their empire
imagine Starscream not fucking dying lol
imagine if TADC focused more on how Ragatha and Gangle felt
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>>154095778
>imagine if SPOP focused more on the victims of Catra's and Hordak's war crimes
instead of how sad Catra and Hordak felt
>imagine if Steven Universe focused more on the gems that had to live under their empire
instead of how sad the Diamonds felt
>imagine if TADC focused more on how Ragatha and Gangle felt
instead of spending so much screentime on how sad Jax felt
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>>154095705
I dont know if the Diamonds reneging power is such a great idea when a huge number of gems are naturally hierarchical and emotionally unstable super-soldiers. This just seems like its creating the preconditions for a power seeker to fill the void left by the diamond's authority
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>>154084461
Fujos, plus he's the cool edgy rival to the protagonist
What I want to know is why everyone is so autistic about Bakugo, calling him a bully and a violent future villain. He's comic relief, he spouts "I'M GOING TO MURDER YOU!" and everyone else just waves it away like he's embarrassing the class. If the characters and setting don't take him seriously why should I?
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>>154077993
>catra gets to be with adora
How the fuck did this make the cut?
> Catra mistreating Adora for 16 minutes (reupload)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PmtsHtqsso
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>>154084855
Kinda hilarious using Cassandra as an example in this conversation, since Tangled is one of the few ips which explicitly condemns the MC's abuser. This condemnation in turn, is what led to Cass siding with Gothel (the abuser) over her best friend Rapunzel (the victim) being one of if not the biggest points of criticisms from the TV series.
TLDR; Rapunzel > Keksandra
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>>154096753
The cartoon violence is just a metaphor. Jax represents those evil people who don't talk and act like the Hivemind (politically conscious zoomers) and Gaggle and Ragatha are the oppressed little angels who in real life shun and discredit anyone who pushes back even slightly against their nonsense because "they feel unsafe". They can politely and calmly exploit you as much as they want but get even slightly angry at them and suddenly you are the bad guy and responsible for everyone else's issues. The characters who literally fucking acked themselves because Jax "wouldn't open up" are how these people actually see the world. There is a google doc released every week or so by some tranny whose biggest accusations is "this person isn't mentally healthing right" and it's framed like they got fucking raped. Even if unconsciously, the moral of TADC is a cautionary tale on how to deal with these people. You either play their game or you're cast away and left to go insane from the sense of being abandoned, which is exactly what they want.
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>>154097214
That's right gurl, every time someone is angry at you or being sarcastic they're just using their wicked narcissism magicks to hecking abuse you. You go spot those red flags sista :nailpolishemoji:
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>Caine has infinite godlike power but it's implied everyone abstracted because of his neglect and their own personal issues
>Jax is a peer of the other players and they are shown to tie him up if he gets too annoying but we know he personally abstracted both of his friends
Which is more evil?
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>>154097429
Yes. And that's beautiful. But it's not an excuse for being problematic. And that's ok. And we must all be better and improve and grow and move on. But we need to address what we moved on from. And that's fine. If you're not willing to put in the reparatory work for the uncountable damage you caused you simply cannot be forgiven. But you aren't owed forgiveness. But you must seek out forgiveness. And that's wonderful. We all hurt the ones we love the most and you WILL have fucked up children BECAUSE you did not want to fuck them up like your parents did to you. And I have a little orgasm when I think about that. Pay me 2000$/week for another month and maybe we will have another breakthrough.
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>>154077993
Funny thing is that if Jax survived and reconciled with everyone it would be less forced than SU and She-Ra, as all his wrongdoings were him pushing away emotionally all his friends. He never tried to kill anyone or have a malicious plan to destroy the circus, he only sabotaged himself. People think he abstracted Kaufmo and Ribbit, but he didn’t really, he just pushed them away so that he wouldn’t be able to help them. All his wrongdoings are asshole things normal people do. He doesn’t do anything criminal in the show, just emotionally messed up things that are not unredeemable. That’s why when the show wants us to pity him, it works, as he’s never crossed a line that makes him horrible. Compared to the gems in SU and Catra who actively attempted genocide and willingly abused people around them for personal gain.
>>154096745
I’m glad people are keeping the receipts for this shit show, but every abuser and asshole in this show who’s not Horde Prime and Shadow Weaver gets away with everything. And even SW goes out heroically like she deserves that.
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>>154096753
>Cool, now hold still while I waterboard you
>After all you can just get over it as long as you're not a pussy
You and I both know it's not the equivalent of waterboarding. The mental damage from what physically happens in the digital circus is NOT the same. Your entire view of Jax hinges on the false impression that video games are the same thing as real life.
>>154096913
>The cartoon violence is just a metaphor.
Bro, it's a fictional story. Everything is a symbol. It's whatever you see in it. Interesting interpretation, though.
>The characters who literally fucking acked themselves because Jax "wouldn't open up" are how these people actually see the world.
Yeah, that part pissed me off the most. Hence why I think Pomni is the worst to Jax.
>Even if unconsciously, the moral of TADC is a cautionary tale on how to deal with these people.
No it's not. You're just fucking screwed if you're stuck with these people. Gooseworks herself lost interest in the show halfway through because of these people moralfagging so much about how the main characters are getting too much screentime.
Ironically the best way to deal with them is to just leave and touch grass or wait them out. The other characters are framed as Jax's captive audience, but it's the opposite. He's their captive audience. And it kind of works like that in real life at colleges or with bad parents or if you're sick or something. You're not a human to them at that point. You're just some kind of monster.
If you're stuck with them, they'll do whatever they can to make https://youtu.be/XZVpR3Pk-r8?si=-xWWcUxRM6MN-lY9 the kind of relationship you're in and control you with being your gf or friend. Hence why all the Pomni pegging Jax porn exists. She was trying to dominate him from the beginning and went way further than Ragatha ever tried b/c ragatha never really cared about Jax enough to try and tame him like that rather than abandon him to endless poisonous gestures of "politeness"
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>>154096745
There used to be a 12 minute video called "G1 Starscream took a lot of abuse" but that video is no longer available
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXtEdUmwH3A
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>>154097604
>He doesn’t do anything criminal in the show, just emotionally messed up things that are not unredeemable. That’s why when the show wants us to pity him, it works, as he’s never crossed a line that makes him horrible.
I think this is what really shocked people about the ending and inspired all the discussion trying to make sense of it as a moral lesson like in a kids show.
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>>154095705
>Society of women
>Existed for eons
>Conquered millions of worlds
>Society is super war like and overbearing
>Their princess meets a guy
>Commits soul/ego suicide to give him a child and be a mother
>The baby is a boy
>They all kneel down to first male they meet
>All power and authority given to him
What did rebecca mean by this
>>154095936
Honestly this is what I hoped future was gonna be not, suddenly steven is mad and sad. If they do a sequel which let's be real they will, hope this is the plot. Their is a reason spinel is a fan fave we need more genuine villains and a actual fight/stake for the plot
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>What did rebecca mean by this
idk, but it's so weird and dogshit because it sucks to watch
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>>154103063
>>Society is super war like and overbearing
>>154103622
why do these warlike women even give a shit about pink to the point they'd hand away their power over like that
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>>154097382
Jax is a psychopathic asshole and has spent years torturing everybody else and he gets forgiven over and over again, not because the pos ever actually changes but just because he's human and that means we've got to always forgive him.
Meanwhile Caine has been a prisoner his whole life, a child neglected by his creators, and yet the others in the circus have never had an ounce of empathy for him, always ready to otherize him and treat him like an object instead of a person. And despite it all Caine tries to make their stay in the circus bearable, but because he has one reasonable breakdown after years of dealing with bullshit suddenly he's the bad guy.
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>>154095936
Imagine if Steven forced every leader to step down and new ones to be elected, every state, province and territory to become independent from their current nations and all the nations of the world to disband their armies.
How do you think that shit would play out?
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>jax is withdrawn and isolated because he drove someone he cared about to abstraction
okay, sure.
>this abstraction happened because jax shunned that person after he regretted telling her one story and he never ever talked to her again no matter how many times she approached him
lol fucking what?
not even one time?
>well have YOU ever met anybody that's mentally unwell like him?
yes nigga, I know a person who immigrated from shithole venezuela who's mentally unwell as fuck and even after long shunning periods things he would bounce back and act chill again and open up about things again
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>>154103654
They are all sisters, really the concept is just
>Our heir died/disappeared
>Oh she's back.........oh it's their kid
>Welp he's our new heir
Really I feel if they did the Spiritedaway/kidnapped arc more as a season of them trying to groom steven into a warlord/gem royal. Because then he'd have more one on one time to see the good in each of them and slowly break down their walls. Instead of mostly just insta redeeming the diamonds also weird how fast they "redeem" the diamonds but will shit on pink
>Pink is a abuser
>Pink has anger issues
Literally pink was the nice odd one and got bullied for it
>Pink was childish
Seems she had no control over her life and hated her sisters
Like I'm not even a big SU fan but damn I felt bad for rose. Imagine everyone else gets redeemed and saved because of the war you started and keikau and your kid then that kid and everyone shits on your metaphorical grave daily. Truly like this thread OP said somehow the victim is worse than the abuser.
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Id why this reminds me of those old memes that SU is written like a harem series
>Mc is greatest
>Every female loves or has connection to him
>Only good or relevant characters in world are females
>Mc can talk his way through any girls heart
>Mc dad is a chad/known for bagging some crazy baddie
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