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>>2988073

>>2988073
Where do you shit?

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The impediment to tiny homes is land/a place to put them. If you do own land why bother with a tiny home.

Assuming land is yours, build a slab on grade 1500 square foot single sloped roof passive solar house, maybe 30 deep by 60 feet long and call it a day.

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>>2988085
Better example

>>2988085
>>2988086
Permits. Tiny homes are technically an RV

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Inside of me are two wolves

>>2988161
Where are you cooking food and bathing asshole? All I see is a garage and bedroom.

Garages are not helped by being narrow and split up like in the bottom 2 pics. Far better to have 1 large garage with enough space for vehicles + opening doors + tools + storage. What you've created here may satisfy your aesthetic sense but it will disappoint you in reality to live with.

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>>2988162
It’s an optical illusion; it’s 1200sqft.

>>2988152
Where I live, you can't stay in an RV on your own land for more than a couple of months unless there is an existing primary dwelling (insane). So you'd need a person to let you park on their land (where they have a house already) and you would be good to go.

>>2988073
getting these things papered is a fucking nightmare desu. I have no idea how I'm going to convince the police and or the DMV to do an in person check in on it, and I cant really easily move it either.

>>2988175
thats a shitty law
tons of people where i live own land and live in rvs, tiny homes, camps etc.

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>>2988175
Thats because its not normal to live in a recreational vehicle full time. There are odd exceptions for it; i've seen it and its always someone who just barely escaped a trailer park who thought their house could go anywhere in the country only to park it and let it deteriorate. Its moronic to live in an RV.
>>2988176
Don't tell them its a house. Just tell the DMV its a regular trailer. There are no inspections or anything after that.

>>2988085
You just outlined why the tinyhome craze remained on instagram. Some people actually bought/built them and realized you can't park your trailer anywhere you want to, you need a super duty pickup truck to move it ($50,000+ truck) and electricity or water doesn't just magically come out of the outlet/taps. However they almost make sense as a comparatively inexpensive 'guest house' on your property. At one time you could almost get them for about $25k, tow it and park it on your land and then run an extension cord and garden hose to it and functionally have a decent semi-permanent living quarter that was slightly better/nicer than an RV.

>>2988085
>>2988086
I wonder if living in a relatively small house like that is possible. I like having a big kitchen, a comfy living room, and a cave-like bedroom and I always see stuff like this which is just 1 massive room and not really "for me".

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>>2988180
Meant to post this as my final point. A small comfy house, little homestead area for gardening/farming.

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>>2988181
It's where I ended up. I started with considering land plus an RV, the laws made it too challenging. Then I went to passive solar build on land, but development fees were insane (around 100k along with permits). I finally just looked for the shittiest house on the most amount of land and a house that wasn't falling over, and bought that. Took a long time to find it but I have about 6 acres and a very old house. Plan is...
>Year 1: observe water and land changes, make house livable
>Year 2: move dirt, add waterways and swale on contour. Plant fruit and nut trees
>Year 3: barn and shop repairs, green house maybe. Expand to larger animals for fertility

It's been really nice.

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>>2988180
>I wonder if living in a relatively small house like that is possible.
there are people (like me) that unfortunately live in 500 sqft apartments desu. it's 1 bedroom at least. my kitchen is about that size, maybe smaller

>>2988183
I know, I lived in a studio apartment just after college. I think the room was 12x15. No kitchenette inside, I had to grill on the patio and walk to the main house to cook anything. Comfy, but not a great long term thing. Man does need more than a roof over his bed.

>>2988183
Here in the Netherlands I just paid 350k euro for a 500 sqft apartment, feels bad but also comfy I guess

>>2988183
>>2988195
yeah i would take a smaller home on land over a bigger apartment
i hate not being able to just walk outside and hose off a dirty trash can and worrying about cars and parking stuff like that
>>2988182
i did the same and ended up finding a real gem of a place, dated and needing a few updates, but liveable
for only not much more than it would have cost to buy and develop bare land

>>2988210
Only now has the conversation around development fees started. Basically we are in a housing crisis (Canada) but countiee/towns in the middle of nowhere still ask for 80k plus a per sq/ft cost on plans to build a house. Building is for the richest only. We have a cartel of builders with a slew of number corps making deals on land and heavily subsidized. So- that's why I live in a 150 year old house and not a small passive solar ICF build, which was what I wanted for the same amount of money basically.

>>2988198
>bought apartment
Shit, that's what I want to get away from lol!

>>2988195
>>2988210
It's not too bad. We have the space to do some cool things and the average wagey salary here is great despite COL being high, but not as bad as shit like NYC. We've gotten approved for some nice stuff and could buy something in the boonies with our savings, but the real dream is a nearby house that's nice which isn't gonna happen for a while.

>>2988198
Is this like a condo, where you buy the unit but don't actually own the property it's on? What's the appeal, in your opinion? most of my friends who've done this end up hating it within 4-5 years and get stuck trying to sell it kek

>>2988085
I contemplated a tiny house for a brief moment until I realized it's pretty much impossible to even find a tiny parking lot to put it on. Netherlands is not very forgiving despite having a housing crisis.
So either you're relegated to a waiting list for a communal plot where you share the land with a bunch of hippies and feminists.

But for me, I never really cared so much for a big house to begin with, I just want space around it to garden and tinker. A pipe dream for me.

>>2988249
ive always felt condos were the worst of both worlds between renting and owning
..even worse now that the market for them is tanking
i almost fell for the meme because i spent the better part of last decade building them, it was tempting to take advantage of preconstruction contractor pricing and flip them
glad i took the money and ran instead because id be so mad if i was holding the bag rn

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>>2988343
They truly are
>Can't work on most of your utilities yourself
>No making noise
>Smell other people's cooking
>Spending controlled by the condo board, usually the wealthiest boomers in the building
>Building managers get kickback on repairs and maintenance contracts and you pay for it
>Every few years some major renovation may be needed and you are required to pay for it
>Fluctuating market means you may be left holding onto a depreciating asset

It made sense many years ago as part of the "realestate ladder" to eventually go into a detached home, but now fees and corruption make them a poor choice.

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>>2988269

>>2988085
>The impediment to tiny homes is land/a place to put them.
Kind of the point, not having to stay in the same place forever but also not wanting to, so no point in buying property/land.

>>2988351
Not to mention someone having young little kids while someone else there has a big fucking dog that they don't watch properly. Because nobody does anymore.

>>2988378
Not really, if you want to move around you buy an RV. Tiny homes are not strictly or even usually focused on mobility.

>>2988433
Kind of like how "mobile homes" would get destroyed in most cases if you tried to move them to a different park.

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>>2988439
It's not a mobile home! It's a Tiny home™

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I built a bit of a tiny home out of a single 20ft container and honestly dude, it's ALL I need.
But of course it's paired with a square mile of land and no other people anywhere close.
Like everyone was like no dude you're not gonna have space bro and absolutely not, it's hella comfy, enough space for a desk and bed, what more do you need?

>>2988524
>honestly dude, it's ALL I need.
Post an inside and outside pic of it. I gotta see this abomination. Its either exactly what we're thinking it is (landfill tier hobo living), or its a luxury tiny home. There is no in between.
>inb4 doxing self
If you have a square mile of land and your shipping container home, nobody will be able to identify you. Don't be a pussy.

>>2988439
Hell nah obviously Tiny homes are way more movable than "mobile homes" (see size) and it doesn't cost $5k to move them down the street.

>>2988433
>RV
comparing them to literal Recreational Vehicles lol go away

>>2988526
I've posted some pics in public discords so I'm not posting it here, but the rundown is I have a division wall at the 13ft mark leaving 7ft on the doors end as a garage space with a storage rack, all the solar equipment and batteries, my fridge and washing machine, and I park my motorcycle in there. The rest of it at the moment is just my bed, a desk, wall hung TV, and a sort of temporary table I use for more storage.
There is no luxury, it is designed for comfort. I mostly just lay in bed and game on the TV while I'm there

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I own 35 sections in the desert Southwest (over 20k acres), which is 1 section short of the whole Township. That section is owned by the railroad. My great uncle paid $1.40 per acre in 1919. I own everything you see in this image, including this side of the mountain range. The river course visible halfway up the image is dry most of the year, but can run full during the wet season (July-August). I don't care if anyone identifies me because everyone in the local town (20 miles away) knows who owns what. There is a gas station and mini-mart there so I got everything I need. Don't come looking because you won't like what you find out here.

>>2988530
kitchen?

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>>2988539
Is this the container you speak of lol

>>2988530
>I've posted it publicly before, but I just won't do it again
Alright bud, its a fucking trash can in the desert. Say no more.

>>2988549
Chat, is this real?

>>2988542
Outdoor kitchen

>>2988539
FAKE AND GAY

>>2988539
Have you considered incorporating hauling water into your visits to society and gradually amasing a horde of tens of thousands of gallons?

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>>2988672
That issue was solved by my grandfather in the 1960's when he installed this 40k-gal concrete water tank. It gets filled every year by a pump when the river is full. Used to use some of that water for stock too.

How much would a tiny home cost to build? Rough estimate. Two bedrooms. Dad daughter type combo.

>>2988737
>Tiny home
>bedrooms
Best you'll get is a loft space and the ability to add a murphy or convertable couch something for a second bunk somewhere.

>>2988539
bet u eat rattlesnakes

>>2988749
What’s your opinion on this.
I have a garage but it’s gravel.
I can’t afford a slab.

I was going to make a 6’ or 8’ by 24’ wooden floating deck. 2x6” frame to be a “workbench floor” back or garage.

Cringe or cool?

>>2988755
>Floating anything
Not great for mice etc. if you could rodent proof the perimeter maybe a floating subfloor style surface could work.

>>2988763
It out in the country. It’s a metal garage. Gravel floor. Just need something to put my bench and tools on. Thought a cheaper easier route. Or I mix concrete and make a 6X24’ slab.

>>2988765
Sorry I thought you were going to try and live in there. Super budget would be standard patio slabs on a tamped limestone layer over the gravel.

>>2988768
Well it’s where I park my truck and boat. I will make storage in there too. It’s just for auto tools. The shed is for wood shop.

I like the idea of the floating deck. Seems sort of cool looking? Raised up off ground. Idk. Just thinking of what to do. I want it to be aesthetically pleasing

>>2988161
I recall building something like top related in Sims 2 with mods that allowed really small lots.

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>>2988073
Every tiny house thread shows what looks like a half million dollar architects wet dream sitting in an idyllic rural setting. Pic related is more like most tiny house villages look like. In the middle of an industrial area or under an airport departure path. And once your neighbors move in, some meth addicts will litter the place with stolen bikes and propane tanks (enjoy the occasional fire). And don't you dare move one, or you'll get shived. Because they have all thdir acquisitions inventoried

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>>2988073
Building a 30x30 two story quonset home RN. It fucking sucks. About five months in and just now pouring slab. Plumbing sucked, finally hired a guy. Building pad, forming, insulation(code) sucked. Contractors suck, code sucks, and I'm not even above the pad yet.

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>>2990148
>shoulda never called it an inhabited dwelling

>>2990152
What would that have done? To inhabit it/convert to dwelling, still requires it to be up to code as a dwelling. Min footer, slab, rebar requirements, perimeter insulation, moisture barrier, etc. Plumbed to code.

>>2990172
My bro submitted plans for a place. Bigass house with a detached garage. The 'two car garage with shop' was built first. It of course had a place for a washer/dryer, a 'utility sink', and, as it was allowed by code, a full bathroom. As soon as that was finished, inspected, signed off on, and complete, low and behold the financing on the house fell through and he promptly informed the city that he wouldn't but building the house at this time. He lived their for 8 years until he had the money to actually build the house. All this because they wouldn't let him put a trailer or build a mother in law unit on the lot first while he saved up to build the big house.

The best part? One of the dudes at the permit office told him to do it that way on the down low. Some fucking Karens and Kyles put the law on the books requiring minimum house sizes and forbidding trailers/mobile homes outside of parks to keep 'the poors' from buying property and moving in. They told him that the city wouldn't give him shit if he 'ran out of money' part way through as long as he did everything up until that point by the book.

Are any kit home places real and not ripoffs? The prospect of a Sears home for the new millennium is enticing but everything is a fucking scam these days

>>2990306
If by ripoff you mean 'paying more for it then you otherwise would', no. They are all ripoffs. You will always be able to acquire the raw materials and build it yourself for less than what a kit costs. You won't make your money back on time saved unless you value your semi-skilled labor much higher then its market value. In some cases, a kit make sense but only when time and convenance are more highly weighted than price.

That is just how business works though. They are out there to make a profit and they can't do that by selling you shit for less than it is worth. There is no magic hack to get a company to sell you a dollars worth of goods for 75 cents.

>>2990174
My permit is for an "enclosure to be converted to dwelling" right now. I could maybe move in, drop off the radar, never convert to dwelling. Outside any city limits, but still county fags lurking. They want that tax revenue, permit fees, etc. One neighbor called me in the second the pad work was started. Got a stop work for about an hour whilst a contractor pulled a permit. Fucking asshole does it as a hobby.
I'm building to residential code, to be on the safe side, but may see how long I can dodge that classification, tax burden, permits. Fucking Oregon.

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>>2990363
>Fucking Oregon
sounds like youre way to close to a population hub because most of rural or is hillbilly as fuck and has a strong dilligaf attitude
t. local hillbilly of meridian latitude

>>2990369
Red county, outside 3k pop town. It would be WAY worse in metro areas, but even red county has to comply with Oregon psycho environmental res code. All it takes is one shitty neighbor to put you on building dept radar.

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>>2990380
>one shitty neighbor
$20 bucks says that neighbor invaded from kommiefornia post y2k

>>2990389
He's a local, with a screw loose. This place is a bit too trashy for califags. Where RVs and fiberglass boats go to die. Tweekers, singlewides, dirt bikes, gunfire(large caliber fully automatic lol), white faces, no jobs, trucks, fires...

>>2990358
Ha ha you are assuming I have the semi-skilled labour. My /diy/ is textile crafting, I don't have carpentry or electrical skills. I kind of hope that helping out with the kit would broaden my skills but I don't know for sure. I do know a handyman but I don't think he's up to "build a house irom scratch"

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>>2990404
oh so youre the carpetbagger

>>2988392
Man, big dogs are infinitely better than kids because people don't watch their kids for shit either.

better than homeless

>>2988175
>>2988178
It's boomers wanting to use houses for a get rich quick scheme. It'd throw a wrench in their retirement plans if economical housing were available.

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>>2991394
except theyre not selling and the made up number is just a dick swinging competition that the (((banking industry))) has use to leverage infinity fiat m2
t. currently 2 houses for sale in my 50 mi^2 zip

This is propaganda to convince the lower class to have nothing while the upper class takes more for themselves.

Nice thread.
I live in an apartment, I would not even care about house/land however the noise pollution in my retarded town (and the idiotic country in general) is driving me mad. I need to sell my apartment and buy a house somewhere far away from this fucking shithole of a town. Hopefully by the end of the year I will be living in a house.

>>2991414
same as it ever was

>>2988249
>Is this like a condo, where you buy the unit but don't actually own the property it's on?
NTA, but here in Norway you usually own a portion of the property along with other unit owners. So when there's renovations needed you get to vote in an owner's assembly.
In the unlikely case that the property itself gets sold to build something else on it you'd get a share of the sales value.

-checks one more tiny house thread-

oh look, haters shitting on everyone who doesnt live in a mansion and moving goalposts on everything else screaming over any actual content. shocking

Just finished my third winter in a ~500 sq foot house I built. I got no debt, a net worth, and no problems with the town.
i found the permitting process to be quite easy when loans and contractors werent involved. they basically said cool, let us know when you're done.

>>2992097
>haters shitting on everyone who doesnt live in a mansion
Thats what exactly nobody here has done.
>moving goalposts on everything else screaming over any actual content.
We're not influencers, we're not doing actual content. What are you really upset about, people discarding living in a shipping container?

>Just finished my third winter in a ~500 sq foot house I built.
You do you, but would you concede you're in a vanishingly tiny minority of people willing to live in what amounts to a 2-room dwelling?
And what permits were you dealing with? Even for rural parts here permits are a joke, who's gonna know if I don't wire up my guest house incorrectly?

>>2992106
>willing to live in what amounts to a 2-room dwelling?

Would you rather own a dwelling and get rich by saving money, or would you rather lose everything when you can't afford your five bedrooms? How much room do you need when you live alone and jack off all day?

>>2992117
>How much room do you need when you live alone and jack off all day?
Sometimes I enjoy jerking off in various rooms, thank you very much.

I also have no debt, bought the house when I was single, its gone up nearly $100k since I bought. I can have friends and family over and not suggest they sleep on a couch 10 feet from where I masturbate in my bed. I also have a garage to park my truck in, I'm close enough to town, I have a lawn to mow, a garden to tend, and happy little flowers I can decorate my front lawn with and impress my neighbors.

Whats the use in getting rich while living like a pauper your entire life?

I get it man, some guys (like Ted) are fine living in a single room house like a studio in a very spartan lifestyle however the overwhelming vast majority of people simply are not.

I'm not into the 80k tiny house "totally not just a trailer bro" thing, but a small cabin build seems economical and like a worthy goal. Is the only way to avoid permitting and red tape to keep it very small? Most municipalities I've looked at require permits for anything over either 120 or 200 square feet.

>>2992124

So im not him, im one of the other anons you replied to, and im for certain saging this post, but you realize the pants on head retarded optics of sticking around to make that point in a thread about that with an OP of "comfy thread", as well as sbjtting on others?

its not for you, point well made.