>>2992309
Yes, you are. If the thing goes critical it will cause a chemical reaction that will cause an explosion. Not a fireworks explosion, a rapidly expanding chemical reaction. This requires no outside input at all. No air, no fire, nothing. The chemicals inside the tank have everything they need to go critical and just need to warm up to kick off the expansion phase of the runaway reaction. If the chemicals inside the tank get hot enough it will simply explode like a tank of compressed air that popped. Think failed water heater, not C4. So what are they doing? Hitting the thing with water to try and cool the fucker down. Why is it like this? Form what I heard the safety systems failed and they were unable to drain the tank due to the chemical reaction clogging the value. That info may change.

So, what would putting it in wet concrete do? A few things. It would mean they can no longer hit it was cold water to try an cool it, basically guaranteeing it pops. Wet concrete also HEATS UP was it cures. Not exactly what you want to do in this situation. Enough concrete to actually contain the explosion would also take ages to cure enough to actually contain it. Concrete is very good under compressive loads. It is dogshit under tension. Having a to contain a rapidly expanding chemical reaction is exactly the kind of thing concrete is bad at.

Stay in school kids.

>>2992320
So what would you do?

Could you crane in a steel box?

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>Move it to Portland

>Let it go critical

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>>2992326
fuck off were full
t. pdx adjacent

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>>2992322
Hit that shit with a fuckton of cold water, evacuate everyone nearby, seal off any drains in the area, and have the containment crew locked and loaded (picture related) for when the thing goes off.

From my understanding, that is what they have done. The shit is toxic but rather short lived when exposed to the environment. As long as they can keep it out of the soil and the water table and no one lacking proper safety gear* is in the area when it goes it should be fine. Mop up what you can and late the rest oxidize into less hardful stuff.

*Someone get those inbred shitlords from >>2945320 to go work on this without safety gear. See how long then and 'suck it up' with a lung full of this stuff. That will slow you down a lot more than the blade guard on their circular saw.

>>2992322
Sounds very much like how you make a hand grenade.

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>>2992309

>>2992309
Shoot it.

Why can't we fix it?

Can someone explain the problem.

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mitigate not stop; most floors, are permeable so i would use distance from leak as my metric. clean the soil after pressure reduces, looks like a gyser.

Poly-methylmethacrylate is used as orthopaedic bone cement. When mixing and using it, pregnant staff must leave the operating room. It is known to cause birth defects. Usually use just 40 grams of pmma in a well ventilated room.
Is the medical field overreacting to a workplace toxin? Maybe.
Is the monomer as teratogenic as the polymer? Idk.
Are we going to see a generation of Orange County birth defects? Maybe.
t orthopaedic resident

>>2992309
>Am I dumb
if you have to ask...

>>2992332
it's a mad mad mad mad world.

>>2992364
>>2992366
it is obvious that you haven't read any of the news reports. typical.

why doesnt it have a blow out?

>>2992388
this isn't news where I live

>2992388
>it is obvious that you haven't read any of the news reports. typical.

>>2992400
>this isn't news where I live
This. Might as well be a third world issue with it being in California. I hope it goes super-critical and blows the entire state off the map.

>>2992332

Lol you seething in multiple threads over the grinder guards really puts a skip in my step. Stay mad bro.

>>2992309
What exactly am I looking at?
>inb4 >news
Didn’t make it to European news, so I guess it’s some very local burger thing, and searching for
>thing somewhere in the use that is maybe going to blow up and apparently ant be fixed by drowning it in concrete
Doesn’t bring up anything useful.

>>2992407
>europeen is retarded
many such cases

>>2992309
1. Tell all citizens affected to track their expenses related to evacuation.
2. Tell all citizens to evacuate.
3. Throw water on tank to cool until evacuation complete.
3a. Create a multilayered water curtain around the tank to contain chemicals as best as possible.
4. Evacuate emergency responders.
5. Let it blow.
6. Wait for chemicals that exploded to cure in affected area.
7. Cleanup.
8. Charge company and company's insurance for all expenses.
9. Track long term health issues.
10 Litigate and charge GKN Aerospace, owned by Melrose Industries and shareholders of Melrose Industries to create a fund for managing long term effects.

Corporations will continue to not be serious about these things until they and their owners are financially ruined over these events. East Palestine Ohio is the future of this community unless they start acting now.

>>2992309
>How would you fix this?
>Fix California
Derail a freight train full of more deadly chemicals and let it burn. Weld fire hydrants closed. Block roads.

>>2992413
I bet it's not even the company's fault in any meaningful way.

You can pay someone 80$ an hour and they still will ignore safety protocols and not do what you tell them or do anything tk soec. Even if you have a golden inspector that actually will find shit the Swiss cheese just lines up all the time

My new coworker has broken 10 fiber jumpers this year for 10gig+ customers and refuses to run them properly after being coached every time it's cone up.

Bomb it and everything in a 10 mile radius

>>2992415
That is the fault of the company still.
If a company hires an employee the company is responsible for what the employee does.
You aren't going to make the random worker pay up in the event something happens. You have to go over who holds the money above them. Same as why suing cities and states are what people default to when a pigger abuses power. The governing entity over an employee or contractor bares responsibility of the outcome. And in this case, it is the company, the corporate owner and the investors that decided inspections and prioritizing safety were not important. And don't play the no money card. Melrose Industries had a 8% increase in yoy profit and announced due to these high profits that they would have a share buyback program running to spend their excess money instead of improving safety. Do not felate corporations. The entire reason events like or the retard that breaks fiber occur is because corporations choose to let it happen from poor internal diligence from the desire for increasing profits.

>>2992419
I mean more in a society is collapsing, you literally cannot hire anyone competent to do this, sort of way.

>>2992309
Let me guess, another disaster in the land of freedom?
Why don't you send the delta team and blow it up with democracies?

>>2992322
Boron and sand

>>2992309
Millions of Californians will have brainfog because of this for decades to come, have some respect.

>>2992309
Make a hole on top keep spraying water and forget about for a few days. Ooh a little gaseous MMA might dissolve in the water. Only in California would they go crazy over this.

It's nothing.

>>2992309
Nuke it from space, its the only way to be sure.

You fix it by not letting it get to this stage. Proper permitting, overisight/inspection, and enforcement to unsure safe operation. But, government's job is to collect taxes and fees for ever increasing salaries and benefits for government employees. It really is amazing how 'qualified and capable' government officials allow business that use dangerous chemicals to locate adjacent groundwater infiltration basis, schools, homes, daycare learing centers, retirement homes, or streams/lakes/rivers.

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The cooling system broke down. Let me have a shot at it.

Just read msds for MMA. It's a big nothing burger. Why is this even in the news?

>>2992337
The best part is the chemicals in the tank are used to make plastics.

>>2992489
Let the Fukushima daiichi guys take a stab at it.

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>>2992505
Maybe consult with some Lego's engineers? They might have run into this issue before.

>>2992520
/DIY did that?

>>2992320
that's what they did with Chernobyl, bury the reactor in concrete?

>>2992309
>bury it in concrete?
So, like Bhopal, India?

>>2992415
>My new coworker has broken 10 fiber jumpers this year for 10gig+ customers and refuses to run them properly after being coached every time it's cone up.
Story time. How did he manage to do that? They can take a fair amount of abuse...you have to bend them beyond their snapping point and that's quite hard to do unintentionally. Hell, I've seen fibers work that a lazy network engineer stretched taut because he couldn't be arsed to walk over to his toolbox and grab a longer patch cable.

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>>2992694
He ignored all of the routing guides in the ng4 rack we just got brand new. So all of his jumpers are turning 180 degrees around sharp 90 metal/plastic corners.

It's a very easy panel to work with and has great slack storage. I definitely recommend. Co worker is just retarded

>>2992697
You telco guys have such nice, fancy gear. I usually make do with my fibers velcroed somewhere east/west of the cage nut rails. if I've got 1U to waste I'll even put in a cable manager panel above/below the patch panel/equipment.

Anyway, fucking up a patch connection in a dedicated optical patch rack like this one takes a special kind of retard. How did he even get the job?

>>2992320
How many tokens did this take?

>>2992700
CO work is considered high experience work but there's no test for anything anymore since some affirmative action shit about 2010. It just seniority. 'Are you the most experienced tech to apply for this? Okay it's yours'

So. Any dumbbell can get it.

>>2992309
The tank is methyl methacrylate, which is a monomer that will cure via free radical polymerization. The free radicals are formed spontaneously from heat, light, etc. When they buy it from the chemical supplier it comes mixed with some inhibitor chemical that basically consooms most free radicals that happen to form. These inhibitors work pretty good for awhile, but eventually they get consumed and the most common ones require some unfilled headspace with oxygen to help replenish themselves (oxygen is itself a strong inhibitor). This may end up being one of the contributing factors to the runaway reaction if the tank was overfilled.

If the inhibitor is gone, the polymerization will progress and release heat. More heat means faster reaction and more free radicals, so it accelerated until everything gets superheated and explodes. The way to put the brakes back on is to add some powerful inhibitor like phenothiazine. The hardest part is how do you add it into a pressurized closed container (the valves are inoperable). Then the inside is likely viscous goop with solid chunkies of PMMA, so anything you add diffusing around by its own is dubious.

I wonder if there would be a way to punch a hole into it and eject some of the pressurized goop into a cold water catch basin... Then at least you can try to control where it may end up and prevent a ton of mma from vaporizing. Or just inject some inhibitor and hope it slowly cures over a week

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>>2992330
I also live here, I say let him do it.

>>2992309
ok what if we buried it in sand instead? like a lot of sand?

>>2992323
i dont know why they dont put a open ended cylinder around it, it can have sprayers inside to cool the tank but its purpose is to control the blast upwards

>>2992536
No, they dumped sand and boron into the open burning reactor, and once it cooled off enough enough that the radiation wasn't killing robots that got too close, they built a giant concrete structure around it.

>>2992309
I think just keep spraying it with water and figure out how to either repair the cooling or set up new cooling and wait for it to sort itself out? Idk I have no idea what is happening with it

same as literally every other toxic chemical
Burn it thoroughly
its an organic compound

>>2992320
but california doesn't have any water

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>>2992502
Yeah now imagine it's a chemical cloud rolling over the city, nothing to be concerned about because you can't read a document and extrapolate

>>2992309
I would launch an ICBM at it.

>>2992432
You always can find competent people
But these companies don't want to pay enough
They prefer to go with clowns

>>2993489
It really wouldn't be anything to be concerned about because I don't live in the city.

>>2993542
By that logic who the president is shouldn't bother you because you don't live in Washington DC. Trump? Biden? They had zero effect on your life, right? To further that logic, nothing can bother you as long as you have your head in the sand.

>Wee wee wee but that is not the same thing
Just because you can't see the connection between something happening far away from you doesn't mean it won't have effects on your life later on down the road. Three Mile Island's Unit 2 nuclear reactor had its meltdown 47 years ago. Unless you lived in eastern Pennsylvania between 1979 and 1990 it was unlikely that it directly effected you. Meanwhile, it completely killed US nuclear power plant development for 40 years. We have only brought online two reactors since then, both at the Vogtle plant in Georgia. The first one came online in 2023. Think of all the coal, oil, and natural gas we have burned during that time to make up for the fact that we built so little nuclear. That will have effected your health. It is estimated that Americans collective take 17 million sick days due to air pollution every year. Hell, forget health. Think of how much more money you've had to pay for power, natural gas, and gasoline because we are still burning mostly inefficient fossil fuels.

Now extrapolate out what this methyl methacrylate storage issue might have on public opinion, or worse yet, polititions. What if they pass new regulations that make it much more expensive to store? What if it is banned outright? It is an ingredient in acrylic and Plexiglass. Anything that uses that is gonna go up in price. Or they might alter the formula and make it worse. Ever bitch that cleaners, detergents, and solvents don't work as well as they used to? Well, here's your sign.

It's California. They'll just blame Trump and then go ban open-source 3D printers. Maybe we can get that high-speed rail within this century (optimistic estimate)

>>2992309
So I guess it just cracked and everything was fine? Why didn't they crack it themselves?

>>2993570
You even seeing a security came video of some dipshit popping truck tires with a knife or something? They pop one or two no problem. It makes a little hole and the tire starts to deflate. Then they hit the third one and it explodes. It blows them off their feet, shreds their shirt, shoots the knife out of their hand like a projectile, and they end up deafened, sitting in a jumble on the ground 6 feet away? It is like that. Sometimes you pop a tank like that and it makes a hole, the pressure is relieved, and everything goes well. Sometimes the structure of the tank fails, it splits open like a water balloon popping, and all hell breaks loose.

>>2992741
Boron and sand.

>>2993551
>who the president is shouldn't bother you
It doesn't. I voted, but whether my guy won or not, the government is still corrupt and there's nothing I can really do about it, so why get all piss pants worked up about it? I have plenty of my own stuff that I need to work on. I CAN do something about that, so I focus on those things instead. The government and their regulations are going to suck no matter what. The only thing that is going to change that would be a mass killing of every politician and a full blown revolution. I'm not going to be the guy to spark that off because I personally have too much at stake to just hand it over.

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Put steel box over it, then a second layer, fill steel boxes with water, add pipe that flows out into container to capture explosion. Actually use tax dollars for their intended purpose so this doesn't happen again.