7 figures hasn't been a lot of money since the 80s. The US median house is half of that. Entry level is 200k. There's a lot of areas that 1mil will barely get you 2 bed 1 bath.

>>2992873
Open concept has been the standard for new construction for 50 years. Only in the last 10-15 years has the backlash against it grown to the point that some new homes aren't using it. Many in the industry haven't really caught up to that fact though.

Please note, there is a significant difference between what custom homebuilders do and what tract developers do. The former is building to suit. The are often going off of a plan that the customer wants and an architect may have even been involved. Tract housing is built to sell. There are generally, at best, a few pre-developed plans that are all designed to be as cheap and easy to construct as possible while also checking as many 'fad' boxes as possible. What becomes the 'new owner' will likely have had zero input on any aspect of the construction. They are also often terrible houses, regardless of sticker price.

>>2992873
i build custom homes and i like the open floorplan
>>2992901
there's a reason it has been the custom for that long. popular taste always trickles down from what the wealthy have. the old highly compartmentalized, dedicated kitchen, dedicated dining, dedicated living, dedicated family room designs were a derivative of the old style of home where rich people had servants/help. the help was in the kitchen and they briefly appeared in the dining room to serve and then left. this then bled over into the women were in the kitchen and the men were separate dynamic of the post ww2 rise of the middle class era. now rich people don't cook much, in my experience it is usually the man that cooks if anyone does, not even kidding, so the kitchen being in the space where the people spend their time talking or watching tv or playing with the kids is convenient because you can grab your drink out of the fridge or make your coffee or whatever and still be included in the socialization. super quiet dishwashers means you don't have to listen to dishes being cleaned up anymore. another thing that has arisen is the butlers pantry. most of my customers have a room off the kitchen that serves as a staging area for caterers. the kitchen island becomes a buffet on one side and a seating area on the other without guests being removed from the get together.

>>2992873
What the other guys said, it's trying to copy rich peoples houses. I fucking hate it, so much wasted space and it's cold and drafty. Walls are the meat of a room, it's where you put all your stuff against. When you got no walls the only thing that becomes appropriate to fill the space with is tables and sofas, how many fucking tables and sofas do you need?

>>2992906
of course builders like the cheapest simplest shittiest layout possible lmao

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>>2992923
actually in the custom home building world we are Cost Plus. so the more they spend the more I make. i also have a finish carpentry company and i'm pretty good. but you are a spiteful mutant so why don't you say something like
>painting everything white makes it soulless
while ignoring victorian and colonial styles.

>>2992900
Price to build, not rhe overinflated hustle bustle price
>>2992935
No one is being mean or "spiteful", you soft bitch
Now post floorplan

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>>2992939
i don't feel like sharing my intellectual property for free, especially not to rude people with nothing to contribute :)

>>2992935
>>2992940
you paint it white because thats the color the cheapest prefinished molding comes in lmao stop finessing

>>2992873
the answer to any "why" question in the american building community is - because it's cheaper

>>2992935
>archway immitation made of popcicle sticks and plaster
wow, such a craftsmanship, lmao

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>>2992956
No plaster. Sorry you can't build stuff yourself. Maybe if you keep saying negative stuff you will finally feel better about yourself though!

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>>2992957
>enter thread about hating on thing
>people are hating on thing

>>2992968
>people are hating on thing
mostly just you
open layout makes sense for modern young families where there are no servants or stay at home mothers so you want to be able to do cooking and cleaning chores while also maximizing your time with the children
open concept serves no purpose if you are a weirdo internet loner
open concept serves no purpose for me

>>2992939
I can't always decide if building is better or worse.

>>2992979
Building you know you are going to spend a lot of money, but once you are done you have a house with a warranty and a floorplan and finishes you like. Buying a house means you are getting something someone else built, and if you want to change anything, who knows what problems are lurking behind the drywall.

>>2992981
That's what I mean. Even ignoring customizing, the new build has healthy mechanical. Don't let them use pex and you're good. The best old homes will still need something replaced at a minimum. Water heater, furnace, drain management, roof, foundation issues, paint and seal whole exterior.

Why ai hasn't taught us to build a 3br she shed for less than 100k idk.

>>2992983
The problem is labor costs. If you do the digging and rebar and form boards and compaction, you can have a 1200sqft slab for $12k. You can frame walls out of 2x8s for another $2k in lumber. For another $10k you can get doors and windows. Rafters, an lvl ridge beam and 3 king posts and sheathing for the roof is another 7k. Then you need sheathing for the house, waterproofing, roofing, electric, plumbing, interior finishes, etc. Just the slab and materials for the shell on this theoretical 1200sqft house is about 40-50k. Now you need insulation, flooring, wall covering, lights, plumbing fixtures, tile work, cabinets, furniture, all of which will bring you to around 100k. The question is, do you have the time and ability to do all the labor yourself. Also, don't forget septic, well, and the cost to get power to the house or do solar.

i think architects did not learn from big brother instead listened to their reality tv addicted client's trophy wife, accidentally building homes designed for confrontation.

>>2992957
>plastic decorations
oh wow, sorry I've overestimate you, king of the hot glue gun

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>>2992957
whappen here?

>>2993013
hasn't been painted yet

>>2993001
i charged $12k for that arch :)

>>2992935
saw this on reddit

>>2993019
uh huh

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>>2993047
>>2993046
<|:^)

>>2993052
and we're up to invoice 13 as of last week. nobody knows how to do this shit anymore lol.

>>2993052
What flavor of Linux is that?

>>2993059
cachyos because it just works. i ragequit windows for the third time in my life 6 months ago and i have a developer buddy who said to just use it and i did and i had my printer working in less than a minute and i was sold.

>>2993019
and you got charged equally for some shoddy work elsewhere, big win, bravo

>>2992873
this phenomena is called "prole drift."

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>>2993074
I bought an excavator so I guess someone did charge e for stuff!

>>2993086
its kind of the opposite, no?
i grew up in a working/lower middle class 60s mcm open concept home and it had a delightful layout still with a closed off kitchen that kind of looped around and flowed into a big dining/living/ entertaining area
the kitchen in the living room model used to be exclusively for efficiency in apartments that are too small for anything else
what kind of luxury is a fireplace in the kitchen anyway? its not hot enough in there already?

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>>2993060
Seems it requires more hands on maintenance than other versions but I will take a look.

I've noodled with Linux a few times over the years but was mostly unimpressed with the interfaces. The old school Windows interface is actually quite good, all things considered, and I have been using it since Windows 3.1 was current. I don't want to relearn everything so I figured I'd have a look again (due to a Windows Update breaking my 13 year old multi-upgraded copy of 11, which then dropped activation on reset). I booted up a VM with Mint and was unimpressed. Same with Ubuntu and Fedora. I basically want Windows 7, which I can mostly kludge Windows 11 into looking like without extra apps. 11 is just so aggressively awful though. It seems every time they add a 'feature' I have to dig deeper and deeper to turn it off. First they make the settings hard to find. Then it isn't a 'setting' and has to be changed in local group policy. Then it is buried in the registry. Then it is not even in the registry and you have to create your own keys to do what you want. Enshittification manifest. If I could just get Windows 7's desktop and File Explorer on a Linux OS that can run games I would be happy.

>>2993087
good, now you can tear down the plastic abomination you "built"

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>>2993093
Sorry you are having a bad day.

>>2993091
So far cachyos has been much more "it just works" than other Linux distros I have used in the past. Also, onlyoffice beats the pants off libreoffice.

>>2993017
you fill the gaps with paint?

>>2993114
Caulking after the first coat of paint. That's wood crown so you can't get it to sit tight against wavy walls. You can do it a little tighter than that, but that's for stain grade and it takes longer and you charge more for it.

>dude is making imitation crab meat from the scrapings of the fishing boat and acts like a Micheline star chef
Americans have no self awareness I swear

>>2992957
>>2992940
>>2992935
Appreciate your input and images, cool stuff. Could have had a good thread about trends but that guy is mindbroken and fixated on shitting it up

>>2993108
>Also, onlyoffice beats the pants off libreoffice.
Which is fine if you're working in a "print-only" environment where you and anyone who works for you is using the same thing, meanwhile the rest of the world is on MS Office, GDocs, or PDFs for universal read-only files.

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>>2993188
It's 4chan. Been here since 08 so it really doesn't bother me. If you have any questions I am happy to talk about what I know.

>>2993188
why dont you make a thread to circle jerk about corny millwork instead of hijacking an unrelated thread and being mad its not what you want it to be?
>>2993194
jesus christ anon wtf

>>2993200
oh yeah this thread was so high quality, i can't believe how much incredible discussion we have lost about complaining that kitchen's are part of the living area in modern floorplans

>>2993288
better quality than ur trim lmao

>>2992873
So, for 1 million dollars I can microwave slop from a box and pray to the tv in the same room?

Hopefully chippyanon can put up a bunch of faux beams then connect a built-in to my stack stone. I don't need blinds or anything because 1 million is definitely enough for huge ocean front property. We're saving a little on the light fixtures.

>>2993290
stay mad mr. "i have never done anything with my life so i am rude on the internet to try to validate my existence"

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>>2993291
>I can microwave slop from a box and pray to the tv in the same room
or you can cook a nice meal in the same room your wife and children are in, oh wait

>>2993293
literally no one in this thread is mad and seeking validation except you

>>2993294
So long as I can buy new dishwear.

After we're done, can we make the master bath and bedroom open concepts too? We got such a great discount on the rough sawn false beams and we looove the whole barndominium. We want all the doors in the house to be barn doors or pocket doors.

>>2993114
>>2993137
"Do your best and caulk the rest" situation

>>2993194
Turning a problem into a feature, lol

Will the corner cutouts be painted a different colour to emphasise them (i.e. "It was totally meant to be like that"), or will you keep it the same colour to try and blend it in?

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>>2993308
Whenever you do stuff like that detail I suggest making it stand out. Getting stuff to almost match up and then trying to hide it makes it into a mistake. Making it intentional and something you are meant to see is one of the big differences between the guys who are good and the guys who lack imagination.

>>2993318
I personally considered that intersection of trim to be a mistake on the architects part, but I coped the chair rail to it and I think it's pretty cool.

>>2992873
who tf needs three bathrooms

>>2993299
>oh no, people like things that I don't! How dare they!

>>2993322
Families.

>>2992900
>entry level is 200k
you're retarded, the average salary is like 50k

>>2993326
>muh priceless mdf and softwood picture molding

>>2993328
The mean income was 67,000 in 2024

That's one and a half year's investment split between two head of household to fully own your 200,000 house.

Bro is hillariously butthurt in a thread about bad design and taste

>>2993330
people have expenses, namely the place they're living before buying the house
household expendable income or savings is like 10-20k for most families, and 200k houses are only available in buttfuck nowhere where the salaries are lower to compensate
realistically it takes a household 15-20 years to accrue enough money to pay off a house unless they already had one that appreciated

Bro takes out his miter saw for two days and makes generational wealth for retard bros. We're lucky to learn his lessons.

>>2993337
>lives in higher income area
>still can only save 10k annual
Blatant skill issue.

Other anon has 13 $40g checks to his LLC this month.

>A million dollars is a lot of money
>200,000 is too cheap
You do understand the walls are closing in with your cognitive biases?

>>2993347
you think your personal experience is the average, or that the average person is capable of reaching the same position as you, and I don't think those are true

>>2993351
I make almost 40 thousand annual, not monthly. Anyone entering the workforce should be in the ballpark. So, you can stop that assumption.

Forbes has the median US home at $436k.

This is your financial outlook.
https://youtube.com/shorts/b-EJORfwmeA

>>2993322
I mean, having two in a house with three+ people is nice for being able to have simultaneous use capacity. Having a half-bath in guest-accessible areas means you can have a nice, clear room for when you have guests.

>>2992900
Boomer, crypto nigger or Jew call it

>>2992901
>They are also often terrible houses, regardless of sticker price.

This, 99.9% of the time.
Used to do sink and bath installs in tract homes in Phoenix.
They were all shit.

>>2992873
Because only a bachelor can afford them.

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>>2993587
There's a million dollar house to every ten people in the US. I'm sorry you had to find out this way.

>>2993618
yeah and they belong to boomers and jews

>>2993351
They aren't. He just thinks he is superior to everyone else for some reason.

>>2993642
it's 4chan, just sprinkle in some smug condescension and you too can be better than everyone else

>lives in high cost of living area
>"but I make better money"
>"but I can't save 10k annually"

>1 million is soo expensive,
>200,000 is sooo cheap
>500,000 is soo expensive
>350,000 is sooo cheap
>475,000 is soo expensive
>474,999 is soo cheap
this is why we need UBI. Financial nitwits think they have any say in building plans or design practices.

>>2992873
No curtains really is white people behavior.

>>2993710
200k was above average for a decent 3-bedroom around here just 10 years ago.

>>2993710
We need UBI so the worthless can accelerate their self destruction and we can dismantle every other feature of the welfare state.

Homeless? What'd you do with your UBI?
Medical bill? What'd you do with your UBI?
Need food?. What'd you do with your UBI?

>>2994156
>UBI has been proven to improve quality of life and make people more willing to take risks like starting a small business everywhere it's been tested
>Troll doesn't get that a big part of why people are stuck on welfare is that it's tax money subsidizing corporations to not pay livable wages

>>2994159
Wut

No it's proven the opposite.
People on UBI had less money after a year than the control group. They didn't spend any more time on their kids, learning, or business. They maybe went to the doctor more.

I'm for it anyway fucking retard. You're gonna get it and get depressed and kys. Gg.

>>2994166
Why lie like this?

>>2994171
>participants increased spending and reduced working hours
>control group savings increased more

>leisure time, no education, no family, just watching shit and consooomong

It's gonna go great for you I'm sure. Get in the VR pod. You will finally have heaven.

>>2994174
if you want to see UBI in action go to poor parts of appalachia, everyone is on disability and food stamps and they are lazy as shit and live in squalor. relying on handouts and not being able to provide for yourself breaks the spirit.

>>2994174
>It's bad that people do anything but work themselves to death, now get back in the job, wage slave

>>2994195
>Area with no work and hard GOP sector is also heavily welfare dependent

Why is every goddamn board just the same boorish opining on shit people don't actually have a stake in?
>>2992873
>why do they build million dollar homes with the layout of a bachelor apartment?
Because the use case is impressing the rotation of one night stands you bring over because if you got a steady partner at that income bracket it would be financially ruinous.

>>2994221
I only bring up UBI when I grow tired of the brain rotted moving goal posts around and reframing. It keeps them occupied for a while dreaming about Gavin Newsom coming to their house and cooking everyone tendies.

Notice there are no good design ideas offered in the thread. Anon posts fifty thousand dollars of coffered ceilings and picture molding while the rest struggle to pay 1 million, 200k, or rent.

>>2994153
Real estate has gone up four-fold in my area of interest over the decade. The covid print machine and large cap like blackrock reaching in have been factors. Any housing shares I've held have all done poor compared to other sectors. I don't speculate retail is good with the situation. Higher appraisals have another effect in that they elevate the property taxes of every owner increasing that financial syphon.

>>2994212
>and we should kill the fuckinh white people they can't do anything right fuck!

Wow okay. No stereotypes were harmed in the making of this socialist

>>2994244
>Left-field white supremacist bullshit completely unrelated to anything being replied to
Absolute brainrot.

I didn't even suggest anything approaching "socialism," but you got triggered by the idea of working people actually having time to enjoy life. And don't pretend Appalachia's severe problems are caused by anyone but the people who constantly have power. Even the one DNC Senator from the region was a Republican in all of his votes.

>>2994230
>Notice there are no good design ideas offered in the thread.
What are you expecting, a revolutionary new floorplan in which the kitchen is both isolated and included in the living area simultaneously?

>>2992935
>>Names a soulless time period
I bet you think it's soulless like that!
Yea.

>>2992957
This is a gopher pretending to be a tradesman.

>>2992873
I have grown to hate TV centered "living" rooms.

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>>2994320
Thanks to the magic of nobody showing up, I am both the gopher and the tradesman!

>>2994346
Whoa bro, you can't expect tradies to work 5 days a week now. That cuts into their drinking time by 33%!

>>2994348
Nah lost one guy to a hernia he had prior to working with me and another guy to schizophrenia and another guy got hit by a car while riding his bike. Everyone else I have tried to hire is a knuckle dragging idiot.

>>2994319
double retard because victorians loved wallpaper and paint

>>2994354
It's a spiteful mutant, no point in giving them the time of day. You can show them stain grade work and they'll say because it isn't hand carved Italian marble it is soulless.

>>2994317
I expect architecture or int design in a design thread.

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>>2994346
Its Friday. Your cleaning up the shit piles I left all week.

>>2994354
Wallpaper is trailer trash tier taste and soulless garbage.


You want wood.
You're literally just mad I saw past your posts.

>>2994361
Wow faux brick veneer!

>>2994361
Why did they sheet basement ceilings? With more layers of material are coming in, why are the boxes flush to the sheet?

>>2994365
I just do the work. I don't ask why they want garbage glued to walls.

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>>2994365
They wanted metal attached to the ceiling. I made a bar from reclaimed oak barrels.

I genuinely think it's dumb and I spent several weeks trying to talk them out of the "false crumbling brick", his wife ended up doing it or something. It looks like shit.

Point is op is basically just really excited cause he got his first construction job or gopher job.
Its fine, but he is being pretty fucking cringe about it.

>>2994373
I don't knock any of the trades. As long as you're getting what's deserved for creating their steampunk speakeasy. I think they should have fleshed it out more, but a start is a start.

I don't believe many people use these boards. I'd be surprised if the trimmer wasn't the one with the festools that posted the exterior entryway for months.

For this bar design, they have a lot of textures already. There's block intersecting brick. Your photo has three types of walls. They need to reel-in and stay on theme. They need some consistency and more negative space.

>>2994362
Wallpaper beats several skills right now. That's in terms of available work and pay.

>>2994357
i was calling you both retards

>>2994361
>>2994373
too soon for 2010s throwback desu

>>2994373
Why take a screenshot? Just post the photo. Jesus fuck.

>>2992957
>Plywood in place of a fire resistant barrier in habitable areas

Fire marshal and code enforcement are going to eat your ass

>>2992873
Because there's plenty of space and they don't have to condense everything.

>>2994393
those are clearly window frames
>>2994395
retard alert
stuffing an entire house into one room epitomizes "condensing everything"

>>2994396
>stuffing an entire house into one room
You have never been in an expensive home, retard.
The only place where you will actually find shit like that is in cities.

idk im in masonry

>>2994389
Lower the quality of the image for privacy and change the meta data if 4chan breaks one day and doesn't erase it.
I work for 2 bit millionaires and they are bored and would love nothing better than a victim story about me doxing them.
Simply validating myself.

>>2994378
I hate wallpaper because of how shitty it is to remove and prep for anything else.
I don't want it to come back into vogue


Yea, like I said, it isn't my stuff. I think their visions are dumb and a waste of money. But they can have whatever stuff they want. He isn't hurting anyone, it's not like its a kill room.

>>2993013
He'll caulk it.