>>18714208
true

I personally love lightweight poplin over both.

Madras mogs

>>18714208

enjoy your wart looking texture

linen is also way, way more environmentally friendly than cotton

>>18714429
seethe bitch. it looks awesome

Where do I find some decent seersucker? Usually every place has the exact same blue stripe shirt in long sleeve. Am I supposed to just wear a single shirt for 4 months?

yeah you're a sucker allright

>>18714645
for me it's seerwinner

>>18714629
https://propercloth.com/dress-shirts/portuguese-blue-stripe-seersucker-547708.html

11 colors options plus various size and customizations, and I usually hear reasonably good stuff about proper cloth fabrics.

>>18714208
I see I managed to make OP a seersuckersucker after this one other thread about linen.

Don't forget to buy seersucker made out of Elastomultiester for maximum comfy and 0 sweat

>>18714629
I got some from levi's

They're also not made of cotton so the seersucker will not fade after a few washes.
It also wicks sweat more and lighter than linen

https://www.levi.com/US/en_US/workwear/short-sleeve-worker-shirt/p/003O10007

https://www.levi.com/US/en_US/clothing/men/shirts/sunset-camp-seersucker-shirt/p/005H50001

>saarcucker

I gave linen a try and just didn't enjoy the feel. Too scratchy and I didn't like how it wrinkled although it didn't really bother me that much
Linen should be oversized if you're going to wear it

>>18714208
I know synthetics are usually frowned upon but I see a lotta tencel lately. Hows that?

>>18714729
>They're also not made of cotton
Top link says 100% cotton and bottom say 98%, what did you mean by this?

>>18714967
Tencel is just the brand name of lyocell. It's basically rayon but better environmentally because the company that makes it recycles the chemicals
It's semi-synthetic since it's from plant cellulose but it's chemically processed to become fibers. It's a sort of middle ground

>>18714973
Yeah my bad I thought they would be at least 80% elastomultiester like the one I have.

The one I have is this one
https://levi.com.hk/products/levis-mens-standard-camp-shirt-a84570001 but in kaki color.
The website says 100% polyester but it's actuallly 65% Elastomultiester, 35% Polyester

Anyway, never buy cotton seersucker. Cotton will not hold the seersucker shape as you wash and iron it.

elastomultiester is made seersucker as it will never ever lose it's texture. It's also a great feeling on the skin and 10000% better than linen for sweaty fucks in winter like me.


Muji also has polyester seersucker https://france.muji.eu/products/Mens-Breathable-Stretch-Seersucker-Cuban-Collar-Shirt-P-AC236-F-000000 but it's ugly

>>18714815
raw linen and hemp is slightly rough and itchy but you're supposed to wash it a few times, I made a linen shirt and after a few washes it because super soft and is one of my favorite shirt materials.

>>18715091
this
worn in linen is super comfy
I feel like im wearing pyjamas at work when I wear my linen pants

Anyone have suggestions for linen pants around $200 or less?

>>18715108
https://www.quince.com/women/linen-pants?color=flax&gender=women

>>18715015
you arent supposed to iron it.
I cold wash mine gentle inside out, and hang dry.

>>18715165
This, and if you have wrinkles you just steam it

>>18714208
>>18714815
linen is trash because of the way its processed these days. they spin it on cotton mills which requires cutting the flax to a cotton-like staple length which removes all of its desirable properties. the end result is a shittier looking, shittier feeling less breathable and less durable version of cotton.
there are only a few actual linen mills in operation in the entire world. i believe in lithuania and belgium. and i do not believe they export, only local brands are made with it.
here's a good video on the topic:
Trying to find one (1) singular good quality modern linen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0wHgSyplKY

>>18714991
lyocell looks and feels so cheap compared to cupro. its the drape and how it reflects light.

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>>18715767
>and i do not believe they export, only local brands are made with it.

I've seen some places advertising particularly "Belgian Linen". Could this be related? I have noticed their linen to be a lot nicer than mall brand linen (e.g. banana republic, j crew, club monaco etc) Or just cashing in on the possible association (even though you would have to be pretty autistic to know about that)?

Why don't they just make more places to process linen, is it too cost prohibitive? Do you know of any Belgian brands that would use it?

Or any idea of how much the staple length differs?

>>18716052
its hard to say without actually handling the garments. i'm in america so if it became more widely available and distributed in europe i'd be the last to know.
"from french and belgian" is sus though france doesn't operate a flax mill afaik so that stuff is milled on cotton mills.
>Why don't they just make more places to process linen, is it too cost prohibitive? Do you know of any Belgian brands that would use it?
p sure its because almost everyone globally got rid of theirs during or after the cotton boom and it became lost technology over time. its the same reason why nobody can make a walkman anywhere near the level of quality of what sony was making in the 2000's. the market moved away from it, the tooling for the tooling is long gone and it would be prohibitively expensive to manufacture them again compared to how much money's in it.
i don't know as much about flax mills but with old cotton mills, "they don't make em like they used to" is a big factor. since the rise of plastics the ability to make stuff like this has largely fallen by the wayside. modern day toyota could never make their old cotton mills/looms again for a variety of reasons. the type of manufacturing required for that is just not the type of operation they run anymore. no one does. the major manufacturing businesses since globalization of the economy have been focused on economy of scale, not quality precision and craftsmanship.
so basically in the current year there's only a few mills left in the world and the way they're kept running is by cannibalizing the few other remaining mills when parts break. there's no real chance of that ever changing without some sort of major external factors. like say if some new plant disease showed up and suddenly started decimating the world's cotton supply or some out-there hypothetical like that. it'd take a situation like that for it to ever become economically viable.

>>18716052
>Or any idea of how much the staple length differs?
its cut down to around 1/2 length or 1/3rd length, sometimes even more depending on the quality of input material and exact mill and desired end result.

>>18714262
poplin fucking sucks its fucking hotter than fucking wool it sucks i fucking hate it

also be aware its not "all belgian linen is good" its "one of the only places with good linen happens to be in belgium"

>>18715767
>linen is trash because of the way its processed these days
True, I thrifted some vintage hugo boss linen trousers, and compared the fabric to a uniqlo linen shirt and the difference was night and day. The softness (which I imagine from the length of the fibers), the thickness of the threads, and most people especially the open/loose weave.

I'm partial towards lyocell/tencel though, seems the best of semi synthetics from a price/quality ratio, and it's decently durable.

>>18714208
You mean shir shakar?

>>18716072
>>18715767

Do you know which mills have it? Also watching that video it seems to be more concerned with historical accuracy (makes sense considering the channel). Looseness of the weave (her main complaint) is exactly what most modern linen usage would want (good for hot weather). Of course that's excluding heavyweight linen for more menswear (e.g. trousers) not meant for summer. I'm definitely interested in the staple length though, which sadly I don't recall her mentioning at all.

>>18716074
Sounds more like you're being a tsundere and actually want to fuck it.

>>18716786
>Looseness of the weave (her main complaint) is exactly what most modern linen usage would want (good for hot weather).
both cotton and wool can be woven looser than short staple linen can though. its not even good at that.
like literally the only thing it has going for it is that cheap mall tier brands don't sell loose woven wool and cotton garments.
>which sadly I don't recall her mentioning at all.
yeah i meant the video to be a supplement to my post, she misses a lot but it saves me a lot of words i'd have to type to explain all the stuff she doesn't miss.

>>18716251
i like semi synthetics. cupro is the best one.

im p sure the only reason modern linen has a reputation for being "airy" and "breathable" is because you can achieve that with really dirt cheap input material. its #3 in that regard behind wool and cotton, but to make an airy loose wool and cotton weave like that requires actually decent quality input material.
does mean linen is utilitarian in the sense its cheap and kinda effective but if you're paying luxury prices for modern short staple linen luls get better educated as a consumer.

wool cotton also doesn't get wrinkley and has a WAY better drape at those weights/fabric densities too. its not only airier but also just looks and feels so much better.