>>77314209 I feel like 2pl8 is too harsh of a jump, you can go from country to country, state to state, gym to gym for years and see it like 2 or 3 times unless you head to a "serious" powerlifting or oly gym. Hell not even 1pl8 will be common 80kg is good for normie standards.
It's the single most based lift and basically it trades risking death or permanent injury for actually looking like you lift and becoming strong as fuck.
>>77314238 Deload for two weeks then try again. If the problem persists then I suggest handstand push-ups against a wall. It's tricky to learn but once you get the technique down it's pretty much pain proof and decently heavy depending on your weight. Goes a long way. You'll have to go back to ohp eventually but ideally your pain will have been fixed and you'll be strong enough not to strain by then.
>>77314245 Ohp is one of the safest lifts lmao, safer than bench/squat/dl. Just dump the barbell forward if anything. I literally use suicide grip on ohp with no danger
>>77314250 Idk man I don't dare to truly go to failure on it like I do on bench out of fear of dumping the bar on my head. But also if you fuck up the form and do it unevenly too harsh or whatever you damage your shoulders pretty bad. Form is kind of tricky on it, too. If I grab the bar wrong and notice I just dump it, cool down and try again. With some other lifts I may push through anyways but I try to be as much of a purist with the OHP as I can cause I feel like every tiny misstep is damage to my shoulders. Deadlift is definitely a dangerous one as well but mostly cause people dare to go heavy as fuck on it. Like I bet most people are afraid to try put a weight that's out of their league over their head, but try it with deadlift every now and then and are always trying to make progress no matter what skipping parts of the progression to fo faster etc. Deadlift allows for more retardation and that's why the injury risk is high. If you tried to increase your 1rm with ohp every day it's time to perform the lift you'd die.
>>77314262 When I do strict presses, I rack off the safety bars. Even on failure I can usually catch it on my shoulder in a front rack but I just need to bend the knee/hip a bit to drop it on the bar. When I push press, I just drop it on the floor and jump away. More safe than an unspotted bench
>>77314318 I always bench alone, just dump to the side. The only risk is that some idiot might think I need help and rush unsolicited to fuck uo a perfectly failed lift, otherwise with flawless technique there's zero danger.
>>77314249 I'm weak as fuck anon, there's a 0% chance I can do a handstand pushup even with the help of a wall. Do I just go for regular pushups then until I build the strength to go into handstand?
>>77314220 I rep 1pl8 pretty easy. But I have genetic freak shoulders that are a pain in the ass when it comes to chest work because they'll take over the entire lift and my chest will do nothing. I benched 225 with barely any chest activation.
>>77314238 Your nerve is caught up in your shoulder. Don't listen to these other retards.. Need to strengthen rotator cuff and get massage, not stretch for it. Massage the rotator cuff inserts to keep it loose. Increment only by 2.5 kg each increase. You will snap your shit if you play with ohp. Injuries happen from overworked ligaments, acute overload and tight muscle.
btw powershitters that claim they are 2 or more plates OHPing are lying. If you have to drop under the bar and use your legs to push up with the OHP, that is cheating and does not count. A strict military press is you standing straight and just moving the bar up and down with your arms
Real man strength. Those who have a 2 plate Ohp are a god amongst men in the real world. I always get tons of mires at the beach when I clean and jerk my kayak overhead and start carrying it back to my truck.
>>77314523 If you think you need to do push press with legs to OHP 2 plates then you need a reality check dyel lmao You must think 3pl bench is something unachievable too kek
>>77314588 Theres very few examples of any men strictly OHPing 2 plate (100kg) Of the examples most men are belted leaning back so essentially performing a vertical bench. Over 100kg seems to be even fewer examples and those are all self admitted PED users. So no you did not 2 plate OHP you lying dyel faggot.
Ive seen literal dyels with no upper body development "ohp" 2 plate with powershitter oly way because they are crossshitters and thats just basically a half squat.
>>77314635 Europeans are genetically weaker so all their weights are lighter. 45lbs plates are 44lbs there. So when they say their ohp is 2pl or bench 3pl, it’s actually not >>77314627 Holy fucking dyel cope. Post your lifts
>>77314652 you are mentally handicapped >When a person says that they can lift 3 plates, it's referring to 3 plates on each side of the barbell weighing 45 lbs each with a barbell weighing 45 lbs.
>>77314659 actual dyel moron >In most gyms, "2 plates" means two 45-lb plates per side on a 45-lb bar (225 lb total); in kilo gyms, two 20-kg plates per side totals 100 kg.
>>77314220 1pl8 is pretty good with proper, non-powersharting form. I can pop my delts now if I flex them even at my body fat (20ish according to calipers). For reference I am lateral rising (with controlled and slownform) 15kg dumbbells for 13 reps
>>77314834 It's a mobility / flexibility issue. I also can't pass the wall angel test, my back arches when I try to do it. My shoulders are too tight and inflexible.
>>77314535 >>77314523 The issue with this statement is that even with leg drive you probably dont press even 1pl8lmao so whatever you say is to be disregarded Cheating can really help because you nullify the hardest disadvantageous bottom part. Over time you reap the benefits of doing partials
>>77314209 For an 5'10", 180-pound guy, a 2pl OHP for reps is more than elite. I’ve seen people bench 405 lbs, do 30 clean pull-ups, and even deadlift 800 lbs, but I have never, ever seen someone working with a 2pl OHP or more.
>>77314161 >what does this shit even do It's a very important lift for aesthetics. It gives you those giant shoulders that give you a wide frame and make you look fit even with thick clothes on.
>>77315255 This. If you look at the PRs of lifetime natty bodybuilders like Jeff Nippard, their OHP PB is just an 8 rep set of 135lbs. Outside of competitions there is no reason to expect a 2plate OHP.
>>77315269 Im literally the strongest guy in my gym and im the strongest ohp'er in my gym >>77315255 they are all full of shit thats why >>77315270 yeah i do more than that for 10 reps but ive been training ohp for a long time. Ive never seen anyone at my gym do more than me for reps. And the only guys ive seen do ridiculous stuff like 160 ohp for repa are all admitted roiders
at my gym im pretty good at the ohp and i notice that egotistical dyels watch me and then try to out do me but most of them can not even lift 40kg. I see some of them sometimes struggling with 30kg. Ive seen one retard doing the cheat method struggle to do 1 60kg ohp. I can do that 30 or 40 times easy.
The majority of adult males i assume cant even do 40kg. So i dont believe a word of this thread,
>>77315305 You're a roidtranny tho >>77315318 He's talking about push press probably, which he clearly he never did since it's not a straight up cheatcode, your shoulders and traps still do immense work
>>77315326 it is a cheat code, if you drop under the bar by dropping your legs in a split ala the oly lift. You aren't using your triceps or delts at all to lift the weight up. Doing that way a guy with zero delt development and weedy arms can claim to have "ohp" 100kg. I've seen guys do this on social media and claim it as an ohp record its hilarious. Its just balancing the weight on your arms and pushing up with your legs. The other cheat method is bending your legs and bouncing up so the weight goes up with momentum and you only have to at most half press it. Which again is lazy and not a proper ohp.
This is why so many people say stuff like " i do this exercise and it gives me no delt development" or like Mike Israeltel or whatever the fuck his name is said its not a great exercise for delts. Thats wrong. It is but you have to be able to lift above what the average guy can do for lots of reps which not many people can do because it takes a long time to train ohp. Its one if the slowest exercises to make progress on natty.
>>77315342 https://youtu.be/pT4Ebx2ra1A?si=7OKQOyDs-c2HTlfg Israetel strict presses your squat for reps i take his word over yours, that's how wrong and uneducate you are considering i dont usually take jews words A split jerk and ohp and push press arent the same exercise sure but you still havent posted anything to back up your claims besides incessant whining
I do my strict (85kg) working sets then i push press and if im not taking away the rack from someone i move into jerk for fun and if i maxed out that day i get straight to the jerk puritans btfo
>>77315354 see the issue here is you should be standing perfectly straight (i do it unbelted) only your neck should go back and your chin up so the bar can clear your head. You should not be leaning back or doing that much movement.
>>77315360 The pectoralis function is to bring your arms to the center of your body horizontally then push them back and also support rotation, in ohp their role is adduction so no. He's not using his chest at any point, moving your head away is not using your chest and pecs are actually disadvantaged in that position. He's still far beyond the incline degree
>>77315363 >and if im not taking away the rack from someone Holy fucking beta cuck. Imagine caring about that I occupy bench for an hour and power rack sometimes for up to 2 hours
>>77315369 he is clearly using his chest you fucking moron because hes leaning back and his chest is facing the ceiling so its like a vertical bench. You are an idiot we are done here.
>>77314443 Holy shit this. I didn't realize there were other people like this. My OHPs are by far my best lift. My shoulders and traps are naturally huge. Whenever I do bench, I get pain in my shoulders but never feel a thing in my pecs or triceps. They're still growing so I know I am getting some activation, but whenever I fail a rep it is always the shoulders that seem to be carrying everything.
>>77315380 >Your triceps flex when you do curls and face the ground in a pushdown-like motion that means anything but seated curls is cheating because you're using your triceps
>>77314161 OHP is the most overrated lift by people who THINK they are serious gymgoers. Also, a couple of facts: No, a 1 plate overhead press is not impressive. Also, almost nobody OHPs 2 plates, but thats because its not worth chasing. Most people who can, can also bench 4 plates or do heavy oly lifting, which is way more impressive, which again is why nobody cares about OHP
>>77314657 Europeans and especially northern ones are the strongest in the world retard. Just because your 5'4" mutt orc build gives you +2 strength and -2 speed you will never beat a 6'2" european in a true competition.
>>77314657 >Europeans are genetically weaker Europeans have dominated weightlifting since its inception, dumbass. Almost every world record is held by Slavs or Nordics. Mongols come in close and sometimes snatch a record. Nogs and Indians have not a single world record.
>>77315438 Bench and squat raw world records and ohp are all held by non whites. slavs arent european according to this website or white so we'll ommit them >b-b-but In any other situation you'd call them non white
>>77315447 >>77315449 Keep in mind no one gives any form of weightlifting a fraction of the importance ex-soviet sphere of influence and their competition (usa) does yet you can see records broken left and right in ipf by non whites and in oly purely on personal effort Genetics are a meme the way normies put it and only give a very minor edge
>>77314161 My shoulders used to click when it I raised my arm over my head likely due to a car accident. After being able to ohp over 1pl8, the clicking kind of went away so it has become my favorite lift
>>77315392 You gotta pinch the fuck out of your shoulder blades when you bench and angle your elbows towards your hips. You'll know because you'll feel your chest fill up asap.
>>77314262 ohp is really safe man. the only thing you risk is your back if you are loading up more than your back can support. i had shoulder problems when starting ohp and i go as hard as i can, havent had any issues. can only speak to this up to 160lbs
>>77315395 Assuming he's not lying about only taking HGH (unlikely), HGH alone isn't even anabolic to muscle at such a low dose. It simply aids in recovery and fat loss.
>>77315595 I’m only taking hgh. When I start taking test, I’ll be saying that I take test too.
But your point about hgh is correct, it seems to keep me really lean even in a kcal surplus, and aids in recovery a bit. But it’s definitely not some cheat code. However, all of that is irrelevant because I achieved those OHP stats long before hgh.
Of course he could say I’m lying about that too, but ultimately if we don’t believe anything anyone says, then we can’t have a discussion about fitness
I’m simply saying I do value OHP …and I think it did wonders for my shoulders and overall physique
>>77314523 At that point they should just clean and press. >>77314588 Even back when I could 3pl8 bench I couldn't 2 pl8 OHP. I maxed out at 185, which I thought was fine since I weighed 170.
>>77315614 I do different rep ranges and variations. Sometimes I do something like sets of 5 reps at 185lbs or 10 at 155 or 2 at 195lbs. I also mix in some push press or BTN presses. It's still slow but I think it helps
>>77315683 Why do you post a pic of you while using steroids instead of you not using steroids if you already had those numbers before, and having those numbers is what made your shoulders already big? Let us see these pre steroids big ohp shoulders then.
Imo having big shoulders with big ohp as a natty just means being fat. You can t be that strong and big and natty and lean in a lift like ohp.
4 months in and haven’t tried this lift once cause I already know I’m gonna butcher the form and look like an absolute retard doing it with an empty barbell