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Don't buy anything other than IBM/Lenovo ThinkPad T, X, and W/P Series if you want the Real Business Experience™
Other business laptops are welcome in /tpg/ (Dell Latitude/Precision, HP EliteBook/ZBook)
Why ThinkPad?
>Used machines are plentiful and cheap
>Utilitarian design: e.g. mix of old and new ports, stable keyboard layout
>Easy to repair, upgrade (some models) & maintain thanks to readily available service manuals, spare parts easy to obtain
>Usable in cramped quarters thanks to the TrackPoint
>Excellent Linux & *BSD support
ThinkWiki - General info
https://www.thinkwiki.org/
Model generations:
>Classic IBM: T40-T42
>IBM/Lenovo transition: T43 T60 T61 (T42-T43: significant spec difference; T43-T60: 64-bit arch)
>Classic Lenovo: T400-T430 (T61-T400: 4:3 to 16:10; T410-T420: 16:10 to 16:9; T420-T430: 6-row keyboard, USB 3)
>Boxy ultrabooks: T440-T480 (T430-T440: eDP, M.2, soldered CPU; T460-T470: NVMe, USB-C)
>Thin above all: T490 T14g1 T14g2 (T480-T490: soldered WiFi (Intel), partly soldered RAM, internal battery only)
>TrackPoint on a pig: T14g3 T14g4 (T14g2-T14g3: 16:9 to 16:10, fully soldered RAM/WiFi (AMD), end of mechanical docks)
>iFixit-approved TrackPoint on pig: T14g5-... (T14g4-T14g5: Ctrl/Fn swap, camera bump, modular RAM returns)
FAQ:
>Oldest that won't choke on the modern web
Light use: x60
YouTube, Gmail etc: xx00(s)
>Oldest that drives a 4K monitor
xx40(p/s)
>Oldest that takes 32 GB RAM
X260 T460p/s W510
>Lasts full day on battery
T550 T560 X260 xx70 Tx80 T16 and any Lunar Lake
>Newest with socketed CPU
T440p W541
BIOS replacement:
https://coreboot.org/ | https://libreboot.org/ | https://canoeboot.org/
Supports x60 xx00(s)-xx30(s) T440p W54x T470s Tx80(s)
Additional resources:
https://dankpads.com/tpg/ | https://biosimage.booru.org | https://github.com/n4ru/1vyrain
Patches:
https://github.com/digmorepaka/thinkpad-firmware-patches
https://github.com/hamishcoleman/thinkpad-ec
Chat:
##ibmthinkpad on libera | #/tpg/ on rizon
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>>108525835
Applying epoxy to RAM (Random Access Memory) and ROM (Read-Only Memory) is generally not recommended for several reasons:
1. **Heat Dissipation**: Both RAM and ROM generate heat during operation, and covering them with epoxy can impede their ability to dissipate heat. This could lead to overheating and potential damage to the components.
2. **Electrical Insulation**: Epoxy acts as an insulator, which means it could interfere with the electrical connections necessary for RAM and ROM to function properly.
3. **Irreversibility**: Once epoxy is applied and cured, it is very difficult to remove without damaging the underlying components. This makes any repair or upgrade impossible without replacing the entire component.
4. **Practicality**: There are no practical benefits to encasing RAM or ROM in epoxy for typical use cases. While epoxy can be used to ruggedize electronics for specific industrial applications, this is not common for consumer-grade RAM and ROM[1][4].
Therefore, it is not safe or advisable to put epoxy on RAM or ROM unless there is a specific need for ruggedization and the potential risks are mitigated through careful engineering.
Citations:
[1] https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/putting-a-computer-into-epoxy.257 6890/
[2] https://polyestershoppen.com/info/veilig-werken-met-epoxy
[3] https://www.bestbartopepoxy.com/blogs/ultraclear/is-crafting-with-clea r-epoxy-resin-safe
[4] https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/u5pf4r/i_set_a_piece_of _laptop_ram_in_epoxy_a_while_ago/
[5] https://xdaforums.com/t/experience-after-reballing.4569279/
[6] https://entropyresins.com/safety/epoxy-safety-tips/
[7] https://www.artresin.com/blogs/artresin/41788993-artresin-is-safe-for- home-use
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my second hand t14g2 keys' texture is so smooth and shiny from greasy hand oils that it feels repulsing to use, can I do something about that. I also stripped half the fucking screws on this laptop, can I also do something about that
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My T580 has a few problems
>internal battery won’t charge anymore
>external battery is cracked and hisses
>hinge is loose and barely holds the screen
>usb-c charging port is dead, thunderbolt is getting a loose
>keyboard is ok, trackpad is unreliable
>been getting regular BSODs: browser becomes unresponsive, sound continues for a while then crash. None lately but probably only because I actually shut it off regularly now that I’ve removed the batteries
Not sure what to do, maybe get a new internal battery for now and start looking for a new shell where I can transplant my RAM and 8650u
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>>108528623
>>UEFI update (do so before removing the batteries)
I've been reading a bit, what are the odds this prevents me from using 3rd party batteries?
>>108528679
I'll look into the glass trackpad, cheers
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>>108528738
>what are the odds this prevents me from using 3rd party batteries
I've been looking into getting an 8th gen model as an upgrade, with the intention of libre/corebooting it, and I haven't seen anything regarding the EC hwitelist (at least, not explicitly mentioned).
I looked through the EC patch github everyone uses for xx30 ThinkPads, and I saw a list of newer models, so I'd take that as an indication that there's a hardware hwitelist present on those too.
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>>108528963
There is a DRM authentication sequence (not just a whitelist, the battery has to answer a random challenge sent by the EC), but 3rd party batteries for post-xx30 models can generally fool the EC into charging them. xx30 was only problematic because Lenovo sneakily changed the authentication sequence without changing the shapes or connectors, so it took a while for the people making them to notice that they shouldn't just relabel their xx20 batteries as compatible with xx30.
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My CPU's speed is getting throttled HARD while using windows 10. I have a t440s w/ an i5-4300U.
Any ideas? Temperatures are good and I don't seem to be getting throttled when CPU load is high, it seems to happen at random, even when idle
Base speed is 2.50 GHz but it throttles to various frequencies, sometimes 2.00 GHz and sometimes as low as 0.79 GHz which is outright unusable. I have no idea how to diagnose and fix this, I guess it's some sort of firmware/hardware control issue
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>>108532324
it's probably easier to buy a whole dead laptop and swap the cable
>I was the source of my off colouration.
are you Michael Jackson
>>108533875
ThrottleStop should be able to show why it's throttling
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The batteries on my old x240 only last for about 4h (idle with backlight maxed).
Should I replace them? One battery is like 30-40€.
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Incoming blogpost
I'm nominally the IT purchaser at my job just because nobody newer than me has earned the "privilege" and everyone senior decides it's not worth their time. We used to have discounted pricing with Dell through one of our parent company's shell company's parent company etc. but Dell decided to "replace" all three of my contacts on their side within the last month and now the new contact refuses to acknowledge our pricing agreements or let me talk to his manager(s).
The president of one of the subsidiaries I'm responsible for says his Latitude is shit and wants it replaced earlier than our typical hardware life cycle and he wants a Lenovo for the TrackPoint cursor. We normally give general population laptops 5-series CPU (Core i5/5/5 Ultra) with 16GB RAM but my predecessor ordered him an i7 and he insists he actually needs the same for his Big PowerPoints and Big Spreadsheets. To make things worse he promoted his daughter to a management position and she's requesting (and he pre-approved) a Workstation-class (Precision/Pro Max 7- or 9-series CPU with 32-64GB RAM and dedicated GPU) laptop for Big Power BI. She's not a data analyst and her vibecoded projects are already fucking up all kinds of stuff for our sysadmins.
How do I tell them they're full of shit without risking my cushy perks being reassigned back to my seniors due to corporate politics.
Alternatively what ThinkPads are actually good? It doesn't look like they're as customizable as Dells though the consumer-level/pre-discount prices are actually pretty competitive.
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I'm thinking about selling my X230. It's been a workhorse for years but I'm trying to pare down my devices.
It's got some minor cosmetic issues, the chassis is cracked near the Ethernet port (which no longer works btw). Otherwise it works. i7, 8gb RAM, IPS screen, 1vyrain flashed, EC flashed, classic keyboard, dock, 2 batteries.
What should it sell for on eGoyim? $150 ?
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>>108534995
>How do I tell them they're full of shit without risking my cushy perks being reassigned back to my seniors due to corporate politics.
Assuming you're just the order taker and not responsible for the IT budget - you don't. You get it documented in writing and you file the PO. It's not your money it's the company's and they outrank you. Why the fuck do you care?
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>>108525780
hello anons, probably asked often, but help me out so I don't have to think for myself at all.
200$
use case: want to dive into linux for the first time.
thank you for your attention to this matter.
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>>108537666
Buy this anon's X230 >>108536446
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>>108535539
They're ok if you don't abuse them and keep the cooling system free of dust and debris. Don't drop them and go easy on the hinges - open it deliberately from the middle. Don't carry it around by the corners either. If the hinges start to creak or get stiff, replace them before they rip out of their mounts. Don't ignore it.
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Does anyone recognize this ThinkPad? Is is it a good one?
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>>108539331
>And also sell "libreboot" services whatever the fuck thats supposed to mean.
Obviously that's a flashing service.
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AR9462
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>>108539331
you can do it on your own just fine.
Also, dont get scammed into thinking libreboot has no binary blobs, it does have them as well. Coreboot is overall the better solution because you can take advantage of secure boot or vboot
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Since my i5 6300u is quite... low consume focused... i trying to get more performance undervolting. Is there any advantage in the vPro series of intel? i can go like more undervolting, if thats a thing that in a normal cpu?
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>>108542585
Higher turbo is something.
But for some reason it just tops at 15w even when the temperature isnt that high...
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How bad are these "glass-like mylar" trackpads on recent models?
I remember the old plastic ones from T440 wearing down pretty fast.
Trying to decide whether it is worth going for X1 instead of T14 just for the proper glass one
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>>108545396
I managed to get 20,3w, then the overheat make the program slow down everything. I cant tell if its the max of the CPU 20w since i read that it should top at 25w in the datashet. I wanna try to keep the cpu cool, maybe i let it rest in the fridge or smth...
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>>108525780
soldered RAM bros what the fuck??? i have 8gb+8gb soldered and slotted into my thonk and was looking to upgrade the slotted memory to 16gb. from what i was hearing online this actually hurts performance for games and low latency tasks? i don't plan to play much beyond PS2 games on my core i7-1355u integrated but i didn't know this was a problem. has anyone done a similar or larger config and noticed any issues or is this just tech nitpicking?
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Why are Thinkpads so expensive all the sudden?
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>>108537666
depends a bit on local used thinkpad market. you should first consider what size you want - 14" models are good compromise between mobility and screen size - for 200 $ you should be able to get t14g1 or t480. t490,t470 are not too bad either. t440p, t430 even t420 are ok if you upgrade them - a bit of hw tinkering - it's all fun.
go for x2x0 models if you want a something smaller to have fun with, it's a bit like a puppy.
workstation 15"+ models are not that comfy to move around.
pretty much anything is good enough for linux newbie tinkering, even old lattitudes or hp elitebooks. I would go for t14g1/t480 or 845 elitebook.
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>>108554679
no dents at all. surprised the courier swung by so fast. and finally... a legit backlit Chicony keyboard at last... already burned through two knockoffs and this one feels almost exactly like the stock keyboard since this one's a little less clicky.
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got a thinkpad x201 used a few years back and in the past year or so it started to struggle to boot up
id usually remove the battery and connect it to AC power to fix it but now not even that fixes it. Most i can do is get it to start turning on but within 10 seconds it shuts off and doesnt turn on again
it was sold to me with a non-working usb port, i should've probably taken that as a red flag on a laptop
is it over for the laptop? board damage probably?
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What does /g/ think of this laptop
https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/p/laptops/ideapad/ideapad-slim-series/ide apad-slim-5-(16-inch-amd)-laptop/83 hy001hus
How much would a similar PC build cost?
For reference I have a 11 year old laptop now.
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>>108568737
It takes a certain amount of education and study to differentiate them. But once you do, you'll never not spot a jew. You'll be able to do it without "early life", a picture, or voice. You can tell in text by what phrases they choose to use, how they argue their points, how they arrive at their conclusions, and - knowing what their goals are - what they're arguing in the first place.
It helped me spot you. :)
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Hi anons, just thought I'd show this off for anyone with an old X300 series: I designed a 3D printed drive caddy to replace the original (slow as balls) 64GB 1.8" SSD with an mSATA adaptor and a nice new 256GB SSD.
It's made a huge difference in the boot and application loading times on my X301, pretty happy with it.
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>>108571349
The speed difference between the old and new drive is impressive.
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Thank you again kind sir, I've got it.
Sadly I've lost bingo on battery (Celxpert, full charge capacity 44290 mWh, remaining capacity 42000 mWh [while design capacity is 57000 mWh] and 349 cycle count), I didn't test how long it'll last but I'm sure it's fine - maybe in the future I'll try getting LG cell (no BYD one sadly). ssd have 7500 power on hours with 216601 power on count (lol), but only 22.77 TB reads and it's even have dram cache
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>>108525780
Did people on tiktok start talking about the x220 / x230 at some point recently? I looked at getting one online recently and they're like 5x more expensive than I remember them being, and more expensive than other models.
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>>108573352
People spent years claiming they're the last "true" thinkpad because they dropped the classic 7 row keyboard and hotswappable batteries after xx30, so they're basically collectibles now.
Someone chasing after one now is only interested in aesthetics and optics, the same zoomer mindset that makes them buy old game consoles and 2000s gadgets because they think they're more soulful or whatever.
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>T480 for work and an Anus A16 as a fuck around machine
>sold the A16 and got a T580 to replace it instead
As it should be. The AMD CPU and GPU worked fine under Linux but everything else around it kept shitting the bed hard. Plus I didn't even use it for games that much anyway.
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i like the idea of the ultraportable thinkpads.
i was looking at getting an x1 carbon 9th gen or x13 2nd gen.
that being said i do not like the limited upgradability.
is there a cheap refurb thin and light thinkpad that has socketed ram and maybe dual nvme?
the dual nvme is not a must but id like the ram to be completely replacable.
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>>108576097
T480s sort of comes close. Thin and light, dual drives, but only 1 RAM slot plus 8GB soldered. You can disable the soldered chips if they fail by flashing a modded BIOS.
It's older than the ones you're looking at, but there's nothing newer quite like it.
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>>108575780
Take a shit on it and post an image here with a timestamp.
>>108573316
>mfw when I bought literally a gorillion X230's for cheap years ago, and now I can sell them for a major profit
Is this what being Jewish feels like? Feels good man.
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>>108573316
They've been getting steadily more expensive over the last couple of years, people keep memeing them as the "last true ThinkPad" or some shit. The fact that you can get stuff like a quad core motherboard off AliExpress for them is also a selling point, I guess.
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>>108578694
>quad core motherboard off AliExpress for them
That's a special kind of retarded when you can just get a semi-modern quad core model instead.
>>108573316
Second most popular model is the T480 from how shilled it is. Looks like the shills in the threads over the years had the last raugh after all.
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Retard here. Are 6600mAh chinese batteries for X220 real or am I going to get scammed?
I'm going on a 16-hour flight soon and I've been considering buying a new pack. Only offering for 6600mAh I saw was some chinese noname manufacturer
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>>108576097
i bought a thinkpad x1 carbon 10th gen for $350 last summer
12gen intel 8p4e
16gb ram
500GB
1920x1200 display
upgrading is a meme. 16GB will get the job done. i guess I could upgrade the storage but I have a desktop with 80+ TB if I need bulk storage
i don't need anything more
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w540 runs really hot, shuts down a lot but event viewer never has anything to say. my buddy took it apart and its clean but still shits itself. i dont need this machine for work or anything so how would i go about selling this thing? i dont want to just lie but i dont want to be lowballed either
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>>108579454
Sell the working parts and Motherboard separately.
Write a long disclaimer for the Motherboard.
Or just install some odd Linux distro on it and try to make it seem like the buyer messed something up during the Wangblows/Ubuntu install, idk.
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I'm kinda liking how low on resources this is, but the WM feels a bit clunky compared to XFCE.
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Have a t440 thats starting to show its age. Browsing is getting a bit slow plus no modern codecs, embedded videos can really so a number on it. Still fully works though, even has an aftermarket 1080p screen the seller put in.
Whats a worthy upgrade nowadays? Dont want a dogshit screen and dont mind spending a few hundred £ considering i only spent £120 on the t440 like 7 years ago.
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>>108577675
No. If you were jewish you would have blackmailed influencers to talk about them after cornering the used market to create artificial demand and had a gaggle of sayanim to harass and bankrupt other resellers through lawfare. Then tripled the price and sold trash units.
You just made a smart buy. Good for you, I hope you make a few bucks. You didn't do any of the deceptive, manipulative stuff that is the hallmark of jewish business practices.
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I'm trying to decide between a Thinkpad or an older (Intel pre-T2) Macbook Pro.
Linux support for those older models looks decent with some workarounds and 16GB models are on ebay at somewhat sane prices. It'd mean a better screen, keyboard, touchpad, and build quality. I'm not concerned about battery.
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>>108533875
>Throttling on my 4th Gen Intel
That's because it doesn't support hardware decoding for AV1.
Play an hevc video then an AV1 video and you'll see it's the software decoding that's causing your issue.
Time to upgrade to tiger lake minimum, bro.
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>>108534995
>Big Excel
Tellem Microsoft will let him use their servers for free an grant him access to a cloud version of Excel which is run on "Big" cloud computers.
Offer him a demonstration and tellem there are many more features available in the cloud version.
Let him know that Ms will give him many multiple terabytes for free to store his shit with encryption so that his laptop doesnt get bogged down with all the "Big" files stored on device.
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>>108586373
You can have multiple DE/WM environments with the same distro but it's more of a DIY affair. If you're not up for it (and I wouldn't blame you), then yeah - try another distro with LXQT as default...or an option at initial install, like Debian. Don't let the updoot-obsessed put you off of it. It's great on older hardware and if you want newer packages run the Testing or Sid repos. Packages will be new enough for whatever you're trying to do on an X301.
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>>108586808
I've been running Devuan on my X230 for a long time now, old but stable is fine with me. I think I'll try Alpine Linux next, looks like it's possible to get LXQT installed easily enough, and if I don't like it then I could just fall back on Debian or Devuan and try to optimise it.
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Happy with my t490
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Should I get this out of the box and use it as my daily driver from now on until forever?
What linux can I get on there that is rather quick to setup that takes <1gig of RAM?
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>>108591094
you'll need to swap the cable no matter what option you get then. the touch panel uses a 10+30 pins cable which isn't compatible with the 40-pin one for 1440p or higher screens, and isn't compatible with the 30-pin for 1080p or lower screens
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>>108525780
I busted a nut and some got underneath on of my arrow keys. It stopped functioning the next day. Do keyboards recover from this with a cleaning? I tried alcohol on a q-tip under and around the mechanism and also washed the keyboard in an alcohol mix. I have it drying under a fan now. The keyboard backlights and function key lights work but keys are not registered atm. I don't see why it would be a problem when keyboards are like resistor circuits.
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>>108602472
Thinkpad 35th anniversary is next year
If Lenovo brings back classic keyboard again, I'm gonna splurge.
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Chinesium battery
One review said they work fine after a few cycles, we'll see
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>tfw kept my Thinkpad from Germany when I moved to the US
>have since adapted to ANSI keyboard layout, can't go back to ISO
>forced my Thinkpad recently into indentured Server-tude
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Jumping over here since you guys are alright. Still have to reply to a post from here, I got busy...
What is the (wired) mouse equivalent of the X230 and F91W? I want something comfortable, just two buttons and a scroll wheel, nothing else, that would last a long long time. Has to be cheap too, obviously.
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>>108607277
Just corebooted my T470 yesterday. Feels comfy with about 4 seconds shorter boot time, though it isn't without some bugs.
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RAID or manual backups
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>>108607493
Lower capacity drives are more plentiful and cheaper. 2 slots means you can double your storage on the cheap. Not everything has to sit on your OS drive either. You can have (big) data storage or profile/home directory on #2. And having it on a second drive lets you fuck around without worrying overmuch about it being affected by your experiments. Also easier to clone/backup.
Or, it's a built-in backup drive for all of your OS and data on #1. You do periodic/incremental backups, disk images, dd clone, whatever.
Or, you can run a completely different OS on drive #2 and switch between them at boot. Or a huge fucking VM/dev environment.
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>>108612769
I'm not on a 6 month off-grid expedition where every watt counts and neither are you. Idle draws for a second SSD is going to be like half a watt. You might shave 15-20 minutes off your battery life under moderate use. Less if it spends most of that time idle.
The utility of a second drive is worth the tradeoff if it fills a need. Especially if you already have a spare and you can avoid CONSOOOOMING a higher capacity drive at 2026 inflated prices.
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>>108612965
that's funny looking T14 G1, oh wait...
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>>108525780
I've been offered a deal on a x230t, the version with the i7.
I don't know anything about the x line. How's the battery life? Does it get really warm or is it okay?
I'd use it for drawing and light stuff, but I'd be tempted to try something with an egpu for mid tier gaming, saw some dude online set that up with a x220 and I've been curious about that ever since.
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>>108616765
x series is really nice but nowadays it's harder and harder to get a good quality battery, 9 cell 6600 mAh battery lasted me 5-6 hours with power saving on linux when it was new. They're tricky to repair because you have to take it apart completely to do such a simple thing as repaste. The overheating only really happens during decoding video, and under load, i do lock my x220 to the lowest cpu speed and then it hovers around 50-60 degrees with 1/7 fan speed while using custom curve. if you can get it for like 100 bucks with battery, then it's really damn worth it even for novelty of x series tablets.
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Any librefags itt? What's the best Atheros (ath9k) wifi card that works with the libre kernel? I'm between the AR9382 and AR9380. The latter is marginally better, but costs like twice as much on non-chinkshit channels.
I've read in the archives that the 92xx series runs really hot (comparatively).