>>108625631
Give NotA your energy, /g/

>>108625631
>DebConf23, an event where a Debian developer literally fucking DIED because basic health & safety measures were not followed
this is still less disrespectful than debconf25: swiggity swooty

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>>108625653
FLUSH IT DOWN! NOTA!

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>>108625653
TAKE MY POWER

>>108625631
What does it take to be able to vote? Do I need to be an active developer? I use Debian but have never contributed to it, nor do I have any record of participating in anything on their forums ow whatever.

It says you can request a ballot by sending a "signed email" to some address, what's that supposed to mean?

>>108625631
1 hour now

>>108625972
Only Debian developers can vote. Also there's only 20 minutes left to vote. Good luck.

so how'd it go bros? do I still need to hammer my server into pieces?

IT'S OVER

dpl isn't king of debian so nothing is gonna happen

>>108626264
Apparently voting is done, but I'm not sure when we'll find out what happened. Does anyone know where it will be posted?

>>108626355
Can you go into more detail? I've been trying to figure out how much power the DPL actually has but it's really confusing. The DPL for sure has access to the money, right?

>>108626370
https://vote.debian.org/~secretary/leader2026/results.txt

STOP THE COUNT

>>108626382
So she won? Damn.

>>108626382
It was nice knowing you, debian

Does this mean Debian will now become bloated and full of memory leaks?

>>108626537
My guess is debian will still be fine for a while because the dev teams will likely keep everything running just as it was before. This will be more political/long term damage. Essentially you're getting to watch a project being subverted in real time. She will just do whatever her masters want her to and steer the ship wherever they tell her. Debian is a pretty big part of the Linux ecosystem so this doesn't surprise me. Hopefully they tell her to fuck off and die but if they let her in power we can expect to see everything become cucked, not just libtarded cucked (debian already is and has been this for a long time and it hasn't really manifested in the end product) but you'll actually just see a bunch of horrible anti-user anti-debian decisions being made probably for some hidden corporate agenda.

This is a project subversion attempt plain as day and they've been trying for a long time now

>>108626537
It's more likely that it'll just slowly get harder and harder to keep using packages it used to offer, it'll offer fewer packages, support less hardware, be harder to fork, and any user who complains they'll call a nazi.

you're not gonna continue using a distro run by murderer supporters right /g/?

>>108626615
What other community run options are there for a server? Is it only the BSDs?

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So do i have to switch now or wait until SHTF (Age Verification)?

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>>108626382
cucks, all of them! voted a woman into power. the jeeta cant do damage if them dont go along with her shit ideas, but still.

Isn't it just 1 year? Will Debian 14 even be out before the next election? Doesn't seem like enough time to do permanent damage. I'm using 13 on my server but it is completely configured as I want it and can probably survive years with no updates needed worst case scenario.
[/cope]

>>108626743
Debian 14 probably won't be out before the next election. I'm still confused on how much damage she can actually do. Tried to ask this guy >>108626355 but no response yet. It is true that the DPL is not the king, but she does have access to the org's funds and can appoint people to powerful positions. But there are checks and balances for her as well. I'm just hoping she's completely incompetent and they just step around her.

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>>108625631
>>108626382
So unfortunate to see state actors/retards/indians taking the diversity word to not only worsen open source projects but also tarnish the image of true diverse groups within those same projects (which never never had a problem with diversity in the first place other than redditors and bsky users)

pretty great to know any fucking RETARD can apply and win the elections if you had one panel at debconf

Since the votes aren't public I'm just gonna blacklist every debian developer. Sorry cucks but I'm installing Arch on my server now.

>>108626382
So has anyone used the Debian to Devuan conversion script with no issue or should I just clean install Devuan on my server?

>>108627562
read between the lines, the cunt is just saying she plans to bring in all her brothers/cousins/sisters/in-laws, landlords, personal deli shop owner, street food chefs, curry packers, etc. For as dumb as they are westerns manage to be even dumber allowing them in charge and handing over the diversity balnket to cover for their nepotism.

>>108626382
DEBIAN HAS FALLEN
BILLIONS MUST SUDO RM -RF --NO-PRESERVE-ROOT /

Can't wait for Pajeeta to replace 90% of the debian developer base with vibe coding indians just like what Nutella did with Microsoft.

No one voted for Bruce Perens either. Why didnt any of you idiots stop him then?

I’m not too worried about jeet invasion. Debian is kind of immune to this because it’s too poor. In Red Hat, for example, a jeet lead can invite more jeets for salary. But Debian can offer only dick without sugar.

>>108626382
Well, good thing I'm still on Debian 12

>>108628332
Why not join the org and eventually get yourself on the ballet. If a street shitter that barely shows up for anything can get elected, why can you?

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>>108625631
>my work laptop has debian installed
Should I switch ASAP? Where do we go for things to just werk?
>ubuntu and derivatives
Debian-based
>arch and derivatives
Not gonna fix X every other day. Not on a work laptop. Eyeballing le based Artix tho.
>gentoo
Honestly considering this, having used in on a home PC for years
>RHEL/fedora
Sure it glows, but maybe OK for work? Can ask for an RHEL license, already have it on our servers.

Shit's getting grim boyos.

>>108628361
Is Debian even going to be worth it by the time I can rise the ranks?

>jeet
it's fucking over
they won't stop until everything is destroyed

>>108626382
*Sruthi Chandran Bendran by Vitas playing in the background*

>>108628432
OpenMandriva Lx Rock, or Mageia once Mageia 10 comes out in a few weeks.

>>108628432
I'd wait and see, but obviously you should consider your options. I've decided I'll probably move to Endeavor if shit hits the fan. But it may not hit the fan, who knows.

DEBIZZAT

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>>108627478
>how much damage she can actually do
her role is administrative and social rather than technical; she can appoint some delegates for the publicity and the treasury team; resolve conflicts and "define the vision" of the project (in her case, diversity), she has also public responsibilities (which i think are the reason no one wants that position): interviews, writing updates, representing the project at conferences and building partnershipts.

the DPL doesnt have technical power, and is put into check massively by the body of the develolopers (DD) that can veto any decison she takes and by the technical committee (TC) that actually holds the technical mandate and power to resolve and override maintainers decisions.

>>108629192
She is going to bankrupt the Debian Project lmao, she plans to throw the entire treasury at India. And the cuck developers let this happen because of suicidal empathy; they didn't want to be the racists that NOTA'd a morbidly obese brown woman.

are the BSD’s safe from this type of stuff? my big issue with freebsd is the lack of docker support, but i can work around that

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>>108629212
FreeBSD isn't, that's for sure

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>>108626382
Most retarded and autistic table I've ever seen. How can you make something so difficult to decipher? Why label the rows and colums both as "Option?"

I fuckin' hate these people. Holy shit.

>>108625631
holy fucking shit we are getting cucked like there is no tomorrow bros. where you going once systemd and this pajeeta enforces age verification on this rtarded distro?

>>108626573
>Debian is a pretty big part of the Linux ecosystem
Not really. It doesn't even function as upstream for Ubuntu any more. It's in a similar position to Slackware around y2k.

>>108629984
>It doesn't even function as upstream for Ubuntu any more
Since when?

>>108629212
If you're poltard you should be using OpenBSD. Linux was never your friend.

>the the candidate that wanted to incorporate debian so that it has to follow US corporate regulations won in a L A N D S L I D E
>at the same time the bill to introduce age verification in operating systems hits congress
Hmm, nothing suspicious here

>>108630048
How the hell does anyone daily drive openBSD when it doesn't even have ZFS? Am I just supposed to let my bits get rotted and go unchecksummed?

This probably has been asked many times but what else now to use for servers.

>not a single developer publicly resigned over this
Debian is officially compromised. Anyone who works on this piece of shit or even publishes .deb installers is cucked.

>>108630814
Debian loves pedophiles.
Debian loves fat narcissistic jeets.
Debian loves giving you a dogshit old NVIDIA driver that was already dogshit and old when Debian 13 came out.
The only way this is gonna change is if a /g/ fag runs for DPL

>>108631193
They'd probably actually vote majority NOTA for that.
And if they didn't because the guy actually managed to keep his head down and appear by all measures to be the self hating white guy that every white guy is supposed to be, every single pro-user/anti-corpo would be bring his character under the same scrutiny, and he'd struggle to get anything done.
And he'd probably from get get go have people compiling everything he said and did, waiting for a big enough pile of evidence to paint a picture of a need for a recall election.
There needs to be a larger cultural shift back towards valuing freedom of speech, not constantly taking opinions as threats to life and limb, and not assuming people's opinions based on identity group membership no matter how predictable that is, for that guy to get anything done. But freedom of speech is unstable, because the moment some of it is lost somewhere it's lost everywhere because everyone makes everyone else comply, and there's no realistic way to get it back. Like once people start policing speech on their own you need someone to force them not to do that, and they'll complain about that restricting their rights.
Basically, all current generations are lost causes. The only peaceful way of getting that back is nationwide changes in the school curriculum and waiting for/forcing the internet to open up against its will for decades, which western civilization does not actually have time for.

Rather than people voting the 'jeeta instead of nota my problem is why was she the only nominee? A huge project like Debian doesn't have a single person interested in taking the lead other than a diversity pushing scam artist nominating herself at the last minute? Honestly they deserve it, I bet if anyone competent had run against her they would have won like all the other times she was a candidate.

>>108631496
The guy who was originally going to campaign got sick or injured and everyone was preparing to start a new round of nominations when the jeeta submitted her candidacy at the last minute, overrulling any attempts to redo the process. Lots of people behind closed doors took issue with this but nobody wanted to be the one to speak out against the stronk brown womyn, so she won by default.

>>108631496
>>108631516
Basically she ebay sniped the candidacy

>>108631516
Would have probably been different if it was for 4 years or something. 1 year is short enough for people who aren't very keen on conflict to just take the L and not rock the boat in order to not get called worse than hitler.

Are debian devs are doing the equivalent of pressing accept on the eula with 20 pages of terms and conditions?

>>108631717
essentially kek

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>>108626382
so as an autistic recap:
>the last viable, albeit corrupt LTS Linux distro has officially been #JEETED, and most of the nu-males on places like /r/linux will laugh it off because the only people bothering to cover this are /g/ chuds, (((Lunduke))) and Daniel Pocock
>Sruthi probably won't kill Debian since the DPL can only do so much, but she'll presumably stuff the org with nepo Indian hires, push for age attestation, waste donations on shady ""diversity"" efforts like it's 2016, and taint its reputation just like Jeremy Bicha
>MX/Devuan/etc. will probably be fine, but they're technically affected by association and have far fewer resources
>the only ""sane"" alternatives are gay updooter crap like Arch (whose wiki jannies just nuked their XLibre page, lmao), or pozzed Red Hat/Canonical corpoware
>desktop Linux is still a meme and Debian will continue to degrade into irrelevancy over 10 years after Ian Murdock's death
I don't care quite as much about boycotting software for ideological reasons these days, thanks to general culture war fatigue, but if someone was genuinely outraged by Hindus turning the entire tech industry into their designated shitting street, why the hell would they switch to Linux now when it's been compromised just as badly as the proprietary alternatives? Say what you will about modern Windows, but at least the NT kernel and Win32 API still actually fucking work, despite Microslop completely and utterly raping the rest of the OS to death under Nadella. Linux never even had that going for it, and now it's only gaining popularity because Big Tech and useful idiots like Sruthi are corrupting it into a shittier facsimile of Windows with virtually none of its upsides. For lack of a better conclusion, fuck Debian and I hope it eats shit and dies along with the rest of the modern desktop PC ecosystem, I'm going back to running Vista until I inevitably drop dead from a brain aneurysm

>>108631924
>I'm going back to running Vista until I inevitably drop dead from a brain aneurysm
I kneel. It's fucked out here

Amazing how pretty much every organization just decided to become worse of their own volition all at once.

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>>108631940
technically that was a jest since I run 7, but also I wasn't kidding, you can run modern corposhit on Vista if you're willing to track down a copy of Second System. It continues to astound me that Windows was designed in such a way that it's possible for one (1) person to extend the functionality of an only recently unsupported 19 year old release without any official source code access, while even Debian is absolutely useless for forwards *and* backwards compatibility, is only supported for 5 years max if we're being generous, and also it's jeet garbage now so who cares. What in God's name are we even doing at this point

>>108631924
>but if someone was genuinely outraged by Hindus turning the entire tech industry into their designated shitting street, why the hell would they switch to Linux now when it's been compromised just as badly as the proprietary alternatives?
Technically there's always the alternative of writing your own software, running a highly modified LFS and ignoring all updates that try to implement any sort of vendor lock-in but it's prohibitively expensive, inconvenient and there are very few people skilled enough to pull it off. I don't know. It's hard for me to articulate but after 6 years with Linux I'm starting to feel as if I've made a mistake and any further investment into learning it (administration and as a programming platform) would end up just like my efforts to learn Win32 programming in pre-11 days.

>>108632057
Linux is too fragmented to be coherent.
other than maybe slack but slack is pretty stripped down

idgaf about Debian tbf
if Debian fails and burns to the ground because of a shitjeeta, all the better for immunizing the Linux community against shitjeeta entryism further.
win-win
and it should really signal an end to the whole coc entryism too.
I hope the shitjeeta absolutely fucking destroys Debian lmfao
might make you weak pissy simps sit up and take action for the first time ever in your pathetic worm "lives"

>>108629192
Well that is at least somewhat reassuring. But I'm still worried about her legacy (ie, the people she appoints) and her ability to turn Debian from a technical project into a political one, which she has repeatedly referenced. Do you know if these two possibilities are relevant?

Also kind of off topic, but I've been thinking about trying to become a DD. Is the process hard? Do they accept NEETs with CS degrees but not a whole lot of real world experience? I really like Debian and I also need stuff to put on my resume, so I thought this might be a two birds with one stone decision.

>>108632683
I just moved to Debian because I'm tired of Fedora being a resource hog. Oh well, seems gentoo is on the horizon for me.

Also fuck the debian devs for shipping a nvidia driver TWO YEARS out of date for no reason at all. They only ship v550 when v580 is current. It means you cannot use AI tools on debian without external software resources. fucking retards

>>108632057
Retro computing and gaming is coming back because it doesn't suck ass. I can run windows XP on a pentium 4 with 128mb ram and get 80% the experience a modern INTEL i9/11 57,000K FIREBALL WITH 256GB RAM TO RUN WINDOWS EXPLORER

>>108629281
This. Why anyone would want to use software made by these retards is beyond me. Can't even format a 2x1 table

Already switched to Void on my daily and will be switching to headless void on my home lab. Ergo this doesn't affect me?

>>108632772
v550 is absolute fucking ass on Wayland, has at least 10% lower framerates in games compared to v580, and doesn't even work with the RTX 50 series.

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>>108626382
>>108629281
"debian table"

>>108632683
Debian won't burn to the ground because of this. What will happen is other distros will follow suit and enshittified linux will become the new norm.

>>108627586
Devuan uses Debian packages.

>>108629871
Age Verification won't happen, incorporating in the US and surrendering to the feds will 100% happen

>>108633119
Incorporating in the US has the direct consequence of forcing age verification, retard-kun.

>>108633154
It's probably not passing.

>>108633196
It is almost definitely passing.
Even if it doesn't, it already exists in California and a few other states which is enough for devs to implement age checks everywhere to avoid any legal issues with their ISO getting distributed in those states.

>>108633218
>It is almost definitely passing.
No, it won't, it violates HIPA and COPPA, because your OS works the same whether it's a kid using it or not. And a kid can't be expected to face-identify with a parent to use every appliance in the house.

The California one is entirely different, it just says "Provide a means to report your age", the US one is complete overstep of all boundaries.

>>108633287
Some black judge who has never used a computer in her life will just interpret it as being in compliance with COPPA because "it protects children." HIPA is whatever, you just have to include a clause in your OS's license agreement that says you agree to waive your right to medical privacy by using this software.

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i fucking lov' debian, but someone need to teach these libcucks that woman shouldnt be in any position of power, ever.

>>108633317
Can't do that last one, thankfully. Blanket statements like that do not 'chain' to every member on a trust list. So you would have to allow each and every person who would ever handle the data individually.

Thank fuck for that, too. Otherwise everyone would just demand you give it to trust LLC and sell it to india

>>108633196
Even if it doesn't pass they're still open to getting railed in the ass by patent trolls. Incorporating in the US is profoundly stupid for an open source project unless they depend on US government money.

>>108633424
Every doctor I've been to in the past year has an AI voice assistant. They ask me if I'm ok with them using it beforehand, but if I say yes then lol lmao my medical history is going straight into a public repo for anyone to buy. So yeah I wouldn't put much faith in "this is illegal because it would invade someone's privacy!"

this post is me acknowledging (not reacting, which refers to discord emojis, nor replying to) that image a few posts up

>>108633576
they probably have no fucking idea how that works and I doubt the law has caught up to that yet.
If they knew how that was working then they wouldn't be so eager to dump patient history into it

>>108633576
Also HIPA isn't something that is "illegal because it invades someone's privacy", there are real penalties associated with it instead of the usual which is "It's wrong!"

It's to the protect the medical industry as much as anyone because if patient history was capable of being bought, then Insurance companies would eat the Medical industry for knowing the true cost of everything. It's to protect the medical industry as much as the people.

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>>108625631
YOU CAN DO IT QUEEEEEN!!!! HEIL SRUTHI!!!

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>>108626382
Its Debover. Debian has fallen, Billions of servers must install gentoo.

>>108627627
And then they take over the project when they outnumber and speak louder than the old people, and always elect their jeet cousin and vote for him. It will become Desian, and it will be funny.

Debindia lol

went from debian to debil real fast

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>>108626381
This is just a step to infest debian with her jeet cousins, she wouldn't make any big move, but she'll wait until there's no one to argue against after desian will have a majority of jeets supporters. Or nothing will happen and we get someone better next election, it depends on her doings. She'll probably fail because she's a retard, but at least now we many people can see how bad debian's state is.

>>108629988
Debian these days is like an old version of ubuntu, afaik many packages are maintained by canonical.

You're overreacting, sruth said herself that she's sad that there are only 2 jeets in the project. She can only go so far with the Izzat, there are not enough jeets to code for free.

>>108628332
Jeets want to put in their resume that they "condribuded do oban saarce" when they apply to big companies like RH and Canonical.

>>108633803
they dont need that, microslop hires them by looking at their H1B visa, for example.

>>108632851
>void
someone should tell him

>>108633834
>him
*xer

>>108633832
They absolutle need. Try to post an IT remote job and you'd get billions of jeets applying. That's why they spam github repos with their update readme commits or AI slop.

>>108633839
kek enjoy the troon dictatorship, amirate?

>>108633834
>>108633839
>>108633870
Void isn't run by troons. And even if it was...
>No systemd
>No mandatory Wayland
>No age verification
Hmmmm

>>108634383
>Void isn't run by troons
stop trolling now. but void is cool in my book, since it is own thing isntead of say, a leaching protest meme.

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>>108632501
>Technically there's always the alternative of writing your own software
I mean you're not wrong per se, but I have the same stance on this as you do regarding Win32 development: why would I bother #Learning2Code now when the AIpocalypse is gradually making it irrelevant?
This'll make me sound like a lazy pseud fishing for asspats (because I am), but it feels like tech-literate non-programmers like me are in the worst possible position right now: we're cognizant enough to realize that both hardware and software are somehow getting even shittier with every passing day, but not competent enough to rebel against it in any meaningful way
>running a highly modified LFS
you've already lost if you have to manually compile and configure everything in your OS + even then, you'd still be fighting against high-level faggotry, like Rustshit infecting the kernel, and systemd gradually becoming a hard requirement across every mainstream distro. I'm pretty sure the Gentoo/LFS/etc. spergs aren't going extinct anytime soon and I wish them the best, but the Red Hat stack's already won the war, and fighting against it is going to become an increasingly uphill battle
>after 6 years with Linux I'm starting to feel as if I've made a mistake
from my perspective, you would've been fucked either way, so I wouldn't get too worked up over it. Win32 development will probably remain relevant until the heat death of the universe thanks to Wine, and as much as I like to shit on Linux, it being open source makes it far more feasible to salvage, even if I kind of doubt that's going to happen. Also I guess you could switch to one of the BSDs or something, but :^)

cuck licence, please...

>>108633084
Devuan devs are likely going to have to diverge further from Dalitbian now. If they dont they would be throwing away a giant opportunity at becoming one of the next big/leading distros.

>>108635167
When has any license ever mattered? Like how has GPL2 stopped Linux from turning into corposhit? Oh wait, it hasnt.

Linux Mint is better than debian. Not LMDE either, normal Mint based on Ubuntu

>>108633576
Whisper can run locally on CPU. This is just a return to the way it used to be tho. Time was a doctor would have a note-taker and could focus on conversing with the patient, but then the bean counters got power and made the highly paid domain expert be his own secretary.

>>108635171
Nothing has actually happened yet, so there isn't a reason to diverge. It's not like the systemd situation where you either use it or you don't, this is more of a "debian might get shitter regarding quality, but will have to wait and see." Maybe she'll be cuntblocked by the people who voted NOTA or maybe more up-and-coming zoomzoom anons can try and contribute to keep it alive. I do like Devuan though and will continue to use it for servers over Debian since I'm not a fan of systemd.

>>108635171
>If they dont they would be throwing away a giant opportunity at becoming one of the next big/leading distros.
There are absolutely no situations in which Devuan, a hobby project ran by two guys and their software consultancy, becomes a 'big/leading' distribution.

>>108625631
>an event where a Debian developer literally fucking DIED
i kekked

>>108635190
Mint is fucking outdated, bro. Clem really can't keep with the development speed of modern distros/DEs. All of current Mint's greatness is just from being based on Ubuntu.

>>108631496
Maybe the maintainers are just interested in making a distro functional and not organizing le heckin diversity inclusion events (as they should be)?

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>>108626382
It looks like option 1-2 really blew option 2-1 out of the water

>>108632745
> Becoming a developer
It depends on the distro. Most of them requires you to be "sponsored" by someone else. This means that you have to start contributing around (editing the wiki, opening detailed bug reports, etc.) and then find a mentor who can can vouch for you. The difficulty of going through this process depends on the distro philosophy: Arch and Gentoo are quite easy (at least in my experience), Debian is extremely hard and extremely unfriendly, they basically use old and outdated methods to gatekeep people.
> Stuff to put on my resume
In my case (package maintenance on Arch and Gentoo) was extremely valuable. Just this + a CS bachelor's allowed me to access any devops/sysadmin/network job without all the modern humiliation rituals needed to land a job. When you mention that you're a maintainer, they see you as a sort of server guru, definitely recommend.

>>108635789
>Mint is fucking outdated, bro
compared to fucking Debian? LMAO. Laughing m ass off. Laughing my motherfucking ass off even. You are the stupidest, gayest, niggerest motherfucker that ever talked to me.

>>108636231
>compared to fucking Debian?
Yes? Mint is based on Ubuntu 24 and will move to Ubuntu 26 at MINIMUM 4 months from now. Debian 13 meanwhile came out last year and has modern features like desktop environments with Wayland.

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>>108636215
>Arch and Gentoo are quite easy
d-does that mean chinese hackers are all over them?

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>>108636255
>modern features like desktop environments with Wayland
oh no no no did the Red Hat shill just out himself again?

>>108636534
I have a monitor made past 2016. How does X11 help me?

>>108636577
X11 just works

>>108636255
>based on Ubuntu 24
older than deb? the absolute state of mint! once the precious linux child, now just a bastard!
>>108636486
there's a lot of chinese on arch it seems.

>>108636486
I mean "easy" as is reasonable, at least compared to Debian. Debian hiring process is the most convoluted, antiquated and retarded process ever invented. Just take a look at this result page: >>108626382, a fucking txt file filled with unaligned "tables" and an awkward way to count the votes. This perfectly reflects the Debian Developer experience: everything untouched since the early 90s.

Now image having to develop an entire operating system by submitting PGP-signed diff-based patches via email where every contributor is expected to have a heavily customized (neo)mutt environment filled with obscure perl scripts. This is why the can't attract new developers and why the number of developers below the age of 30 is practically zero.

>>108636583
With monitors made past 2016? Where's my VRR? Or HDR? Or fractional scaling?

>>108636798
>hiring
ree i thought they worked for free?!

>Linux is becoming standardized slop with less and less options
>Distros becoming more and more like just literal clones of each other
>Linux is most maintained by literal troons and faggots
>DEIs every where
What happened to the straight men from the days of OG Red Hat and Slackware?

>>108633330
Wrong. Ikuyo is a woman, and she should be in power over me. Sexually.

>>108636798
>Now image having to develop an entire operating system by submitting PGP-signed diff-based patches via email where every contributor is expected to have a heavily customized (neo)mutt environment filled with obscure perl scripts.
[BASED]

>>108637186
dont forget:
>everything untouched since the early 90s
>the number of developers below the age of 30 is practically zero
[EXTRA ZASED]

>>108635789
Mint is just ubuntu LTS without new versions of gnome and snap store so it's better by default.

>>108636798
Every single thing you listed sounds extremely based and anti-sòydevpilled. Perhaps it's by design and should stay this way.

>>108636900
Use Void it's completely troon free.

>>108636801
In XLibre.

>>108635541
Almost every distro started out with much less than that. Stop being a retard.

>>108638099
The only way they would do that is by making it a completely different distro, and its entire reason for existence is aging gen X IT guys don't want to learn new things.

>>108638097
When did Xlibre add all of these features? Currently the enhanced functionality of Xlibre is not described.

>>108638113
Blabla whatever chud. Devuan CHADistro is rising to the top.

>>108626382
Out of the ~1000 or so debian developers, only 50 didn't want to obey the commands of a nocoder jeeta? Grim.

>>108637186
>>108637283
>>108637965
Delusional NEETs spotted lmao. What do you think will happen when all those (undoubtedly) experienced maintainers will retire and nobody will take their place because the gatekeeping process was too harsh combined with the fact Zoomers are progressively lesser interested in computers/tinkering than the previous generations?

We're approaching a time when the pool of available FOSS developers is tightening more and more, especially between younger generations who don't see the appeal anymore. We need a way to convince the few remaining to join these projects because otherwise, in a matter of 15 years, projects such as OpenBSD, FreeBSD and many more won't exist anymore and the few remaining Linux distro will all be corporate controlled.

>>108638469
>corporate controlled
Debian victims keep saying this as if it means something

>>108625631
How long is her term? Longer than the duration of LTS?

>>108638469
>nobody will take their place
There's no shortage of people wanting to grab control of projects, even if they aren't competent to do so.

>>108636255
>Linux Mint will move to Ubuntu 26 at MINIMUM 4 months from now
Uhhhhhh no?
https://blog.linuxmint.com/

>>108638469
It's too late, LLMs have already ensloppified the open source dev scene so badly that no matter where you look, anyone who isn't a boomer or working in a corpo like RH and Canonical is going to be a jeet or chink vibecoding everything.
I'm giving it about five to six years before free Linux and FOSS as a whole dies.

I think Linux is pretty much dead and or dying.
You either
>Go with a big distro backed with real money and professional devs who's actual full time job is maintaining the distro
>Go with an Indy distro that half-assed and dressed up as "bro we didn't do x and y z because it's up to you to build your system!" Excuse for shit level work
So which will it be?
>Big distro that actually works but you sacrifice your privacy and security and are subjected to Dei and tranny politics
Or
>Small indy distro that's half baked, broken, poorly maintained, and youll be subjected to DEI and tranny politics.
Which will be white man?

>>108639010
I think you're right, my initial assumption of 15 years was way too optimistic considering how much slope has been produced over the last few years. A lot of people are also starting to stop caring about FOSS (and places like GitHub already show that) which is very bad for the future of these projects.

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>>108638469
just look at the time.
>>108638113
it will never happen, because it was created on negation.

>>108639112
The pathology of Debian cultists never ceases to amaze me. Linux is objectively more vibrant and popular than it's ever been. The only thing that's dying is the Debian, and for reasons which have been repeated consistently for over 20 years. Debian refuses to change and refuses to relinquish any of its goals, despite failing at all of them.

>>108639622
>The pathol bla bla bla of the Deb bla bla bla Linux is bla bla bla
No where in the drivel did you even attempt to articulate a reasonable response to counter the points made.
Big distros are run with corporate interests and are slowly and steadily eliminating any semblance of choice and freedom; all the while dripping with DEI agenda.
Small indie dristros, while well-intentioned in their concept are generally and consistently poorly developed, supported, and maintained. Thus, they do not make for true daily drivers and exist more as hobbyist projects. Likewise, they too are dripping with DEI agenda.
Linux IS dying. Which each every major component becoming more and standardized, eventually there will be ONE distro. You'll get systemd, Wayland, GNOME, and a standardized package manager and you'll like it. Alternatives will cease to exist (as you so foolishly reject).

im running debian what should i do? theres like updates every 4 months and its some random thing

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>>108639112
>So which will it be?
deb, always.

>>108640222
I've said it before in this thread but I'd just wait and see. Check your options in case things go south but don't jump ship until they actually do start going south. That's what I'm doing anyway.

>>108636215
Very interesting info, thank you. I've not used Arch or Gentoo so far, but I'm pretty good at Linux and literally autistic so I imagine it wouldn't be hard to switch. Would Arch be ok with my contributions if I was only a relatively new user of the project, or would that be a red flag?

RIP debian

Just read this woman's platform. It is so over.

>>108625669
Debian seems almost as dangerous as plan9 https://disguised.work/debian/list-of-debian-suicides-accidents/

>>108640617
>Woman

>>108636798
>Now image having to develop an entire operating system by submitting PGP-signed diff-based patches via email where every contributor is expected to have a heavily customized (neo)mutt environment filled with obscure perl scripts. This is why the can't attract new developers and why the number of developers below the age of 30 is practically zero.
Wtf there are people who get paid to live this way? I thought I had to do it on my own for free.

>>108625631
I never even upgraded my Potato to Woody.
Init for life!

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>>108638469
>OpenBSD
I heard Theo's son Alexander Basedius De Raadt IV will inherit the throne.

But seriously what do you fucking want? Look at all the other projects that don't gate keep; they're spammed with AIfags and jeets condribuding do oban saarce. Patches by mail is still the easiest way to contribute to any project, you need not to signup to microslophub or their meme clone, just send mail and receive mail, how hard can it be? it only filters retards who refuse to learn anything that is harder than clicking buttons and scrolling like retarded tiktok toddlers.

>>108640630
>plan9
Did some plan9 troons kill(1) xemselves?

>>108625631
I see many chuds seething here. If you really hate le DEI and troons why not make your own chud loonix and maintain it?

>inb4 some meme distro

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wow, i just read about this. as a nixos user, i know what you're about to go through and i pity you.

>>108641080
it does look grim on the surface, but as we have seem the project is actually mostly "cismale", so i believe the idea is to attract new contributors with the diversity scheme (which on 2026 would be mostly nerd "fags").

>>108641168
if they use the nixos playbook she'll want to reserve seats on any decisionmaking group for diversity. and those diverse people will come from the outside. it's an infection.

>>108641181
>outside
read above. we have discussed how hard is to get in, and how she's under check inside the org, its more likely that she'll nominate people already inside the project (mostly old "cismale/fags").

>>108641302
She'll do whatever Microsoft pays her to do

>>108641302
She was the one complaining about mailing lists because she didn't know how to use them. She's definitely going to mandate a switch to something more user friendly in order to attract more "diverse" (read: low skilled) contributors.

>>108638967
Christmas is ≥4 months from now

>>108641181
This is what I'm most worried about. She herself is technically incompetent and doesn't really know how software works or whatever else. But the people she can appoint may actually be dangerous. In any case, I'm not leaving until the writing is actually on the wall (if it ever is).

>>108641416
she cant make any radical changes without the DD approval. i wouldn't guess the results of such a change, but debian has old foundations, people on the org have used what they have now for so long that i dont think she'll have the leverage.

>>108640211
>Big distros are run with corporate interests and are slowly and steadily eliminating any semblance of choice and freedom
Not really, and Debian has done nothing but ape RedHat for 20 years.
>all the while dripping with DEI agenda
Which one is getting taken over by street shitters and Africans again?

>>108642049
Oh shit I forgot. Africans said they don't want to use Debian either.

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ITT:
>50% misinformation or misinterpretation
>40% FUD
>10% relevant technical stuff

>>108642024
DDs clearly don't give a fuck seeing as how they elected her in the first place with almost no opposition.

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Does she have any other things on her policies that’s related to improving the actual technology of debian? Or is it all just DEI stuff. How has she contributed to the debian ecosystem in code? Either way, i’m not sure if she’ll improve debian. They won.

>>108642084
you cant talk for them, specially on our hypothetical scenario.

>>108642080
I look like this and do this

Is it worth migrating to Devuan or best to just install fresh with Void, Artix or Gentoo?

Yeah man, install Gentoo be happy, shoo shoo.

>>108642537
fuck compiling shit

What's the server OS now? Alpine?

>>108643048
Parabola

>>108626382
How the fuck do i even decipher this shit?
Why can't it just be "option 1 got x votes, option 2 got y votes"
The table is so fucking retarded

>>108643623
>"option 1 got x votes, option 2 got y votes"
Because they use preferential voting in Debian elections, like in Alaskan elections. The table records how many times Option 1/2/3/4/etc was preferred over Option 2/3/4/1/etc

>>108642296
Devuan is outdated AF.
Artix is poorly designed and maintained.
Void is based true and real.

incredibly funny that this thread is decrying the jeetification of something, when literally no one else even bothered to turn up for the role
sums up modern grievance culture that certain races subscribe to
put up or shut up, negros

>>108626382
Debian has done the needful
Hope everyone here starts looking for alternative distros before you get JEETED.

>>108644894
>when literally no one else even bothered to turn up for the role
Someone else was hospitalised during the one-week nomination period. He tried to nominate himself a day late but was rejected obviously. Sruthi as the sole candidate could have restarted the nomination process, but she didn't.

>>108645016
damn, one whole other person who obviously had other priorities
give me a break, bro. this is dog ate my homework tier excuses.
grow up and take some responsibility

>>108644894
Reasonable. It's possible to perceive their attachment to their emotional side when discussing something technical, like women. Not even the "jeetification" is evident, since the majority of the developers that did vote are white men, revealing a trend that I believe would be repeated if applied to the other 70% who did not showed up for the elections.

>>108645078
>telling a group of unpaid volunteers who are busy programming one of the most used and depended on operating systems to take some responsibility
get fucked

>>108645136
then shut the fuck up and don't complain about whoever steps up to do the job
you faggots have been making threads about this for days - maybe if you put that sort of effort into things that actually matter you'd bitch less

>>108645157
>defending an indian this hard
Post hand. Now.

>>108645078
i didn't meet the requirements, so i couldn't be nominated. debian shouldn't allow shit like this to go forward without at least 2 candidates.

>>108645078
>obviously had other priorities
What like a health emergency?

>>108645170
>pls dox yourself
nah m8, why don't you post your hand so the next claude can make a nice profile of you for pltr

>>108645200
>i didn't meet the requirements
maybe you shouldn't have wasted all your time on a mongolian basket weaving forum, and done something productive

>>108645220
in the real world you don't get to take a whole fucking week off, bro. not that hard to reach over to your phone and tap a few buttons.
or maybe it is for people like you, which would explain the state of things.

>>108645243
>not that hard to reach over to your phone and tap a few buttons
Are you saying he should have retrieved his GPG key instead of calling an ambulance?

>>108645243
And what are you doing that's so valuable to society that you're sitting here acting like a retard on a basket weaving forum replying to everyone who doesn't like the jeeta? Fucking off yourself, brownoid.

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>>108636798
>This perfectly reflects the Debian Developer experience: everything untouched since the early 90s.
But that's what I love about Debian.

>>108645266
i'm saying they had a whole week.
and apparently they felt good enough on week+1 to get around to it.
so it just sounds like convenient excuses.
probably for the best, because this person obviously didn't care much about the role.

>>108645269
i have 16 agents coding for me rn, broheim. i am productivitymaxxing. try and keep up.

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>>108645286
>so it just sounds like convenient excuses.

>>108645078
most devs are volunteers, fathers, salarymen and so on. i do believe they're responsible adults that dont want an extra social burden dealing with the duties of the dpl, hence they didnt show up.

>>108638469
>What do you think will happen when all those (undoubtedly) experienced maintainers will retire
do you think they'll retire all at once? give me a break, theres a whole networking of capable and willing people out there, its global. they have their peers and will gradually nominate their successors as they step down of their roles.

>>108645644
>just want to code
>get dragged into political gender shit with no real win if they stick around
>retire because it's not worth it anymore

>>108644861
Void is BLM. No thanks.

>>108645689
>things that only happens in my mind, pt III: the return of two more weeks

>>108645750
>He thinks there are distros without DEI, browns, trannies, and homos
lol LMAO LMFAO

>>108645981
There are, yes. Certainly there are many that dont proudly support BLM like your gay nigger Void.

>>108645997
Name one

>>108645916
*points in the direction of nixos*
well, i hope the destruction of debian leads to some actual fighting back, but i'm not hopeful.

>>108646005
HyperbolaBSD

>>108646039
we'll see, in two more weeks.

>>108645243
>in the real world you don't get to take a whole fucking week off, bro
lol maybe in America where your master (employer) doesn't care if you're sick or hospitalized, but in the civilized world we can just call in sick WITHOUT further explanations and it's the employer's duty to find a replacement and to pay while we stay at home.

>>108639112
gentoo is pretty big and has a lot of supports

>>108646270
It's only a matter of time before Gentoo falls to the globohomo troonism.

>>108646270
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Council/Code_of_conduct
already backdoored. they'll get to gentoo after the bigger targets are compromised fully.

>>108646270
the openBSD schizo was crying the other day about it being already took over.

>>108646069
BSD is not Linux, care to try again?

So what's the point of using Linux if it has indian devs like Windows and macOS? I can't stand technology anymore.

>REEEEE is that a pajeet!!?!? I CANT TAKE THIS ANYMORE. ITS OVA FOR TECHNOLOGY.

>>108646585
i say this

>>108646585
i look like this

>>108646585
This but unironically.

>https://old.reddit.com/1sq5gin
>redditards are happy about it
Leftists are mentally ill.

>>108646585
>Known to hire their own
>Anything they're put in charge was either already a former shell of themselves or will start to slowly become unusable over time due to their shit decisions.
Yes.

>>108646529
No because this distinction doesnt matter.

>>108646529
You asked for distributions; you didn't specify LINUX distributions.

what power does a dpl even have?

>she said she was gonna be active on the mailing list
>vanishes
How does one even find emails sent by a particular person on the debian mailing list? They have hundreds of lists.

>>108647073
She appoints the treasurer and can basically bankrupt the Debian Project. Which she will do as she'll just hire an Indian to throw all of Debian's cash at inviting more Indians.

>>108647073
Power to incorporate Debian in the US so it's subject to all the worst IP laws.

Will Pop_os jump to another distro btw?

>>108647464
have they beaten ebussy yet?

>>108643040
fookin installing binary shit

>>108646409
it had nothing about troons, like "respect everyone's sexuality (lit: mental illness)". It's just don't be an asshole. Gentoo is still based, because it filters all of the retards and wanna be haxors.

>>108647073
not much as the other retards want to you believe, thats for sure.

>>108647464
Isn't it based on Ubuntu?

>>108626382
Based. I voted for this. Seethe harder, nigger chuds.

>>108650202
>I voted for this
You're not a Debian Developer lol, you can't vote.

>someone notifies Debian developers that debian.org and lists.debian.org fail SPF and DKIM checks
Their response:
>final verification should ideally be done against the official Debian web archive and advisory pages.
https://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2026/04/msg00012.html
What a joke of a project. I hate people like this. Instead of saying "thanks! we'll set it up." they come up with explanations and convoluted workarounds, only to pretend that the current situation is by design and not due to oversight.

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>>108625631
Reminder that Fedora Project leader is a white male, unlike Shitbian.

>>108650995
So does this mean you could just spoof Debian addresses?

>>108651106
No, because you can check the mailing list and see that it's not genuine. :^)

>>108633870
>troon
I don't care if mentally ill people code. It's only a problem if they try to enforce pronouns through CoC or some such. It hasn't happened on void. They seem to value free speech over identity.

>>108625631
So I take it the woke bullshitting Pajeeja pretender got the vote?

So I take it debian effectively no longer exists.

Serves them right, actually: their first mistake was chosing systemd back in 2012.

Buh bye! Good riddance.

Next!

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>>108651005
we cant win everytime.
>>108651442
>They seem to value free speech over identity.
until leah has another breakdown.

>>108651990
>leah
*chris

Likelihood the next DPL undoes her damage?

>>108654285
Bruh we are never getting a non-Indian DPL ever again. She'll import thousands of Indian developers who will exclusively vote brown.

>>108654285
She's gonna be DPL for the next few years for sure.

Saarbian

If Debiantards are so intelligent, how could they even accept a vote with only one person.
Also, why in hell did nobody but jeeta compete!?

>>108656693
Because Debian is a humiliation ritual

Oh, sorry, I can't hear any of you over the awesomeness of my Slackware 15.0 install.

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>>108657870
this, but debian 13.

This doesn't bode well for Debian I'm afraid. I currently use it on my desktop and on my servers, what is an actually good alternative?

Maybe something like Alpine linux?

>>108659177
Alpine is great for servers but I wouldn't in a million years use it for desktops. If you want LTS distros that aren't jeeted, there's OpenSUSE Leap, Mageia and OpenMandriva.

>>108659177
>>108659192
why use any of that shit when Alma exists?

>>108659224
Alma and other RHEL clones have the tiniest repos imaginable, with about 3000 packages each

>>108659251
i get by just fine and i don't even use containers. i've rebuilt some Fedora SRPMs

>>108659287
If you've had to rebuild packages, then that's by definition not getting by fine since it doesn't provide what you need upfront.

>>108659302
you don't get to tell me what i need or don't need, or act like it's some kind of universal definition.

>>108659309
I don't, but you have done that for me by explicitly telling me that you've had to manually rebuild multiple packages due to them not being available in Alma's shallow repo.

>>108659326
suit yourself. plenty of people see having to install GPU drivers or codecs as a deal breaker. sometimes even sillier things, like the name of the distro reminding them of that one meme with the overweight atheist, or the fact the maintainer likes drawn horses.

>>108659177
Desktop? Void. It just works.

>>108625631
Democracy wins again!
>t. gentoo user

>>108647571
He only knows memes

>>108659466
More like Avoid this Linux lol

I like how the Debian devs accused Sruthi's opponents of being misogynists, rather than racists.

>>108662566
only the hive minded retards here care about her being brown, the real problem is that it is a woman. but again, no man stood up for the job, and they are MAJORITY, so im afraid the west has fallen.

>>108662910
Post beef.

>>108662976
he's right, debiantards had one job but nobody showed up, enjoy your curry distro

>>108662910
you're wrong. some people would always make indian jokes. the real problem was her DEI platform.

>>108663052
>nobody showed up
Somebody else applied late because he was in the hospital

>>108663052
>curry distro
she says herself that there are too little indians there. read the lines, white men voted for her because they didnt want to take up the position of a leader. not to say that she'll do any damage, i find it unlikely.

>>108663459
look at her official platform:
>>108641080

>>108659192
>Mageia
>OpenMandriva
Didn't know either were still alive kek

>>108662910
I don't know, she's pretty much a combination of all the worst things someone at the head of a massive FOSS org could be.

The funniest thing about this whole thing is how many people are just now realizing that Debian has always been managed by fucking idiots. The ion3 guy should have been everyone's wake-up call.

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picrel. her policy is more "helpers" for herself and more indian devs lmao. debian is dead and gone. it had a good run but it's over. time to move to bsd, boys.

>>108643048
Always has been.

>>108664581
FUckin hell she's only been in for what 3 days and she's already suffering burnout enough to divert funds for helpers?

>>108664581
what the fuck is this.
>>108641080
these are her own words, not someone paraphrasing it to make it more palatable.

>>108664581
>only person willing to run
Why are they trying to unperson Hector?

>>108664581
>canonical becomes microsoft of loonix
>now has to deal with their flagship product being based on a broken jeet distro
pure karma

>>108666591
Canonical would've been in a better position today if they became independent of Debian, never invented Snaps, and never had Amazon spyware.

The worst thing about Debian is that half the programs you install don't come with .desktop files nor do they change the file associations. Fucking lazy maintainers

I couldn't be assed to read beyond the first 100 posts, does anyone have real complaints about her or is it all just racism and misogyny?

>>108665957
Hector tried to get himself in the runnings after the 7 day nomination period was over, unfortunately.

Debian will get the guidance it deserves

Even on reddit 50% of the people are against this decision. JEET MICROSOFT LINUX LETS GO

https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1stt26d/proud_moment_from_a_small_state_of_india_sruthi/

>>108671621
>racism and misogyny
Those are legitimate complaints and her being from India is obviously a massive problem for a dozen obvious reasons.

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What should I change my server OS to? I might as well get started now while it's fresh.

>>108672340
Fedora: the Explorer if you're not willing to pay the Red Hat Tax.

Good enough for Enterprises, good enough for Linus.

(and I say that as a Fedora hater)

>>108672375
Linus stopped using Fedora like 5 years ago.

>>108672340
>What should I change my server OS to?
almalinux, unironically.
rhel is the most sane definition of "stable", it's not a surprise as it's a professional distro used by real people to do real things, debian is slowly dying as packages go unmaintained and no one wants to step up to backports trillions of commits for years, for free.

>>108672340
freebsd

If this bullshit leaks into Proxmox I'm gonna be livid. They should seriously consider rebasing onto another distro.

>>108672548
He installed Fedora in his LTT video a few months ago.

https://youtu.be/mfv0V1SxbNA?t=2697

>>108629212
>docker support
Just use jails you fucking dockertard

>>108672633
I happen to know nothing about linux
Does every piece of software for it require additional work to be able to run on each of the hundred distrobutions?

>>108672968
For the most part, this is the distros' problem, not the devs'.

>>108672968
>Does every piece of software for it require additional work to be able to run on each of the hundred distrobutions?
more or less but this job is done by the distro maintainers for the most part, ubuntu is still the distro with the broadest support in the sense that most software targetting linux are usually tested on ubuntu and if packaged it's probably a .deb file which is the format of ubuntu (and debian) packages.

>>108672968
They're all different operating systems, so yes essentially. Flatpaks and AppImages exist though, which run on anything as they basically do what Windows programs do and run through a compatibility layer.