Have you considered not buying e-waste?

>>108630085
No

>having to use a terminal?
Techlet retard

>>108629885
Linux solution to it is to figure out how to do this in cli, then write a bash script that does it, then make it automatic by creating a service that automatically runs your bash script. This all can be done in few minutes with zero experience if you just ask ChatGPT.

Note: can linux people reply to this thread without mad?

>>108629885
>without having to use a terminal
I don't know. If you need it, you should write it. The people who could write it for you don't need it, so here we are. Guess you're stuck with windows. Have fun with copilotOS psychologically profiling you for profit.

>>108630085
Buying e waste is pretty much the most fun you can have outside of buying brand new stuff (expensive)

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>>108629885
There are GUI tools, just depends on what distro you are using. Honestly its a thousand times easier to just alias a command on your shell and run it real quick.

>>108629885
just go back to windows we dont need retards

>>108630233
There's no "we", you don't develop shit.

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>thread asking for the most basic functionality of an OS
>"URHM, USECASE?"
>"YOU DON'T NEED IT"
>"AND IF YOU DO THEN MAKE IT YOURSELF!!!"
You niggers never change

>>108629885
You should be writing a simple script to do that even in Windows, why are you so dumb?

>>108629885
lspci?

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>>108629885
YaST I guess, but in reality there isn't a truly comparable tool, same with group policy editor and a lot of other tools on Windows.
Linux developers have this strange mindset where you're either a complete retard, or you know enough to edit configuration files manually.
It's like they can't even fathom the use case for having GUI tools for basic tasks like toggling if a USB mouse can wake a PC from sleep or not.
Absolutely nothing has changed in that regard in the last 20 years btw.

>>108630353
this follows naturally from >>108630201
windows and macos have such GUI tools because Microsoft and Apple had monetary incentive to create products that would appeal to wider audiences
there's no such incentive in the Linux world
btw, I'm fully aware Linux isn't all just volunteer work and there's both big money and big companies behind it, but these are focused on business use cases, and not the consumer side of things, with the only exception being Valve
at the end of the day, the free desktop is how it is and the end user can choose to either learn and adapt, and maybe contribute at some point, or just use something else

>>108630353
>YaST
Shame it's only for OpenSUSE AND being phased out.

>>108630259
In a sense, efaggot is right. If you don't like something, either fix it yourself or don't use it. Of course, gnome used to be exceedingly usable, and they broke it significantly (and actually made it difficult to fix yourself), but there's alternatives, so here we are.

Afaik you'd use modprobe or something to disable them.
Why is Linux allergic to UI ? Probably because the main purpose is remote servers, so everything should be doable via SSH.

>>108629885
i have a motherboard with a built in intel AX210 wifi+bluetooth which works fine but in general for wifi/bluetooth under linux you might wanna look up morrownr
/ USB-WiFi on github. there's a list of wifi adapters and bluetooth adapters there with good support in the linux kernel.

just look up rtl8761BU on aliexpress/amazon and buy any of them and youll have good working bluetooth plug and play. there are ways to hack together adapters that arent supported in the kernel but the easiest most straightforward solution is to just get an adapter that is known to work especially since theyre like 5$

>>108629885
Can't you just make a small script that you put on your desktop and run by clicking on it? This would make it an even easier process than needing to use some software like a device manager.

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Hardinfo

>>108630682
Spinning up a gui is a modest pain in the ass, especially if you're modifying a wide range of values sprinkled all over /etc. Most of the de's have some type of gui settings interface, but it's not going to have everything for everyone, because linux is a Frankenstein monster of 100's of different parts. Nobody is using their build the same way with the same stuff, so it's easier to enter a cli command or 2, or set up a cron job.

If you need a locked down system that only does a set number of things, there's alternatives.

>>108630737
Hardinfo only shows you information. It doesn't let you actually push any buttons

>>108630259
linux has the functionality, you type lsmod to see the devices and then modprobe the device you want to prevent from loading
>I don't want to use the terminal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_23dFb50Z2Y

>>108629885
none. you probe the kernel directly by writing to sysfs entries in /sys. as a bonus you can automate it in a script called by a cron job

>>108630259
Normies dont need to access any of that. Anyone capable of managing a GNU/Linux installation (sysadmins/devs) can already do it through the terminal, and don't need it. The "windows powerusers" who doesn't even know how to use powershell will fall into a void when using GNU/Linux because they don't actually understand tech at all and can't manage a system without a curated GUI.

As long as no one cares to develop anything for them this issue will persist and will cause them to go back to windows every time. They of course will never develop anything or even pay anyone to do it for them. They can only complain.

>>108631115
Why stop at a terminal? You think you understand computers because you're typing in commands? Why aren't you writing x86 assembly code to make the computer do what you want it to?

>>108631201
A terminal is more efficient and accurate than a GUI application. Writing assembly for a specific task is not.

>>108630199
Linux people are permanently mad and frustrated, understandably

>>108631115
As a former Windows poweruser, adapting to Linux has taken me a very long time. I still have days where I wish there were a current version of Windows that wasn't shit. The closest that exists is LTSC IoT 2021.

>>108629885
>What's the Linux equivalent to device manager, without having to use a terminal?
There really isn't one. There's apps that give you info on devices, but there isn't a direct replacement for Device Manager that gives you a GUI to actually manage all your devices.

>>108629885
You can do that through any Bluetooth app in linux

>>108631226
>A terminal is more efficient and accurate than a GUI application
How is typing something in and grepping for the devname and whatever (+ entering the root password) more efficient than Right Click + Disable device?

>>108631315
if you've done it once and need to do it again and again like OP you should just write a shell script, which will be much more efficient than opening a GUI and click a bunch of buttons every time

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>>108629885
In Gnome you have this menu where you can easily turn Bluetooth on or off.

>>108631384
What if you want to change the driver the Bluetooth device is using?

>>108630199
Clearly not, the midwits are seething. Why the linux enthusiast (who doesn’t even contribute) becomes so angry at any perceived critique of linux should be studied.

>>108629885
you can open /sys with thunar and edit files inside with geany

>>108631390
Then you use the package manager.
It's similar to installing an app on iOS/Android.

And no, you don't have to use the CLI, there is also a GUI (simply called "Add/Remove Software" in Gnome), if you prefer.

>>108631284
Those just disable the bluetooth driver, which doesn't fix the issue because what you actually need is to power cycle the radio

>>108631390
recompile kernel

>>108631384
Read: >>108631483

>>108631483
Get a newer bluetooth adapter or outright a better pc holy shit stop being poor

>>108629885
just write a script to do it and bind it to a hotkey

How would you get the OS to not put the NIC to sleep to save power in Linux?

>>108631531
open /sys, find the device, open power/control file with sudo text editor, write on instead of auto, save

>>108631574
How would I know which device it is

>>108631583
just click on the folders nigga, try /sys/class/net for start

Linuxtroons when people joke about the terminal
>never ackshually it's not the fucking 90's anymore, you never have to use the terminal if you don't want to, it's just as easy as windows!
Also linuxtroons when someone asks how to do basic shit
>lmao just open up terminal and write a custom script you fucking techlet! Are you fucking stupid? Just use the fucking terminal!
And then they wonder why only autistic weirdos with too much free time use linux, the linuxfag brain is truly an anomaly.

>>108631338
You shouldn't HAVE to write a shell script. Basic amenities like this should just be part of the operating system.

>>108631689
>how is x more efficient than y
>here is why x is more efficient
>you shouldn't have to do x
amazin'

>>108630199
Is it really unreasonable to get a little upset when people download an entirely new operating system and then endlessly ask questions about how to turn it into an exact copy of the operating system they abandoned?

>>108631689
You shouldn't have to power cycle any devices to begin with.
If it's not a hardware issue it's probably a Microslop Winslop vibe coding mishap.

>>108630259
What makes you think Device Manager is a metric?

>>108631713
>here is why x is more efficient
How is researching all that stuff, writing the script, debugging it, and then having to adapt it for each individual device you might want to disable more efficient than just right-clicking and hitting disable?
>>108631739
It's a hardware issue since I get the same problem on Linux

>>108631731
It is reasonable for people to be upset when roundabout terminal stuff is needed to do things that really should be exposed via the GUI. Windows has similar problems, for instance you cannot see your battery health on Windows without using CMD. Terminal madness is a problem on Windows and it's a problem on Linux.

>>108631809
>How is researching all that stuff, writing the script, debugging it, and then having to adapt it for each individual device you might want to disable more efficient than just right-clicking and hitting disable?
because the former you only have to do once?

>>108631809
>It's a hardware issue
Then buy a new $10 dongle.

>>108631827
>because the former you only have to do once?
I still have to click on the script on my desktop every time, so at the end of the day I'm still clicking shit and it ain't a one time thing. And frankly, consoles look ugly, whereas Device Manager is a lot less visually depressing. This exercise has not imbued me with a sense of superiority as it has to you, rather I feel an urge to install the Qt Toolkit and create a Device Manager clone so that other people don't have to put up with this shit.

>>108630657
He didnt beratre linux at all
just asked if a gui program was available
mf'ers in this thread love using CLI so much, why do they themselves use a GUI at all? "Because its more convienent" So, the same reason OP is asking. hypocritical pretentious bullshit

>>108631859
>I feel an urge to install the Qt Toolkit and create a Device Manager
Please do. Then the copilot tech illiterate migrants can bluetooth in peace.

>>108631685
TRVKE.

They also don’t really want linux to be too easy, because then there’d be no justification for their superiority complex.

>>108631870
wat

>>108631878
Preferring a GUI makes someone tech illiterate? Holy larp. You’re a hacker, Neo!

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>>108631880
This you?

The /dev/ folder, retards. Anyone who doesn't know this shouldn't run Linux

>>108631886
You're the elite hacker that's going to make a device manager and lead retards that can't ctr-alt-t to the promised land.

I believe in you!

Wait till they complain that your interface is unituitive and doesn't work with their aliexpress rgb bluetooth buttplugs.

>>108629885
Sorry OP, the answer is there is no easy way to do this without searching for esoteric commands to run in a terminal.
You cannot use linux without looking stuff up, it's not meant for that.

>>108631713
you didn't show it's more efficient
you assumed a GUI cannot be automated then bullshitted your irrational linux nonsense onto a post

>>108631922
Different Anon lol

>>108631901
When your command line shell is written by a black man, your comment seems a bit silly.

>>108631934
That would make Rakim's comment silly, as it provides further evidence that people like you and him aren't victims of a plot to exclude the melaninated, but you're in fact simply retarded.

>>108631927
>esoteric commands to run in a terminal.
They think these incantations mean they “know tech” or that they “understand how their computer works”. I’ve heard IT nerds call Physics PhDs retards because they didn’t know how to resolve a missing library. They are nothing but tech janitors.

>>108629885
>without having to use a terminal
no, go back to windows

>>108631958
rhetorical nuke

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>>108631731
Would having the option of using a GUI really turn Linux into Windows?

>>108631995
The beauty of Windows is you have a GUI method, and a terminal approach. Where the latter is useful for automation, or I suppose if you want to larp as a hacker like most of the lintards ITT.
>I typed in the commands, I’m no not normie. Look at me go!
In reality, this “skill” has already been replaced by AI. Above I called them tech janitors, really they’re nothing.

>>108632005
It wasn’t even worthy of a reply.

>>108632026
k rakim
>linux be hard n shit
Are you sure you're not just retarded?
>nah u racist we was bash n shitt
Never said anything about being black. Just asked if you're retarded
>u mean. I ain't got time 4u

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>>108629885
>What's the Linux equivalent to device manager
the /dev directory. no i am not shitposting

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>>108632193
What would happen if i did this as root

cat /dev/urandom > /dev/mem

>>108632227
it would be extremely painful

>>108632236
you're a big kernel

>>108632244
For gnu

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>>108632227
Why don't you give it a try then tell us how it goes?

>>108632227
/dev/mem is disabled on pretty much any standard kernel.

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>>108631685
I write powershell scripts on Windows to automate shit.
>t. winjeet

A file folder is NOT an alternative to a GUI application

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I was looking for a KDE equivalent and it has a neat app called the "Info Center" surprised no one mentioned this yet after so much shit flinging

>>108630773
>Spinning up a gui is a modest pain in the ass
FALSE

Spinning up a GUI in a piece of shit ecosystem like freetards' is a pain in the ass. Windows chads just use winforms and get a usable UI to toggle and change shit in a matter of minutes

>>108632351
It was already mentioned and not an alternative because you can’t make changes in it

>>108632345
it is what it is man. it was made 50 years ago to work like that.
look up
>Everything is a file

>>108632376
What functionality does the device manager provide besides updating drivers and turning them on/off? That kind of finicking is unique to Windows where things are constantly broken.

>>108632414
My retarded Bluetooth radio is retarded regardless of OS.

>>108632359
>winforms
I had to look it up. A drag and drop app maker. Neat! You should show OP, so he can not use linux.

>>108632442
I sympathize cause I have to do something similar for my shitty pre-built computer. Have you tried making a script with modprobe like people have suggested? Probably would be more convenient anyways than clicking around in the device manager.

>>108632359
>winforms
use gpu accelerated gui, grandpa. WPF has been out for 20 years now

>>108630199
linux people when they see a useful GUI that doesn't exist in linux go into some weird autistic screeching mode about TUIs
it's like the thumbnails in file picker all over again

>>108630259
>>108630259
>thread asking for the most basic functionality of an OS
That's called booting.

>>108632536
Literally nobody. People said nope, you need to make your own if you want it, and laughed about his aversion to the terminal.
>hi, I'm using the terminal OS. How do I not use the terminal? I think linux is broken.
What type of response is expected? Dumb

>>108631689
You should know hoe to write shell scripts if you administrating a machine that runs, them actually. Seems like a basic expectation.

>>108629885
>2026
>Linux STILL doesn't have an equivalent to this
And OpenSuse is letting Yast die, replacing it with inferior generic stuff

>>108632570
>I'm using the terminal OS
Desktop environments literally exist so that you don't have to use the terminal

>>108632601
That's a severe reach. Like saying windows exist so you don't have to go outside.

>>108632490
>gpu accelerated gui for a couple of buttons and drop down menus

>>108632620
what

>>108632728
Ask copilot... you can find it in your notepad or minesweeper apps... for a quick lesson in analogous thought.

>>108629885
>My Bluetooth radio
hold on
do you mean a radio, like the device that lets you listen to 101.9 Normie Hits FM, which connects to your computer by bluetooth?
or do you mean the antenna that plugs into your USB port and lets your computer connect to bluetooth devices?

Deepin Linux has something similar

>>108629885
IIRC Manjaro and Mint have a device manager-like thingie.
What I don't understand is my wasn't there an initiative by FreeDesktop or the Linux Foundation to at least make a "device manager" abstraction layer or API for DEs to easily implement??
Like NetworkManager but for kernel modules.

>>108632686
yes. you will see why that matters if you want to animate shit. besides, offloading drawing from cpu to gpu is always a good decision

>>108631450
>the [...] should be studied
>>>twitter
Also yeah I wonder why people would be mad that something they like is being made fun of. Really is a mystery. Guess I should tell /v/ that if they didn't make the game they have no right to get mad.

>>108630259
>most basic functionality of OS
>refuses to use the command line
>>108630191
>>108630224
Correct.
GUI dependence for basic tasks is crippling.

>>108630199
Nobody's mad. Many just don't know the answer because no one would ever want or need anything like the windows device mangler for a task like this.

>>108630441
The windows device manager is like 30 years old. 'Incentives' to make a usable OS haven't been relevant for decades. If they were, device manager would be greatly improved over what it used to be. Instead it's the exact same while everything around it has gotten worse.

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just type systemctl restart bluetooth.service

>>108633686
he should also clarify what he means by "power cycling", disabling a device in device manager doesn't really cut the power to the device

>>108634115
That only restarts the driver. That doesn't fix the electrical issue because you need to actually power cycle the radio.

>>108630259
I will defend Linux to the death because it is objectively a superior choice to windows for any and all computer users.

However, the reaction to this thread is embarrassing. It's not really that hard to just say 'No one made that yet', or at least not that you know of. Good chance someone did make it if you know where to find it. No need to have an autistic meltdown. I see why people hate Linux users now.

>>108630353
>It's like they can't even fathom the use case for having GUI tools for basic tasks like toggling if a USB mouse can wake a PC from sleep or not.
there's a config flag for that, and what your GUI tool is doing is writing a flag into a config file. it's literally a text editor without text editing capabilities

>>108632359
>winforms
along with user 16 ui frameworks that got killed and never finished?

>>108635423
What do you think enable/disable device does in device manager? It does the same sort of driver unload load.

>>108634095
>Instead it's the exact same while
It stays that way because Microsoft has trained tens of thousands of IT pros on that tool, and there’s really no reason to change it. If some Windows programmer suggested it to his boss, the suit would lean over him and shout, “MONEY CASE?”… to be fair though, there’s an opportunity for Copilot powered Device manager… I’ll make some calls.

>>108635800
It power cycles it, which is evidenced by how disabling bluetooth in the systray on Linux doesn't fix the issue

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>>108635693
See, this is the retarded attitude I was talking about.

>>108634074
>look ma, I'm a hackerman!
You people are so lame.
And then you wonder why you're still virgin and blame women for it.

>>108630191
It can be done in a few minutes with zero experience if you just read the fucking manpages.

>>108636350
>And then you wonder why you're still virgin and blame women for it.
I use windows LTSC and iOS and I still blame em

>>108633963
>animate shit in a device manager
lmao
>offloading drawing from cpu to gpu is always a good decision
except when you actually have to write important utilities that should be guaranteed to run on anything

>>108635800
It power cycles the device
T. Have GPU enclosure

>>108636714
>>108635971
I just tested this with my usb drive and it doesn't cut the power

>>108629885
>without having to use a terminal?
On Linux, there often is a GUI to complete a given task, but not always. But there is ALWAYS a CLI way to complete any task. Using the terminal gives you full control and it isn't even that hard to learn to use. Why wouldn't you want to use it?

>>108636748
I've been down this rabbithole, not all USB hub chips have managed power pins

>>108636773
and you can't find anything about it cutting the power to the device, it will give it a lower power profile but not turn it off

>>108636769
>Why wouldn't you want to use it?
Because it's quicker and easier to just click something instead of doing homework

>>108629885
Linux Mint and CachyOS KDE have something close to this. However, there isn't a 'try a different driver' thing for Linux. Support is added to the kernel and managed by the Bluetooth daemon your Distro uses. There is a power on/off feature in general, but I haven't tested Mint and CachyOS to see if the GUI let's you do it or not.

>>108636748
Depends on the device. If you disabled spinning drive via devmgmt.msc it too powers off the disc spindle (or in newer drives, park the reading head)

>>108635677
All threads like this are ultimately just bait threads to catch Linux users off guard because even if their Distro had this feature they wouldn't know because we're on a technology board full of heavy terminal users. If it is a genuine question it'll become a bait thread as other people post. After 10000 "why doesn't Linux work exactly like Windows lol Linux sucks" threads you stop giving OP the benefit of the doubt.

>>108629885
Save a txt file as .ps1 and put this in

Get-PnpDevice -FriendlyName *bluetooth* | Disable-PnpDevice | Enable-PnpDevice

You can launch it from any place or put it in task scheduler if there's a pattern to when you need to disable > enable the device. Ask chatgpt for a cmd command to get the syntax for that

>>108636958
Yeah but just look at how fucking stupid the advice is
>just write a script
to someone who has never written code or opened a terminal before is saying:
>just learn conceptually what programming even is
>then reframe the way you understand computers
>then learn a skill which is about 3 levels of abstraction beyond what an average person would be capable of, and is a significant investment of time and mental energy even for someone capable
>then if you don't know what to do just read the man pages
>if you don't know what a man page is read the man page on man pages
>then after that it will be 2029 and it will only take you a few minutes
This is being offered as the alternative to 'click one button'. Maybe some of you guys grew up doing nerd shit on computers, but I didn't and was afraid of the terminal at first. Obviously once you get used to it it's fine, but it shows tremendous detachment from reality if you think that getting a beginner to understand what 'write a script' even means is equivalent effort to clicking one single button.

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>>108629885
There is a switch at the top right corner. Try clicking on it and see if it works.

>>108637105
It's called blueman, ai recommended it to me when I wanted to connect my laptop to a bluetooth speaker

>>108637070
>This is being offered as the alternative to 'click one button'
No. By and large, the alternative was use a system that has what you're looking for. In essence, stick with windows.

>>108637112
kys

>>108637122
Why?

>>108636356
It can be done if you read the manpages, but with zero experience it'd be closer to several hours.
Someone with zero experience isn't going to know what terminology to look for, which makes even searching for the relevant information frustrating and near impossible without fuzzy search queries. This is why Linux has its user-unfriendly reputation despite technically giving you everything you need.

>>108634028
no one with an iq above 85 takes personal offense to criticism of "something they like"

>>108637118
That simply isn't true. Do I need to go through this thread and highlight every reply telling him to write a script or something similar? Telling him to stick to windows is also retarded, he's already on Linux and it can presumably do everything he needs except this one thing.

This board is completely retarded though so that's what you get.

>>108637409
You're completely retarded

>>108632290
autism

>>108637070
scripting isn't programming, I don't know why you would boost about being incapable of learning new things. at some point in your life you managed to find the device manager, it's not something you you find in the settings panel, you didn't find it out of intuition to solve your bluetooth problem, you had to learn how to do it. you're pretending to be retarded but it only makes you look retarded.

>>108636416
it has got a software renderer fallback
>that should be guaranteed to run on anything
If you want to take this to the autistic levels, you wouldn't use either of those. they both run on .NET. you would rather write a WIN32 utility in C++ or Rust

>>108632570
Maybe OP is just wrong.
As others said, half the functionality of the device manager is already in the package manager.

>>108631483
Run:
rmmod btusb
modprobe btusb

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>>108630259
gonna start bringing up the device manager any time a linux user gets uppity now

>>108629885
>without having to use a terminal?
embrace terminal. i'm interested why you use linux but dont use terminal? using a touchscreen or disabled or something?
sorry i cant answer your question i understand how shit this makes me for posting an answer to a q you didnt ask

>>108631731
based autistic retard

>>108631450
It's parasocial. They experience it as their secret club.

>>108639775
>Device manager
>Active directory
>Excel
>OneNote
>Xlibre
>Systemd age-verification
>Nvidia support
I’m sure I missed some, but there’s a host of topics which cause a certain type of person to just lose their mind.

>>108641284
I get most of these but
>onenote
literally who cares?

>>108630682
A CLI is the most efficient and reliable UI for most applications, given an end-user who isn't retarded. GUIs tend to get in the way as often as they help.

The catch is that retards make better customers so there's been a consistent and pervasive incentive in the software world to make users as retarded and dependent as possible.

This is a subcategory of the abstraction dilemma.

>>108641317
It’s a really high quality Microsoft program, very popular with students, and lacking a decent open source equivalent.

>>108641284
Excel works fine dumdum

>>108641387
Umm, yeah. In Windows. Linux doesn’t quite have a response yet, although I will say OpenOffice (being forked as EuroOffice) is extremely impressive. Probably good enough for all but the elite excel users.

>>108641406
No, Excel works on Linux just fine.

>>108641413
The web app? Incomplete, and obviously not a FOSS replacement.

>>108641413
Really?
you’ll have no trouble showing me Build 19127.20622 running then

>>108641430
No... Full Excel.

>Faggots don't know the whole office suite runs on linux now
update your script jeets

>>108630191
You forgot config files all in nonstandard locations with inconsistent priority and override rules.

>>108641451
What is this, some sort of reverse bait? Do go on.

>>108641451
>The Wine-based options limit you to Office 2016 or older and only the core apps (Excel, Powerpoint, Word) are working. Office 2016 is still mostly okay and quite similar to the newest Office versions, although you're going to miss out on some useful Excel function like IFS, MINIFS, MAXIFS, XLOOKUP, UNIQUE, and SWITCH https://bettersolutions.com/excel/functions/updates.htm
>VM-based - Integrate Windows apps running in a Windows virtual machine as native-looking in Linux
>The VM-based options means can run Office 2024 or Office 365 including all apps, but while the Windows apps themselves run flawlessly (as they're running on real Windows) there's various freerdp-related bugs you may encounter.
So not running on Linux, running in a VM aka on Windows KEK
https://gist.github.com/eylenburg/38e5da371b7fedc0662198efc66be57b

Why do Lincux cope so hard lmao

>>108639794
>i'm interested why you use linux but dont use terminal?
When will /g/ learn that Windows has a terminal too?

seething

>>108641476
Loonix fans aren’t ready for this conversation, but Powershell is superior to Bash as well. Instead of parsing and stitching together inconsistent text from one app to another, PS lets you work with objects. PS is on linux these days too, hopefully it’ll become more popular.

>>108641501
.net is gay

>>108629885
>without having to use a terminal?
That's like asking to do things on Windows without opening a window. Yeah maybe someone took the time to make that for you but the terminal is the UI primitive on Linux like the window is on Windows.

>>108641501
>Instead of parsing and stitching together inconsistent text from one app to another, PS lets you work with objects.
FUCK THIS.
I've written enough YAML to know how that ends.

>>108636794
Hitting tab is easier than servoing the mouse pointer over tiny controls or clicking through tons of hieroglyphs and poorly thought out menus.

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>>108629885
>What is the Linux equivalent to random windows garbage
New bait meta? I remember why I stopped coming here. Kill engagementfarmers. Behead engagementfarmers. Roundhouse kick an engagementfarmer into the concrete. On fucking 4cuck of all places. Fuck is there to gain? This shit goes 404 in a day or two max then what? (should be a minute or two max you dumb niggers who bump it all day)

>>108630441
>windows and macos have such GUI tools
What's the Macintosh equivalent to Device Manager?

>>108641614
System Information.

>>108630824
you only ever push buttons in device manager if something doesn't work and you push random shit until it does without any idea what it's actually doing

>>108641471
>no replies to this
Lindolts bodied completely

>>108630259
>>thread asking for the most basic functionality of an OS
its literally just (really shitty) hardware info and a space to click random shit in hopes of making your broken device drivers work which it never does and it only gives cryptic error codes too

devmgmt.msc sucks and so does diskmgmt.msc to the point I use diskpart and it's CLI and it still sucks because it's microsoft

>>108641626
>if something doesn't work
And on Linux if something doesn't work you have to use a fucking console

>>108631685
>basic shit is buying broken hardware and not getting your money back
I'm good bro. I only do advanced shits these days and you should try too.

>>108641667
you have some phobia of white monospace text in a black box? I am not a neuropsychiatrist I can't help you with that shit

>>108641624
linux has like at least 3 equivalents to this
hardinfo
kde has their own thing
linuxmint has their own thing too
and then if you wish to look at how your CPU die is set up internally, there's lstopo

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>>108635817
>good morning saar I am trained in devmgmt.msc I finished DURGASOFT DEVMGMT.MSC COURSE I am Professional Devmgmt.msc Random Shit Clicker
They would probably give an H1B to you for that saar.

>>108637070
>Yeah but just look at how fucking stupid the advice is
>>just write a script
>to someone who has never written code or opened a terminal before is saying:
A shell script is literally just a list of commands in a text file that you would have typed into the terminal. The only reason people are afraid of the terminal is because they've been trained to be by people who profit from learned helplessness.

>>108630353
another obv troll but anyway
>It's like they can't even fathom the use case for having GUI tools for basic tasks like toggling if a USB mouse can wake a PC from sleep or not.
Not at all. Such a feature would be nice. The reason your point is retarded here is the windows method isn't convenient or intuitive either. You can't right-click your Windows desktop, open up the display settings, and find anything related to disabling mouse-wake. It just isn't there.
First you have to find the control panel.
Then you have to discover that the answer ISN'T in the power settings. The category that literally says "change when the computer sleeps" is the WRONG ONE.
You have to know to go to the device manager, the one with the shield in front of it warning that you're entering sysadmin territory.
You have to poke through the device manager to find the mouse, find the tab with the right checkbox, and you have to be careful to shut of ONLY the mouse and not the whole USB hub or else you'll be fucked next time you try to use your keyboard to wake from sleep.

So, both processes are a sysadmin-tier task. The difference is that the windows one is cumbersome every time you have to do it, while the linux one is only cumbersome the first time.

>>108641710
>you have some phobia of white monospace text in a black box?
They literally do.
They are trained to be afraid of it.
I've been working with cli-phobic people for a long time. Granted, most of them are actual smart people (postdocs in science, etc.). But they ALWAYS find it easier than they thought it would be.

>>108641754
>The only reason people are afraid of the terminal is because
Is because it looks ugly and doesn't do the job in one click.

>>108632414
>That kind of finicking is unique to Windows where things are constantly broken.
Lolno.

>>108641779
Motherfucker, the bluetooth radio itself is a crapshoot and is therefore unreliable on Linux as well. Stop being coy.

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>>108641763
>But they ALWAYS find it easier than they thought it would be.
normies have been conditioned to think "lots of text on dark screen = hackerman" for so long I can't blame em for being a little fearful
but going to /g/ to bitch about a command line is inexcusable

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>>108641817
No, I've been conditioned to think that Aero Glass is the peak of UX, because it is. If your interface isn't as pretty as Windows 7's, you fucked up.

>>108632414
>What functionality does the device manager provide besides updating drivers and turning them on/off
I have never even actually managed to update drivers with devmgmt
>>108632442
There should be a way to turn off specific USB ports in linux if reloading the kernel module doesn't fix it.
Also automating this would be piss easy, it's basically built in to the system, not like whatever the fuck hoops windows would have you go through.

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>>108641838
Snow Leopard was prettier but you won't catch me using that shit

>>108629885
you don't need a device manager in linux because no devices work with it anyway

>>108641899

this. linux has no drivers for any of your interfaces.

baby duck retard
i bet you can go into settings and click disable or something

>>108639775
I never would have imagined the Device Manager discussion would be 9/11 for the linux world. This is going to live rent free in their minds so much that it will permanently occupy their L1 cache.

>>108630199
A lot of this depends on what window manager you are using, if any.
With some you could do the equivalent from the systray, with others you can't.

>>108642036
>equivalent from the systray
Again, the systray stuff doesn't power cycle the bluetooth radio; it only disables the driver.

>>108631731
>Is it really unreasonable to get a little upset
yes. this is a basket weaving forum. the strongest response you should have to anything but the most weaponized retardation is ignoring it

>>108631259
Still using 7

>>108639578
>they both run on .NET
and? .NET is compiled for every platform Windows supports
>WIN32
Winforms is a wrapper for Win32
>C++ or Rust
C# is memory safe and way easier to use

>>108641364
>A CLI is the most efficient and reliable UI
>GUIs tend to get in the way
So which DE do you use?

>>108629885
Try bluetoothctl

>>108643187
GNOME at the moment.
Because it's the default for my distro.
I tweak very little (desktop resolution, shutting off the dock entirely, a few hotkey changes). I used to make the window top bars slimmer but they removed the ability to do that.
Alt-tab and super-tab for switching windows. Super-up/down to change desktop. Super-a for the launcher to start the handful of apps that I usually don't launch from the cli (browser, file manager, steam apps and virtualbox).

>>108641838
Aero has always looked tacky and bad,.a downgrade from the Windows 2000 look.
Windows 7 was the best user windows, though.

>>108641776
That's not why. That's the rationalization(ie cope).
The real reason is conditioned helplessness, driven by people who make money from controlling people and making them dependent.

>>108643994
>Aero has always looked tacky and bad
People like you are why we have Windows 11

>>108644040
Wrong. Windows going to flat and stupid doesn't somehow retroactively make aero look good.

>>108645927
Correct, because Aero always looked good and only joyless fucks disagree.

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>>108641754
>everyone who disagrees with me is a troll
Oh fuck off
No, the Windows method isn't perfect, but you're fighting a strawman you created.
It's not a sysadmin-tier task, it's a poweruser task, something Windows at least lets you do via GUI, even if not particularly well.
By comparison everything in Linux assumes you're either a complete noob or a sysadmin, there's no poweruser middle ground.

>>108643973
>GNOME at the moment.
>but they removed the ability to do that.
HAHAHAHAHAH

>>108629885
lshw-gtk

>>108632019
this really is it, they are convinced they're leet because they copy pasted a bunch of commands from ubuntu.org and watched the terminal output fill up with cryptic code.

>>108632414
it provides a bunch of detailed info about the devices?

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Nah. I am leet because I copied a bunch of commad from freebsd.org

>>108647440
Read one reply further back idiot.

>>108647462
i accept your concession

>>108641845
>I have never even actually managed to update drivers with devmgmt
I forgot about this too, it has never worked for me in updating a driver. So that feature is just a facade, the only thing then is how it lets you disable and swap different drivers.

>>108646294
>It's not a sysadmin-tier task, it's a poweruser task,
Semantic faggotry.
Doing shit with the device manager is no more "power user" behavior than a linux power user running the equivalent command lines. You can seriously fuck up your windows system if you don't know what you're doing in the device manager.
Real Linux "sysadmins" if you're going to draw that distinction, aren't fucking around with wake-on-suspend settings.

>>108639992
It really just boils down to that. Linux is for autists what streamers are for normalfags. Something to latch on to and base their entire existence around.

>>108647477
The answer is ITT already, moron. The post you responded to is SPECIFICALLY talking about modifying things, not just displaying info. God what an idiot.

>>108629885
try with troonbrix or TINADM (this is not a device manager)

>>108647451
Sounds like using bsd would be extremely painful.

>>108629885
dmesg

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>>108630824
>pushie butties
lel

>>108647522
it requires as much setup as vanilla arch. the problem is always the drivers. it doesn't support as much hardware specially wifi and bluetooth adapters

>>108647514
i wasnt looking for an answer you retard

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>>108647504
Are you actually a retard or merely pretending?
No, toggling an option through a GUI and doing it via terminal is fundamentally different user experience, which is the point of the discussion.

>>108647880
It's a different ux but not substantially harder or easier in either case.

>>108647538
Obviously. Hence you are correctly called out for flagrant faggotry.

>>108629885
I swear I ran across something like that when I was checking out the gui on Mint Cinnamon.

>>108647504
>researching UNIX file trees and commands is just as easy as opening a program called "Device Manager" and scanning your eyes at the screen to look at your devices

>>108647024
That only SHOWS you information; it doesn't have any buttons to press

>>108647531
/thread

>>108647531
But that's terminalshit

>>108639794
>i'm interested why you use linux but dont use terminal?
It is extremely easy to understand that someone might enjoy having a faster operating system with a better desktop environment, lower RAM usage, fewer crashes, and no spyware.

>>108634074
>GUI dependence for basic tasks is crippling.
Did you post this through a terminal?

>>108629885
>Linux
>without using terminal
kys

>>108649911
>NOOOO YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO WANT A MORE OPTIMISED SYSTEM!!! YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO WANT NO SPYWARE!!! YOU HAVE TO BE A SCRIPT KIDDIE LIKE ME!!!!!

>>108649946
People who want optimized systems use the cli console. This is true even on Windows. Linux console experience is just better most of the time.

>>108649708
Of course not. The point you imagine you're making is stupid, though.

1. Cannot solve the captcha from terminal
2. It's an image board, meant to be browsed with images next to the text.
3. Downloading all the images in a thread is trivial from the console. Otherwise you have to install some HIV browser extension or click click click on every single one you want.
4. I'd at least use a keyboard-centric TUI for 4chan if there was a good and fast one that could display images without looking all fucked up. But I don't know of any browsers like that, that are still maintained. There was one called conquerer back in the day, there's emacs eww, but they can't handle most of the tardphone era web. I used to browse the web with Lynx from a terminal all the time.

>>108629885
Don't need it because drivers don't shit the bed every five minutes like windows does.

>>108630191
It's kinda funny how you can now do this on windows too except it has to regurgitate 20 lines of incomprehensible powershell slop.

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A while ago someone made a terminal client for 4chan.
https://github.com/tuqqu/tui-chan
Linux's GUI-less philosophy is really cool, even people who like Windows will tend to prefer DOS and its simplicity, however there should be a commitment to doing everything from terminal.

i'll never understand dealing with absolutes when it comes to terminal vs gui when they both are better at specific things. I don't want to deal with process management in a terminal but I'm not gonna fire up a fully featured gui just to fetch the machine's ip either.

>>108651801
There are no absolutes. It's only winbabies and mac/iphone babies with learned helplessness who fear the command line and require a gui for everything.

>>108649331
Did OP say it can't be?

>>108652964
nigga your fellow troons are literally proving you wrong in this thread

>>108629885
Linux is a kernel, it doesn't have graphical interface or even a shell desu.
What you want to ask is if your desktop environment has any graphical utility like that. And that entirely depends on your DE. You can go through it and figure it out maybe, but why bother instead of learning low level command to do exactly what you wish. This way you will have way more control and you will be able to automate it later on if you wish. If you do it frequently you might want to make an alias or bind it to a key combination for example.

>>108637070
My nigger in christ I was able to understand what batch script did on windows very quickly when I was like 8
If you are the kind of person to get scared of writing 1 script then return the broken BT dongle and get one that doesn't have fucking defects!!!!!!

>>108641899
>connect PS3 controller/PS eye to windows
>doesn't work
>Google
>read some posts on some old forum that you need to install some shady drivers from some shady website
>the website doesn't even have them anymore, you need to use some even more shady reuploads
>the drivers come with some weird GUI for some reason??

>plug PS3 controller/pseye into Linux machine
>it just works

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>>108646294
Avatarfagging is verboten and you're being exceptionally faggy with it too

>>108649946
>eternally more abstraction = MOAR OPTIMIZED SYSTEM!!!!!
what the actual fuck is wrong with people today...

>>108653120
Unfortunately, my DS3 just werked (which cannot be said about the console that came with it)
I say unfortunately because it's so fucking shit it made my below average size white european hands hurt from how small it is so I demolished it. Well I didn't have a working PS3 at that point so whatever, now I use a wired 360 controller, much fucking better. What a fucking bitch of a system, absolutely hateful fat niggerbox, I mean I loved it, for the entire 3 weeks of light use I got out of it that is. I bought an Xbox 360 to distract myself from the fact that I broke it and the only way to fix it is by one fucking Romanian.

Open /sys/ in the file manager.

>>108651777
can it display the images?

>>108629885
bluez gui, disable and enable bluetooth, or just do it with your DE specific tools
ezpz

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Whatever comes with your desktop environment.
>Bluetooth
Again whatever comes with your desktop environment but if you don't know blueman is the standard

>>108653144
Did you post this through a terminal? And as if Linux's abstraction isn't leaner than Windows's.
>>108653850
>Whatever comes with your desktop environment
Those tools disable the driver, which doesn't actually solve the electrical issue because you need to actually power cycle the device.

>>108653074
>This way you will have way more control
No I won't, because the time it takes researching that shit is time I could have spent already having control over all my devices with a Device Manager-esque tool.
>automate it
For a specific device, sure, but what if I one day want to touch another device? Then I have to do more research and debug a new script. How is that better than just clicking on the fucking device and pressing "Disable"?

>>108654310
>No I won't, because the time it takes researching that shit is time I could have spent already having control over all my devices with a Device Manager-esque tool.
Whenever you spent time already having something (whatever that statement even means) or not, does not change the fact that controlling devices from terminal gives you more control and opportunities for automatization than using GUI.

>Then I have to do more research and debug a new script.
You don't debug new scripts, you debug existing scripts. You can write new scripts and you can write them in a way that could support many different devices. You might even use dmenu or circular menu or something similar to make a quick access menu for these operations.

>How is that better than just clicking on the fucking device and pressing "Disable"?
I have already explained that to you.

>>108654345
>controlling devices from terminal gives you more control and opportunities for automatization than using GUI
You say this like it's impossible for the GUI to have buttons that, upon being clicked, perform the same tasks as the CLI.

>>108654478
>You say this like it's impossible for the GUI to have buttons that, upon being clicked, perform the same tasks as the CLI.
I never said so.

>>108654547
So how does typing a command into a terminal give me more control than pressing a button that does the same thing?

>>108654590
Virtually anything you can type into the terminal can be scripted, trivially. The command you typed goes into your command history in case you need it later. It can easily be called by another program. So you can for example automatically shut off the device while running a particular program, then automatically enable it when you're done. No serious programming or anything here, just simple scripts.

With a gooey button, you are constrained into doing only and exactly what the gooey designer intends for you to be able to do. You must follow the exact same process every time to navigate through the gooey to click the button. And if the gooey implementer fucked up as they often do, you may be screwed with no feedback or error message or any clue as to what's wrong.

>>108653060
You see only what you want to see, not what is really there.
The Linux users all know windows, many having started with DOS ages ago. They have used guis and windows and maybe even macs. They are masters of both domains and can choose whichever suits them. Meanwhile the winbabies literally cannot even at the very idea of typing in a command at a cli prompt.

>>108654720
What's stopping buttons from opening a dropdown menu providing automation options?

>>108654755
>The Linux users all know windows, many having started with DOS ages ago
99% of you faggots started with windows xp at the earliest, and all you ever do on your troonbuntu machine is copy pasting commands somebody else gave you

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>>108654755
>Meanwhile the winbabies literally cannot even at the very idea of typing in a command at a cli prompt
Oh fuck off you prick, what is pic related? I've had to use the terminal MORE on Windows than I ever have on Linux.

>>108654590
>how does typing a command into a terminal give me more control than pressing a button that does the same thing?
99% of time the GUI just executes the command. By the nature of GUI programs, they often can't include every supported flag and option that the underlying command supports. Even if they try to do so(which turns GUI into pic related) it often lags behind the updates to the cli tool and might not support newest features. You also can't bind GUI buttons to key combinations nor write your own scripts to invoke them in a reliable way.

>>108654310
Disabling the device can be done with literally 1 command. Easier than navigating through the fucking labyrinth that is control-panel. The scripts are so that instead of having to type a command or click a thing, it disables the driver automatically. If you can't understand this basic concept, you probably shouldn't ever use computers cause you are retarded.

>>108654800
Lack of standardization of means of such automatization. In order to accomplish the best intercompatibility that dropdown would have to just open command prompt because shells, commands and pipes is the standard way of making programs work together in Unix like systems.

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>>108655853
>pic related
No pic

>>108634074
>refuses to use the command line
Nobody should be forced to use the command line for any reason in this century. It's not the 80's anymore.

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>>108655895
We should just get rid of keyboards and only use touchscreens and AI voice agents.

>>108655890
That's still better than a CLI. Many games have UIs like that.

>>108656168
Rakim was right, now he has an iPhone and can easily share 4K videos of his basketball game to the entire world.

The CLI should be used by programmers and those wishing for a means to automate (although Apple has shown with their old “Automator” and “Shortcuts” that a GUI can help here too). Once you as a software designer require the end user to reach for the command line, you’ve failed.
>but muh ffmpeg
That’s an expert tool, and it has thousands of options, these days I use AI to lookup obscure ones for me. Obviously from a user interface standpoint, handbrake or commercial alternatives are better.

Obviously Windows/Mac has excellent command line tools, but due to better design, you seldom need them.

linsux probably doesn't support whatever device you'd want to manage anyway

>>108636356
EXCUSE ME? They're the wxmynpages now, bigot.

>>108631226
>Writing assembly for a specific task is not.
sounds like a skills issue. there is no reason to not simply write yourself an assembler and program the computer directly through the console in assembly language. you don't understand tech at all, you're just parrot reciting known incantations in a scripting language.

either manually define set the registers yourself or go back to your anime tinker tranny.

>>108630319
tree /sys/bus

>>108653120
>use wireless dongle for xbox controller on windows
>just werks

>use wireless dongle for xbox controller on linux
>have to hunt down random community made driver
>have to clone from github and compile/install the driver manually
>installing this driver disables the driver for 360 controllers so i have to install yet another random driver to get this functionality back
>pairing doesn't even work correctly half the time

not to mention i've had many times where plugging in an xbox controller manually inexplicably didn't work and required fucking around with xpad and other nonsense. one time i had a friend buy an xbox controller that wasn't supported in the kernel yet (i think it was a third party controller he bought accidentally, can't remember) so i had to help him patch his kernel himself.

>>108655853
>By the nature of GUI programs, they often can't include every supported flag and option that the underlying command supports.
The overwhelming majority of flags and options in CLI programs tend to be obscenely specific, niche options that a tiny fraction of the users of that tool will ever need or use. If anything, a GUI can cut down on the cruft immensely and focus on the subset of options/workflows that are actually common, and present these options to the user immediately (or make them very easy to discover) so they have an idea of what the program can do, in contrast to a CLI program where you spend an hour scrolling past meaningless nonsense in a 5000 line man page.

>>108655890
That GUI might be ugly, but it looks like it's still more convenient and easy to use than a CLI tool. Moreover, there are about a million bulk rename tools out there that look prettier.

>>108656952
>>use wireless dongle for xbox controller on windows
Both are made by the same company. Also

yay -S xpadneo-dkms

>>108657022
>The overwhelming majority of flags and options in CLI programs tend to be obscenely specific, niche options that a tiny fraction of the users of that tool will ever need or use. If anything, a GUI can cut down on the cruft immensely and focus on the subset of options/workflows that are actually common, and present these options to the user immediately (or make them very easy to discover) so they have an idea of what the program can do, in contrast to a CLI program where you spend an hour scrolling past meaningless nonsense in a 5000 line man page.
Does not conflict with what I've said.

>That GUI might be ugly, but it looks like it's still more convenient and easy to use than a CLI tool.
Under which metric? Baby duck?

>>108657022
you genuinely might be an autistic retard if you really think thats how it works. No. A command line tool will always take less resources (e.g. memory) than a graphical application even if the command has a million flags.
This is because graphical apps use much heavier toolkits e.g. GTK or QT to render, taking up much more resources than a command.
Not to mention the retarded shit Windows does like Webview and React, that are even less resource efficient.

>>108657569
sorry wrong anon i meant to reply to a guy further up (I'm a filthy newfag.)

>>108657305
>Under which metric? Baby duck?
The metric of not having to research POSIX as you can merely scan your eyes at the buttons and click on the ones that apply to your needs. Nothing baby duck about that.

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>>108656952
Now I'm reminded. Back in the day I had a dongle for Xbox 360 controllers, but it was a third-party dongle and so Windows couldn't recognise it. To make it load the driver, I had to go into Device Manager each time I plugged it in/turned on my computer, select the unrecognised device and manually assign a 360 wireless receiver driver to it. I wonder if these receivers work out of the box on Linux, or if there's any way to manually assign drivers to devices.

https://www.man7.org/linux/man-pages/man1/usbreset.1.html

>>108632290
did you sign every one of them with your msdev signing key?

>>108657625
It's not baby duck it's pathetically cucked. It means you can only ever do exactly what the gui constrains you to be able to do and nothing else. You are owned by the UI developer.
>>108656261
>Once you as a software designer require the end user to reach for the command line, you’ve failed.
This is why all your software sucks. Your standards are abysmal.
>Obviously Windows/Mac has excellent command line tools, but due to better design, you seldom need them.
This is simply not true.
I used windows 7 until 2023. But I had to install cygwin just to feel like I wasn't constantly handcuffed by retarded UI designs.
>ffmpeg
and imagick
and wget/curl
and grep
all archive/unarchive/compression tools are more effective from the command line, even zip.
>>108654800
>What's stopping buttons from opening a dropdown menu providing automation options?
That's just another step you have to tediously click through to get the result you want, and is constrained by what the UI decides to give you. It's also a place for more bugs. Many times I've had to deal with some retarded UI with a dropdown that wasn't giving me an option that I needed, but worked just fine through the CLI. The era of webshit UIs has made this sort of thing even more prevalent than before

>>108657931
>gui constrains you to
If the GUI exposes the same options as the terminal, how is this even true? And I could just as easily say you can only ever do exactly what the CLI constrains you to be able to do and nothing else; you are owned by the CLI developer if you are not programming your own functions in x86 assembly.
>That's just another step you have to tediously click through to get the result you want
And typing isn't more tedious?

>>108657022
>The overwhelming majority of flags and options in CLI programs tend to be obscenely specific, niche options that a tiny fraction of the users of that tool will ever need or use.
You're a retard who doesn't understand the nature of the long tail.
Maybe only 5% of users use a niche feature. But then a different 5% use a different niche feature. 10 features altogether and you're looking at 25%-50% of users who care about at least ONE of the niche features.
Funny how the GUI-addicted faggots don't even understand basic UI design concepts.

>>108657763
https://man.archlinux.org/man/extra/bluez-utils/bluetoothctl.1.en#power

>>108657992
>If the GUI exposes the same options as the terminal, how is this even true?
(a) it never does
(b) you still have to waste your life clicking through options and menus to reach the thing you want, instead of just typing a few letters.

>>108657993
>GUI-addicted faggots
I take it you don't use a desktop environment?
>>108658003
>it never does
What am I missing out on by deleting a folder with a file explorer instead of using rm -rf /path/to/folder?
>a few letters
Utterly disingenuous.