>>108640872
The background reminds me of winter, which I don't want to be reminded of because it just warmed up here.

spent like 6 hours trying to get wayland to work, something decided to disable my TV connected by HDMI no matter what I changed with wlr-randr or nwg-display whatever it would not come back after reboot disconnect reconnect anything. But every time I switched over to X, it worked fine (and then resumed being fucked when I switched back to wayland). Guess I'll just go back to based bspwm and forget my tv can do "hdr" (it's an old samsung I doubt it was very good hdr).

>>108641882
I try out Wayland on at least one live ISO every year, and never got the point of switching. I can already see all the things I need to see, in all of the ways I like seeing them. X works flawlessly on every machine I got, and has been doing so since at least 2012.

>>108641882
>>108641915
personally, I've never installed a specific display server. usually whatever desktop environment or window manager just pulls that in for me, and I've never even thought twice about what was running behind that. never had any problems with multiple monitors, other than Windows has a nice feature that remembers what sound output was last used with a specific setup when you disable a monitor.

>>108641927
>remembers what sound output was last used with a specific setup when you disable a monitor
On the Mint forums, of all places: https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=320218

>>108642068
that's exactly the kind of customization shit that inevitably ends up failing. it's not that important to me.

Any just not rice up their distro? Do you just keep it at the default? That's what I do. I'm sure I can make it look nice but I hardly care.

>>108642229
KDE looks nice enough by default I don't really mind. At most I enable a dark mode theme.

>>108642138
sir plz be froembly

What is the best office suite with compatibility for MS Office? I see too many options in LibreOffice, OnlyOffice, WPS Office, Collabora and this makes me confused. Preferably something that I don't need to make an entire cloud infrastructure to make it work(like Nextcloud)

>>108642437
OnlyOffice

https://helpcenter.onlyoffice.com/desktop/installation/desktop-install-appimage.aspx
https://pkgs.org/search/?q=onlyoffice
https://flathub.org/en

>>108642437
>best office suite with compatibility for MS Office?
Microsoft Office is a web app these days. Just use that in your browser if you need the compatibility.

i hate linux

>>108642496
Where did it touch you this time?

>>108642491
the web app lacks many features of the desktop office versions, the most common one being macros

>>108642501
on my penis, sir.

>>108642502
Makes sense. I guess they can't execute arbitrary code in the browser. Well they could with some WASM thing but their pajeet developers probably don't want to make the web app any better.

>>108642507
my beard is soft

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MAGEIA VS OPENMANDRIVA?

I'm gonna switch since for some reason these are the only two distros which maintain projectM plugins for VLC. What's the general difference between these two and what are you going to miss out on by using these distros?

>>108642612
Mageia = Mint-like
OpenMandriva = openSUSE Tumbleweed-like

>>108642643
>openSUSE Tumbleweed
OpenMandriva ROME is rolling, but OpenMandriva ROCK is stable.

>>108642683
It would be like using openSUSE Leap, which not many people at all do these days.

>>108642229
Me with KDE. I do very minimal changes to it.

>>108642612
Mageia has better repos, otherwise they're both really comfy. Pick your poison.

https://www.mageia.org/en/downloads/get/?q=Mageia-9-Live-Xfce-x86_64.iso

https://sourceforge.net/projects/openmandriva/files/release/6.0/openmandriva-6.0-lxqt.x86_64.iso/download

>>108642437
WPS > OnlyOffice > LibreOffice

>>108642229
I only kinda mess with the KDE taskbar, wallpaper and color scheme so it doesn't sear my eyes as much. I used to do the while openbox/tiling WM thing too but that's a god damn waste of time. I don't even rice Emacs.

I just moved to linux recently (Nobara specifically) and I'm looking for linux alternatives to VoiceMeeter and itunes

For voicemeeter, the only feature I need is noise suppression/noise gating so my buddies don't have to listen to me breathing. Audio routing for micspam is a plus.

For itunes, I need something that can upload pirated music to an iphone (insert your apple product jokes here. I'd rather have an android device, but my current phone hasn't broken yet so I can't justify buying a new phone).

>>108642906
I just plug my phone into my computer and drag and drop files. Can't you do that on iOS?

>>108642915
That only works for things saved in the camera roll or the files app last I checked.

>>108642906
Linux and iOS just do not get along well at all since most Linux users don't buy Apple products. Lower your expectations and do not expect this to ever change. KDE Connect could be useful but its iOS support is quite bad compared to other platforms.
Easyeffects should work fine for your other issue, though. The state of audio on Linux has improved massively over the years.

>>108642941
Thanks for the suggestions. I wasn't expecting much luck for iOS support, but I'll give it a go. Worst case, I do have an old, barely functional windows laptop lying around somewhere.

>>108642906
>VoiceMeeter
EasyEffects
>I need something that can upload pirated music to an iphone
Use a USB cable. Or KDE Connect, but it's very experimental on iOS.

>>108642920
It should be possible to use the File Manager to "save" files into other apps.

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Holy shitballs I hate Microsoft so much.
>want to make a remote desktop for Wayland
>everyone screams "GIB RDP!!!!" because there are eighty squillion devices that support it
>ok fine
>how bad could it be?
Imagine if the X11 protocol designers from the 1980s tried writing a video streaming protocol extension in Win32 C while taking copious amounts of drugs and you will begin to imagine the horror.

>>108643406
fuck, that meme is pure soul

>>108643406
>I fucking hate nixOS
why?

>>108643406
You're trying to write your own remote desktop program?

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>>108642906
>I need something that can upload pirated music to an iphone (insert your apple product jokes here.

>>108642906
You could run a Windows VM just for iTunes. Of course that takes up some space to do that.

I found an old Dell tablet with an intel atom inside of it, running Windows 8.
What desktop environment is the most tablet friendly while not gobbling up all the RAM and without having the CPU be at 100% all the time?

Getting real fucking tired of Gentoo's bullshit, but I have no idea what distro to switch to
I've had good experiences with the BSDs in the past so I want to try FreeBSD but I'm in no position to remake my partition table right now

>Fedora atomic
>flatpak for everything with a gui
>distrobox for everything with a cli
everything just... works, God is good.

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>>108643682
Gnome actually sounds the best for a touchscreen but it uses more RAM than the others. KDE does have an option for them but I've never used it. It's considered heavy too but not as much as gnome.

>>108644351
>Gnome actually sounds the best for a touchscreen
On paper GNOME looks like iPad OS, but the actual touch screen integration is mediocre. I'll give GNOME credit for having a better touch keyboard than Plasma, but if your tablet has a physical keyboard then I would 100% use Plasma on it.

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Does anyone know if it is possible to install the Deluge 1.3.15 Thin Client (Windows name: deluge-1.3.15-win32-py2.7.exe)?
I'm not sure if the Thin Client is separate or if this is just the 1.3 client. I'm on Nobara and I can't find it in their repo or on flathub.
I've got two months of experience using Linux so forgive me if the solution is super obvious. I haven't been able to figure it out myself or found a solution by searching.

>>108644438
https://deluge-torrent.org/userguide/thinclient/

Recently moved to Void. So far, it's been great. Everything i need works. Really not change in my workflow at all, just no more systemd which is perfect.
But Linux is in trouble. This slow creep of standardization... Systemd Wayland gnome.. means that ultimately there will be one distro. If you think the standardization will stop with just those three now and won't eventually include everything from package managers to terminals, you're a fool.

>>108644624
Anon just be happy with your Void install. You're happy now, right?
Or if you still feel like dooming, are you not?

>>108644438
That's a very ancient version of Deluge. You won't find it in your repositories since a repo only holds 1 version. And since Linux userspace has almost no backwards compatibility it's possible you won't be able to run the 1.3.15 even if you find it. You'd have to install Distrobox and use Ubuntu 16 or Ubuntu 18 to run it the client.

>>108644438
>>108644587
not familiar with this being called thin client, this is pretty common for many kinds of servers in linux, especially torrent clients are pretty much all like this (server component with separate gtk/qt/wev/cli/etc frontends)
if you want just the server component, install deluge-daemon. if you want the web frontend as well, install deluge-web.
i don't know what that specific windows executable ships with

>>108644643
It's supporting alternatives to push back against the standardization of Linux. The last thing we need is for Linux to become fully standardized with maintainers having full control over everything with no accountability or oversight (systemd and age verification for just one example).
Fighting AV is pointless since you and I don't have enough to off the politicians behind that Zuckerberg has. But we can fight back again shit like Wayland and systemd completely taking over (they're just the start, eventually there will be a distro wide standard for everything from the terminal to the package manager).

I have a question about gentoo profiles. The handbook says there are handy profiles for gentoo/plasma that should do lots of heavy lifting for me when configuring the system. I thought it was just configuration of flags but when I did a merge @world it started pulling all kinds of plasma packages too. I was hoping for a debloated installation so I picked all the dependencies I wanted from the meta package.

Do you think I should just the profile do its own thing or is picking something like a desktop profile, slapping the plaama USE flags on it and then installing the packages I want something worth the trouble?

>>108644702
•enough money to pay off

>>108644646
Thank you, that's very helpful.

Coming from Windows I just took backwards compatibility for granted. I had no idea it wasn't much of a thing on Linux. That's good to know going forwards.

Thanks for outlining a possible solution, although it makes me think that the better approach is probably to either update my client/server to the most recent version or even just switch to another Torrent client. I had been putting it off and using the older version because I have never migrated between Torrent clients before and I dreaded making a mistake.

>>108644772
not him but this is something which is brought up often by windows users, the fact it's not as easy to install or keep old versions of programs.
as a windows user this surely seems like a disadvantage, but as someone who has used linux a long time, i can say the reasons you might want to use an old version of a program just doesn't really exist in linux in the first place.
it's not unheard of for some useful tool in windows to turn sour in some way, maybe being sold off to an ad company, becoming gimped in order to sell a premium version, just changing in a big way you don't like, etc. in linux, many of these don't apply, and in most of the remaining ones there is the possibility of forks. big changes in popular programs in linux often result in a fork.
in my 20 years of using linux i can't think of a single program version/lineage i'd like to be using but can't. also note that even in the unlikely case that you DO have a particular program which got worse to you in some way and doesn't have a maintained version/fork, running old versions of software in linux IS in fact possible, it just may require more effort than "double clicking a setup.exe" like it usually is in windows.

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>>108644704
>I thought it was just configuration of flags
Some USE flags pull packages on their own.
>>108644657
idk about Deluge but Transmission and aMule for example both have a "remote" which is a GUI that connects to a (remote) daemon. Not the same thing as the actual aMule or Transmission servent which is a GUI and works as a standalone.
So for example if you got a remote server serving Transmission web interface you can use it via web browser or with the "remote GUI".

>>108644919
>idk about Deluge but Transmission and aMule for example both have a "remote" which is a GUI that connects to a (remote) daemon. Not the same thing as the actual aMule or Transmission servent which is a GUI and works as a standalone.
>So for example if you got a remote server serving Transmission web interface you can use it via web browser or with the "remote GUI".
that's what i'm talking about.
i mean sure this is what thin clients are used for, viewing content running on a server, so it makes sense

if anon is after just the gui client to connect to a remote server, deluge-gtk should do the trick. i haven't used deluge in many years but i doubt this part has changed as it's a common feature for torrent programs

>>108644704
If it works it's fine. I have KDE Plasma installed on:

$ eselect profile show
Current /etc/portage/make.profile symlink:
  default/linux/amd64/23.0/no-multilib

As you can see, that's not the KDE profile. As long as you have all the packages you want then leave it be. You don't have to use the KDE profile.

>>108644972
Understood. I thought there was something esoteric done by profiles that couldn't replicate on something like a simple desktop profile. Right now I am trying to install gentoo in a VM to get accustomed to the installation process and even though I set binary-only there are some USE flags that clearly conflicted with the already available binaries so I ended up compiling stuff anyway. It wouldn't be a problem if only I didn't set 1 core in the VM settings

>>108644911
For sure. It only seemed disadvantageous to me in the sense that I was not instantly able to replicate something I would do on Windows. It doesn't mean that being able to do so on Linux would have been a good idea and that is what I realized from the replies here.

I appreciate the explanation though. I will definitely keep it in mind. This is probably just one of many times I will realize that an assumption born from using Windows is not helpful or productive in Linux.

As a side-note, my overall experience with Linux has been very good. I'm glad to finally have made the switch.

>>108644972
I am wondering, does the use of no-multilib gets in the way when using something like wine? Or is their WOW64 going to take care of 32bit emulation?

The first time I unminimize a window from the taskbar after some time it's a bit choppy but afterwards it's smooth. What gives?

>>108645084
i was going to add a bit on assumptions but the post was long enough.

yes, assumptions are probably the biggest hurdle switching to something that does things very differently, it's what makes it sometimes ironically more difficult for a more experienced windows user to switch to linux compared to a novice. when you run into an issue you have to remind yourself to consider looking it up rather than assuming you know what you're doing. i know this very well, i had microsoft certs before moving to linux, so i would say i was very familiar with it.

>>108645125
the application may have been (partially) swapped out (even if you have plenty of ram, depending on system configuration, the system may have prioritised more caches over keeping your idle program fully in ram)

>>108645093
I game in an Archlinux chroot (actually it's CachyOS, since I manually updated the repos to it) which has multi-lib libraries. I just don't want them on my host system. With Steam working on 64-bit support though I may be able to get rid of that eventually.

>>108645227
>I game in an Archlinux chroot (actually it's CachyOS, since I manually updated the repos to it)
that sounds hacky. is it simple to set up?

>>108645285
If you know what you're doing it's not that hacky. It's no worse than running Steam in a Snap or Flatpak only you have the full power of Arch/CachyOS this way so can install whatever you want from the AUR, etc.

I actually find this better than polluting my host system with crap I don't necessarily want to compile all of the time.

>>108645306
I was wondering if there were conflicts between who uses what from an hardware perspective

>Fedora 44 delayed again
Is this a good or bad thing if it means actual bugs are being stomped?

>>108645493
Fedora is famous for not going ahead with their releases until they are perfect like that. If it's still not good enough then they will keep delaying until the blockers are solved.

>>108645493
>beta testing for red hat
No thanks. I will stick with Debian and Ubuntu.

>>108645493
>https://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/milestone/44/final/buglist
installed and worked fine on my spare laptop already, but they won't release until everything's absolutely fixed ig

Kinda off topic, but I have a course on databases in my uni and I need to create my own database. Is it enough to just install mysql on my linux desktop? Do I need xampp or whatever else?

I have a separate laptop that I use for school that uses windows (because of word, etc etc, sigh), but I'd prefer to get it done on my desktop.

>>108645818
You just need MySQL and a GUI frontend like DBeaver.

>>108644643
This was a nice reply, have a blessed day anon.

>>108645866
Okay that simplifies it a bit. I feel like this stuff is quite convoluted in a sense. Installing a bazillion things etc. Thanks.

>>108645493
It's normal. I would give new releases at least 6 weeks to shake out unless you want to file bug reports.

>>108645818
>xampp
Apache, MariaDB, PHP and Perl

Read or watch a tutorial on databases, mysql etc, it will be more understandable to whatever you intend to do.

>>108645939
well, that's a list of software i'm happy to not use anymore.

>>108645939
Thanks, will take a proper look. Just want something simple.

>>108645818
You can just install DBeaver CE and start making SQLite databases in it.

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>>108644624
>Void

>>108646423
more like Soid

>>108646423
anti-chud gatekeeping

>>108645939
never heard of xampp, but i have heard of "wamp" and "lamp" which i figured was related (windows/apache/mysql/php, linux/apache/mysql/php)
what does the "x" stand for?

>>108646423
Haha he is probably the paper definition of toxic and hateful.

It's a shame that the neo "leftist" regard onions, masculinity, man and morality as alt right terminology.

>>108646423
it shouldn't be funny when people act like how they're accused of acting as it should be expected they act like how they're accused of acting, however, i still find it funny when a has-layers boy responds to the accusation of being a has-layers boy with exactly as you'd expect by a has-layers boy.
the sheer lack of self-awareness.

>>108646475
and that's a good thing!

>>108645559
just stick to the last version and it's stable

I'm getting something from a crap site that often garbles the last few bytes of a file, so I'd like to have a software that "goes back" some bytes before reconnecting. I can discard the tail upon reconnection manually, but is there something automatic?

>>108648312
>>108645559
Debian cultists are so inured to stale packages and labor shortages that they can't imagine multiple OS with completely different purposes under the same banner. One must be a beta for the other because that's how it always works in the Debian mediocrity sphere.

>>108642906
iTunes does not work with Wine (I tried). iOS is so cucked for music players. The only options you get for music players are Apple Music (can only upload local files with iTunes on PC/Mac), and whatever ad-riddled music apps are on the App Store. The only non-cucked music player is foobar2000 (iOS edition) but even then that's lacking features (like a queue for songs). Your best bet is to use foobar2000 or as >>108643666
Satan(ia) over here says, use a Windows VM, or sell your current phone for an Android you iToddler. Don't try to use VLC on iOS either, it can't properly detect gaps between songs in albums.

What's the best Linux distro for a homosexual (bottom) who's not afraid of technology?

>>108648704
Anti-X or Bazzite depending on how poor you are. They're both extremely gay

>>108648704
NixOS

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am i just being idealistic or it feels genuinely better to only use open source software everyday? it feels like i have a healthier relationship with my machine everytime i boot and interact with all the open source programs.

Arch, Fedora, or something else? I want a distro that just werks (I'm not afraid of tinkering, I simply don't want an update to fuck me in the ass)

>>108649048
Fedora, I am biased and I don't care. Alternatively, Debian stable. About DEs: Either XFCE or LXQt, those work well with Debian, with Fedora you can try whatever DE really.

>>108648975
unless you are going balls deep and you are actually exploiting the freedoms that FLOSS gives you, it's a placebo, it's in your mind. But it's ok anon, so long as we remain honest and realistic there is no issue with indulging on the very real (yet mayhaps misplaced) enjoyment of the placebo.

>>108648704
As a former Arch (now Fedora) user I can confirm that Arch Linux is about the gayest distro there is now. You can go with something more obscure if you are autistic though.

>>108646423
Is that some sort of mod, admin or maintainer? Real question by the way, I was actually interested in Void, from a technical perspective it looks quite charming ngl.

Does anyone write scripts in a shell language other than sh or Bash -- and find it worthwhile? I find that I write them just often enough that I'm prone to forget one of the many, many edge cases and pitfalls, and Shellcheck can't always be there to save me.

I was worried that zsh would be similar enough to Bash that it would make the problem worse, because I'd now also have to remember which behaviors were in one but not the other. I've heard most of the other languages are missing various major features, such as background/job control, and Python is somewhat tedious to use for situations where I mostly just want fairly straightforward wrappers/glue around existing binaries.

>>108649163
usually if the script gets too large in sh/bash i start to feel guilty about not using something more appropriate like python. i used csh/tcsh for a while and scripted in that. it was ok.

>>108649083
>t. havin' an unhealthy experience due to using prop slop everyday

>>108649227
At least sh/bash is stable, you won't need to suffer shiny new Python fuck.you

>>108649227
Yes, I also "promote" a script away from Bash if it becomes enough of a program on its own. Although this is also part of my motivation to ask, since a shell language with better expressiveness and scalability would also allow me to push that complexity threshold further back. The ideal for me would be to have a capable/consistent shell language that covers all my scripting needs, and then using a statically typed language for anything that's more of a stand-alone program.
>>108649332
I don't think I've ever had to make a compatibility change in a personal Python script, but it's a valid concern re: portability.

>>108649227
>>108649366
If you have to handle normie file names avoid (ba)sh as the plague, grep is nice but you will suffer the hell of all those characters that are special and make it break hard.

>>108649163
Because it is the devil I know I'm considering BASIC for heavy string manipulation. I might use Pascal because I still somewhat remember it, but BASIC is deeply engraved into my mind.
t. late forties

My home xubuntu install that I've been do-release-upgrading since 16.04 has finally bricked itself beyond repair on the 22.04 to 24.04 upgrade

with a heavy heart I'm just doing a format and fresh 24.04 install

>>108649366
I heard back in the days that portability was a myth because every platform has specific abilities that you need to support (say drag and drop, etc.) so this makes your software very unportable.

>>108649421
It used to mean something back in the days of commercial unixes where your software may actually have to run on multiple different platforms.

These days, forget it. You're using a specific Linux distribution so target that.

>>108649048
Out of those options, Fedora. If what you really care about if non-fucked updates ever, then check out Universal Blue distros. They might have limitations but at least you don't have to think about updates, ever. If you're willing to put up with using only Flatpaks, Appimages and Distrobox (which is awfully documented) then an immutable distro seems like your best bet.

>>108649471
>>108649048
Immutable distros solve a problem that hasn't existed in years. Updates don't break your computer anymore unless you're on Arch/an Arch-based distro. The only people recommending immutable distros to newcomers are boomers with PTSD for 2004 Linux and have no idea how good the QA is nowadays.

>>108649471
I guess it can't be worse, shared libraries are no more and we got peak bloat, just add more memory of all kinds.

>>108649495
>shared libraries are no more
?

>>108649484
i use arch and gentoo and neither break. it's a skill issue and some people probably just need immutable.

>>108649501
They are only shared because every 'pak carries all of them.

>>108646423
This is annoying because void is actually great.

>>108649048
After a year of using Arch, I'm convinced the people who talk about updates breaking their system have riced the hell out of it or just update willy nilly. Despite it meant to be bleeding egde, I'm still a little conservative when I want to update. I also don't have 20 million different software trying to work with each other installed. I still had it installed on btrfs and configured snapshots using snapper just in case. But I haven't had to bother.
With all that said, Fedora would still be the easier one to deal with. Or Debian. I've used Debian and other derivatives of it the most and they've always worked well. There's also openSUSE, but I've never touched that before.

>>108649544
>just update willy nilly
There is no such thing as updating "willy nilly". If your computer tells you that the latest improvements are here, you should be able to trust that they will actually improve your computer.

>>108649583
you could update willy nilly if, for example, you're on gentoo and your kernel configuration is for a specific version, and the latest is made available, your kernel config wouldn't necessarily be appropriate.
again, if you know what you're doing then you can mess with these system files. for those that don't, or shouldn't, they can use immutable.

>>108649526
I haven't seen any hint of pride this or pride that in the distro. Quite frankly I don't care "who" is developing for it or maintaining it, as long as they do a good job and don't cave to forcing the use of systemd.

Being a WIndows refugee, I don't trust any update not to break my PC in some way these days.

>>108649630
Timeshift save before updating, then apply update and revert if broken but its rarely for updates to break a linux distro these days, but its very common for some distros for something to break and they are generally very fixable with a google search or a forum question.

>>108649630
Don't use Time shift. Just learn how to use rsync. It's all you need

>>108649583
>>108649592
I don't know about that. Maybe I just feel that way with growing up with Windows. Even with 7 I had something break once or twice, so I stopped updating right away, and then I just blocked them all together when they tried to sneak that W10 update. So even when I started using Debian and Xubuntu, I would hold off on updates if nothing was broken. Besides
>If your computer tells you
The computer is dumb. I won't let it tell me anything. I tell it what to do and when to do it.

>>108649639
>>108649672
I installed Nobara and pretty sure it has Timeshift installed and configured by default.

>>108649598
>your kernel configuration is for a specific version
>your kernel config wouldn't necessarily be appropriate
I've had custom kernels since forever and don't understand what that means.
Are you talking about something like booting Fedora without ZRAM support? Done that, the only thing happened was the ZRAM service failed to start.

can't get non standard fonts to show up inside the terminal, kanji are just question marks, installed some fonts locally and through the package manager, neither worked.
Wondering if it might be a monospacing issue but kinda doubt it.

>>108649686
in gentoo you provide a kernel config file.

>>108649721
Or you use their binary distribution kernel that they have now. That can be a huge time saver for initial installs or cloud installs / VMs, etc.

I need a stopwatch for the notification area, is there any? Xfce and Debian trixie if that's relevant.

if I install a new debian machine without desktop environment and install firefox, if I open firefox will it show the GUI interface or does it require a desktop environment to show me any picture? what is the lightest linux desktop environment I can install?

>>108649736
yes, you could update willy nilly if you don't configure anything yourself. good deduction there anon.

>>108649501
Same but I assume that's because I don't have much software installed to begin with. There's not much to get broken on minimal systems.
>>108649721
??
With any Linux system with a custom kernel you "provide a kernel configuration", that's ".config" in the build directory. Have no idea what's the Gentoo way of doing that, when updooting my Gentoo there's always those
>"couldn't find kernel sources"
-messages. But stuff worked regardless.

>>108649744
Cage (Wayland kiosk compositor) or something like Openbox if you must go X11.

>>108649048
>get Silverblue/Kinoite (optionally get the last version, not the latest from the torrents. they tend to hide those but they're still supported)
>optionally rebase to ublue-main as that comes with a bunch of tweaks you're probably going to make anyway. if you do this make sure to rebase to :gts and not :latest which will keep you one version behind
can't get more stable than that. the only tweak you might have to make after that is swapping out firefox with the one from flathub. but yes, modern linux distros just don't break as much unless you're making some retarded clickbait video

>>108649746
Yeah, for some reason people don't think of a Gentoo user like that though. If you use Gentoo then of course you have to be tweaking and tinkering every little thing. The idea that you'd just use your computer and get on with your life doesn't compute.

>>108649544
ive heard updoots cause minor troubles on arch, complaining about things not working after updates, like mpv and so on.
>>108649592
>>108649630
you should ask yourself how competent your distro mainteiners are before any updoot, its dire on certain distros.
>>108649615
>forcing sysd
void isnt a protest meme defined by aversion to systemd, runit is used because its the right tool for their job, so no need to whine or worry about it.

>>108649740
Pretty sure there's a stopwatch plugin that's a stopwatch for xfce.

>>108649760
What's the point of Gentoo if you want something sensible that just works?

>>108649740
i think
xfce4-timer-plugin
has a stopwatch function no?

>>108640872
I always see people talking about compositors and I don't really know what it is. I know its an 'off-buffer window' but I don't really know what that means other than it allows for transparency and apparently shadows? How would you get a Linux GUI to cast a shadow?

>>108649770
Gentoo is probably the most just works distribution. The only time it doesn't work is when upstream breaks something again, but if you're on stable instead of the testing packages then that's usually not even an issue.

Is it fucked up to partition an ntfs drive to install linux in the partition?
Also should /home be its own partition? I know it was recommended a long time ago but I haven't used linux in forever.
Fedora for a hassle free experience without snaps or package manager breakage? I know they got bought by IBM which sounds really really bad.

>>108649765
>stopwatch plugin that's a stopwatch
I don't know why I did that.

>>108649781
XComposite extension if you're talking X11 (and it sounds like you are)

>>108649750
thanks, as for the first question, do you have an answer?

>>108649765
>>108649778
I found something workable:
https://alarm-clock-applet.github.io/
sudo apt install alarm-clock-applet

>>108649786
nta, but I don't think people have enough time or patience to learn Linux so intimately.

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>>108649770
i'm not sure what you mean by this

>>108649807
cage replaces the desktop environment with a single wayland window

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Been trying out tablets on Mint.

Wacom Intuos Medium (2017, regular, not the pro) works natively with the built-in drivers, you don't have to download anything. And on Mint, you can open the Graphics Tablet app and it should recognize the device automatically and you'll be able to configure the buttons, screen tracking mode and other stuff. Bluetooth works too, open the bluetooth manager and pair it, easy. The performance on bluetooth is a little laggy, like it's only able to operate at 30 Hz, so it looks choppy, but it's usable (barely). However, when you switch to wired, it gets smooth and responsive again, so I'd only use bluetooth as a last resort, and just keep it plugged in.

If you're using the Intuos Pro Medium (2025), Mint currently doesn't recognize this tablet with the default driver even if you've updated to the latest kernel. You'll have to build the libwacom driver from source. If you don't, you can only use the stylus like a mouse, and the Graphics Tablet app won't recognize the tablet, so you won't be able to configure any settings. Interestingly, Krita is able to detect pressure sensitivity from the tablet and its surprisingly usable and smooth, despite the desktop experience not supporting it.

But if you're willing to build the driver manually, you can have almost full functionality for the Intuos Pro 2025 (Only the two dials are unsupported, everything else works, including Bluetooth, which is actually fast and usable, unlike the normal Intuos from 2017).
These instructions from the Linux Mint forum worked for me:
https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=466568

There's some terminal commands you gotta do, but it's pretty straight forward. The libwacom github has official instructions. Make sure to create a timeshift restore point and back up your files just in case. You might have to redo this process after the kernel or the driver gets an update. You can also wait until your distro updates its drivers, just might take some time.

>>108649807
I don't know. That depends entirely on how Debian has the dependencies set up. If it just pulls X11 libs then nothing will happen, if it pulls the entire Xorg Server with it then you may be able to `startx firefox` which will get you Firefox under X11 but without a window manager and it'll be a shitty experience.

I have no idea how Debian handles that case. Probably best to install your own compositor or window manager and use that. Then you know that it will work for certain.

>>108649807
I guess you don't know you need a display server. x11 or wayland.

>>108649822
*Repost from /ic/ but figured it made sense to post here too. Had me worried for a bit. Was considering returning the tablet I stumbled onto this fix.

>>108649810
looks alright how it worked for ya? might check it out later.

>>108649751
also should add that i don't know if :gts is gonna be around forever. the ublue guys have ADHD.

>>108649781
compositing is when each program window renders to a gpu buffer, and frames are a gpu-rendered composition of said windows.

without compositing, window content is drawn directly to the framebuffer

>>108649834
Is the wacom fully metal or plastic? I've been thinking about buying a tablet to use a mouse when I wasn't gaming.

>>108649826
>>108649829
thanks, it's meant to be a torrent seedbox, I know can use qbittorrent-nox to manage it remotely but I also want to be able to use thunar or dolphin while using the least amount of system resources possible, so not using a desktop environment, I guess I can do stuff manually with yazi in the cli too

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>>108649836
Quite well, I right-click the title bar so it is always on top, and I can shrink it to the title bar only using the ^ button.

Seriously I want "it just works" and not having to think about it since I'm not interested in tech, but W11 is too annoying. Is there no Linux distro that meets my criteria?

>>108649849
if you install firefox it will probably pull in Xorg at some point

>>108649807
you can't run firefox by itself, but you can use something like cage (which mentioned) or gamescope with firefox which are two examples of minimal wayland compositors designed to display a single program/window

>>108649856
you act as though you have looked for an answer to this question, and yet somehow you have not already arrived at the objectively-correct answer of Mint

>>108649856
i dont even think about my debenia, it just works.
>>108649744
i once installed it without a DE and could bring any GUI. no good.

>>108649884 (ME)
could NOT

>>108649789
>Is it fucked up to partition an ntfs drive to install linux in the partition?
i did exactly this and it seemed fine at first, but bazzite warned me that i can't run games from an ntfs partition, and it turned out to be right
so i used a util from github to convert the drive to btrfs in-place. it worked fine with no data loss, and now i can run games

>>108649856
If your the non-friendly map painter, my answer to you is still Mint

>>108649836
>>108649853
https://www.zedge.net/find/ringtones/ultraman%20timer
I'm happy now.

>>108649900
I wonder if that warning will go away in the future. Someone is working on making the Linux NTFS driver great again.

>>108649789
>Is it fucked up to partition an ntfs drive to install linux in the partition?
Install it onto an NTFS partition? I would caution against that. I'm not sure why you'd need to either, if you're partitioning it you can make it ext4 or whatever other filesystem you might want that is suited for Linux.
If you're talking about downsizing an NTFS filesystem so that you can partition the drive, sure, you can do that. Keep in mind that it's slightly trickier than it might seem, because NTFS puts redundant MFTs (or at least one) partway through the space allocated to it upon creation.
>Also should /home be its own partition?
I've never found a benefit to it.

NixOS with flakes is satanic black magic

>>108649940
no one has ever managed to explain in very simple terms why those are so good and why they're still marked as experimental

>>108649903
good for ya, new to xfce/debian? good luck on the journey if so.

>>108649943
When I try to find out I mostly find people complaining.

Why does suckless software suck compared to software that's suckless that doesn't try to be suck

>>108649856
Ubuntu/Mint depending if you want wayland or x11. Mint is objectively easier for beginners and legendarily stable, maybe even more than Ubuntu.
Ubuntu has a few drawbacks but is the pillar of Linux so everything worth a damn is made to work for Ubuntu LTS. Both are set and forget for years to come.

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>>108640872
best time to dual boot?!

>>108650015
Well that's neat. I always heard how the ntfs3 driver was shitty, and now we seemingly don't have to worry anymore.

>>108650015
lol. quit posting your own twatter posts.

>>108650015
why tho, isnt winblows know to nuke the linux partition during updates?

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>>108649846
>Is the wacom fully metal or plastic?
Depends on the version.
>One by Wacom (Some of these have glass screens, others are screenless tablets, kind of confusing)
Plastic (for the screenless ones)
>Bamboo (Might be discontinued)
Plastic
>Intuos (2017), Small/Medium
Plastic
>Intuos Pro (2025) Small/Medium/Large
Aluminum, but the drawing space and buttons are plastic.

Wacom tablets are super premium/sturdy, don't have to worry about them breaking even after extended use. The regular Intuos from 2017 is really solid, and thicker than the newer Intuos Pro from 2025, that one is so thin, I'm more worried about breaking it despite it being metal. If you're looking for more casual use, the Intuos line and up kind of feel overpriced unless you plan on doing artwork or heavy notetaking with it. The regular Intuos line has basically full functionality on linux. The Pro line that came out in 2025 are iffy, depends on your distro if they have the updated drivers. Whichever one you go with, any of the wacom tablets will basically last forever. I still have my Intuos4 from 2008, full plastic. The digital displays on the buttons sometimes act up, but functionality-wise it's still going strong and also has linux support. And they still sell the pens for this tablet.

Was looking at XP-Pen since they have linux 'support' and are way cheaper but there seems to be a bunch of back and forth on their quality and linux support from what I've read. Wacom has always been pretty good on quality and linux support so I went with them. But they're a bit overpriced nowadays and they kind of slipped up with the Pro Pen 3 (the early batches had flimsy buttons that snapped off easily, but apparently Wacom fixed the issue), and a lot of other tablets are catching up.

gantoo lorax thread

I am having problems with KVM and networking. I set a bridge up and the bridge never connects to my network. I'm using NetworkManager and nmtui to set up this bridge and add the ethernet connection into it, and it still just tells me to fuck myself and does nothing.

What am I missing?
I swear it was much easier with hyperV to do this.

>>108649900
Risky.

>>108649923
My OS drive is dying. I want to install a new OS. I have a healthy NTFS drive. The NTFS drive has data. I don't want to lose the data.
The drive is mostly empty, windows seems to be able to shrink 90% of it. I'll go with that.

>>108650015
jfc, that font rendering should be illegal.

>>108650600
it is

>>108649471
>If you're willing to put up with using only Flatpaks, Appimages and Distrobox
>willing to put up with
Chances are he is. Most Linux users use at least 1 containerization tech. Most Ubuntu users use Snaps. Every single Linux gamer uses WINE and/or Proton, even those only playing Linux game builds usually use Steam which runs games in what's effectively a Flatpak container.
Lets stop pretending that these are in any way "bad" when they clearly solve a self-inflicted problem Linux distributions have caused. The traditional distribution system only ever worked for servers and specialized DIY systems, while your general use desktop was a mess. The people who made Linux jump from 1% market share to 6% market share overwhelmingly don't like all their software being handled by a distribution maintainer over the software dev.

>>108649484
>Updates don't break your computer anymore
Meanwhile, I see people complain about broken updates even when moving from Debian 12 to Debian 13.

>>108649856
Pick one of the Universal Blue distros. They're literally made for people who are not into tech.

>>108648975
Not inherently but a lot of the time open source software feels more like a tool made for a purpose instead of a tool trying to sell you something. It's the most noticeable with mobile apps, but it holds for some desktop software too.

>>108649163
Yes, I use JavaScript because the syntax is infinitely less retarded than UNIX shell script syntax.

>>108650015
Dual booting is a meme. And I've never had issues with NTFS drives. If anything dual-booting is being gate kept by Windows since it doesn't have btrfs, ext4, f2fs or xfs drivers.

>>108651144
True. FOSS stuff actually feels like actual programs made for what they're made for with no catches. Using as much FOSS programs as you can is always best practice within reason.

What is the quintessential "normie" setup? I've been running either Gentoo or a very minimal Debian setup for a few years now, but I'm interested in seeing how the other side lives. It's KDE, right? But like, KDE Fedora or something else?

>>108650015
He didn't even mention the best part, they are making a proper fucking ntfs.fsck tool that can actually do something (unlike ntfsfix).
https://github.com/ntfsprogs-plus/ntfsprogs-plus

>>108651211
Ubuntu LTS is the true "normie" distro because it's what most people think of when they think "Linux."

>>108651223
I guess if you're talking about people like Linus "I asked ChatGPT and it told me to use Pop!_OS" Sebastian, or esteemed journalist who once used Ubuntu in college so it's still a good choice now.

There are way better options these days.

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Just having to rant about this somewhere
>be me
>arch KDE
>since a week when I delete files in my drives it says trash isn't abailable
>ok
>since a couple days files don't get previews
>everywhere but my os drive and external drive
>discover through dolphin settings I can enable file previews in remote drives
>suddently everything fixes.
>realize dolphin is treating my internal drives as remote
>edit mount point from /run/media to /mnt/
>solved

>>108651211
It entirely depends on the type of the normie.
Ubuntu LTS with GNOME, CachyOS with KDE, Bazzite with KDE, Fedora with GNOME or KDE, Mint with Cinnamon, SteamOS will also soon be the normie distro when Valve releases the GabeCube.

>>108651258
He'll release the Gabecube when the AI bubble bursts (hopefully soon.)

>>108651264
Honestly, they might as well cancel it and go for a refreshed v2 with better specs at this point. It's going to be so outdated by the time they do get around to releasing it.

I'm more excited for the Steam Frame, when is that coming out already. I really, genuinely think that will be the time to buy into VR, and with it running a proper ARM Linux OS that thing will be so hackable to do what you want on it.

>>108651275
Yeah, honestly the Steam Frame has me really excited too. When it comes out it'll basically be the most affordable VR headset on the market, can't imagine how many more Beat Saber and VRChat users will appear after it finally comes out.

>>108651283
and coming out with half life: barney as a frame exclusive

>>108651302
Swear the Gabecube was gonna release with Half Life 3. Alas.

>>108651307
no silly they have to go through every characters backstory before that

>>108651264
They're releasing it within 2-3 months no matter what happens to the AI bubble. They already got a massive shipment of controllers and apparently the cubes as well. So they're clearly preparing for release.

>>108651275
>better specs
If they do that it will be even more expensive. What they should do is just release a "Lite" model with either integrated graphics, or only 8GB RAM and only 120GB eMMC storage. Sell it for $550 and people would buy it since the only other budget gaming PC options are $900 unless you go for integrated graphics.

I've ran into a conflicting USE flag problem. Package A wants opengl because I use wayland, but package B wants -opengl for some reason. Is there a clean way to fix this?

# emerge -av flameshot

!!! The ebuild selected to satisfy "dev-qt/qtbase:6[dbus,gui,network,widgets]" has unmet requirements.
- dev-qt/qtbase-6.10.2::gentoo USE="X concurrent dbus gui libinput network nls sql sqlite ssl udev wayland widgets xml (zstd) -accessibility -brotli -cups -custom-cflags -eglfs -evdev -gles2-only -gssapi -gtk -icu -journald -libproxy -mysql -oci8 -odbc -opengl -postgres -renderdoc -sctp -syslog -test -tslib -vulkan" ABI_X86="(64)"

  The following REQUIRED_USE flag constraints are unsatisfied:
    wayland? ( opengl )

After adding dev-qt/qtbase opengl to /etc/portage/package.use/qtbase :

# emerge -av flameshot

The following USE changes are necessary to proceed:
 (see "package.use" in the portage(5) man page for more details)
# required by dev-qt/qttools-6.10.2::gentoo[widgets]
# required by media-gfx/flameshot-13.1.0-r1::gentoo
# required by flameshot (argument)
>=dev-qt/qtbase-6.10.2 -opengl

>>108651366
>If they do that it will be even more expensive
Prices will come down with how long they're stalling. If they must release now then a cut down budget option is the only viable path, yeah. Unless they can find someone to sell them cheap RAM which is not going to happen, Valve is not special, they're not Apple or Samsung, they can't lock-in cheap pricing.

>>108651377
This is a little cryptic but it's actually subtly telling you the issue here. You need to build qttools with opengl.

>>108651387
And probably qtbase too

>>108651387
>>108651389
Also, if it still doesn't let you do that then you probably have to remove flameshot first (

emerge --rage-clean -q flameshot

), update Qt and then re-install it again. It may be enforcing the ABI because it knows that Flameshot will break if you update Qt but isn't quite clever enough to figure out it needs to re-build itself in the process.

>>108650070
I'm more concerned about the material, If I'm gonna drop a lot of money on something I don't want it to be aluminum or plastic.

any anon here on Void? How is your daily-driving experience? I want to check out more non-systemd distros in case shit ever hit the fan and Gentoo seems too autistic for me

I'm trying out cinnamon on arch Linux, how do I make it look like Linux mint? I already installed mint-y icons but it still doesn't look quite right

>>108651387
>>108651389
>>108651401

>>108651377
Although, it doesn't make sense to just build Qt base with OpenGL and nothing else, you probably want something like this in package.use:
[code
# build all Qt packages with OpenGL
dev-qt/* opengl

>>108651411
So you have the Mint-Y icons but you also need the Mint-Y themes. You also need the Ubuntu family fonts.

>>108651433
Yeah I've been using Ubuntu fonts for a while. Are mint-y themes in the AUR? I don't think I found to them when I looked them up, maybe I missed them

>>108650015
Why are these blatant advertisement posts not ever removed?

>>108651446
They're not. Welp.

>>108651379
I mean, it's not like they'll make it too expensive.
The RAM and storage cost for the GabeCube is only up by $140-$160 since the announcement and back then it was much weaker than gaming Mini PCs you could buy for $800-$950. Meaning that in 2025 prices it'd be a $550 machine.
The memory prices have stabilized at the moment. A lot of data center contracts got cancelled, China is manufacturing more memory now and Google released the LLM optimization algorithm. Low end and low capacity storage is still actually cheap.
The products competing against the GabeCube go for $850-$1100, but they're usually packed with more storage and better GPUs, and in most cases better CPUs and in some cases 32GB RAM. You can build a PC as powerful as the GabeCube for around $800, even less if you opt for a DDR4 build.
The most the Cube would be priced at is $700 for the base model and it's just a question of will the controller be included in this price.

>>108651453
Oh wait, actually they do exist. They're not under mint-y-themes they're packaged as just mint-themes.

>>108651412
Thank you, this fixed my issue; enabling opengl for qt base and tools alone was not enough.
Can you explain how I should have parsed the error messages? Qt tools wanted to remove opengl from qt base, so I should have thought that it wanted to do so because it didn't have opengl itself? Is that right?

>>108651465
Good to know that's probably why I missed them. Thanks

>>108651532
So yeah if you just install those three packages and set them up to be used in the theming settings then your Cinnamon should look pretty much exactly like Mint's one.

>>108640872
Where in Linux are you supposed to put your .sh's and code?
>Anywhere you want
I know that but I'm talking about the Linux filesystem, did they ever make a folder to put stuff like that or am I supposed to pull a windows and just throw it in a folder on my desktop or documents folder?

>>108651530
>Qt tools wanted to remove opengl from qt base, so I should have thought that it wanted to do so because it didn't have opengl itself? Is that right?
Yes. The error message can be a bit backwards sometimes but that's the gist of it. Portage is saying you needed to remove OpenGL because the other package also didn't have OpenGL and the two need to both have it in lockstep. That relationship isn't always obvious but in case like this where it clearly doesn't make sense otherwise you can infer that.

>>108649083
>Is that some sort of mod, admin or maintainer?
https://github.com/paper42
Void dev/contributor/maintainer but seems like they stopped being active after 2023
(I recall their listed name used to be michael or something similar)
>>108649615
They used to do BLM tweets.

>>108650015
Microslop will find a way to break linux compatibility with ntfs.

>>108651591
Your local binaries and scripts are supposed to be in /usr/local/bin or some variation of ~/.local/bin ~/.bin ~/bin

>>108651591
Put your personal shell scripts in ~/.local/bin so they're included in the PATH by default.
For your coding files you could just make a ~/src or ~/dev folder or something to store it all in cleanly.

>>108651619
I don't think the default user environment adds ~/.local/bin to PATH by default in any of the files like ~/.bashrc or in /etc/profile ~/.profile

>>108649615
Arch has the same problem, great distro maintained by absolutely ideologically captured people that do weird and crazy tyrannical things against their userbase because... ...Their userbase either agrees with them or are so self-sufficient with running Arch they can just ignore them. Though the recent take down of XLibre off of the Arch wiki is a bridge too far, especially when GNOME Foundation has constantly broken Arch's Code of Conduct and yet still has an Arch wiki page.
If its too much of a shit show and the system is actually good, I agree, ignore them. But you still need to check in with the community now and then to make sure that none of their crazy shit is going to crammed down your throat the next update. Which for some people is annoying enough to switch distros.
>tl;dr: with many things in life you benefit from being a flexible, be a dabbler in everything, master of none. Or at least if you want to master a system, know the waters you swim in well before starting.

Which laptop to buy if you want max linux compatibility? Lenovo/dell i presume? (Obv without nvidia)

>>108651634
Lenovo/Dell/HP are considered the most Linux compatible.

>>108651634
vendor doesnt matter as long its amd or intel its good

>>108651634
Anything with AMD processor/graphics.

>>108651634
Whichever gives you the option to buy the laptop with Linux pre-installed.

>>108651634
Look at 2nd hand government tech surplus shops to get a cheapish ThinkPad to install Linux on.

>>108651625
IIRC after you make the folder if it isn't already made you just need to log out and log back in and it should be added to it.

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Got a pretty lean Cinnamon setup going on here. This is after a fresh boot with nothing much opened, but I do have a couple of applets running on startup so it could be even less.

>>108651692
Cinnamon on Arch plus Mint theming is the best of both worlds.

>>108651680
It seems to be on a distro-by-distro basis, the only place i could find it on debian was in /etc/skel/.profile (which becomes the default ~/.profile for new users) and handles both ~/bin and ~/.local/bin
Didnt find anything related to that on arch though

>arch + cinnamon
anyone else using this combo?

>>108649083
>Arch Linux is about the gayest distro there is now
Why is that? I use arch and don't undesrtand why people say that :/
I have not had problems with arch, i used it about two years ago and didn't have any issue

>>108651943
There's just a weird group of Arch haters that've been hanging around /fglt/ for a couple months now. Pay no mind.

I don't understand tiler / scrolling WMs at all.
First, I don't think workspaces have any value at all. I've never been in a situation that I want to fragment programs into virtual desktops and have to shift instances around them. In a world were you can't minimise they make sense, but minimising and expanding is faster than swapping workspaces especially if you need to pull a window from one workspace into another.
Second is window snapping. Typically I just have my shit floating around, because you can only interact with one window at a time. Having windows overlap has value because can scale shit exactly how I want and click/tab between larger windows. I have KZones set up so that if I want to split my windows, I just drag a window on a zone and it automatically sizes to that zone.
Is this a multi-display desktop vs laptop situation? Tilers / scrolling feels somewhat better on a single display laptop, but then I find myself just wanting to use floating windows / workspaces in plasma instead.
I have hyprland set up so I can drag to resize tiles when I need, and I know you can temp float windows but overall its just not clicking for me.

>>108652016
you're not even doing enough with your computer to understand workspaces. of course you don't understand tiling. also, hyprland sucks. the default config is missing a lot of keybinds. start with i3.

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>>108651710
>>108651838
Yep I resisted using it on Arch because I still have Mint/Cinnamon on my other laptop and felt like I should have something different. KDE is OK but I prefer the GTK native apps in most cases so might as well go with a GTK based DE, and besides there were a few little quirks on KDE that irritated me, so Cinnamon it was.

I'm still not fully convinced the Arch/Cinnamon combo is worth the effort rather than just using Mint, but in any case here we are. It's a good setup overall and I will probably not distro hop again for AT LEAST a week.

>>108652016
Workspaces is basically alt-tab on steroids.

>>108652232
Well really it's just a case of "Do you want the exact look/feel of Mint but with the guts of Arch?"

>>108652043
>you're not even doing enough with your computer to understand workspaces.
I have all my terminals, vms, browsers, chats, text editors, video editors, obs, music, games running on a single workspace, but I have multiple displays. Even when I'm working on my laptop I stick to a single workspace. Alt tab is simply better than juggling between workspaces.
>hyprland sucks. the default config is missing a lot of keybinds. start with i3.
Give some examples? Also, i3 is x11 which isn't adequate for modern machines.

>>108652327
you can technically run i3 on wayland, i forget the project name. anyway, the i3 config file has shortcut keys for moving windows around that hyprland completely skips. i can totally see installing hyprland and not getting why tiling wm's are useful. you'd have to know to add those keyboard shortcuts.

>>108652016
>I've never been in a situation that I want to fragment programs into virtual desktops
You can say the same about using multiple monitors. Workspaces are basically that. If you're always just using a single application or maybe 2 apps at most then you can probably live with a single monitor and a single workspace. But as someone who has a digital job, having 2 monitors plus 2 workspaces is a fucking godsend.
>minimising and expanding is faster than swapping workspaces especially if you need to pull a window from one workspace into another.
The point is to separate your software. Having my work-related shit in one workspace and my other shit in another is much more convenient than having everything in a single screen on a single panel. Even when I use 2 or 3 displays I'd still use 2 workspaces.
Also, workspaces are much "faster" since you'd usually have 2-5 apps open in a workspace. With a single key press (or by just scrolling to a workspace) you're minimizing 3 apps to open 4 other apps. That's much faster than individually minimizing and maximizing software and manually managing your windows.
>Typically I just have my shit floating around, because you can only interact with one window at a time
Well that's the difference. Many people need to use 2 applications at the same time.
>Is this a multi-display desktop vs laptop situation?
It definitely is for some people. If I only had 1 monitor I'd always use workspaces. In fact on my laptop I actually always use workspaces. One for basically everything and one for just a specific app that's always full screen. But even on my work laptop and my desktop were I have 2-3 monitors I still use workspaces. They're just a very convenient way of grouping software.
>I don't understand tiler
I see it as a similar thing to using the split view in a file manager like dolphin. I'd often rather use a split view than have to use tabs or multiple instances when I'm moving files between folders, comparing content, etc.

>>108638727
Turns out I just needed to run boot recovery. Thanks for the tips.

>>108640872
does cs2 just run like shit on linux?
it takes a lot longer to load and then the splash video just stays on top of the ui. i get real bad stuttering for the first ~5 min of a match.
is this just a wayland issue? i'm using plasma 6 on an nvidia 3070

>>108652636
how many matches have you played? stuttering is usually shader compilation.

>>108652636
nvidia drivers are kinda crappy on linux

>>108651402
>>108650070
>Aluminum, but the drawing space and buttons are plastic.
I made a mistake. The 2025 Intuos Pro is a magnesium alloy, not aluminum. (The Microsoft Surface Pro is also some kind of magnesium alloy, for comparison).
It's the 2017 Intuos and Intuos Pro lines that are aluminum + glass fiber resin.
Think the older models were plastic. The Intuos4 (2008) is plastic.

>>108652684
>The Intuos4 (2008) is plastic.
*2009

>>108652684
>>108652707
kek I need to double-check my info before I post
sorry

>>108652645
honestly, i just popped into a deadmatch, it started stuttering and then rebooted into my windows install instead

>>108652651
they used to be SO much worse. wayland was basically unusable. i went back to linux on my desktop and was surprised by how well it worked. (mind you, i'm talking about the """open""" driver, i don't really know if the older driver got any better)

>>108652651
this anti-nvidia shit is always from some amd bro with no personal experience.
>>108652723
i think i've read that cs2 stutters for a bit on linux until shaders are compiled and then it's fine.

>>108652723
It's compiling Vulkan shaders. It'll hitch for a bit as all the shaders are put into the shader cache, then it shouldn't hitch anymore. Also make sure that "Allow background processing of Vulkan shaders" is enabled in the download section of Steam settings.

>>108652636
Yes. You're supposed to run the Windows version through Proton.

>>108652904
That fucks with the anti-cheat though and can get you VAC banned.

>>108652922
>caring about competitive
just get 10 friends together and play private games

>>108652943
Nobody cares about CS2 if it's not either competitive play or trading desu.

>>108652943
>getting friends
Just play with bots

>>108652636
i get fine performance on nvidia/wayland but for some reason I will have to do system restarts to get stable fps, this is on native

anyone using this for vulkan accel on a linux vm? host and guest

I just want to use dxvk and proton inside the vm so I only need vulkan

https://gist.github.com/peppergrayxyz/fdc9042760273d137dddd3e97034385f

I use Void on my AMD laptop I love it I just use the XFCE iso as I am not comfortable setting everything up my self I tried to do it with labwc and it was a nightmare.

Anyway I want Void on my main pc that I game on and unfortunately it has an Nvidia card I tried the XFCE version but Nvidia plus XFCE plus X11 is a terrible situation especially if you use OBS while gaming like I do so that's a no go.

What would be the easiest way to install Void with Wayland like what DE/WM that is just easy, that I don't need to configure every tiny thing?

I've tried asking AI and it helps but also spouts a load of shit that just creates more issues.

My gaming pc currently runs Arch.

I checked online and apparently XFCE will not work with Wayland so that one is a no go.

Am I insane for considering swapping to an RX 7900 XTX or 9070 XT and keeping my RTX 4080 as a backup GPU, just for the better Linux performance and potentially having DSC actually work on AMD? (I don't know if it actually works. What I do know is that it doesn't on NVIDIA, and as a result, my monitor can't use the RGB image format without dropping the refresh rate down to 100Hz or turning HDR off.)

>>108654336
nah man, you made a bad choice getting the 4080 in the first place, you might as well live with it since you spent so much on an inferior product already, I would be in sunk cost fallacy for another 2 years.

>>108654534
I am actually at my wits end with nvidia and feel chained to windows because their linux driver.

>>108649163
I do, but I think you have to enjoy the fuckery of it.
>I've heard most of the other languages are missing various major features, such as background/job control
They all do, but you usually have to phrase it in terms of thinly wrapped C library calls. bash, especially when paired with GNU parallel, is a really powerful multiprocessing language. You just have to understand what it's doing in terms of the original C interface to use it without getting bushwhacked.

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>Store the key in a safe location, at the very least the key should be readable only by the root user
where would that be? /root?

>>108655848
that's probably fine. if they didn't suggest a location, there's probably not a "usual" spot.

Why are there like two paradigms of making native apps (Qt and GTK (and libadwaita??)) fighting for dominance instead of everyone just sticking with one?

>>108656230
if they can have two different ssh implementations, where they are both exactly the same, I don't see why they can't have two ways to present windows.

>>108656263
what do you mean? openssh and? dropbear is the only other one i can think of and that is a much smaller project for embedded systems.

>>108651634
just hope you don't have to deal with optimus hybrid graphics ass dumb shit (I dont know anything about laptops nowadays but that was always a pain on my 2019 dell with an nvidia 960m and some shitty intel internal graphics card)

>>108651641
I've had problems on a Lenovo Legion 5 with Linux

>>108652016
it's for tab/window hoarders. I have in firefox a youtube window, a linux/programming window, a torrenting window, an email window, and each of those windows has many many tabs and they also have minimum dimensions they should take up on the screen and other programs that would be associated with the things I would be looking at with those windows so I need workspaces and tiling makes it so I don't have to drag things into perfect place I just move them to the workspace and boom it's perfect.

>>108654336
>>108656397
I have a 3080 laptop and it uses hybrid mode and everything works fine. I always hear about stuff like this with Nvidia cards but don't have problems, what specific issues are common?

Once after updating the Nvidia driver I had a problem with suspend/resume, so I rolled back and never updated it again. That was like a year ago and other than that it's been smooth sailing.

>>108642248
KDE plasma's default dark theme is aggressively ugly the fuck. That dark grey is probably the least attractive colour for a dark theme. It's crazy

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>>108646423
Based

>>108656447
my problem with optimus was just having to do everything on this page and also apparently there were extra limitations of what my specific laptop could do in terms of actually using my hdmi ports (regardless of OS) and other silly things. But this was a very old Dell (that still runs fine today).
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NVIDIA_Optimus

>>108652016
Even after reading the replies I still agree with this anon. It's digital schizophrenia. Just do one thing at a time? If you are doing your work then do your fucking work, you don't need all your personal stuff open. I am so bad at switching back and forth from firefox so now I just close firefox when I'm working. Set it to restore previous session, so when you go back to it you still have your 37 tabs of articles and youtube videos you will never finish. I even downloaded Chromium to use as a work browser, so I don't get distracted with personal stuff when I need to look things up for work I'm doing.

I feel like its just an extension of the 37 browser tabs mindset. 'I need all these things open, just in case I want to go back to it'. But you won't will you? It's mostly just digital clutter. You aren't urgently going back and forward between more than a handful of different things at a time, which is easily maintained with just switching windows.

I'm not saying this applies to everyone and of course everyone is free to use their computer as they see fit, but I find it hard to conceive of a workflow where it is particularly beneficial.

>>108656230
Licensing

I wanna move to linux for gaming but poopOS sucks ass and arch-based stuff breaks too often unless I updoot every single day, what should I use?

>>108656892
Doesn't break for me and I update weekly
>what should I use
Fedora

>>108656892
Just a headsup I have several graphical glitches on Fedora using an Nvidia card.
Nothing extremely severe but it's annoying.

>>108643453
nixOS stands for
-----Nix
-----Is not
linuX

>>108656892
Either de-snap Kubuntu (or whatever Ubuntu you like), try Debian Testing, or use Fedora (or Nobara for a pre-setup gaming experience). Arch-based distros aren't that bad. If you update once a week or even one a month you'll typically be fine. You might have to run an extra command to update your mirrors, but a lot of derivative distros make a UI for it. The only real danger is your computer turning off mid update.

>>108657063
>>108656908
Yeah but sometimes I will forget to update weekly and I don't want it breaking like it did in the past. Might go with this debian testing, I've used debian before in servers and it never broke, ever

>>108651943
Every single time I've seen the gayest fucking shit and the distro has been visible about 7 times out of 10 it was Arch; It's the certified redditard distro and honestly it's just fucking vibes.
yeah I did in fact wrote down that last sentence, my previous post had a dumb answer as a response to a dumb question, no need to write a goddamn thesis to make retards like >108651955 make think that I'm not some sort of "arch hater" (despite the fact that I'm not) just because the discussion itself is not really that important. If you like it then just use it, simple as, GNU/Linux gives you freedoms, just fuckin' use them.

>>108652016
>I don't understand tiler / scrolling WMs at all.
then it's... just not for you...? It's not that deep, been using AwesomeWM for like 7 years and it's served me well, I just find it comfortable and fast.
>Is this a multi-display desktop vs laptop situation?
Actually you might have answered it better than most of us could. If I had multiple screens then multiple workspaces could feel redundant, usually I use the workspace 1 for my terminal with tmux opened, workspace 2 for my FM and workspace 3 for my web browser so I can google stuff quickly, but I'd wager it wouldn't make sense if I could have 3 screens with each thing opened already.
But that's a workspace thing though, the shortcuts still feel comfy as hell and fast.

>>108656636
Fathoming a work in which you must have more than one thing opened is not that hard, specially as a /g/ user.
Don't get me wrong I'll be fully transparent: I'm a fucking jobless bum and yet I still find reasons to have 3 things opened, and when I get a shitty office job I can still reasonably imagine that I'll be shoved into the seat of a PC with winbloat, where I'll have to open up Office 365, my E-mail client or Gmail, Whatsapp web for comfort (because most shit in my country is handled through whatsapp) and google to look shit up. It's not that hard.

Is there any way to get rid of borders on windows that touch the edge of the screen on Sway?

>>108657288
Probably. I remember turning off most borders ASAP when I installed it. Try one of these in your config, and look at the Sway docs if one/both don't solve your issue:
titlebar_border_thickness 0
default_border normal 0

>>108657322
Thanks, but I still want to keep the border on sides that are touching other windows so I can resize them. Is this possible or no?

>>108657407
>so I can resize them
You can also resize a window by holding down the mod key, clicking the RMB, and dragging

>>108656892
>>108657194
Why not try Bazzite? Yours seem like the perfect use case for it. It's tailor made for gaming and updates are a no-input-required thing, it updates itself when you reboot your computer.
I've been using its sister project, Aurora, on my laptop and it's been working fine for many months now. Some things are a little pain because "immutable" but overall there's workarounds for everything and if anything else, the system never ever breaks. There may be occasional bugs but are often resolved quickly and you can just rollback if somethings breaks while waiting for the fix to arrive.

why does people install things like nobara bazzite and cachy just install the base OS instead of relying on a config made by a bunch of indians

>>108658032
It's easier for some people.

>>108658032
I get Cachy because there's the whole performance improvement deal, but the others are just to ease people into Linux:
>Immutable so you can't sudo rm -rf ./
>Comes with pre-installed shit people want (codecs, Steam) so users don't have to deal with them
>As simple as installing Windows

For example, imagine telling someone, who only knows how to use their phone, to install Fedora, and them tell them to type a bunch of commands on the terminal just to watch Youtube.

>>108657243
>Fathoming a work in which you must have more than one thing opened is not that hard
I have an obsession with doing everything myself, so for example if I am making a game in Unreal I will make all the assets and do all the textures and animations and music and so on. Obviously this just means I never finish anything, but my point is I am the extreme end of this, so for example I might have Unreal, GIMP, Blender, a browser, some reference pictures, a text document of my notes, actively working on all of them.

Due to my convoluted multitasking workflow I had to set up a streamlined quick-switching system to navigate between my different work areas on the fly. I have achieved this using the key combination of 'Alt-Tab' to cycle through open applications. I also have a small strip at the bottom of the screen which displays an icon for all open windows, which I can navigate to with the mouse and bring them to the front with a single click.

Now I don't mean to alarm anyone, but I am being a little facetious here. Just having a laff, we like laffing right? If you like it then that's fine for you, enjoy it brother.

>>108658127
>Immutable so you can't sudo rm -rf ./
Distros haven't let you run this for a long time. Windows isn't immutable, and Windows has

rd C:\ /s /q

which can be run by any admin without a password and without a confirmation prompt, so I question the premise that immutability offers anything to Windows users.
>As simple as installing Windows
I've installed Bazzite a few times: you hit next on the installer, just like any other distro.

>>108651246
I don't even put things under /mnt. Just /.

>>108658224
>Distros haven't let you run this for a long time. Windows isn't immutable
Fair point, though my idea is that you can't mess your installation and that was a common tongue-in-cheek example (as is deleting system32). The main importance is preventing the user from rage quiting because they've messed with something they didn't understand and created a problem that can only be solved by reinstalling (which everyone using a computer should be ready to).
Windows has a shell and commands but I guarantee 99% of users have never seen it, and a lot of modern Linux improvements is moving the common user away from the terminal.
>I've installed Bazzite a few times: you hit next on the installer, just like any other distro.
I was running out of upsides honestly.

>>108652016
I use the gnome desktop swap thing for gaming and OBS on a single monitor it is very handy.