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>>108641287
each second of my time is valuable

>>108641349
taking daddy bills cock is valuable?

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>>108641287
It's too hard to use, unironically.
Most people don't see computers as tools, but as expensive Internet appliances that should just work.
Tools require mastery, appliances just do things, learning to use Linux is treating your computer like a tool to be mastered, most people don't want to make a hobby out of using their computer.

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What are the normies' problems with Linux, honestly?

>>108641287
Because they wouldn't be normies any more by definition.

It's not that there's a problem with it, you've defined that group of people that way. It's like the atheism thing.

>>108641287
this nigga got a dead channel lmfao

>>108641422
What atheism thing?
It's just another flavor of religious fervor, only they replaced god with scientists.

>>108641287
I can't imagine caring

>>108641287
They'd rather complain and avoid the smallest of actions in the way of freedom.

Because the most popular linux distros are shit.

Linux mint sucks
>Nemo sucks, slowest file manager on linux, has trouble loading large files and folders with lots of thumbnails. KDE does it instantly. 25% slower than windows 11 file manager
>Sucks at streaming, Compositor is shit and has frametime lag in games when you stream
>Drawing program has visible lag and takes seconds to even undo a line you drew
>Still has no file picker with grid view and still doesnt have proper thumbnail loading in the file picker
>Has no VRR or HDR

ZorinOS Sucks
>Uses guhnome and has shit themes
>Uses guhnome software store doesnt even load icons and images properly, constantly lags and breaks
>VRR sucks and is noticeably worse than KDE
>Desktop feels laggy and not smooth even on all AMD

Even if you have a gaming PC with all AMD, linux still sucks. KDE even sucks, VRR works but it krashes sometimes, the desktop regularly krashes but KDE is the least shit out of all of them but even then KDE you have to replace its shit video player with VLC and its shit kcalc with speedcrunch or gcalc.

Did you know kcalc doesnt even support commas inbetween numbers like 9,000.

>>108641587
>kcalc doesnt even support
Everyone just opens a new xterm/tmux pane and runs python3 when they need a calculator.

>>108641287
They think their time is too valuable while spending 8+ hours on tiktok

>>108641287
Not enough people using it. That seems to be the biggest problem.

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>>108641592
Or they install some other better calculator. And this is the point with linux. The devs dont give a shit

The desktop developers dont even use their own desktops. They are actively destroying linux.

Its crazy that a calc app doesnt show the numbers your typing in that you NEED to see as big and with commas, so you know what you're typing.

>>108641287
never underestimate OEM. half the systems on your car are not required to actually have a functioning car, but you will buy them anyways because they come with the car. windows is a factory sound system or muffler. most people will just keep it.

>>108641287
You won't save Linux even if you amplified these issues. Linux is gaymer normie thing now and all you can do is watch Valve profit from your foss, and Microsoft and Canonical replace your gnu with propetiary rust binaries straight from Blackrock.

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>>108641612
This is GENUINELY what the KDE devs think a calculator should function and look like. How are you supposed to know what number you are typing in the top with that small ass text(you can't change it) with zero commas.

This is how kcalc looks by default

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Linux mint made their desktop ugly.

I would use it if they replaced nemo for nautilus, replaced drawing app for pinta, added gtk4 thumbnail picker grid support, added VRR and HDR with wayland and go back to the old menu and design theming.

>>108641287
Normies barely know how to plug a USB drive in

>>108641349
freedom is always worth your time. the price of freedom is never too great. if you cant understand this, i at least hope you dont actually care about computers. if you DO have those beliefs and DO like or work with computers, you are a gross hypocrite.
>>108641633
they arent forcing you to use anything you dont like. free software tools for things other than programming often leave something to be desired. but not switching away from spyware like windows because the calculator font is too small is comically petty. and you can always just install whatever you want. unlike ios which locks you out of non app store software, and now android also prevents side loading, and proprietary desktop os like windows and chromeos really really want to go that way too, and regardless they always reserve the rights to basic functionality on your computer by their principles. you have no agency over a machine that belongs to you.

>>108641698
The point is linux is worse than even windows 11, on a calculator level, on a file manager level.

Until even those basic things are even matched, it wont be an alternative. I would never consider

>>108641698
We get it, you're married to your ideology.

>>108641715
>explorer.exe crashed would you like to look for a solution?
>no solution found.

>>108641715
you will never switch because youre a cock sucker and ignoramus
>>108641734
if you look at things for more than 5 seconds you will find there are no alternative conclusions. you just dont give a fuck and never will because youre a cock sucker, nobody else can help that

>>108641795
>you just dont give a fuck
You're right, I don't. You care too much.

>>108641715
I can tell you've never used anything but windows.

>>108641814
Try using linux mint right now on an all AMD gaming PC. Youll be proven wrong. Ive tested both nemo and windows file manager. Nemo is noticeably slower, at least 250ms slower every time you open it, 100ms+ slower everytime you switch folders and takes 20+ more seconds loading thumbnails of the same size and count than in windows.

>>108641856
I'm sorry someone told you to use mint. they should be shot

>>108641287
If there's a single problem on the OS that absolutely has to be solved with a console command then it's never getting normie adoption.

>>108641349
fpbp

>>108641592
>>108641612
you can do math in fucking Kickoff or KRunner at least if I type 9+10 and it shows the result as a search result, quite cool

I think we can all agree on the fact that Mint is objectively the second worst way to introduce normies and noobs to linux, the absolute worst being Ubuntu.

>>108641900
steamos can't come soon enough

just look all the bios options to get linux to boot from nvme

>>108641900
It would be good they just need to fix it but you know damn well they wont do any of this shit because their ego is too big.

>Put the old classic menu back, revert the change, Its much more intuitive than the new ugly menu
>Go back to the old color scheme of dark grey with windows 10 like accent colors
>Fork nautilus with GTK4 and completely replace nemo
>Add wayland support for VRR and HDR into cinnamon
>Replace drawing app with pinta, a proper photo editing software
>Replace xviewer with gnome image viewer or some other better one that doesnt lag when you pan on an 8mb photo

Linux mint sucks, While their update manager and software store is good, thats about all it has to offer. It needs a lot more work to actually be on par with windows.

>>108641887
also works in the gnome overview

>>108641287
For normies social media like facebook, instagram, X, Youtube is 100% of their computing. That is where the masses congegrate. Reddit and SnapChat are places that are like slightly below the surface but still normie friendly. Anything that logins with Google/Apple is where turbo normies will end up. That's why they spread so far across the net.

They don't give a damn about offline usability, own-ability of digital media/content, p2p, privacy, digital sovereignty. They have the mindset that computers are like a service provided by a company. They don't hold the same values and right/wrong moral code as us FOSS nerds. It means nothing to them if the entire world's economy is interdependent on Adobe's subscription fees or big tech's monopolies and walled garden or Youtube houses health scam advertisements. Heck if it wasn't for Steve Jobs 2007 iphone (or any parallel device in an alt time line) they would not be using tech.

That's one of the major reasons I don't like the idea of normal people using FOSS anymore. They are still free to do so obviously, I don't dictate anything. At first I wanted to rescue them from Adobe's subscription fees and big tech's centralization, so they can outline text shadow and bevel text without paying 60 USD a month and I succeeded with gegl:styles in GIMP 3. But very shortly after that I got my ass banned from GIMP for publicly posting neonazi stuff associated with GIMP memes and defaming other FOSS people. So I learned my lesson
normies don't share our values. They never cared in the first place that they pay 60 USD a month just to make fancy text in Adobe. People like Lunduke who want "normal people" to use FOSS are making a grave mistake.

>>108641673
you can literally replace the default app with Pinta easy. I used Cinnamon with Caja and it worked fine. I even use xfce with Caja but it has one unavoidable problem where the file manage from GIMP and other apps always opens with thunar, but on Cin its fine.

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>If Linux is so good, why don't more people use it?
Nobody here is answering the question. The answer is simple: it's because most PCs don't come pre-installed with Linux.
Bulk PCs mostly ship with Windows, presumably due to partnerships with Microsoft and the existence of MS Office. Most keyboards ship with the Microsoft Windows logo printed on it. You think it's because the logo is good? No, it's because of partnerships with Microsoft.
Case in point, if MS Windows is so good, why don't people use it on their phones and tablets? Because the phones come pre-installed with IOS and Linux/Android, and nobody runs MS Office on their phones and tablets.

>>108642083
You shouldnt have to replace any apps, It should just work like windows 10. I used mint for 3 months I hated it and I had an all AMD PC.

First it was the menu, didnt like it, had to replace that completely on an update back to the classic
Then it was nemo, they made it noticeably slower in recent updates from 21.3 to the latest 22 release, so I had to replace it with nautilus
Then it was xviewer, didnt work for me as someone who takes a lot of photos because it literally cannot do the one job its designed to do, fluidly pan and inspect photos, it literally fails at the SINGLE thing it was designed to do as it lags, LOL.

So eventually mint got to the point where I'm replacing more things rather than things just working.

Thats a problem with all linux desktops, the devs dont actually use them or the apps inside.

>>108642013
>While their update manager and software store is good
No they are not. You have to go to a dropdown menu in the update manager to switch over to the latest version of Mint; pressing "Update" alone does not bring your computer up-to-date, which is the opposite of what the user expects "Update" to do. Moreover, the update manager should NOT be a separate program from the software store. Discover, GNOME Software, and pamac all let you install software and update software from the same program, because why the FUCK would you have a program called "Software Manager" that doesn't let you MANAGE software? Is updating not considered management? Mint is such a fuckup and I hate it.

>>108642101
slightly advanced users on Windows 10 replace apps like VLC and Irfanview and that popular audio equalizer that slips my mind at the moment

I replaced the default Fedora image viewer with Feh, Geeqie and Nomacs because they are better. I don't and have never liked xviewer or ristretto. Just like everyone replaces the default video player if it isn't VLC or mpv

Though granted eplacing a file manager is much more tedious then a simple image viewer, because the file manager is actually tied to the desktop environment in many cases.

>>108642116
I meant to say *replace defaults with

>>108642112
No linux distro has a good update system for the entire system besides discover and even KDE is shit with its programs.

People have been screaming at the devs of zorinOS to either make their own software/update manager or use bazaar or move to flatpaks or something after 5 years still have not moved an inch. ZorinOS devs are retarded.

>>108641287
>want to do something basic
>requires command line
>doesn't work

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>>108641287
If you want a UNIX-like experience, why wouldn't you just get actual UNIX on way better hardware?

Because I want to download visual novels, run .exe and read them
>buuuut protonlutriswhatever runs everything even better than--
Don't care, not switching until japs start shipping native linux binaries.

>>108641287
That's quite a forehead.

>>108641287
Until everything installs with one click, normies won't even consider it.

Remember the tantrums normies threw when Microsoft changed the Start menu with a fullscreen one? Yeah, they're like that, they don't want to learn anything new, just get the same old experience they're used to.

>>108641287
They have to install it. Too much work.

>>108641287
UI/UX fuckery.
Lack of pre-installed ways to do things
Lack of GUI
Commands found online don't do shit so they give up

>>108641287
>looks and acts inconsistent (even compared to Windows 10 with its 3-4 menu styles)
>needs workarounds to run software people actually want to use
>the sheer range of options is a pain for people who want to do more than distro hopping

>>108641287
i don't know and i don't care. if you want to use it, use it, if you don't, don't.
linux users don't have anything to gain by attracting people who aren't interested.

>>108641287
Because non-autists aren't interested in spending several hours per week troubleshooting their computer.
Double click the .exe and go. Maybe if linux can get to that point one day then it will see more than 3% user base (half of which are just steam decks)

>>108641612
>>108641633
Why do you even use those barebones calculators? The best calculator out there is Qalculate and it's open source as well, so all your screeching about foss calculators is irrelevant. For quick calc I use KRunner anyway, and since it has qalc integration it can do unit conversions, to there's no reason to use these calculators at all (probably the reason they're barely maintained).

>>108643295
>linux users don't have anything to gain by attracting people who aren't interested.
Wrong. I only recommend Linux to idiots because it's a great source of schadenfreude.

>>108643282
Wtf are you retarded? What is this nonsense?
>UI/UX fuckery.
Any modern Linux DE has better UI/UX than Windows. Windows still can't migrate from control panel and all the alternatives they introduce are fucking dogshit.
>Lack of pre-installed ways to do things
???
Most user-friendly Linux distros have archive managers, PDF viewers, VLC, audio players, Firefox, LibreOffice out of the box. Meanwhile Windows have jack shit.

>>108643415
>Any modern Linux DE has better UI/UX than Windows.
lol
>Most user-friendly Linux distros have archive managers, PDF viewers, VLC, audio players, Firefox, LibreOffice out of the box
and every single one of them is utter shit

>>108642116
replacing things on windows is also much more stable than replacing them on linux, installing a new menu or file viewer has a significant chance to break something once you update because the update was made for the original software instead and overwrote some settings or something so now it's botched.

>>108641349
I'm sure working for shekelstein is more valuable for your time than wanting an OS that doesn't spy on you. Normalcattle are not human it seems

>>108641368
Appliances are tools. You have to learn how to use a new washing machine. Likely by reading a manual. It's really just laziness. Nothing is stopping any of them from doing some light reading on what is offered and available while they use whatever they use, but they make excuses instead of using any amount of critical thinking. It's with every decision and purchase they make, and has nothing to do with the particularities of linux.

>>108643685
Nope. Provide an example, please.

>>108642116
All the file managers are terrible, and the fact that they auto-mount drives is dangerous and unnecessary, when they could be mounted on double-click. Everything that "tries" to make linux user-friendly does things that move backwards to unnecessarily hand-hold.

>>108644827
>and the fact that they auto-mount drives is dangerous and unnecessary
dolphin doesn't do that

>>108644768
Exquisite bait.

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>>108644999
Dolphin is still kde krap, though.
Hold the down arrow to skim down, and picrel happens.

>>108645087
It's not bait just because it upsets you.

>>108645133
Indeed. it upsets me. someone who uses both.

>>108641595
i think my time is too valuable while spending 2+ hours scrolling this site and responding to bait from the media assassins

>>108641358
You tell me.

>>108641869
>Use Linux
Ok.
>N-no, not that one!

Moving from Windows, I tried both Linux and Mac out. I wanted a computer to use for my dev stack (Angular => C#/.NET => Postgres). Did Linux first. After some initial installations it started to turn into this:

>wait why isn't this just working?
>look it up
>oh the thinger x must have not done y try this script
>ok that didn't do it try this script
>oh that's broken again

I did this for a few days then kind of checked out. Bought a Mac mini and attempted to do the same things

>click click click it just works, it all works, now I can focus on the programming

So that kind of settled it. In some ways it's like Linux exists precisely for this group of gatekeepers who enjoy making simple things tedious.

>>108644768
>You have to learn how to use a new washing machine. Likely by reading a manual.
No you don't. 99% of people look at the dial, pick something like "regular" or whatever, dump too many things and too much soap into it, slam the lid and hit "start".
>Nothing is stopping any of them from doing some light reading on what is offered and available while they use whatever they use
That would take too much time away from using social media or watching youtube/streaming. Normal people don't care about the operating system they use, but they want it to get out of the way so they can use the internet.

>>108646420
>they want it to get out of the way so they can use the internet.
They can't make it do this, now.

>>108641287
Gayland. Unironically every time I've seen a company try to transition to linux (outside of the IT dept) endless bitching about Gayland.. It's the one thing hardcore linux autists and normalfags have in common funnily enough, they see right through that shit.

>>108641592
Does no one use calc anymore?

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>>108648562
I use qalc in a terminal spawned at startup, bound to super+c.

Just use Nobara KDE anons

>>108648562

installs maxima
does not know how to maxima

>>108641287
Because Windows and Mac already do everything Linux does but better and simpler
They also feel more polished and are compatible with a lot more software

>hourly jay niggirwin flamewar troll thread
>>108646331
>10:13:43
>>108648416
>15:32:46
>>108649448
>18:54:21
>>108650617
>23:28:24
>jay niggirwin samefags himself to save his flamewar troll thread from page 10 after hours of no bites again

>linux finally has a shot at year of the linux desktop
>decides that's the perfect time to go mask off with a massive push for troonism and democrat bootlicking
lol

lmao

>>108641400
They're all professional Photoshop users.

>>108641287
My brother has an old Thinkpad T14g1 that he uses only for media streaming and browsing in bed, because he already has a work laptop and desktop for gaming. I asked him several times to try Linux out on the thinkpad, especially cause everything would work for him out of the box. His response is always "I don't feel like it."

>>108641349
which is why you spend so much time on 4chan, right?

>>108643396
>Qalculate
this

Its not pre-installed on their PC

>>108641287
Because people want ownership. If someone is working on a software they want to sell and make money, they demand ownership from the platform they are using. If a fucking program crashes, they want to get that fixed and recover the files. That is done through businesses. So the developers adopt an OS that has ownership that the developers can call on to manage their problems. Similarly, the devs rely upon software that require ownership so they can call on support to manage their problems. And the games they develop for the customers are developed on there. For the gamer pov, they demand ownership of the games they are playing, for developers to fix it. This all requires ownership.

And ownership costs a lot but people are willing to pay for it because its cheaper than not having it. And because there are ownership of responsibility involved, the companies have to protect the investment. So all things business related become proprietary. Such that people use Windows/Mac primarily due to reality of living in a world that requires responsibility

I swapped to mint from windows and I've been liking it

>>108641612
People still use calculators? I've been just doing math problems that would take me too long to do in my head using python in the terminal for at least the last 6 years now.

>>108641349
>AI gen image
clearly you couldn't manifest this image with a little bit of photoshop magic, because doing the same thing in GIMP or Krita doesn't respect your time, right?

>>108651082
When you're ready come home to Artix.

>>108641287
Most Normalfags aren't even aware that linux is an option to consider. They use what their employer gives them (windows), or they buy a Mac. Or they grew up with windows for gayming and keep using windows. None of them ever even consider or evaluate Linix as a possibility. Their decisions are in no way whatsoever driven by the quality (or lackthereof) of the alternatives in 2026.

>>108651068
Very tortured use of the term 'ownership' there.
Especially given the reality that Microslop stopped caring about delivering a quality product to home users many years ago, and for enterprise they compete with Red Hat and Canonical who offer """ownership""" to their customers.

>>108641287
1. normies don't know what an OS is
2. software is impossible to install
3. OS success is exponential, more users means more tutorials, more software and more computers coming pre-packaged with the OS, fewer users means the opposite

>>108641287
this dude is one klingon looking motherfucker

>>108650624
Schizo tier response. Test Nobara yourself - it comes with AMD / Nvidia / Intel drivers preinstalled. Afaik for NV it doesn't support 10 series or below. Also had trouble running it well on gpu + igpu laptop but that wasn't my gaming setup anyways. Not a perfect system obviously but for me its way better than Windows.

I also understand that some people can't let go of their Windows programs. Testing out if your software will run through WINE is also an option. Example - I managed to run FL studio with minor issues and only some plugins not working. For me is already better than i expected. Downloading videos (which is used to do using ClipGrab) works pretty well with yt-dlp - paste link into terminal with whatever parameters like resolution or audio quality and its yours.

>>108641287
>filtered by command line
>filtered by shortcomings with gaming (it's much better than it used to be thanks to Proton and better driver support but it's still not perfect)
>filtered by shortcomings of free alternatives to monopolized software like MS Office or Adobe programs for example, LibreOffice is good but it's not perfect, and most people coming from PhotoShop for example aren't willing to put up with the learning curve for something like GIMP, even if GIMP has gotten better and more Photoshop-like in recent years
>overwhelmed by choices for distros, even though Linux Mint and Ubuntu are overwhelmingly recommended as the best choices for beginners and normalfags they still have a learning curve for people coming from Windows and MacOS
>more well known or popular distros like Fedora, Debian, and Arch have a much steeper learning curve, most normalfags try to jump straight into those based on YouTube videos they saw or hearsay from coworkers, friends, etc. and find out the hard way they shouldn't, then they get frustrated and write Linux off without trying another distro

>>108653381
Oh and one more thing:

>currently existing options to run Windows software under Linux simply aren't good enough for general use, WINE always has issues and incompatibilities with more complex software, WinBoat is abysmal dogshit in its current state, and VM's have obvious limitations and arguably defeat the purpose of using Linux instead of just installing Windows as the main OS anyway

>>108641287
But they do. Linux market share went up from 1% to 5% now. People are ditching Windows and Mac more active nowadays.

>>108641349
>normie
>has anything valuable to do
pick one.

>hourly jay niggirwin flamewar troll thread
>>108653007
>08:20:07
>jay niggirwin samefags himself to save his flamewar troll thread from page 10 after hours of no bites again

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Linux experience turns into a nightmare the moment you step out of the user-friendly starting zone.
I want to connect my camera to get the photos - it does not work. I plug in a usb DAC, it is not recognized. I want to connect external display - it does not work out of the box either. Of course all these problems are solveable but it will be half an hour of stackoverflow reading and typing. Actually it won't, because external hardware comes with a software which only exists for Win/Mac. There might be some version of half-baked project abandoned 4 years ago on github if you're lucky but that's it.
I just don't get why troonixtards feel proud and special for solving problems which do not exist in the first place.

Windows LTSC is sexy and cheap

>>108641287
>i buy what fren has
>also, nerd never fren

>>108641287
A boomer Gave me his old. Laptop and said I need u to wipe this and have it play DVDs so I can sell it
So naturally I put Linux mint on it because there's no way in hell this things running 11
Now he calls me up every now and then asking for an icon on the desktop to play DVDs so he can sell the laptop and I said maybe try not selling old laptops if you don't know what youre getting into

>>108653567
Helping boomers is like quicksand.

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>>108641287
>What are the normies' problems with Linux, honestly?
If I have to use the command menu at all I will projectile vomit onto my monitor. I want my computer to just work, I want to click on things and not have to think about them, the idea that some software is incompatible with my computer fills me with confusion and fear. If I can't find the solution to my problem with a quick search on Youtube, it is an insurmountable task. I am normgroid, destroyer of Linux's marketshare.
The average normie doesn't give a shit how fast your software runs, or how unbloated it is, or how private it is, they want it to Just Work :tm: . Linux doesn't Just Work :tm: for like 10% of things, and that is far, far too much for the average normie. That makes it a shitty, esoteric, unusable software for nerds.

That's why, I think, people are hopeful for SteamOS. Because Valve tends to be very good at getting things to Just Work :tm:.

>>108653868
anon, why are you looking at packages of Japanese female hormones

>>108653913
What do you mean, Anon? Those are clearly both Linux packages

>>108653922
Bayer makes a Linux distro?

>>108653943
You didn't know?

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>>108641287
so did he fuck pistol or not?

I was told to try LMMS as it's modelled on FL studio, which I use, and it was visual schizophrenia. Not bad for throwing on a USB stick and keeping your data a little safer but not a daily driver at all. They are doing more stuff with GUI's these days but you nerds like the terminal and normies ain't ever going to switch to that. It's pure autism, rote and a lotta googling.

>>108653992
Nope, he had some mid gf that was worse than her somehow.
And Pistol/Nephani opened OnlyFans/Fansly and is fucking some lanky looking dude.

>>108641287
Because normalfags don't want good, they want to be exploited then complain about it.

>>108641287
I switched to it on all my pcs, my laptop is old, like crazy old, it gets random kernel panics and I have to get a live usb to fix it each time, I should probably toss it and windows I'm sure wouldn't be better but still, it's just one of my little issues. My main gaming pc, I can game on it fine, I can't perfect frametime though and it's infuriating, rivatuner is a lifesaver and it doesn't exist here. Other than that, there's some neat frontends for ffmpeg that are just easier out of the box on windows, I just let ai feed me the command to do what I want with it in linux and that works fine but beh, I'm not going to learn the commands or type them out each time lmao

>>108641287
It isn't pre installed on their laptops given to them by their employer. Do normies even buy computers for themselves anymore?

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>>108641287
No one actually wants to install a new OS because it takes time and learning. The average person just doesn't care enough which is pretty fair and to be expected.
The only way that linux becomes the norm is if including it in commercial products is the norm - which will never happen because of vested interests.

Also, for the best experience with linux you need to be comfortable with a CLI and that is not just another learning barrier but goes against the trend of nice looking GUI's for everything. I've also noticed that any devs that try to overcome this become complete sellouts (Ubuntu).

The average experience with distros is improving. It is slowly growing in the pc building + gaming hobbyists sphere but it can never truly appeal to the basest normalfag. Ever.

>>108651153
>Nonono that's not the distro that i want you to use
>instead use this meme OS so you too can larp as 'the cool kid' like me

>hourly jay niggirwin flamewar troll thread
>>108653007
>08:20:07
>>108655647
>13:58:06
>>108658122
>20:30:38
>>108659582
>01:42:53
>jay niggirwin samefags himself to save his flamewar troll thread from page 10 after hours of no bites again

>>108641287
Linux is good if you have an IQ of at least 100. Many people do not.

>>108641673
They should just fork GNOME 48 and start over.

>>108641287
Ubuntu just werks. I have more problems with windows

>>108641287
People are retarded

They don't want to learn anything new, not even a little
They don't want to try anything unfamiliar
They don't even want to make choices

They will use whatever slop they are presented with, period.