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>just vibecoded a tampermonkey script for X using Claude in less than an hour with only a vague description of what I wanted and 15 minutes of syntax error troubleshooting
Yeah, coding/programming is 100% cooked as a career now.
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>>108649147
What makes you think I'm not doing it right now?
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holy copium batman
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>>108649143
That's not impressive
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>>108649200
AI is the future. You need to learn how to hunt and forage if you want to survive the next few years. Since the price finally went down on some kind of raw fat I took my chance to buy a decent amount. I ordered 12 lbs raw lamb suet, 1 lb goat liver, 1.5 lbs lamb hearts, 1 lamb brain (4oz), and 1 lb of lamb leg steaks. I never cared to read any books except for a few relating to health, since I thought those ones would be useful to me. I'm considering growing berries in my backyard since I can't get untainted berries at any store. I don't know much at all about growing plants, but my mother does. I'd like to eat some moldy too. I tried that once with the least tainted berries I could get at Walmart. They were still sprayed with some kind of pesticide. They were also previously frozen, which is generally less of an issue for fruit than for meat. I wasn't harmed, but it's questionable how helpful it was to eat them. Eating proper moldy berries will allegedly help with detoxifying from heavy metals, presumably through biosorption. Aajonus Vonderplanitz recommended it to people who were vaccinated at any point in their life due to the mercury and aluminum in vaccines. According to him it can be dangerous if you eat too many moldy berries. For most people he only recommended 3 moldy berries a week. Some can handle more. If you eat too many, a high quantity of heavy metals could be forced out of your tissues & into your bloodstream in a short period of time, which could very easily do more harm than good. The same thing can happen with the drugs & herbs other people use to try detoxifying themselves from heavy metals. Now is a good time to start eating moldy berries.
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>>108649143
SWE, dev, or anything hinting that the position requires some computer know how, is going to be messy for a while. The people running companies will not care if you are doing things properly. They want it done, and they wanted it done yesterday is the mentality that's going to be prevalent for who knows how fucking long. Think it was bad then? Everyone, and their fucking mother, will be mandated to vibecode and produce slop. Your only out for this is either, run your own company, transition to a field that is highly regulated, or get the fuck out to save your sanity. It's going to be exhausting, for the people that stay, you will be expected to work more, produce more, and get paid the same, or worse - less. On top of that, the anxiety of getting culled will always be in the background. It doesn't matter how talented or how specialized your existing skillsets are. The management class has taken complete control and they want the nerds fucking OUT.
What a fake and gay world we live in, and it just got worse.
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>>108649200
>he thinks I want to be hired as an underpaid overworked code monkey in a Post AI society
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>>108649276
>it kinda does?
How? Genuinely explain, I fail to see your logic behind this reasoning. If the average joe can use ai to code, that devalues coding as a whole. It doesn't matter if you can sell an app with it on the apple store you fucking Jeet.
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>>108649345
use ai to vibecode. Does that calm your autism?
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>>108649356
What is with jeets and thinking something is a waste of time unless it can make them instantly rich
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>>108649364
the theme of this thread is "programming careers are over" and I am making the point that there is more to the job then generating lines of code
as evidenced by the fact that OP has not shared how he has monetized vibe coding
so it seems as if companies are still interested in hiring programmers despite AI
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>>108649399
>completely irrelevant
>programming jobs are obsolete because of AI
>implication is you can fully replace programmers with AI
>programmers get paid by companies to make monetizable software
>no vibecoders are making monetizable software
you are seriously retarded if you cant follow this simple line of logic
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>>108649455
You stupid Indian, who is going to pay you?
Claude works for free.
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>>108649230
Is that what you tell yourself?
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congrats on your effortless non achievement
surely this will work for you somehow
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>>108649502
Im satisfied with the end product, its pretty much exactly what I wanted, and all it took was like 40 mins of prompting.
Didn't need some coding bootcamp, or a degree, or decades of experience to do it either.
Die mad about it.
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>>108649608
Its literally just a script that changes Twitter's/X layout to display a massive grid of tweets all on one page, while also ignoring/hiding tweets that are low engagement. Sort of like looking at a massive meme board.
Not really worth trying to sell off the app store to normies like some scamming Indian but still valuable to me bc it solves a unique problem.
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>>108649608
That's the neat thing about vibecoding- you can just ask for OP's prompt and have it generate something identical.
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>AI CEOs are building bunkers
can i ask a genuine question? no matter where i look, be it various podcasts with sam and tristan harris, brian greene having guests from silicon valley over, the weird antics of sam altman and his peers; everyone tries to make me believe that AI will kill us. Or that it will make all jobs obsolete and thus take all the political bargening power of the 99% of the population and make us obsolete which will result in chaos. CEOs are hence building bunkers to keep themselves safe until either AI or the human meltdown, or both, has gone its course.
but i just cant shake off the feeling that they dont have this AI ready and probably never will. all these AI stories about alibabas mining crypto, some other blackmailing people etc etc, all just seem like stories they want you to believe that AI is totally not a scam and the bubble wont pop. that its this super crazy thing and there is a 20% chance it will all destroy us. 24th century technology about to meteorstrike the 21st century world. but why does it feel like these doomer and pro-AI tech-wizards play the same game and that is "pump more money into AI and create even a bigger bubble to burst"? because if we really are this close to extinction, shouldnt everyone be highly alarmed and countries and companies be in discourse to stop everything?
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>>108649698
What we call AI is not really AI. Just a very sophisticated text predictor.
Programming happens to be a very easy taks to automate with prediction since it's all pattern based.
Nothing will happen other than you being priced out of owning hardware and being forced by your employer to use this tool since he expect x10 the output for the same pay.
Even if one day we had real AI it could never do any actual harm since it can't interact with the real world
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>>108649143
>just vibecoded a tiny personal hackedydoo that would never be let anywhere near a professional setting
>yeah the entire career is cooked now
All this really proves is that it's great for quick 'n' dirty home projects, but shit starts to fall apart quick when you increase the scope and turns out you need to tard wrangle the outputs so much you'll basically still need human programmers to tidy up Claude's sharts all the time. Not to mention how the whole "replace everyone with AI" angle will 180 the moment the bubble pops and companies will frantically try to correct the retarded course they've taken before they inevitably are forced to close.
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>>108650212
>he thinks there cannot be a bubble because the tech is world changing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dot-com_bubble
Oh wow, how the fuck are we posting on the mongolian basket weaving forum if the World Wide Web was a bubble that popped?
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>>108649647
Notice what they didn't post.
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>>108649698
>because if we really are this close to extinction, shouldnt everyone be highly alarmed and countries and companies be in discourse to stop everything?
The Moyai were carved as the last trees on Easter island fell. I don't believe in AI apocalypse but if there ever is a species-scale catastrophe you can be sure that absolutely nothing will be done until it's too late and even then people will still be blind to what is happening to them.
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>>108650212
The bubble's in the valuations. All that expenditure, income not even covering OpEx. The AI corp valuations are based on the hope of them being profitable in the future, but hope is a very fragile thing.
Price things fairly, and SWEs look reasonable to hire again.
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I’m having fun materializing all the ideas I’ve had in my mind for years but was unable to execute because my ADHD brain can only give a fuck about coding when it gives me a paycheck. I might actually develop quick iOS cashgrabs as a side hustle.
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>>108650686
>quick IOS cashgrabs
them days are over. the app stores are flooded with new jeet-coded apps to the extent that even sorting through them for approval is becoming an issue. This is also the time when people are least likely to download new apps. As a business model it's basically cooked. If you want to make money focus on a real service and you can make an app to access it for the phone crowd but it shouldn't primarily be an app. You're welcome.
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>>108650716
holocaust isn't real and Im using Claude to vibecode a keylogger right now. You know, something actually useful.
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>>108650138
Buddy, I proooompted the code......
just ask an AI model like Deepseek or something to make you the same script.
Ive made so many tweaks to it at this point to tailor to my specific needs its not going to be useful to some random 4chan autist such as yourself any way
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How does one vibecode? I'm not a jeet so I don't care about scamming people into using my shitty vibe coded webapp, but it seems like a decent tool for slapping together basic programs for personal use with no effort. Do you just need to throw an insane amount of money on Claude using some meme editor like Cursor? Can it even be done for free or are they tightening the purse strings?
Last time I tried I couldn't even make a fucking countdown timer application in GTK4 using ChatGPT. Straight up had to spend all my time reading documentation because it kept sneaking in depreciated GTK3 code from like 10 years ago.
>I want it to play a sound when the timer runs out
>okay here's how that code looks like
>this shit doesn't work, it's giving me this and that error
>of course, how stupid of me, that is no longer available on GTK4, do this instead
>hey, this shit still doesn't work, it's giving me this and that error
>I can see why that is an issue, here's how it's actually done
>copy pastes the deprecated code from before
Repeat endlessly.
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>>108650758
1. Install Gemini-Cli
2. Tell it to make the thing (or edit the thing you want edited)
Cost zero dollars.
Method 2:
Pay github 40mo, get copilot
You get claude opus 4.7, and a bunch of other models,, all included, copilot is great, it ties into github really well, it's really worth the money imo.
Method 3:
You can go for Claude Code + Pay Anthropic directly. Claude code is a really good client, it has a great ecosystem, and you might find you only need claude and don't need the github integration. It's a valid choice
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>>108650802
You tell me how to fucking talk about "how to vibe code" without bringing up the companies that literally make the software that do it. He asked "how do i vibe code something" I gave him the answer. Sorry I didn't bring up ComfyUI to a newcomer to something, you egotistical retard
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>>108649520
You never needed a CS degree for a tempermonkey script. I'm actually happy that people can now have fun with AI and write some hobby software they enjoy, but professional programming is still different.
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>>108649143
ai is a useful tool but the idea its replacing programmers just isnt happening
it routinely fucks up simple asks, and misses significant parts of code. in general the more you use it the more its used blindly the more the codebase will become unfixably fucked up.
i dont know why i responded to this seriously.
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>>108649632
So it's a free TweetDeck with calibration for only high reply posts; let me guess, it's vibecoded in Electron?
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>>108653330
I agree with you because I have used AI on projects and it makes unfixable/unmanageable code after some time.
My fear is that it will become better and better at code generation and organization. When will the limit of it's abilities be reached?
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>>108654066
its over either way. it removed the iq barrier for programming in general. all people do anyway is hire people they know (indians hiring indians) and whether the product works or not is irrelevant.
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>Deepseek
lmao
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>>108654357
>whether the product works or not is irrelevant
In the west, maybe.
But that's a political issue, not a technological one. Maybe you should just *demand* better. What ever happened to "vote with your wallet"?
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STEM nerds are filled with so much hubris, they can't fucking read between the lines and understand what this exactly means for someone like OP to code in app using AI on basically the equivalent of a lunch break.
If a fucking hobbyist can do this, then yes, coding as a whole is fucking over because it creates a new bottom line that employers will set that will further degenerate coding as a skill and an actual job.
No, your boss won't give a shit about how much of a "coding god" you are- he just wants the product so he can please his shareholders.
I should really quit messing around and build my homestead already before its too late.
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>>108654635
The PC market is full of people who know that everything is shit, but don't know why or who's responsible. They need to be told.
>autism
>just straight-up, 100%, unfiltered autism
>and it needs to be banned from all software development altogether
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>>108654575
Exactly. what people refuse to accept is that being an expert on a language is just not needed anymore. You can argue as much as you want that "coding was 20% of the actual process" and that "programmers were actually doing way more", but the truth is that back then a big portion of CS nerds were heavily interested in the intrinsic characteristics of languages rather than their applications.
For example, they were C/C++ experts, Java experts, Rust experts, and so on and they all had very strong opinions about their language. With LLMs none of this matter anymore since we basically have another layer of abstraction. They are facing the same fate of ASM programmers back when higher level languages were introduced.
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>>108649147
That's the point, there is no money in coding going forward since anyone can do it, and it's only going to become increasingly automated
And since there's SO MUCH money to save in this sector, the AI coding development is incredibly fast, there is no point in trying to enter the programming field from now on
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>>108650704
Whatever. Creating new apps with coding agents is so fast I can sacrifice a couple of bucks in tokens to launch a quick PoC. Five apps with 20 users each paying $5 a month is…
>ask LLM to do the math for me LOL
$500 a month. What if it’s not on the App Store? SaaS is a thing too. It’s always gonna be lucrative until something fundamental happens that kills the business model (i.e corpos killing data centers and increasing token costs until it’s not longer lucrative).
Right now? It’s a gold rush, and doomers/luddites don’t become rich. Seriously, language deep autismos are not different than theorical math gooners.
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>>108654746
Its uncanny how quickly programming became irrelevant as a skill.
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>>108649204
It's still pretty hard to make an actually working, non buggy website without being a developer and only using LLMs. For proper websites and apps there is just too much going on. One off scripts (basically the equivalent of leetcode), yes the machine is incredible at. Anything that requires larger context is still hard for these things to do correctly. Though in the future this may not be the case.
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>>108654746
>They are facing the same fate of ASM programmers back when higher level languages were introduced.
Sure, let's just ignore the death of Moore's law and the fact that compilers are still - and will probably always be - incapable of producing SIMD code.
>heck, they can't even follow the simplest ABI rules
>like preserving upper YMM portions
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So basically people with no experience can roll out a bespoke app for themselves that they will probably use for a few days and drop or replace entirely with whatever their next idea is.
Thats fine I guess, it's probably going to be a buggy mess under the hood full of holes but it's not hurting anyone else.
The real problem is people deciding they can make a quick buck on this and drop their buggy software full of holes onto app stores.
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how is coding cooked if you had to know what you were doing in order to properly troubleshoot the issues the AI generated?
is not like coding was inaccessible in the past and now AI is letting the floodgates open, coding has always been accessible but people were just too lazy to sit down and take the time to learn it. AI doesn't change that, even if you can use AI to quicken the idea to software pipeline you still need a level of understanding to get to an actually usable state, most people won't ever overcome that barrier and if they don't literally get what they (think they) want at the press of a button, even ignoring the fact you have to be specific when it comes to developing usable software to being with, they will eventually lose interest or look for someone that actually knows their way into a finished product if they really need it.
As a final thought, a job is someone paying another person to perform a task that they either couldn't do themselves or couldn't be bother on doing on their own. Again, AI doesn't change that.
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>quietly lobotomize the models so they're useless for anything
>the goyim notice
>start damage control "I did a thing with LLM", can't even make a fake screenshot because of how useless the models became
2026 AI is fucking embarrassing.
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>>108649143
i asked gemini to make me a userscript for youtube that places an "open transcript" button to the right of videos and instantly loads it, and has a search feature.
then i discovered it hooks into the api and has rate limits, and for some reason gemini can't make a userscript that simulates a human clicking the "open transcript" button which doesn't seem to have such limits.
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>troon open source dev offs xerself
>can just have your LLMfu maintain the project or make a new one
How is this supposed to be a bad thing again? Anti-AI redditors are so mentally ill they pretend fucking coding of all things requires "soul".
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>>108663464
He literally doesn't know anything.
All of the faggots who ride the hype of AI and use it to do software development delude themselves to the fact that without their considerable skill and knowledge, any software they've produced through prompting would be unusable.
I don't understand why so many people are gunning for this when it kind of ruins the actual work of software development.
When the prices go up even more a lot of people will secretly be relieved to not have to be coordinating a bunch of agents like a tard wrangler.
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You are all retarded children.
There are only two end of time signals for software development as an occupation due to ai
1. Ai companies stop hiring devs
This one is self explanatory
2. Llms don't code in human readable languages anymore. Only machine code
This is the important one. If llms are going to kill software devs why output in a particular language at all? Why not just output everything in machine code which only llms understand? That would be more efficient and cut out the middle man. Because code is fundamentally still written for humans for features, debugging future support etc. Why bother outputting in anything readable by humans if its so perfect and doesn't need human intervention? Because were not going anywhere.
Furthermore, if company a has 10 engs using Claude to output 5x by each eng but company b can afford 50 at x5 who is going to output more and thus hire more engineers
You fucking retards need to understand basic business and economics and how these people think.
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Some people who use LLMs might think they're better than other people because of that. But you aren't competing against people from ten years ago who somehow don't have access to the tech, you are competing against people who have the same access as you do.
If you were at a disadvantage before AI, you will almost certainly be at a disadvantage after it.
And for people who think there will be fewer devs if devs could use it to be ten times, a hundred times, a million times more productive, they are ignoring what happened in every other instance in human history.
When computers became a thousand times faster, did we suddenly have a thousand times fewer computers? When storage space became a million times more compact, did we produce a million times less?
No matter how much capabilities improve, people will never downscale unless they have no other choice, and having skills will never put you at a disadvantage.
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>>108664265
>literally every proflific AI """""scientist""""" and major """""developer""""" was dumb enough to enter a ponzi scheme and is now desperately attempting for someone else to hold the bag
>"it's not hype bro"
The amazing thing is that retards like you fall for this shit again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again ...
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but ai has already gotten a lot better in the past 2 years so why wouldn't that trend continue
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>>108664610
If you didn't predict we'd be here two years ago, what makes you think you know how things will be two years from now?
Reality doesn't strictly follow trends, things happen and they seem obvious in retrospect.
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>>108664645
What are we talking about here?
Image generation?
That shit sucks.
Coding?
The context windows have grown but it isn’t like it couldn’t do most of the same stuff two years ago.
Face it, you are a kool-aid drinking retard.
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>>108663528
that would be the good outcome, full agentic slopping is way too expensive token wise, and we're left with a tool that can easily run locally and save us plenty of time in searching and understanding new codebases, or duck debugging, or to refine and discuss designs and architectures and such, or searching the web, or searching through docs
llms are actually a very useful tool for programming when not used to generate tech debt at ludicrous speed
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Both sides have a point. AI/LLMs/whateverthefuckyoucallit can be very useful for programmers and they can get a ton of shit done way faster and get a lot more work done overall. But that doesn't mean Claude and ChatGPT are basically calculators now but for programming. In order to do a good job as a software engineer you still need to have actual knowledge. So there will always be a need for programmers. However, the golden age of getting picked up off the street and getting a junior position just because you knew how to center text in CSS is gone for good. No more large teams of a bajillion "engineers" where only like 5 people do the bulk of the work, especially now when those 5 people can get that same work done themselves but with AI tools. The competition for dev positions is way too high now and that's the actual reason why you can't find work. I feel bad for all these 20-somethings who have to jump through hoops just to get an offer for an entry level position
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script kiddies never learn
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>>108649143
>1.25 Hrs to write a script
What a waste of time. You could have easily written it in half that time and been onto another project but you won't learn to code and rely on an autocomplete to do it for you.
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>>108665552
Come on, man.
None of the textures match.
The shit is very obviously generated by something that has no taste.
I get why it is fun and exciting to be able to get something that is close to what you ask for in 5 seconds but it is not the same as actually creating something.
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>>108665567
You have literally no idea what you're talking about and I doubt you could do an better lol
Something tells me no matter what I posted you would have said the same thing regardless.
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>>108665567
>none of the textures match bro
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>No! The slop generated image looks good!
Now who’s disingenuous, you fucken homo.
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>>108656057
It's not.
And i say that as no ones who agree with people saying that now hobbyist can make their own programms/apps . But at one point you can't expect to release an app that will actually work as much as you'd expect because if you want to get into good performance and a lot of good libraries it will come to C,C++ and unfortunaly if you don't know anything like me then it will buffer overflow a lot and if you don't know how to fix it don't expect ai to know how to.
I can vibecobe my apps and use them locally and not give a fuck but would i launch something professionally where my clients expect the product to be bug free etc ?
How you gonna ask for something related to critical systems where your thing has to be reliable at 100% ?
Idk i'm a nocoder and i'm pretty happy with apps i made (and that i use actually) and just the fact i can't even code a basic C,C++ hello world from my head while having a browser in Ada interoped with C++ is something new. But we still need real programmers because we still need people who know their stuff and actually contribute to basics that nocoders like me can use.
If libraries/frameworks/programming languages didn't exist vibecoders like me would have gone nowhere. We still need people who know their stuff to actually develop tools for "AI" that then vibecoders can use.
For people saying but Rust is memory safe or bug free or whatev. With Llms it's .unsafe() and if you ask not to,it leads nowhere kek. But back to the point probably if you know your stuff you can geg around that.
You can't expect yourself to understand programming if you don't code yourself,it's like a real language,if you don't put yourself in situation where you'll be in the country of the TL ,hear, interact,write to etc to native people don't even say you are B2 or C1 because that's not true and reality will give a you a quick reality check,same for any real stuff with real world application,you've got to make your hands dirty.
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>>108665821
i would even add that progamming will become a more and more relevant skill as more and more people will actually take the easy path.
just like nowadays a good carpenter who know it's stuff and haven't been trained to only be a framer will be a guy who can charge the price you'll never pay for and he won't give a fuck ,he will get paid by rich people having a good frame ,good stuff,good wood etc while you'll get your mc mansion.
if the slop is enough for you that's okay no prob but there's people who want quality and are ready to pay for the price ,ultimatly you win because your mc mansion will last 10 years, a real house will last oula bro who knows.
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>>108665899
>carpenting is just like programming
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>>108665523
what the fuck is the water doing in the distance?
what is up with the logs and trees? they don't even make sense.
seriously, the mermaid sucks. it literally looks like it was shittily shooped on after the fact.
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>>108665627
This sucks ass and the dude who made it is a retard.
>“I had a literal vision of women in Victorian dresses wearing space helmets. I was in a hypnagogic state halfway between awake and dreaming, and I was like, ‘Oh, wow. This is something I've never thought of or seen. Oh, I could put this into Midjourney,” he said.
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These dead two-dimensional mermaids keep washing up on the cement because this is a dry beach and it's too cold for them with all this snow. There's probably some more hidden among the enormous fallen trees that don't have any reflections.
What a pity.
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>>108666094
but it did win, so it was at least better than its competition
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>>108664645
It has also gotten a lot worse in the past two months. The bubble has popped. The best you can hope for is for open source models to reach what cloud models used to be able to do. That was the ceiling.The real reason mythos is delayed is because it's bad and they're trying to fix it.
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It won the the digital category. Ironically art like this could only win because painters were buck broken by photography more than a hundred years ago. Now all kinds of inconsistencies and errors are soul, and even that refuge is being taken away from them. Just look at this crap.
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>>108667605
it's pretty funny to look at now, like in 2022 this was pretty amazing for AI imagery, but now it's so painfully "AI" that you'd wonder how it was ever able to win anything.
i was aware of this when posting that example. and if anything it should serve as a reminder that there is not such thing as objectivity when it comes to art. it stood out at the time, and that's all it had to do.
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