>>108653332
Call of Duty

What, you thought the death of Moore's Law was just a meme?

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>>108653332
I'll justify it to myself somehow

It's funny because this is the standard in every other industry.

A car having 7% faster top speed is usually 3-10x more expensive.

Somehow we got so used to regular gains that we now consider such a small price difference for that extra performance ridiculous. This is how all mature technologies work.

https://www.techpowerup.com/348400/no-ryzen-9950x3d2-for-techpowerup-gamers-nexus-or-computerbase

LOLMAO AYYMDEAD KNOW IT'S SHIT SO THEY DON'T LET REVIEWERS REVIEW IT

It's the Pentium 4 Extreme Edition or AMD Athlon 64 X2 FX-62 of today. A meme overpriced cpu for people who can't overclock.

>>108653332
Lisa Su needs more gibs for lobbyists
She's not Jensen they don't pick up her calls if she doesn't turn up with bags of bribes

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>>108653594
That's not the problem. The problem is that all the performance increases so far have been theoretical for the most part. There is so much software from twenty years ago that still performs like shit.

>>108653332
Apparently you still need to core park with this. I thought the point was you’d get slightly less performance than the 9950x3d but not have to deal with all that bullshit.

>>108653616
>>Apparently you still need to core park with this.
What
please be lying
Why???

>>108653624
NTA, because:
>OS schedulers really like moving processes around
>and moving processes invalidates all sorts of caches
>which then have to be repopulated from memory
>and you can schedule about 2000 ADD instructions in the time you wait for 64 bytes of memory

>>108653624
cross ccd latency
remember your zen 2? you had 2 ccx on 1 die, if you had a 3600 you effectively had 2 tri-core cpus in your system

7-10% faster is the whole reason stupid nigs pay $300-500 extra for nvidia gpu over amd equivalent

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>>108653704
lol.

>>108653704
I don't think the people using computer parts as fashion accessories can grasp percentages

this is what you get for not buying and supporting risc-v

you deserve this bullshit and even worse

>>108653332
it probably adds some instruction or extra pci lanes or wider bus or something that has its niche uses across various industries.

>>108653714
The one at the bottom reminds me of overtuned post processing/enb settings

>>108653332
the use case is getting stupid people to stfu about adding the cache to both ccds expecting more performance

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>>108653332
CFDs and other super nerd stuff

They should have just made the vcache span both CCDs instead of each having it individually...

>>108653332
there's like 5 tests it does over perform
but you really have to spend most of your time on that list to consider buying it

this is what happens when they keep releasing the same chip reheated for nearly 2 years straight
x86 is so embarrassing. why can't they ship new parts regularly

>>108653332
mogging the brokies

>>108653332
this is a chip for farming whales
it's so stupid i thought /g/tards would like it

>AMD says it's fucking retarded to make a 9950x3d2, it won't make significant difference and it'll way more expensive
>"NOOOOO YOU GUYS NEED TO MAKE ONE, WE WANT TO CONSOOM"
>AMD releases the retarded chip because they have nothing better to do
>retards complain about the chip being mediocre for the price
just lol and lmao

>>108653332
Use case for Intel Extreme black label CPUs since Core2Duo/Quad days?

>>108655852
AMD could have solved this easily. they have an entire series of epyc AM5 SKUs which never had reviews
if they had launched it there the price would even make sense
but they wanted more money
then the retards and poor fluid dynamic simulators who wanted their dual cache variant could have it without complaining

>>108653332
AMD told people for years that adding more cache to the second CCD would do almost nothing. But people bitched and moaned and complained about wanting it, so finally AMD gave in and released one... at which point those same people said they thought it was pointless all along and a complete waste of time.

The moral is you should never listen to your customers, because most of your customers are fucking retards who don't even know what they want.

>>108653332
>use case for the AMD Ryzen 9950X3D2?
eliminating CPU bottleneck for RTX PRO 6000 owners

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>>108653714
lol. this you bruv?

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>>108656094
https://desuarchive.org/g/search/image/yTl7BDkdkucIquYcXUSYlw/
There's no doubt it's all the same guy.

>>108653714
WTF I love Linux now

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>>108656126
Oof, one of the generalbots as well. AMDrones are pathetic.

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>>108656126
Whoops, cut off the most important part of that image too.

poorfag intelkikes seething
and can release the most retarded SKUs that no one cares about and still no one will Bulldozer 2 (AKA Arrow Lake)

I'm just trying to work out who its for. As far as the reviews I've read it mostly is best for compiling code.

>>108653332
>use case for the AMD Ryzen 9950X3D2?
none, they should make a 4channel hedt if they want people to be able to actually benefit from so many fast cores,I cna guarantee you that these cpu are basically spending 90% of their time waiting

>>108653332
None, they said in the past there was no difference but people still bitched and asked for dual V-cache. There it is your halo product.

>>108656210
it's like 3 seconds faster to compile the linux kernel

who is it for?

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>>108653594
But if that's the case there are CPUs for that.
This is just regular desktop stuff

>>108656282
AMD fanboys getting what they deserve? As foretold in the dead seal scrolls.

>>108653332
it was made by amd to prove a point about how wasteful dual 3d v-cache is
they'll never do it again

>>108656210
it's for people who like to brag on forums instead of actually playing games

>>108656298
>>108656307
linus uses threadripper not this pleb consumer cpu

>>108653332
Yeah not for me, I'm still sticking to my 7950X3D for now.

>>108653332
Yeah not for me, I'm still sticking to my 5800X3D for now.

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>>108656509
>it's for people who like to brag on forums instead of actually playing games
Hey, I like playing games!
Especially those where you get to kill cops for shits and giggles.

>>108656518
>>108656558
What will the 11950X3D be like

>>108656607
24 cores with 12 cores per ccd

if you want an actually unified huge LLC you will need to wait until Nova Lake shows AMD how to make a cache

>>108653332
None. Should've used that silicon to rerun the 5800X3D.

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>>108653332
>>108653596
>>108653704
>>108655764
>>108656563
>>108656674
It performs WORSE in games than the 9850X3D half its price lmao

>wccftech.com/amds-900-ryzen-9-9950x3d2-dual-edition-flops-in-reviews-losing-to-a-chip-half-its-price-in-gaming/

Let's see the power usage numbers.

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>>108656816
What is the power level gap between 5800X3D, 7800X3D, 9800X3D and 9850X3D

>>108656853
Linux kernel compile times (lower is better):
>AMD Ryzen 7 9850X3D 8-Core 1044
>AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D 8-Core 1111
+6%
>AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 8-Core 1381
+32%
>AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D 8-Core 2035
+95%

>>108653332
>7% performance gain over the 9950x
That's in the best case, actually it loses to 9950X in production tasks that care little for cache due to clockspeed difference. It cannot boost as high and margains are much tighter in most production stuff as cache is not some magical panacea in productivity and clockspeed tends to matter more for said tasks.
>>4% performance gain over the 9950x3d
Again best case, in practice 9950X3D is slightly faster in productivity that uses more then 8 threads for similar reasons as the non-Vcache CCD can booster higher.
>use case for the AMD Ryzen 9950X3D2
There's a reason why AMD never made a dual-CCD V-cache Ryzen SKU until now. I suspect this release is just pure bragging rights meant to milk /v/tard whales who don't know any better.
For pure pearless gayming, just stick with 9800X3D or 9850X3D for AM5.

>>108655441
You would get a proper Epyc or Threadrippoer build (getting the cache heavy SKUs) for that. X3DX2 only makes sense if you need the cache but cannot afford or justify the Epyc/Threadripper platform.

>>108656044
Extreme Edition SKUs and Black Edition back in hte day were were fully unlock chips that usually came from good bins.
These are just excessive V-cache yields that didn't make the Epyc/Threadripper cut and 9800X3D/9850X3D units weren't moving fast enough.

>>108656905
meme benchmark, barely no difference between the X3D and non X3D chips

>>108656816
It performs the same, that's just margin of error. AMD said a dozen of times it would perform the same but people insisted they need dual cache

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>>108657045
>12 game average

How do they measure this exactly? Every game uses a different engine and has different FPS limits

>>108657123
>fps limit
what fucking modern popular game is locked by an FPS cap?

>>108657181
>what fucking modern popular game is locked by an FPS cap?

Many engines are built for 60fps, 120fps or 240fps

>>108653332
If you care about the price it's not a product aimed to you

>>108657037
>dual cache

QRD

>>108657205
it has 5 chips
iod, ccd0 and ccd1
both ccd have an extra cache chip added
AMD didn't bother previously because it was actually detrimental to clock speed but with 9000 series they decided to show everyone how little it does even when clocked high

>>108657123
They pick 12 games and run the same scenes. The goal is to simply get deltas.

>>108657187
yeah maybe over a decade ago, nowadays basically anything can run at 1000fps+ if you got the power, and unless you are capcom, nothing will break

>>108657205
It performs well across the board with no performance downsides unlike the assymetric 7950x3d and 9950x3d
It does use slightly more power and cost way too much though.

>>108657192
Not everyone defecates money, pretentious worm

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>>108656918
>7%
>That's in the best case
Sasuga Windows. On Linux, it averages 10% faster than both 9950x and 9950x3d.

>>108659634
Linux is 0.20% marketshate

>>108659634
All these multi die chips have always run better on linux than windows, because the algorithm was implemented before, but I've seen reviews of this and in the best case scenario it had less performance than a 9800x3d.

>>108653332
what makes you think performance gain is a metric?

>>108661080
Is that number from the Steam Chinese internet cafe hardware survey? Either way, I only care about its market share on my desk (100%).

>>108661080
Windows doesn’t really matter when it comes to computers
It’s a ranch for goy cattle

>>108653332
Daily reminder that x3d only excels because amd uses a horrible io controller

>>108653594

Computers and cars couldn’t be more similar these days. The Neo will be the Toyota Corolla of laptops for the next 5 years.

>>108653332
> 4% performance gain over the 9950x3d
In gaming? I think it's worse due to lower clocks.

>>108656281
Yes, it already had existed. You have to pay the Threadripper Pro/Epyc platform tax for it.

>>108659634
Kiddo, their test suite uses a good number of applications/test that actually takes advantage of extra cache and threads which makes 9950X3D2 more rosy then it actually is in practice for most applications under *nix ecosystem.
Again, this product only make sense if your use genuinely takes advantage of the threads and cache but you cannot afford or justify the Epyc/Threadripper Pro platform tax.

>>108661208
Wrong, it exists because Ryzen ecosystem are basically a multi-socket platform on a chip. Intel is doing the same thing as they made the move to chiplets (starting with Arrow Lake). This is why Arrow Lake got a cache bump under "Plus refresh" and upcoming Nova Lake is going heavy on L3 cache.

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>>108661080
in china

>>108656816
9950X3D still the best deal for gaming. I wouldn't want to wait double as long for game installation and shader compilation to finish.

>>108661442
Literal fucking bugmen

>>108661554
No, the best deal for gayming is actually Intel. For min-maxing without going full pants-on-head retard, it would be 9800X3D. 9950X3D only make sense if you want to do productivity on the side.

>>108653332
Better win10 performance without having to lasso your tasks to the x3d ccd threads.

>>108656931
>X3DX2 only makes sense if you need the cache but cannot afford or justify the Epyc/Threadripper platform
exactly

>>108653332
I get all off mine CPU for free (9950x3d2 as well) for free due to reasons so use case for me is:
> COST:
0
>PERFORMANCE:
4% over others.
>Free 4 %

I don't actually use it but that's the logic.

>>108656931
That's a great deal.

gaymers

>>108653594
>car analogy
can't make this shit up

>>108656931
x3d TRs exist? i thought they were saving all that silicon for epyc

but they still outperform intel

>>108656210
>As far as the reviews I've read it mostly is best for compiling code.
Extremely useful for AI.
iykyk

>>108658075
Do you get mad at expensive gold watches? I don't, I wouldn't ever buy one

>>108653714
Now try cyberpunk or CS2, lil labubu unc

>>108653332
just so AMD can claim they have the fastest CPU

same as 13900KYS/14900KYS a couple years ago

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!!! DO NOT BUY !!!

>>108667257
see, amd sent him a review sample afterall

I don't expect this shit to get any better soon, they are hitting the limit on current silicon technology. If intel doesn't fuck up then they will be better in ~3-5 years because they are making new fabs with new tech that will take TSMC to catch up to... Unless intel fucks up. You had a good run AMD, now stop fucking us

Wake the fuck up
AMD never really intended to make this shit, but with the upcoming dual bLLC Intel CPUs, 9950X3D2's sole purpose is so that AMD can claim they were the first ever to ever release dual big L3 cache in a CPU
It was never supposed to be good value, move on

>>108667627
we will get one last hurrah with 2nm+GAA+BSPD and everything after that will be single digit improvements every 3 years for 50% higher cost

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>AMD is showing the first signs of turning into Intel
>Intel got so buttfucked they admitted to not being able to catch up any time soon and fucked off
fuck

It's a flagship device that's expensive to make. The fuck do you expect?

>>108667756
Surely nvidia will save the consumer processor space soon!

>>108667756
its already set in stone that novalake will blow zen6 out of the water. the 9950x3d2 is amd's last time to practice kesef kal

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>>108653332
>ask for product
>amd says it's pointless
>keep asking
>they give you what you want
>cry about it
consumers are retarded cattle

>>108667833
its a huge cash grab. there's no reason why having adding another 64mb of cache on top of the 9950x3d would cost $200-250 more. the actual performance of the product is good though

>>108668011
it's normal pricing for a HEDT part

>>108668114
its priced at amd's opportunity cost, i.e. the cost of two 9800x3d's

>>108668011
>there's no reason why having adding another 64mb of cache on top of the 9950x3d would cost $200-250 more.
Wtf are kids being taught in economics classes these days?

>>108668011
>the actual performance of the product is good though
The majority of the people buying this part aren't even considering any of that. They're just picking up the top sku. This part is marketed towards people that are just grabbing things off the top shelf. Just like the 9950x3d.

>>108668114
well its not hedt. it has a 128bit memory bus, 20 pcie lanes and 4 chipset lanes. and not even ecc is supported officially

>>108668222
all ddr5 is ecc

>>108668374
on-die ecc isnt the same as traditional ecc

>>108668011
they aren't putting it on top, it's between the interposer and the die. very difficult to accomplish.

>>108667833
Who are the actual retards? The people who asked for something without knowing any better, or the people who gave it to them when they knew full well it was stupid.

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>>108653332
None. Wait for Nova Lake.

>>108653332
Pair it with whatever is the stupidest highest end Geforce card that gives you 10% more perf for 80% cost.

>>108667820
>not x86
Will only be worthwhile if Microsoft kills Windows

>>108669392
I'm waiting for Zen 6 X3D CPUs, I don't think Intel is going to release anything good enough to make me swap my mobo too.

>>108657045
>1080p
largely pointless numbers
2k is the vidya sweet spot, 4k is a meme but that's what consoles target so it's relevant

>>108669361
Most the people asking for it were indeed retarded. A few people knew it would suck for gaymers but wanted it anyway. For scheduling simplicity or whatever. But AMD for wanted that ASP to go up at a time when DIY PC sales are slow.

>>108667274
The CPU GN used for the review was sent from some youtuber named Steve in Australia

>>108669612
Regardless of the outcome, it will make AMD's CPUs cheaper too. That said, the Core Ultra 200 refresh looked promising.

>>108669361
you're definitely one of them

>>108670282
>you can't disagree with me
>I'll call you a retard if you do

>>108670635
Hallmark of autism.

>>108653332
Those SKUs are for people that don't care about money. It's not a consideration for them, they just want max performance.

They're not for you. (or me)

>>108670820
>they just want max performance
Then why don't they *make* developers write good code.
Spoiler alert: money.

>>108669923
low IQ

>>108669923
>4k is a meme
I bet that you were born a genetic cripple and have to wear glasses to survive

Shitposting

>>108670833
Because indians can't code and the Jews that employ them want software deployed NOW.

>>108672355
>the Jews
You have over 30 years of Windows development out there. What exactly do the Jews need deployed that hasn't been deployed already?

>>108673304
Vaporware to bilk dumbfuck boomer execs mesmerized by buzzwords out of their money.

>>108653594
>A car having 7% faster top speed is usually 3-10x more expensive.
No it's not, one of the fastest production cars in the world, the model S plaid, cost about 100k and outruns just about everything.

Not sure if dumb or just yuropoorean

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>>108674427
The dumbass obviously knows jack shit about cars since people haven't cared about top speed for years now. A better metric would anything here (0-60 and 1/4 mile obviously won't scale linearly though), but note that while the ZR1X is ~3x the price of a base C8, it's also has 2.5x the HP as well.

>>108674427
AMG One shits all over the model S plaid actually.

>>108674260
Translation:
>nothing anyone with a brain would pay money for
So what do the Jews care?

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>>108674463
I would hope a car that costs 27x as much with <300 total being made would at minimum beat out a mass produced electric skateboard in every metric, but for everyday driving the AMG One would get assfucked from every single red light by the Tesla S Plaid, Lucid Air Sapphire, or even a Corevette ZR1X. The AMG One only gets ahead once you're approaching illegal speeds on the highway or if you're on a track. Thank you for confirming that you're an underage bus-riding yuropoor at least.

>>108653594
Value is subjective you fucking moron. A 7% increase isn't worth the markup

>>108656931
incorrect, amd does not not infact ship a 3d vcache version of zen 5 threadripper or epyc atm, so for these types of workloads , the 9950x3d2 is quite litterally the best possible cpu you can buy for anything that isn't capable of using more than 32 threads and benefits from the cache.

>>108653332
>AyyMDggers kept pestering AMD to put X3D on both chiplets
>AMD repeatedly told them it's pointless
>they don't even want to make it because of how pointless and expensive it is
>most modern software isn't even written to properly utilize multi core processing
>let alone massive L3 cache
>AyyMDggers couldn't shut the fuck up
>AMD makes it for them to finally see how pointless it is so that they can shut the fuck up
>AyyMDggers are suddenly butthurt that the overpriced pointless CPU AMD didn't want to make is in fact overpriced and pointless
>GN Steve most affected because Lisa definitely has a personal grudge against him yelling at clouds
The use case is for AMD to prove it's fanboys are the most retarded, insufferable cunts in the space, and they've succeeded.

>>108674745
>So what do the Jews care?
Because they coom when they trick goyim and make money at the same time? People are retarded. Doesn't mean society should allow them to fund jews.

>>108674997
>Because they coom
Citation needed.

>>108674760
>>108674463
>>108674427
>>108653594
>>108674446
who gives a fuck about top speed when 95% of your driving will have a max speed of 35 and the other 5% will max out at 75 or 85?

>>108674997
Stop engaging with trolls, tards, and bots.

>>108674870
Your bait is stinky and you need to go away.

>>108674870
>expensive it is
you realize amd has full control over the pricing right? unless you really believe slapping a 5th chiplet onto the 9950x3d really costs them $250 in material costs

>>108676108
It's a retard tax, you clearly haven't purchased anything high end before this is extremely typical. Remember the Nvidia Titans?