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I am now a fervent AI supporter.

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>MS IT management Degree
>MBA with concentration in cybersecurity

>>108667340
Wheres the previous thread man

>>108655708

>>108667233
How is waking up 4.30 am oversleep bro

>in office day
AHHHHHHHH

>>108667346
No smartphone no TikTok just a bunch of boys living in the moment

>>108667670
It was an emergency bake.

>>108667340
I rented one of these books from my local library.
I was filtered.

>>108667346
>Witness me!

every time i talk to you guys here about trying to find job in QA you guys always say "dont find job in QA!"

i have 11 months of manual QA experience mostly with just postman but that was back in march 2023 to feb 2024, and it was in a big national bank too.

and yet ever since july 2025 i have looked for around QA jobs, sent out around 350 applications and only got 21 take home tests and 4 interviews.

if i ditch QA and go back to webdev, what's going to change 6 months from now?

A dude I was talking to said he always calls the company after submitting an application (if he's actually interested in the job), which shows he's interested, not just some dude or bot spamming applications everywhere, and makes it very likely for him to get an interview. I told him I get the logic of what he's saying, but it sounds like he's living in some alternate reality if that actually works. Like telling a girl she's hot and thinking that'll make her like you. Yeah, that makes sense in my head. But I live in real life, where it doesn't work like that.
So I think that advice is retarded, but figured I'd ask you guys before completely discarding it.

>>108668388
Yeah sounds retarded to me

Why would I get user stories instead of functional/non functional requirements?

>>108668448
You break user stories down into requirements when they're added to a sprint's scope.

>>108668388
Maybe for small companies but good luck doing that at my megaglobocorp of 150k+ employees

90% of my job could be automated overnight if boomers weren't stupid and knew how to use tablets. And gave a shit about not running software from the early 2000s.

I'm so fucking sick of techjeet companies throwing the rest of their entire product catalog under the bus to shill for AI. Why is GCP so primitive? Why can't I reserve or queue for VMs if my region is full? I really have to sit there like cuck clicking Retry indefinitely? Why is clicking the "upload file" button in the storage buckets GUI literally 10,000x slower than the CLI command, even for individual file uploads? Why does this shitty company expect users to get a PhD in their API to do even routine tasks instead of using that $4 trillion market cap to actually add features to the products the users are paying for? My org is paying millions of USD for this. Where is all this money going? Some gay fucking AI assisted Google search that's fucking wrong half the time and just regurgitates the top search result 90% of the time?

I got asked what time I could have the final round of interviews, told them but they didn't answer and it has been 4 hours already?? What do I do???

>>108668351
Go to cyber security as an isso. You basically just check lists of vulnerabilities from automated scans and tell people to fix them. Basically QA with an extra cert or two.

Webdev is dead now that ai can shit out a website in half a second perfectly

>>108668611
Send a polite follow up saying that you're sorry they couldn't make it to your interview time and suggest a new time tomorrow and ask if they can make it then or if they have a time that would work better for their schedule

>>108667340
>>108668041
These books are massive wastes of time and honestly quite stupid. You can tell this has absolutely nothing to do with writing good code. Academicfags should be required to actually use their ideas to code up a game or something as a real working proof of being useful instead of being paid to waste everyone’s time on papers that just aren’t useful.

>>108667729
then who was phone?

>>108668388
Sometimes writing a "thank you" email after a successful interview can make HR like you more but in many cases it doesn't matter.

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>>108667729
>No smartphone
nigga it's filmed on a smartphone

CS career progression
>Year 1 - Junior Dev - $90k
>Year 2 - Dev - $130k
>Year 3 - Dev - $180k Fully Remote
>Year 4 - Senior Dev - $220k Fully Remote

Electrical Engineer career progression
>Year 1 - temp-to-hire contract worker, $60k no benefits, no PTO
>Year 2 - Junior Engineer - $70k
>Year 3 - Junior Engineer - $72k
>Year 4 - Junior Engineer - $75k

You know those dreams where something is chasing you and you are running in slow motion. That's an engineering career and the monster is inflation. If you want to make money and enjoy life stay with CS. If you want to be poor become an engineer.

What the fuck happened to TWG OP? These generals seem like they're made in bad faith now.

>>108668767
how do I know if it mattered?

>>108668662
are you working in cybersec right now?

i did a short 5 days comptia course back in december and i bailed out in 2 days because i was ungodly stupid. spent a lot money on it too around $580. i basically did no preparation and i found myself using my laptop with ubuntu as dual boot feels annoying. i did manage to install it but after i bail out of the course i wiped the ubuntu out of my laptop.

at the end of the next month after that course my mom approached me needing to make some kind of blogsite and i outright say "no, i cant." she was so pissed. i told her "we're gonna need cost for the domain" and so forth. that was at the end of the january and i still regret it.

maybe webdev looks dead to you but here govt jobs still needs webdev. guys who know how to use react and what not and im still gonna hold on to my chances. at least it's step upwards from QA and with webdev i can still collab with others/do gigs even though it's not direct employment

i still think webdev is still doable for me to learn compared to cybersec/sysadmin.

>>108668819
is the 90k junior dev job here right now?
how much did you actually got back in your first year?
if someone who has been unemployed here for so long read your post after they got an offer for 50k-60k, how would you think they feel?

https://youtu.be/WR1ydijTx5E?si=wb2ocQJuR8mTRcqV
is this guy full of shit or full of shit?

>>108668889
why are you people the way you are

>>108668889
not watching your video. buy an ad.

>>108668849
You don't. But in the grand scheme of things it's not all that much effort to do.

20% of the time my boss is lovely, personable, and dotes on me. The other 80% she is a raging cunt who is quick to make an example of me in front of others for asking a clarifying question then act like I'm the weird one when I don't trust her nοr want to be buddy-buddy with her.

>>108668970
sounds fun

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I keep reminding myself that I have a good salary and a 2-days-in-office job in one of the worst job markets of post WW2 history but fuck me if my bosses aren't fucking retarded and sociopathic. The funny thing is that they don't want to lose me as well because they can't seem to recruit anyone half decent that doesn't run away in under a month. We are like a divorced couple living in the same house because we have nothing better outside.

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>slacking off and over estimating tasks for years
>wonder how higher ups haven't realized yet
>see coworkers tasks
>clock 2 hours to change two lines of code
>another one spent 1.5h trying to figure out why http requests were firing twice (react running in dev mode)

>>108669032
I occupy a weird spot in my work place.
Of the two network Engineers I'm the junior and tend not to touch our data center a lot.
But I also handle pretty much all the telecoms, have more institutional knowledge than the help desk as a whole about how things work/why things were done, and also am known for basically doing on the spot "Hey go fix this" trips.
I'm basically the liaison between my team and the help desk while also covering the more annoying/less glamorous services.

>hand writing a CRUD app
>all the hoops and shit you have to go through just to process a single SQL query in Golang

jesus christ this is miserable

QA maids how are we holding up?

>>108669116
I'm most likely being promoted to test lead this year
expected salary bump is...8% (for 10% total this year)

>Apply to google
>limit of 3 applications per month
>their AI system autofilters duplicates
>portal shows you the status of your application
>either a recruiter reaches out to you in a week or you get declined
why cant literally every company do this?

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>>108668970
>she
Women are so funny as coworkers. If you’re not hideous and can make them laugh they’ll love you even if you burn the building down but fail to make a good first impression and they treat you like the autistic problem child

why is it that the smartest people I know consistently avoid positions of power or pure managerial roles?

>>108669183
sounds like they might know better

i hate when other teams do stupid shit and and ask us to accommodate their stupidity and then resent us when we point out they're stupid

>>108669150
So exactly like men act with pretty girls

>>108669183
Because when you enter management roles you get stuck in meetings all day and not doing the job you enjoy.

>>108669183
Smart people don't like meetings and that's all that managers do

>>108669150
A lot of the time when I was on the SDT, so long as you make it actively seem like you are attempting to help them and aren't 'arguing' its fine.
Granted, I work in a female leaning company as a whole (non-profit) so most people in it are in for the love of the game.
That being said, of the most cancerous employees I've had to deal with, a woman takes the top spot for being a bitch in HR that no-one liked on our IT team.

>>108669032
3 days in office and working at my own place here. It's not too bad, considering the market. Also the software is only used internally so no dealing with budget shit.

>>108668819
>CS career progression
I know first-hand that this is absolutely bullshit.

>>108668819
year 1 - unemployed
year 2 - unemployed
year 3 - line cook at mcdonalds, 40k a year

>>108669321
am I correct in assuming that nonprofits are extremely corrupt?

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bloobaths soon
i expect at least ~50% reductions across tech over the next 12 months

>>108668881
i see posts like that here all the time, way to often for it just to be a joke. my hypothesis is that all such posts are by jeets who are attempting to trick devs into turning down jobs by getting devs to have impossible-expectations about how much pay the can reasonably expect.

>>108669359
>be American working in tech
>get laid off
Do you guys even do anything other than solve leetcode in your free time?

>>108669352
Depends on them but mine isn't.
The higher ups are decently paid compared to floor workers buts because.
A. Pay is generally shit at a non-profit due to tight budgets.
B. The floor work at non-profits tends to be low skill, tedious jobs
The latter is true especially in the mental health ones.

What I more commonly see is you get people that have their hearts in the right place but who are not necessarily skilled and they end up advancing more due to seniority than actual merit.

Luckily our IT department has a decently sterling image and a department rep that knows how to play corporate politics so we tend to get left alone and are able to get by in lean times by putting off upgrades instead of cutting staff.
You also end up with the average employee that is a good deal less tech savvy on average due to their more advanced age

>>108669345
based on a mix of what I know and what older coworkers have told me software engineer comp is actually like this:
year 1 - $50k - $75k
year 2 - $55k - $80k
year 3 - $75k - $90k
year 4 - $80k - $95k
year 5 - $95k - $110k
year 6 - $100k - $115k
year 7 - $115k - $135k
year 8 - $115k - $135k
year 9 - $115k - $135k
year 10 - $115k - $135k
year 11 - $135k - $180k
year 12 - $135k - $180k
year 13 - $135k - $180k
year 14 - $135k - $180k
year 15 - $150k - $200k
year 16 - $150k - $200k
year 17 - $150k - $200k
year 18 - $150k - $200k
year 19 - $150k - $200k
year 20 - $150k - $200k
year 21+ $0k because you got laid off, your nerves are shot, and employers assume that you want too much money so you're done. GG.

I am in year 3 of my career and on my 3rd manager. The amount of churn 'n burn in a giant Fortune 200 company is shocking. Constant reorganizations, shuffling, management musical chairs. And every time a new manager comes in they're convinced they're going to save the world and it's like watching the same rerun over and over again, except all the work to make their superhero dream comes true falls on you. I feel like a cuck who just exists as a step stool for people trying to get promoted to director level.

>>108669150
imagine a black woman bumbled her way into a managers role, you might as well kill yourself, i was in that position and had to quit

>>108669446
this is pretty accurate if you don't cuck yourself with a government job

starting work in 2018, here is my story of a "software engineer" that does etl and analysis

>year 1 - 60k
>year 2 - 65k
>year 3 - 0 (neet time called)
>year 4 - 65k
>year 5 - 71k
>year 6 - 92k (job hop, w bonuses and shit)
>year 7 - 100k (w bonuses and shit)

>>108669335
People post their salary progression on /r/salary and it looks like that all the time. And you can't say they are lying because they are morally correct liberals who are on the right side of history.

Saw a job I thought I was an absolute slam dunk for last Friday and applied.
Almost a week and haven't even heard anything at all. I completely expected for them to call me Monday morning. I guess I am delusional.

I'm an old man (nearly 10 years of xp) trying to move to embedded/robotics/something different from full stack webdev, I have some "portfolio" work that I can show off, but I get zero answers for senior positions (I have no relevant experience) and zero answers for junior positions (I'm very obviously old)
I wouldn't even bother getting a junior dev salary (at least until I get my foot firmly in the door)
the next step is probably to start removing older employment from my cv to try to get a junior interview, but it feels like I'm deceiving them
I don't know. maybe I need to know someone who knows someone
on the other hand, in this economy, I'm not too motivated to jump out of a stable ship

>>108669735
dumb ass boomer

>>108669727
not delusional, maybe just a little bit too hopeful
that same job surely got over 100+ applicants and you're just one of them
that's why people say not to "put all of your eggs into one basket"

I'm a firm believer that IT professionals, especially those in Help Desk or Networking roles, need to lift weights.
The amount of shit you need to move or one hand (Printers, switches, etc) gets a lot easier when you do.

>>108669677
that's similar to mine, as someone who started fulltime corpo in 2019
I'm at $107K and will get a 2% annual raise actually within the next two weeks
thank you SO MUCH corpo for giving me that measly 2%, I fucking LOVE the raise not entirely covering my 3% annual rise in rent and the increasing cost of necessities

>>108669446
is this assuming you dont make it into fang

>>108669806
you still have it quite good dude
the provincial gov doesn't give raises
I feel bad for my mom.
One year they gave her a 1% raise lol
shes been making 55k for like 10 years at this point, maybe more.

>>108669824
why get rid of these old geniuses?
get rid of the newfags with <2yoe

>>108669878
oh right, those oldfags probably make 700k

>>108669878
Because you don't need boomers who understand the legacy codebase anymore now that AI like copilot exists, obviously.

>trying to learn python coming from a statically typed language
i want to blow my brains out

>>108669878
>competent
>expensive
>white
That's simply not what microsoft is looking for at the moment

>coworker talks about career stuff every single day
>bitches that he isn't getting paid enough
>bitches that he isn't moving up in the world
>refuses to update resume
>refuses to apply to jobs without a referral
>keeps talking to new people thinking they will magically give him something
Is this really the norm?

>>108667340
thats it ive had enough, its time to completely fabricate m resume with technologies ive self taught until i get interviews and bullshit my way into a job

no more mr nice guy

>>108670110
you will do nothing

>>108667346
Progressed to final interview at big tech. Product. EU.
I don’t want to work for a company though, want to start a business and have kids with my wife, but need money. So will be a wagie for a bit.

I got accepted into a post-master's certificate program at Johns Hopkins. Should I do it? Would be expensive but my employer would pay for part of it. The courses are pretty cool and specialized and directly relevant to my career. I can't find any other university offering something similar. I want to keep up my studies but can't really do a PhD while working.

https://ep.jhu.edu/programs/cybersecurity/courses/

>Get an email
>send it over to coworker saying "yeah looks good to me w/e"
>"quick chat?"
REALLY?

>>108670174
is it an Jeet-American?

>>108670201
no I'm korean.

>>108670214
you're your own co worker? do you get paid twice?

>>108670078
People who complain don't quit. People who don't say anything but are visibly resignated may quit at any moment.

>>108670214
Must be hell.

>>108670238
I give up with you schizos.
>>108670280
It's a quick chat for everything man.... I write a detailed email, quick chat. I write a simple yes/no or approval, quick chat.

>>108670327
>I give up with you schizos.
Wut? I asked about your coworker and then you share just your own nationality or ethnicity. I'm not the one not making sense.

>>108670340
You know what, that's on me. I'm fucking retarded and cooked. Nah, surprisingly my coworkers are all white and asians.

>>108669764
10 years of XP doesn't mean that he's a boomer, you dumb piece of shit.

>>108670362
Glad you get it now. Quick chat maybe?

>>108670382
GAHHHHHHHH

>>108669944
I can't even tell sarcasm anymore.

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How many οf you dread going to work each day?

>>108667346
not a single phone in sight. everyone just living in the moment.

>>108670214
hi Korea bro

>>108670446
I work from home and typically sleep until 11am. Then I dread whether there are messages asking where I am, but thats not too common

>>108670446
can't say that I do to be honest, it's an incredibly comfortable job even with all the jeets who dare exist in my presence

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>>108670446
>going to work

Got my haircut and got started on my fourth to last class. Now it's project time. You guys are my best friends but not for long.

>>108667340
Nobody reads these books btw. You buy them so they good look in your personal office.

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>>108667346
Still looking. The amount of ghost jobs is fucking insane. I'm being told I'm "not qualified" for entry/junior positions that I literally have 4+ years in every category.

>>108669878
There are only so many 750k positions at Microslop and the jeet CEO wants them for his ilk so he can farm izzat.

How do I tell my boss to give me context before the "quick call?"

>>108669824

Are they positively insane? Mounting calls that Windows is literally broken and nobody knows how to work on the underlying source code and their next move is to gut the remaining long time seniors? lmao

They are toast, it's worse than I thought

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>>108670667
The damage pajeet culture is doing to America is going to be felt for decades. Right now h1b's alone hold 800,000+ jobs that could go to Americans

>>108670669
Okay nevermind, new question - how do I not get fucking pissed the fuck off when my manager gives me some retarded task with a quick call?

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Fess up: Is this just /utwg/ engaging in a hostile takeover of the thread? This massive nosedive in quality with every single instance that doesn't have the proper OP absolutely reeks of intentional ruination. As if the linkedin screencap spam wasn't bad enough.

do you track your applications?

after 400 applications since july 2025 i figure out i should stop taking notes on every single application i sent out and only make notes when i get a test/interview

>>108670687
I got fired for AI. We were first told we were putting hiring on hold to funnel money into AI. And then we got a round of layoffs. The other guy fired with me caused everyone to freak out because he had a bunch of projects and services he supported that only he supported. And because they did the new "set up a call, have the call, disconnect them from the network in 1 hour" quick cold firing so there was no knowledge transfer. All his documents and notes just got deleted and no one knows how to support or fix anything he was on and they are just praying nothing breaks.

I told them in the exit interview, if you can even call it that, that we were creating a culture that there would be no senior devs. We had boomers at the company that had been software developers for 30+ years and they were invaluable because they knew so many things inside and out, and they were essentially cutting down every tree before it could grow tall.

But the two women on the call were literally the HR meme. They just stared at me all smiles like they were insane and said "That's the best part anon, you don't need to care anymore because this isn't your responsibility now! :)"

>>108670706
no because I would go fucking insane
I'm already insane so I might as well so good idea
>>108670733
what did your company do

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>>108670744
It sold furniture. And it fired half its software team managing its ERP and finance software the last two years to try and create its own AI.

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pool's closed
and it's getting smaller

>>108670695
please help im about to fucking snap

This project is absolutely NOT launching the start of May. New director is retarded and trying to whip a bunch of koolaid sippers to a pace they can't keep up with

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>>108670771
AI = Actually Indian

>>108670771

Kind of. This is something of a recalibration/correction phase. The tech giants are aging out and going through the typical death throes to appease the shareholders.

But I've noticed a serious surge in startups, entrepreneurship in tech too. So there is a wave of smaller businesses growing right now to eventually replace these dying trees. Software is software, it's used, it will be in demand, and if you are good at building it you will find your place.

>>108670600
I'm growing my hair long and only going to the hairdresser every 2-3 months these days. Fin already costs me so much and I'm not willing to pay even more money just for hair.

>>108670733
>That's the best part anon, you don't need to care anymore because this isn't your responsibility now! :)
They were right, why bother caríng whether the company goes down the drain or not. Just pray that the next wave of layoffs hits HR hard.

>>108670821
I fell for the "we're a family" meme because the company was full of people that had worked their whole lives there. But then the industry shit itself and decided high turnover is the way to go

Imagine building an actual efficient, productive, pragmatic business organization. There is no HR, there are no PMs/POs/Scrum masters yadda yadda yadda.

There are your engineers. Each engineer team has a lead that handles basic managerial tasks, feature planning, deployments. Everyone else just engineers. That lead has a boss that is a former engineer with the highest strategic acuity, who manages a room of leads. And then there is the CEO who directs all this. In the modern tech world engineers are expected to do literally everything so it's a natural segue.

Then the only additional hires you need are customer service and salesmen.

>>108670792
i think, unfortunately, software is about to experience what the arts have been going through for the last decade+.
modern tools make doing the thing accessible to more people, the product is worth less, the labour is worth less, and demand barely moves while supply continues to surge.
i think the only software companies that are safe now are the ones attached to frontier model labs.
whether smaller startups chip away at the big guys, or if the big guys downsize and are also able to massively diversify at the same time, is what's going to be interesting to watch.

>>108669837
your mom should have already gotten a diagonal promotion by finding a new job that pays more

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>boomer purge
based as fuck
stupid old pieces of shit hired all the jeets and now they're being kicked out by their golems

>>108670837
Companies are a lot like women. You play their stupid games until either one of you grows tired of the relationship. Don't fall for manipulation tactics from beings that lie as naturally as they breathe.

i NEED to fuck the junior marketing director holy shit

>>108670870
she's too chill for career optimizing
not schooling after highschool
totally different era, unlike today

10% of the tech field just being H1B's driving down wages is fucking insane

>>108670955
thats for tech as a whole
1/3 of software developers are now indian h1b1s

>>108670955
MIGA

>>108670973
youre gonna win so much, youre going to say mr trump... im tired of winning!

I do not understand this obsession with needing to be on site.

>>108670955
you voted for this

>>108670973
And that's only the jobs that stayed in the country
offshoring status?

>>108670955
Saar you don't understand Saar we need these Saar

>>108670118
yes i will fuck you

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>job posting wants my social security number

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did they fucking outsource even the hr

>>108671027
You people suck ass but you suck less than redditors and can easily be avoided unlike the people irl.

>>108671076
>You people
take your pointless commute time and shove it up your ass retard

>>108671054
just exit the application bro

going to study 5 hours everyday until i get an internship or my parents force me to apply at mcdonald's

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>at work
>stupid bitches stop around my office to gossip with other female coworkers about stupid bullshit like vacations or what x did or what happened to y
>this one project lead cunt spends minutes yapping into oblivion every meeting

>get home
>stupid bitch neighbor is out on the street yelling into her phone
kazakhstan sends its regards

>>108671114
The new dips for the Super Mario movie were super delicious. Do you know where McDonalds gets those from?

>>108671114
McDonalds only hires non English speaking Mexicans so u wont even get a job there btw

>>108669116
Today the jeets delivered us a product that didn't even compile

>>108671114
this is true btw >>108671142 having a cs degree or any prior experience in tech automatically bars you from low shit wagie jobs because they think you're going to quit in 3 months if you can find something better

>>108667346
I collect welfare from the state now. Ill start back job searching later, but for now im going to try to reach Challenger in League.

>>108671142
>>108671159
well good, that means more time to study for school and internships instead

I suspect I might be laid off tomorrow. completely based on gut feeling (my boss looked at me weird all day today).
Tbh I think it would be really nice if he did.

>>108671178
gl nigga i hit D2 peaker after playing since 2011..

D4 and D3 is so easy but once i hit D2 50 LP i started getting fucking raped lmao as soon as minions hit lane my laners all of a sudden became faker

>>108671152
how do these people have jobs man wtf

the only way to be skilled enough to compete is to code all day every day

>>108671199
jeets only hire jeets

>>108671189
I forgot to mention that he scheduled a 1:1 meeting with me tomorrow, which is the day they usually fire people.
on the other hand, I know he will fire one of my coworkers because he told me, so that could be it.

>>108668838
>>108670703
/twg/ has sucked for a while now. for whatever reason, someone is trying to destroy it.
can't blame the OP of this edition, though. no one bothered to bake.

>>108670893
>>boomer purge
they will replace them with jeets kek

>>108671490
Basically what America did to its auto industry and its manufacturing they will now do with software.

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>>108671490
based saar u starve to detha saar i am shit demon saar i put on planit to ruin all saar

>>108671512
there will be no middle class

>>108671068
the fuckable little hr ass they hired 6 months ago. She's already starting to get a loose ass. Better pound her pussy sooner rather than later.

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Anyone here who has tried their shot with (whatever position) at xAI?

>>108671490
I find it so funny that americans in /pol/ make so much noise about their "politics", yet you rarely see them talk about shit like this.

>>108671490
$5000/mo is some shit pay even after taxes. I make nearly double that.

>>108671639
The well-being of the American populace is political.

You seen me blog post a couple of times but I'm genuinely asking for advice here. I seem to be getting so pissed off that I go from 0-100 pretty quickly.
>Big AI project to streamline pipelines and increase optimization
>bigwigs hired a bunch of consulting companies to come up with a solution
>bigwigs signed off on solution
>look at solution with our internal IT team
>mfw it's all really high level "make believe magical land" of
>no technical floor or documentation at all. no mention of what tools we're even going to be using to use this.
>bigwigs are just shrugging and just going "that's why we pay you guys to figure it out"
>every week has been daily meetings with our internal IT team (yes btw) on what tool to use.
>bigwig boss for some reason has been making me demo out really fucking retarded solutions where we already agree it wouldn't work for our use case.
>for some reason these meetings ALWAYS have the business in it so they're constantly nitpicking on dead solutions.
>business keeps throwing out retarded shit that makes no sense and bigwig boss goes "Hmm, we'll just make a demo for this and let them weigh in"
I'm trying really hard to just turn brain off and do whatever but I'm so tired of getting stonewalled every time and the moment I do something, it's something actually useless and all I see are REALLY fucking retarded solutions getting thrown around when we should've had the consultants do this. I don't want to be involved with this because it's so retarded but because of the scope I'm going to have to be brought in.

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>company branch is ~60% white 40% hispanic
>corporate flies over the IT department from california for some conference or something
>6 of the brownest, most disgusting dalit ass shitjeets you could imagine
>and 1 chink
i need to fucking escape

>want to branch out beyond Desktop Tech
>completely unmotivated as no positions exist at entry level in my area
>internal hiring is a joke
There's the rare network engineer job that opens up, but they won't hire me fresh off some certs. How did you decide on a area of focus? Also, how do you bypass Indeed's phone verification? I've had an account for nearly a decade, I'm not giving them my phone number.

is hiring.cafe better than indeed?

>>108670837
>I fell for the "we're a family" meme
How are americans this retarded lmao? Unless you have equity, you're just an expendable cog in a machine.

>>108667340
Did Knuth ever finish TAoCP? I know he had some fascicles about 20 years ago.

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>>108672436
Atleast 4B is out, i think he and many writers are so old that any drive to finish becomes much harder to do. He might release all of them before he keels over on his death bed hopefully.
Planned
Volume 4C, 4D, ... Combinatorial algorithms (chapters 7 & 8 released in several subvolumes)[20]
Chapter 7 – Combinatorial searching (continued)[21]
Chapter 8 – Recursion
Volume 5 – Syntactic algorithms
Chapter 9 – Lexical scanning (also includes string search and data compression)
Chapter 10 – Parsing techniques
Volume 6 – The Theory of context-free languages[22]
Chapter 11 – Mathematical linguistics[23]
Volume 7 – Compiler techniques
Chapter 12 – Programming language translation[23]

>lunch break with female colleague
>she's on her phone
>"anon, why do all men suck?"
>"huh?"
>shows me her phone, she's on tinder
>starts showing me messages from guys
>wow ur melons amaze me sunshine
>shhhieeettt your boob look bigger than your head
>damn we should go swimming u wont sink with those
>just like 20 conversations starting with that
oh no imagine getting messages all day from people who want to have sex with you haha

>>108672516
the male equivalent is getting a dm from a woman asking you to buy her ubereats btw

>>108672531
I've messaged thousands of women and I've never seen that come up

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>why should we hire you?
>"well I heard through the grapevine that the last guy you guys hired for this role got a better offer and left after you spent 3 months training him, I'm desperate and risk averse so I won't do that"
genius or abhorrent dogshit?

>>108672560
the latter

>>108672516
indian claws wrote this post

>>108672516


I wouldn't like to be considered as a fuck toy too but your girl probably did suck a lot of dicks so she's already in the category of the "lets fuck and left".
Girl is litterally on Tinder she doesn't get hit by chad and that annoys her.

>>108671677
help

>>108672516
she's trying to sell herself as desirable
and she sees you as a harmless eunuch, so it's free validation

>>108671159
My parents never understand this
>"you're being picky!!! Look at all these jobs around!!!"
Non tech jobs doesnt bother to even reject me

>>108672959
*don't even bother to reject me

>try to look at anything on twitter
>half the replies are bots writing AI responses
what compels subhumans to shit up the internet?

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>>108671114
Anon other than studying for 4-5 hours everyday (preferable in the morning after breakfast and before lunch) i heavily suggest you to start collabing with someone you know from uni/anywhere else to make a project together. With the job market being so shite you can try making up discord bots together or maybe game project together or maybe try sell merch / youtube account. Expect not getting a job even after a year plus after your graduation. If you spent it all just studying and applying and doing take home tests and failing interviews without any activities for yourself like creative projects you will literally die.

I cant stress how important hobby project is while looking for jobs/being unemployed. On days / weeks you feel like you dont want to study/applying for job at least you must push yourself to do these side projects. When those hobby projects ended up giving you some cash to treat yourself it's better than feeling pressured to do mcdonalds or dishwashing.

>>108673119
>go to bucket of shit
>whadda heck, it's full of shit!
you're on TWITTER

>>108672814
>she sees you as a harmless eunuch

brutal shit man

>>108673130
it wasn't like this before muskrat bought it though

i dont wanna work anymore
but i feel like im sad because im not doing anything and being lazy at my job

could I apply to 200 jobs this weekend

It doesn’t seem to matter how well I fit the job posting, whether I’m overqualified, whether it’s a referral from my network, I get crickets.

>>108673224
u arent alone referrals mean basically nothing. If the person isnt high up and doesnt have serious power it is utterly pointless lol

might get u a quick 20 min phone screening if ur lucky but that's basically it

>Called for interview
>Good talk
>Pass the techinical 10/10
>Rejected
Oh boy I sure love interviewing

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what are the downsides of killing myself besides parents being temorarily sad

>>108669221
Oh no no no, moids in shambles

>>108673273
You wont be able to watch bleach at end of june this year. Cour 4. Tybw finale

>>108673273
Depends on how you do it

>>108673278
I only watch yaoi anime

>You have already applied for this position. Your application will be processed shortly
>check the dashboard
>applied on november 26th, 2025
>listing is still up
lmao

>>108673300
Oh hey I work there, want a referral?

so what do we do if we cant get a job? Like i get ghosted by best buy even and low tier jobs dont reply, entry level jobs dont reply and mid+ dont reply..

do i just download doordash and hope to not end up homeless

>>108673308
>homeless
Don't you have parents?

>>108673303
amazon?
yeah sure

Is Blind useful or a meme at this point? Got 1 yoe if it matters

>>108673314
yes but theyre threatening to kick me out. I had a job until last year.

>>108673335
Why would a parent kick their kid out? Are you trolling?

>>108673338
because white parents in the usa are boomers and therefor all psychopaths

>>108673359
Exactly, whites need to go and re-conquer India.

>>108673373
im hispanic (forma de white) tho

>>108673335
>>108673338
>>108673344
Not all
>t. 38yo
I'm getting married this year so it is probably time to fuck off though.

>>108673380
Portuguese or Spanish ancestry? The answer changes how you'll be conquering

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>wfh day
>send someone a message at 11am
>they respond at 7 in the evening

>>108673386
my 23andme says 85.6% spanish (andalusa, castille & leon, galicia)

>>108673391
Good man, that means you probably won't be fucking the natives and you'll be ceasing the backwards traditions of the locals and converting them to Catholicism

>>108673391
dios mio

I don't get it, why not make it so you can sell your role at a company to someone else?

Why are companies so willing to interview and not hire? Is that the true purpose of HR? Keep interviewing?

Some autistic anon didn't get that WFH day is our secret off day and was texting me early in the morning, how do you guys deal with colleagues who don't get social cues?

>>108673412
90 IQ post

>our secret off day
bro is in the office 4 days a week... :skull:

>>108673389
yeah so book a meeting you passive nerd

>>108673273
you won't see the ending of One Piece

>>108673422
Interviewing even when not hiring makes it easy to build a database of employment market information you can sell.

Do you guys lie about job experience on your resume?
I was thinking about listing I worked at some company that went out of business

anyone work at apple
their website is a mess, do I just need to spam out 50 applications and hope for an interview?

>>108668351
QA's going to be skimped as fuck on in this age until businesses start getting fucked by devs LGTM'ing their own code tests again. Good luck mate.

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>>108673468
no but I work at peach

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>>108673475

>>108673463
yeah I bet the recruiters have never heard of that genius idea before

>>108669183
I'm not going to be participating in constant pecker measuring contests with sociopaths, or taking the heat for levels of risk tolerance on par with the guy who fucked with the Demon Core. You start telling me to manage people doing skeevy shit? Fuck you, do it yourself.

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All day meeting tomorrow on a fucking Friday

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here's my resume, 24 yo:
>graduated high school in 2019 (no degree)
>startup A - 2019-2021
>startup B (this one had good backing, but failed) - 2022-2025
>mobile development (dart, python, js, flutter)

here's my plan:
>google fortune 500 in order
>send out 1000 applications
>wait 3 months
>job? yay!!!
>no job? manifesto time

>>108670772
Don't know the details of your particular retarded task. What I tend to do is write down whatever it is they are asking for, then schedule a follow-up. There's two angles you can then take.

One, it's super tarded, you write down the sordid implications to get it done exactly as specified. Leave out not one gory detail. Tell them you want in writing that you are approved to do this stupid shit. If it's retarded, and your manager isn't a retard, they usually relent at the follow up or take your gory detail to the next higher up. If they are a retard, they approve it. Sometimes in writing. You can now either do it, blowing shit up, or go to the next higher up for a sanity check if you're feeling spicy.

You cannot change shit from the inside. The higher you go, the less anyone is aware enough of the implementation details to avert a disaster. Be prepared for the dumbest shit you simply will not do, and try to have applications/job offers in hand by the time it looks like that stupid shit is coming down the pipe.

Best I got mate.

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>>108671127
my neighbor has two cop cars outside her house right now and the stupid bitch is still screaming lmao

>>108668709
>Donald Knute should’ve coded games instead
Gigaretard post

Nobody wants to hire me, any tips?

>>108673604
How big is your laptop storage size? How many remaining free space left?

>>108667346
I basically an interoperator between Claude and management and glorified QA. I don't know how long this arrangement can last.

>>108670600
How many classes per day

>>108673604
here's my resume
>had sex with your mother in 2019 (no condom)
>had sex with your mother 2019-2021
>had sex with your mother (this one had good backing, but failed) - 2022-2025
>mobile sex with your mother

I hate looking for jobs, but I hate my job even more, I swear I can't take it anymore

Wish me good luck, employed bros.
I'm going to wrestle my ownership back to my team.

>>108673273
You won't get to see Luffy find the One Piece.

>bored
>ask coworker whether he believes in ghosts
>"well see the problem here is we need to agree upon a definition of ghost. If we say 'earth-bound spirit' then God is technically a spirit, so are we including God?"
>no longer ask coworker about ghosts

>>108675030
get mogged nerd

Is /utwg/ kill? Where did you guys get your Jobs? LinkedIn looks like a turbo deadend. I can't work at this office anymore, faggot coworkers are almost certainly better than retarded faggot coworkers.

>>108673391
GOT ME A MOVIE AHAHA HO
SLICING OFF EYEBALLS AHAHA HO

>>108675102
most mentally stable unemployed tech worker

>>108675141
I don't think I wrote anything terribly unhinged, it's just a fact that tech has trooned out in the last decade+ and the office I work at sucks. On that note, I'm not unemployed, maybe underemployed might fit but I'm not sure I could cut it in a tech job anymore (but I KNOW other people who REALLY can't hack it are in anyways).

>>108675159
I bet you can't go one post without mentioning faggots, trannies, or similar

>>108675166
it's kind of topical, and I feel the words I used in my initial post illustrated my grievances exactly as I envision them. I'm sorry if that description rustles your jimmies though (not actually though in case the choice of phrase doesn't make it clear).

I got a QA offer that pays 30% more than my current role as a Senior SE, which I don't like. Would I be committing career suicide?

>>108675030
Your coworker is probably a D&D autist.

>>108675030
>Ask stupid question
>Get wise reply
>Whine
lol

>>108675030
>If we say 'earth-bound spirit' then God is technically a spirit, so are we including God?"

retarded atheist...
that have never been part of the definition of God ,people should read more before pulling out their retarded opinions seriously and it's not like this fucker can just ask google for definitio of god on google and check a wiki where he'll find different definitions through different philosophies/religions.

honestly most stem fags are really ignorant when it comes to humanities ,that's a shame.

>>108675599
god isn't real who cares

>>108675606

you're an ignorant , go take care of pigs that's your place.

>>108667340
Guys I've been in industry for 15 years. I've never seen the market this bad before.

I have suspected for a few weeks that the market is much worse than the powers that be are letting on.

Now I see in the news that Meta is laying off 10% of their staff. Microsoft and Oracle have also laid off thousands.

I have only ever worked as a Software Engineer for the past 15 years. I don't have another trade. I'm not sure what I will do here.

I just applied to third shift at a warehouse for min wage, and the guy was shocked that I wanted to work there.

I am taking care of my GF. She's got some health issues. This is the best I can do. I am out of options boys.

I even went 5 rounds with a cybersecurity company. It took a whole month. I even did a project for them. At the end, they just said "no" and confessed that they had "a lot of excellent applicants."

I can't deal with this shit and I don't know what to do.

Any words of encouragement would be appreciated anons.

>>108675802

you'll make it. Consider agriculture or trades ,being in closed environment without seeing the sun sucks ,they might be harsh with you but if you show you're not a faggot ,you're motivated your boss and coworkers will like it ,you're probably intelligent so you gonna catch up and ultimatly be better than the average paco.

You'll make it ,God grand to his good sons a hard path but at least he give a path.

You'll make it ,we're all gonna make it !!!

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It's my last day at this job today. What should I write in my farewell email to the entire engineering department?

Crazy how businesses are just full of people doing "whatever". Randoms doing their best effort, practically a mob. When will well-trained businesses finally happen?

>>108676074
Writing farewell emails is gay.

>underemployed and still searching for a tech job
I would not wish this hell on anyone

>>108668709
Absolutely niggerlicious

I think if I some reason leave my current job, I'm just gonna apply tο be a high school math teacher until I can find something better.

Spent this whole week laying in bed during day time
Cant sleep
Cant bring myself to study/do projects either

>>108675802
Concern troll post

I think the only other field as jeeted as ours is the Tim Hortons one.

I graduated with a CS degree about 6 months ago. I wasn’t very motivated to apply for software jobs at the time, so I took a service/operations management job at a small business. It pays about $50K/year.

The job is fine and low-stress, and since it’s 9–5 I have time to work on a side hustle that brings in about $40K/year.

The thing is, there is a big chance that I could land a $190K+ CS job if I seriously focused on applying and interview prep.

Now I’m torn between staying in this role and growing here, or pushing to re-enter the CS job market and try for software engineering.

Not really looking for advice just curious how others would think about this situation.

>>108676779
>The thing is, there is a big chance that I could land a $190K+ CS job if I seriously focused on applying and interview prep.
At best you get is 70-80. Don't kid yourself.

Whats the side hustle?

So does anyone know a software engineer/tech worker who has actually been laid off because of AI? Still don't know anyone personally who has.

>>108676074
have gpt write it and then everyone has to pretend you didnt have gpt obviously write it

>>108670861
Which one has the calls with customers, management and sales?
Good luck with your company.

>>108673631
It's this >>108671677

>you work with computers, right son?
>can you make me some laser welding software with nanometer tolerances in c++ for windows 7?
how do i explain to my dad that im a react monkey

>>108677130
why is this every big corporation

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What do I need to learn to be a real programmer. I know Python, SQL, I run my own home server, I can do cloud stuff. The quants still call me spreadsheet jockey though

>>108677184
Spreadsheet jockeys honestly might have better career prospects than "real programmers" nowadays

>>108673129
okay, thanks for the advice

>>108677218
Yes and no
Data scientist/data analyst jobs are also in a bloodbath

>>108677218
There's no fucking way these guys are getting paid like 200k to shuffle around a bunch of data to different API's

>>108673333
i browse the internal company posts when i'm taking a shit at the office
otherwise no

>>108675030
What God from any religion is an earth bound spirit? Guy is tarded.

Anyone having to deal with third party tools and internally seething because your leadership team wants to design solutions using these specific third party tools but they're not designed for it at all and jiggyrigging it to work just makes it into really bad architecture and design? It's frustrating too because we both know it's bad design and they always want us "meh demo it out anyways let me see how it looks" and I'm already screaming at them going like brother we know this is going to look like shit, why bother?

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Okay time to read about software quality assurance for a few hours then I can get back to work on the project.

I resent society for dumbing down all the standardized tests before I was born, making it harder for me to distinguish myself in school.

>>108677243
How many "real programmers" do you know who make $200k?

>>108677591
What projsct

>>108677584
For example, right now I have to fill 1000 data entry shit as a developer because they want to use this third party tool as the data warehouse which I told them multiple times it makes no fucking sense. I even gave them a solution that's significantly easier maintenance but they don't want to use it because it's not OOB. Could I use robotools to do it? Yeah maybe but getting sign off from IT will take fucking months and this has to go live next week. God, I hate data entry projects. How do I fucking cope?

>>108677288
sounds like you think its a meme you benchod

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>>108677667
>Not making 200k after 5yoe
Holy shit is it over.

>>108677812
i make 60 after 8 yoe

Claude helped me 10x my productivity. If before I was a 0.1x engineer, now I'm a 1x. Amazing

the point of applying to jobs is to degrade you
it is a systemic humiliation ritual that serves no other purpose
that is all

>>108675802
the job market was this bad from 2001-2006 and also in 1991-1993

>>108677858
This is why you must have other shit to do when you're unemployed
Grow a youtube channel
Sell merch
Paint
Make potteries
Run a bodega
Applying and waiting makes anyone go insane

Praise the Capability Maturity Model Integration! Death to ITIL heretics!!!!

I have a direct report that seems to be grumpier the more I talk to him. How do I get him to cut it off? I'll ask him for help on a project and then when I get it back, it's nothing what I envisioned so I end up having to re-do the whole thing. It's not that he's wrong or the work is bad but he completely interprets the stuff I send him into something completely else. I've told him to just do multiple reports/slides based on what he thinks the interpretation is to help and most of the time he'll still miss given 3-5 takes.
He always seems to be complaining about projects too but then I'll always see him go over and beyond on stuff that doesn't really matter. It would be one thing if these projects are successful but these projects end up getting cockblocked by leadership and then thrown in the bin.

How do I handle this?

>>108677918
>and then when I get it back, it's nothing what I envisioned
sounds like its a you explaining problem

>>108677868
If you're a white man you've never known a market that wasn't trying to reject you so that they could get their magical negro tech genius candidate that all the 90s teacher fantasy inner city Hollywood movies told them definitely existed.

It's just that it gets worse with the actual economy. People are complaining now because this is the first time the economy being bad affects people other than white men.

>>108677943
Well what do I do? I asked him for help on a powerpoint recently and he just copied most of my slides when I wanted him to do something completely else. For example, I've asked him if he could show a bunch of test cases for this specific example and he copied my high level examples and went from there but I wanted it more on the technology layer....

>>108677983
>but I wanted it more on the technology layer.
did you tell him that?

Im about to leave my job as a digital design engineer because i no longer want to live in texas. I dont have anything lined up, but i got money saved up and can live with parents for as long as i need to. Am i making a mistake?

>>108677991
No because it never occurred to me until he sent me his copy.

>mfw someone post on the company board
>"AI won't take your job but the person who knows how to use it might."
what the fuck where's the downvote button on this shit. what type of asshole posts that?