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Which is better for ergonomics?
>TKL or smaller where mouse is closer to a neutral position
>"ergonomic" keyboard with huge space in the middle, but mouse is farther out since it's as larger or larger than a regular 100%
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>Keyboard recommendation template:
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>Find vendors
https://www.alexotos.com/keyboard-vendor-list // Up-to-date list of reputable vendors with brief descriptions
https://keycaplendar.firebaseapp.com // Tracker for current and upcoming keycap group buys
>This keyboard stuff is so expensive!
https://aliexpress.com (or Taobao if you know how)
>Learn about MX-type switches ("mechanical keyboard switches")
https://rentry.org/mkg_switches // Introductory guide
https://www.theremingoat.com // Switch reviews
https://www.switchesdb.com // Compare force curves
>Split and non-standard layout resources
https://compare.splitkb.com
https://keyboard-design.com
>What does ______ do to a keyboard's sound?
https://blacksimon.tv/science (Google sheet)
>Practice typing
https://monkeytype.com
https://keybr.com
https://thetypingcat.com
https://play.typeracer.com
>How Cherry switches do backlighting, and why it's not ideal
https://rentry.org/mkg_backlight
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I want a 75% mechanical keyboard, priced $150 and below, with 2.4 GHz dongle wireless connection capability, ANSI layout. Regarding switches, I prefer tactile switches, but sound-wise I like creamy/thocky keyboards. If impossible, I'm willing to sacrifice the sound for tactile switches. Either way, I want a pre-built keyboard, and I want it to come with good tactile switches by default. What do you recommend to me?
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want:
>metal (aluminium, brass, or something else doesn't matter. just don't want cheap plastic)
>tkl
>hotswap
>via
>can be barebones or come with switches/keycaps
>wired is a must-have
>prefer if it doesn't have wireless, actually, so i dont have to deal with a battery
I found these:
>WOBKEY Crush80 Reboot Pro: $159-$169
>Evoworks Evo80: $169.99
>MK x WOBKEY Crush80 Reboot: $175
>Keychron Lemokey L4: $184.99 ($204.99 with switches/caps)
>Neo80 Cu (brass): $266.99
There were some others (MCHOSE GX87, Keychron Q3/Pro/Max) but they're either sold out or sold out of any decent color.
Should I just go with the evo80?
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absolutely based TKLChad general
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>>108667417
>HMX on CF
HMX on PC works too
sounds real good on the Glare
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mL90d-GArw
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>>108667399
The best for ergonomics, in the first place, is to not use a mouse.
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>>108667450
thanks. was leaning towards that already.
i have no idea how to decide between hmx azure and keygeek neo oat or why they require different plates
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>>108667478
>not full nylon
trash
>>108667489
get the oats
scroll down to the final conclusions here and you'll see
>https://www.theremingoat.com/blog/keygeek-oat-switch-review
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>>108667506
bone dry scratchy worn out Cherries only
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Kinesis saved my hands, I had extreme pain in my wrists, nothing helped. Then I switched it in desperate attempt to do something and after two weeks of typing exclusively on it pain was gone. I now type on Ergodox which uses the same principle, but has a much nicer programmability. If you have wrist pain / tendonitis, try one of those keyboards (but you must switch to cold turkey and not fallback to typing on regular keyboards).
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MX users are slutty cougar appreciators
no I don't want a nubile young thing that's prelubed
give me a slut that's been actuated 1.2 million times
fuck yeah cuck me baby I love that scrrratch
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>>108667522
75% with tri-mode under $150 and prebuilt? Uh, no, probably not. If you wanted a better board for around that price that wasn't prebuilt, I would say neo75 (not cu). That would be my first choice, personally.
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>>108667399
Ergonomic keyboard with huge space in the middle and you put the mouse in the middle, duh
>>108667494
Thumb trackballs is how people without RSI in the thumb get RSI in their thumb. Normal finger trackballs should be perfectly usable with thumb RSI
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>>108667770
they’re split and angled to relieve tension on your wrists but basically still ansi. the benefit over columnar is that they take like 20 minutes to get used to compared to weeks but they don’t have the full ergonomic benefits
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>>108667792
Oh yeah, I have those too, but they don't actually help with the pain, they're just convenient to hold and use one while I'm on the couch. You wanna get rid of pain, you need a split columnar one. Yes, it took me two weeks to get used to it, but it's worth if you have severe pain and can't type anyway.
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>>108667794
They are but the problem is there aren’t really many custom HE boards because of the market overlap with gaymers, so they’re mostly all prebuilt. Even more premium HE boards like kafka only came prebuilt for the HE version
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>zero metal to metal contact
Nuxros is such a scrub
he should learn from Geon
the Glare doesn't need foam strips all over the place
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>>108668143
you telling me you wouldn't let picrel pay you enough for your endgame board?
all he'd do to you is give blowies
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>>108667399
I have an advantage2 and I really like it. It took a few weeks to really get used to Enter/Space on the thumb cluster. This keyboard somewhat promotes using both shift keys, which is weird for some people (like when pressing +). For games you'll probably want to rebind to ESDF instead of WASD, and backspace for spacebar actions. Arrow keys are similarly unwieldy so I just reprogrammed them as super keys. If you use a window manager that uses super key bindings, you may want to do the same. Swapping escape and caps lock is a good idea always. As an Emacs user, I wish the Alt key were in a more neutral position, but that might not be an issue for someone with larger hands. Rebinding is also an option. The hard palm rest can be uncomfortable, but these come with optional adhesive pads.
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Well it arrived
Been using it for around 2-3 hours this morning and I really like it.
The click is a bit weird feeling at first, but I quickly got used to it, especially when i turned it up from the default medium click level to a heavier click.
Now I have a nice heavy click with almost no sound. Exactly what I was looking for.
Only time will tell how this shit holds up, but for now i'm happy enough.
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>>108668964
rd75 and wave75 are exactly the same, get the one that's cheaper unless you really just want the extra case foams the wave75 comes with
evo75 uses more premium materials and has a butterfly leaf spring mount to give your typing a bouncier feel. It's also more expensive.
It depends on whether you think the features on the evo75 are worth it but generically evo75 > rd75 >= wave75
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for everything else, there's G*ON
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I intend on putting switch films on the Lekkers and spring swapping. Is it worth relubing them? Should I frankenswitch the Lekker stems (4mm travel) into Akko Glare?
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which color?
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>>108669953
top tier
>2 (white/cyan, goes well with everything)
high tier
>1 (black/cyan)
>6 (white/orange, not a huge fan of the orange, but it's just on the back)
good with the right keycaps tier
>4 (brown), 5 (red), 7 (noctua), 10 (light blue)
meh tier
>8 (yellow)
low tier
>3 (purple)
not helping the stereotypes tier
>9 (pink)
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>Geon board
>owner looks femme
no surprise there
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holy fuck!
naked Aluminium 6063!
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>>108670596
good, do it
this hobby's all about experiencing things
then you know what you really appreciate and what you've acquired a taste for
>>108670591
they don't compete like the new breed
Keychron has a design and a way of operating now
it's too late to change course and become something else
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holy fuck!
industrial Baionlenja!
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we walk different paths on this journey
we all arrive at the same destination
lubed + filmed + spring swapped
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fuck me
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>>108667547
If you want something with curved keywells and fully programmable I could make you a dactyl. I used to have an ergodox myself & I find the dactyl to be a much more comfortable board.
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Anyone know any cherry/ oem keys that dont feel like shit? These things feel so cheap. Then again, they were $20. Someone know something with more quality? I don't like how the surface feels and I think the edges are too sharp? I don't know how to explain it.
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>>108671636
https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/products/tai-hao-128-key-abs-double-sh ot-cubic-keycap-set-white-bow
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>>108672102
well shit
>https://www.deskhero.ca/products/gmk-mudbeam-extras
>https://novelkeys.com/products/gmk-cyl-mars-cadet-keycaps?variant=461 96655194279
>https://www.deskhero.ca/products/gmk-metropolis-2-in-stock-extras
>https://omnitype.com/products/gmk-dmg-3-keycap-set
>https://omnitype.com/products/gmk-redline-keycap-set
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for me, it's Blacks on Alu (half-plate)
love to see the bare skin between it and the PCB
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I have a keyboard with a warped case. I can still type on it, just that it tilts if I don't have it at a certain angle with a corner hanging off my desk; it doesn't sit flat, especially not on its feet. How can I fix it? I assume it depends on the material used in the keyboard. I'm pretty sure it's ABS since it has very faint yellowing.
I can't remember if it arrived that way, or if it warped when I went full retard and used too much hot water when cleaning it.
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>>108673076
I'll show you subtle.
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>>108673076
I'll show you subtle
https://kbdfans.com/products/holy80-case?variant=43427582378123
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>>108673465
I don't know, man. I got a gmk set on sale for like 50 bucks and I still don't see what the big deal is. I value the profile more than the quality of the keycaps themselves and cherry profile fucking sucks.
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>>108671282
OG Carbon was so good with the orange R1 caps
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>>108673027
These >>108671930 but it's only $18
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now it's this soulless garbage
can't have any personality anymore
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>>108673501
Render
>>108673508
What the colors always actually looked like when printed
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you can see the real thing here >>108671282
>>108673496
lucky you
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>>108673508
>>108673513 is right
pic is how the R1 looks irl
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>>108667547
having tried both a kinesis classic (same chassis as advantage but older firmware) and a glove80, the glove80 blows the kinesis out of the water. keywell, thumb cluster, keycaps, keyswitches, adjustability, build quality, all are better on the glove80.
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>>108673800
>$50 is the max I would ever pay for a set.
https://cannonkeys.com/collections/clearance
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>>108673839
I've never tried NicePBT but I got a set of CannonCaps last december with a bundle. They're smooth, not textured if that's what you're asking. The thickness is good. They're not amazing but they're better than shit off amazon. I'm just not a fan of cherry profile in general.
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>>108673924
just bought the cannoncaps cxa profile keycaps. 80 bucks but wth, I got fuck you money.
also got these
>>108671930
Cause Im obsessed with keycaps
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>>108673932
Because they are maximum chinky with no quality control for normgroids. When you really get into this hobby, you start to get autistic about smaller and smaller details and your standards get higher.
If you're this guy >>108671636 maybe look into DCS profile or something for less sharp keys. I don't know where you'd get a DCS set under $50 though. The cherry ones I linked are already clearance prices. And if you had more money than sense, I would recommend MTNU.
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>>108667399
where is the copilot button?
But in all seriousness, keyboard needs a numpad to be functional.
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>>108674470
>CoPilot button
You mean the Win+Shift+F23 macro button? Here, you can reprogram any key to that or just, you know, press that yourself. :^)
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/g/ How can i use keyboard, when i've got no fingers.
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>>108675559
But I want my f keys free for other stuff
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What are some decent options for wireless keyboards? I mean having something to whip out to web browse and type whenever you don't want to cause a headache to everyone around you. I've heard that MX Keys, much like anything Logitech makes nowadays, is overpriced and has shit quality so idk. Would match my MX Master 3S but eh.
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>>108675832
I use the numpad daily for work as well as for a lot of older rpg games that are 1st person or top down view n a grid (think rpgmaker-like games) that virtually demand a numpad to move around or to navigate menus in games that were pre or early post mouse development.
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>>108676187
I also have hands-on experience with Logitech's attention to quality with my G502 HERO. Or the MX Master 3S not having a wired mode despite having a USB-C connector. Or their software always being dogshit. So maybe there are better options.
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cycle7 here. playing around to make LGui+4 work, its supposed to be like alt + f4 since this keyboard lacks f-keys. for some god damn reason f4 doesnt work. holding LT 1 button down + pressing literally ANY of the number keys works as an alternative way to press f keys just not f4. I can refresh pages with LT 1 + 5 for example just not LT 1 + 4. They 4 key works properably since I used it in this text alone several times. is there some kind of fucked up trick? I dont want to use macros I want it to properly work, no work arounds please.
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Mechanical keyboards have reached their peak. The only thing that differentiates a keyboard above $150 from its cheaper alternatives is a metal bottom plate or a metal weight, which is like the most artificial and easiest way to make something more expensive. Not to mention switches are super cheap and great all around.
There are only 2 ways to make keyboards better, one is to evolve the form factor, which is what you're seeing with ergo boards becoming more popular. The other is to create a new switch form factor outside of cherry MX, which for some reason I've only seen gamer brands try, and every attempt has been shit.
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>>108676986
That's not 100%
That's an 1800
100% is full sized, including the right side.
1800 uses a condensed right side, usually giving a shortened shift key among others.
96% is even more condensed.
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>>108676876
cope and seethe
Geon destroyed every gasket and top mount board from the competition
before Geon we suffered from creamy thoccy choccy floppy cocky foamshit from crap like Mr. Suit or overpriced crap from TGR and Keycult
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we RVTURNED to Cherry and switch modding
we embraced pure design that doesn't get carried by endless sheets of foam
we embraced clean clacks over muddy thocks
we embraced the perfect unity of form and function <$500
we embraced user friendly design with no fear of running out of spare plates or PCBs or proprietary Chinee bullshit
we embraced the SCRATCH
you don't have to argue the point, the free market speaks for itself
and it speaks the same no matter where you are
HALLELUJAH
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spot the issue
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>>108677816
>bait
nah im putting in some uhmwpe stems and 20g 24mm springs my nigga. praise tai-hao
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>respect the keycap designers bro
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>>108677080
*fucks your whole shit up*
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>>108678810
that's got nothing on this bad bitch
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>let's move the F row and cut down the nav row and turn the top bezel into a pen holder
AKB is literally the worst
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cringe
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she's a beauty
you'll always be remembered
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>>108680790
Diatec, the company behind the Filco brand, has shut down.
https://gigazine.net/gsc_news/en/20260424-filco-diatec
However, I think Majestouch keyboards were manufactured by OEM Costar in Taiwan. I wonder if they will be still be sold, either by another brand or by Costar themselves, just like Fostex (original Japanese OEM for Denon headphones) started selling the old Denon headphones when the latter switched OEM to some shitty Chinese manufacturer.
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holy fuck!
10u!
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fucking hell
BAE in Dolch!
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>meet a seller off mechmarket for the Glare
>wear something cute and actuate his MX Black
>get $300 off his asking price
never pay the list price anons
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Lichicx raw silent big bumps feel so good in a stiff plastic case.
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>no prnt screen
Yuck
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