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I'm a long time Arch user. I just got a new laptop and I'm looking to make a clean break from Arch and Systemd, which are both obviously compromised based on their eager capitulation to the new age verification (digital ID) crap being pushed. I am not interested in a philosophical debate, I just want some practical advise from people who have been using Artix for a while. Does it give you issues? Do things break more than on Arch? What are the pros and cons of the various init systems it lets you choose from? Should I consider a different distro altogether? Thank you
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>>108673086
Artix is literal dog shit. It is like it was thrown together by some high school kid on the weekend. It's trash.
The only Indie distro any white man should use is Void. Everything else is for for women, browns, and trannies.
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>>108673086
you should probably stop falling for /g/schizo shitposting and stick with Arch since you know it well. unless you have nothing better to do, in which Artix will require you to forget most of what you know since it's a hacked together mess of an Arch fork and Void will need to you to do a lot of shit you simply took for granted in Arch, but will probably be your best bet if you want to move away. you don't (((CURRENTLY))) have a lot to gain from moving of systemd, and by the time it actually becomes irredeemable dogshit there will hopefully be better options to pick from.
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>>108673872
they have made no moves towards age verification and no part of Arch inherently uses systemd-userdb, which is where the "age verification" PR merged into systemd that you have most likely seen. again, stop falling for reactionary /g/ shitposting, you'll be fine.
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>>108673949
No they just censor any discussion of age verification on the forums and even tell the arch linux subreddit jannies to censor discussion of it. Bro it's fucking obvious which way the wind is blowing. You cannot gaslight me about this. Shut the fuck up and die.
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>>108673972
they were deleting threads because 9+ different retards were making threads constantly instead of just chiming in on the main megathread, and the screenshot you saw of
>the arch linux subreddit jannies to censor discussion of it
was literally because on OP was literally telling people to go after some random contributor and it got blown out of proportion into a witch-hunt. also the subreddit is not even a fucking official channel of discussion for Arch.
stop. falling. for. /g/. shitposting. I imagine you saw this either in /g/ or some Lunduke-adjacent post so both count. use your fucking head for once if you're gonna use Linux as a stance against corpo takeover and care about the shit that actually matters.
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>>108673086
Guix. You can configure your whole system in a file , a scheme program. You can use the module system to duplicate configs for all your similar but slightly different machines. Another file to configure your whole home config. Its the only good Linux distribution. Fact that it uses shepherd is icing on the cake.
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>>108674163
You can tell it's working because Artix's live ISOs come with preinstalled with a browser that opens up their distrowatch page and they've jumped up like 10 positions in the last two months. Just something to notice.
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>>108674163
No you fucking numskull retard, it's because I haven't personally had any issue with systemd until now, when they've IMMEDIATELY and EAGERLY capitulated to the tyrannical ID verification "laws" by laying the groundwork for ID verification functionality in Linux, starting with an age field being stored in userdb. I fucking hate autistic people because you idiots just say "erm but it's optional right now", completely fucking incapable of seeing the bigger picture.
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>>108674238
>it's because I haven't personally had any issue with systemd until now
what personal issue do you have right now? the problems with systemd have already been present on your system for years, but this age update isn't even on released yet i believe. nothing changed on your computer, but you still choose to start yelling about something
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>>108674253
I just fucking explained the personal issue I have you dumb fucking autistic nigger. The age field PR was already merged into systemd. Systemd's leadership has signaled that they will comply with this tyrannical shit.
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>>108674276
calm down. systemd has always been tyrannical by trying to kick out alternative software and merging everything into one big mess. you're just angry because you didn't listen to the schizos 5 years ago
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>>108673299
what's going on with arch? i hadn't heard about this yet.
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>>108674238
Your upset over an optional date field which can be populated with any date, or left entiely unfilled, placed in userdb, along other fileds for user information. Without it, software which intends to condict age attestation would just store that information somewhere else on your drive anyway. This change to systemd doesn't actually cange anything in relation to age attestation or verification, apart from maybe changing where other pieces of software stores user information. You're just participating in the mass delusions in relation to the birthDate field because you want to feel upset. I don't feel upset over systemd because I value my time and happiness.
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>>108674746
>erm but it's optional right now
you retards literally do what he calls you out for right away, fucking kek
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>>108673858
Void is official BLM and LGBT supporter. Checked Artix and Artix is officially against these. Weird how you shills have to be so obsessed about this.
https://desuarchive.org/g/search/text/void%20blm/
https://desuarchive.org/g/search/text/void%20lgbt/
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>>108673086
who has time for arch, fucking hell, i have zero patience, you retards are same ones who buy so called mini keyboards without numpads, seek help, you are all the same, reinstalling arch every month because you accidentally installed an extra package and now your system doesnt boot, make sure to recompile it from binary so its extra extra clean
just get ubuntu clowns
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>>108674124
Guix's code of conduct (image) looks interesting. I keep using Artix.
https://codeberg.org/guix/guix/raw/branch/master/CODE-OF-CONDUCT
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>>108674746
From a threat-modeling perspective, you are profoundly failing to grasp the systemic vulnerability of an "optional" date field. In enterprise security architecture, "optional" is a linguistic zero-day designed to normalize data ingestion; it is a Trojan horse bypassing user consent protocols. Today it is a simple `birthDate` string localized in `userdb`. Tomorrow, the systemd schema will cryptographically bind that temporal anchor to your biometric hash, your genetic lineage, and your financial metadata directly into the PID 1 singleton.
You naively believe leaving it "unfilled" provides null-safety. In a zero-trust environment, an empty field is not a defense, it is an undefined attack surface waiting for a future background daemon to silently populate it via a forced OTA update. By centralizing user telemetry directly into the init system, the absolute lowest level of the kernel userspace, systemd is laying the cryptographic groundwork for a universal identity attestation protocol.
This change fundamentally alters the threat landscape. It is not just changing where data is stored; it is consolidating the exfiltration pipeline into a homogenous, remotely enumerable mesh. You are participating in the mass delusion of "incrementalism," completely blind to the dependency graph. By the time the public realizes this field is being cross-referenced with `systemd-resolved` DNS logs and `systemd-homed` encrypted vaults for mandatory age verification, the lock-in will be absolute. The architectural coupling will be so deep that migrating the global Linux infrastructure to a non-compromised init system will be mathematically and functionally impossible.
I don't just feel "upset" over systemd; I am treating this as a critical severity CVE against the future of digital anonymity. I value my operational security, and I understand that a single optional metadata field in PID 1 is the kill switch for human privacy.
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>>108675067
Nice to see that you support BLM >>108674885 and you like that your distro is official LGBT supporter >>108675020
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>>108675093
I'm sure everyone will switch to Artix and that will somehow win the legal battle. Have fun being a computer revolutionary, I guess. They're just going to accuse you of helping kids watch porn, and you'll basically have just helped them poison the well by doing something entirely ineffectual in regards to the actual problem, which is the legal battle.
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>>108675093
Like, no matter how hard anyone tries, the most that will be accomplished is that a vocal minority of 3 percent of the desktop computer marketshare will be running an operating system that can no longer connect to most websites.
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>>108673276
Same as this guy. Been using artix with runit for like 5 years and it's indistinguishable from arch. Just gotta install *-runit packages along with any package that includes a system service. Very rarely you'll have to make your own custom service which is not hard but can take a little while if you don't do it often. Sometimes the respective *-runit package will be in the aur
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>>108676116
Because I don't feel happy using Windows (weird changes with each update, ads, generally not liking the UI, etc), and Windows is slow on my machine. I don't use Windows because I value my time and happiness. If using Windows is faster for you and would make you happier, you should use Windows. For me, installing a Linux OS uses less of my time I would have otherwise spent changing Windows and waiting for basic functionality to load.
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>>108674922
It's a text field you're upset over. There isn't even the start of a mechnism which restricts your machine from within systemd. You're evading the fact that the existence of that field doesn't actually at all change whether or not software would try to age-gate users. Are you being delibrately obtuse or are you genuinely retarded?
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>>108673086
Ignore all the shills in the thread OP. Artix is literally Arch but without systemd, so if you're fine with Arch you will also be fine with Artix. I've been using it since last summer on my work laptop and never had a problem. I update it once a month (after reading both Arch and Artix news page) and everything works flawlessly.
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>>108675093
>Today it is a simple `birthDate` string localized in `userdb`. Tomorrow, the systemd schema will cryptographically bind that temporal anchor to your biometric hash, your genetic lineage, and your financial metadata directly into the PID 1 singleton.
Schitzophrenic sepctulation doesn't at all align with anything at all tangable. No one working on systemd could be assed doing any of that. By contrast, userdb already existed and already stored user information. We are talking able one (1) field being added to that.
>it is an undefined attack surface waiting for a future background daemon to silently populate it via a forced OTA update.
By that definition, every unwritten bit on your drive is an undefined attack surface. Also, we are talking about free and open source software which anyone could modify and compile. There is nothing in the current version of systemd which would force users to migrate to future versions even if those mentally ill spectulations were to actualise (they won't).
>It is not just changing where data is stored; it is consolidating the exfiltration pipeline into a homogenous, remotely enumerable mesh.
"It's not just X, it's Y" I've been tying in response to AI generated slop, haven't I? The entire post is an AI hallucination.
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>>108676716
You have to be retarded. There's no other way you could have written that seriously unless you have Down's Syndrome.
The point is that maintainers and devs have the power to do whatever they want without any oversight or accountability. They can add or remove anything and the community at large has no say, no recourse, no way to effectively push back other than moving away from corporate shit like systemd and wayland completely
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>>108676807
>Hey I like this distro!
>I think I'll pick and choose what I want installed
>Ohhh I'm not allowed, I can only have Wayland, gnome, and systemd?
>Ok whatever as long as I can vidya
>Hmmm they're forcing me to add my id?
>Ok I'll just change the init
>Ohh wait I can't
>But I have massive amounts of data, configs, settings.
>Just move to another distro
>B-but they all force systemd now
Hmmmm
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>>108676990
Not really. You'd have to actually really know what you're doing, which 99% of /g/ can't even handle a Hello World script. You'd panic your kernel and need a full reinstall. Systemd is like a cancer, once it's in, your best recourse is just to reinstall with a different init.
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>>108677263
removing system from any distro is really easy, just fork the repos, disable all systemd flags in the build scripts, replace systemd packages with your init of choice, replace systemd service files, install a systemd-tmpfiles and systemd-sysusers replacement and for stuborn packages that have a hard dependency on systemd just use AI to make patches if you're laz/nocoder. Doing it for Arch is extremely easy since https://archlinux.org/packages/ is so well made and PKGBUILDS are very easy to understand.
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>>108673086
I also switched for those reasons. I have been using it for a month now and it's just like arch. Except some packages in repos, but you can include the arch ones, which I did. I ran arch with a full local mirror setup so i never have to update, and this works now too. I have problems with nvidia gpus (Thinkpad P52 - P2000 - 580xx-dkms), it will die in suspend. But on my intel uhd all works well, even xlibre.
It is sad that arch had to go this way, i do see artix as superior in every way and I should have installed it earlier.
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what’s preventing me from just running a older distro of Linux and updating my packages and drivers every once in a while? I don’t really need the newest bing bing wahoo stuff, and there’s people still able to use windows XP/Vista since it just werks(tm) even if they’re 20 years out of date and “compromised”.
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>>108673110
Linus is an open communist so seeing chuds say this is so funny
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>>108678354
well this might be out of your range, but i run my own system, i wrote a package manager and archived all sources that I need, I only ever update if i see that some software has a good new functionality, otherwise i run vintage software, I still run dwm from ~2012 and my kernel is a few years old. I wrote a web browser mostly from parts, i took firefox' engine for rendering, stripped a lot of junk out and my system works just fine for all these years, yeah i have to manually install everything and add it to my package manager but it's a dream choice. I tried arch linux 2 years ago and it was very slow, on my system i don't even see an init system loading up. If there is another way to do this smoothly I don't recommend it because you will need to manually maintain it, most likely with sources when something fails.
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>>108678613
Communism != Transgenderism regardless of what you want to be true.
Linus is a millionaire, do you really think he wants to become impoverished and have his dick cut off? Seems pretty happy being a toxic male "chud" that you troons have tried to cancel multiple times.
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This board is so absolutely fucked. The amount of short sighted retardation defending steps toward the obliteration of anonymity in this thread is truly astounding. Linux distros could start including mandatory government ID scanning and 3D AI face scanning and 3rd party verification by an Israeli company tomorrow, and you faggots would unironically, without a shred of self awareness, say shit like “how does this affect you personally?”
How did it get this fucking bad? Is it like this because Valve introduced Linux to gaymers?
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>>108679431
The US congress is about to pass a bill which makes identity verification legally mandatory for all operating systems. Yeah I’m catastrophizing because we are in the middle of a fucking catastrophe you goddamn retard
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>>108679557
A few OSes have the balls to not comply with this unconstitutional surveillance. Anything that uses systemd is gonna inherit compliance by default. That’s why I’m changing my OS. It’s very simple to understand, retard.
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>>108673086
>Systemd, which are both obviously compromised based on their eager capitulation to the new age verification (digital ID) crap being pushed
that's a lie but i will not argue with you.
>I just want some practical advise from people who have been using Artix for a while.
don't use it.
>Does it give you issues?
yes. it's a sloppy distro put together by a few chronically online retards in a short time (it seems like). a lot of packages nowadays depend on systemd. and you will have to rely on the devs patching the original packages or providing some extra compatibility layer package to make the packages work with other init systems.
>What are the pros and cons of the various init systems it lets you choose from?
there are no pros to any init system. it just starts your processes. but systemd is not an init system it's a suite of system utilities for Linux that do much more than starting your services and managing them. it contains a bootloader, ntp daeomn, resolver, timers/crons, home and user manager, seat and session manager etc... you are free to use the parts you want and leave out the parts you don't. even Artix uses elogind and eudev which are just forks of the logind and udev maintained by gentoo people i guess and patched to work without the rest of systemd.
>Should I consider a different distro altogether?
if you are truly interested in a non systemd distro. try void or gentoo. gentoo now supports binary packages so you can put together your system without the need for compiling your whole system from source.
I prefer to stay away from all chud protestware. aka forks that only exist as a protest against some mainstream project. like duvuan and artix (sneedacity etc...). they are meme projects and usually either fail or fall into irrelevancy very quick.
Gentoo and Void (and Alpine) are not forks or protestware. they are their own projects built from scratch and trying to be something different. and Gentoo is not opinionated. which i respect.
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>>108679377
>How did it get this fucking bad
glowies and a mass campaign to demoralize any place on the internet which has free speech and no need for gov id linked accounts
its why all open forums and shit gets flooded by cp(by the glowies)
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>>108679377
Most "users" here who shill systemd, AI and the rest of globohomo software are bots. You have a few that always reply with the same images no matter what time of day it is. Somehow they never sleep hmm
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>>108679795
I've heard that Gentoo is pretty clearly compromised by corporate interests these days though
https://cy-x.net/topic/linux-as-a-whole-is-compromised/601
And it's no secret that Void supports BLM and has a code of conduct
https://github.com/void-rs/void/blob/main/code-of-conduct.md
Not saying that the creators of my OS need to 100% agree with me politically, but this kind of CoC is what enables projects like systemd to silence dissent when they enact bullshit like laying the groundwork for identity verification etc. They classify civil criticism as harassment.
You write off Artix and Devuan as "chud protestware", but from where I'm standing that seems like a good thing, as such projects taking a hard and clear stance against the kind of culture which plagues mainstream projects and has led to the current issue which is making me need to switch.
>that's a lie but i will not argue with you.
Since you deny that the age/identity verification thing is even an issue, I don't expect you to understand where I'm coming from here. I'm not interested in arguing about it either, but for that and the specific issues with Gentoo and Void listed above, I don't really trust your judgement.
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>>108680420
I'm OP, I made the thread because I'm looking for recommendations myself. I'm leaning toward Artix OpenRC. People are saying that it works well outside of having to substitute a few systemd packages for their OpenRC equivalents, no big deal. The biggest FUD about it seems to be the idea that since it's "protestware", it'll fall into obscurity and stop being maintained, but it's been around for a while so I think it's probably gonna be ok.
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>>108673086
I have artix on both my pc and laptop since 2023, both running dinit, but I have also used runit, no problems with either.
I had one update give bad results and I had to switch to an x11 session until they fixed wayland the next day.
It "just werks"
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>>108673120
>void
The distro that grifted off BLM after a hostile takeover by some troons?
>>108678613
Linus is one of those buck broken hippy Gen Xers. They get a pass because they're harmless. Like their right wing counterpart would be white trash.
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>>108673086
I don't even use Xlibre, but Arch is supposed to be a pragmatic distribution and yet we have fags polluting Arch Wiki with their propaganda and narrative straight from Red Hat headquarters. I'll give Arch team a few weeks to sort things out and if nothing changes, I'll move to Artix or some another distribution.
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>>108680549
>fags polluting Arch Wiki with their propaganda and narrative straight from Red Hat headquarters
Yeah a lot of it reads like how Microsoft tries to get you to update from an old version of Windows. Specially with X11/Wayland. But unlike a Microsoft product they can't stop us from keeping it alive.
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>>108680527
yeah, cause i dont have time for this shit
Until the copros and government fuck everything to the poin, so devuan/artix and others become so popular that gaben will jamp and suck their cock and we will happily have all repos and compatibility.
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>>108677270
>None, but they don't have to tell me like I'm some kind of child. Code of Conducts infantilize the entire community. It's arbitrary nonsense and utterly unnecessary.
Yeah you've been online before right? Seen how people behave and act the second they aren't in danger of getting their asses kicked for saying and doing certain things?
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>doesn't own a functioning keyboard
Kind of yeah
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>>108680420
it really comes down to whether you like updoooting and rolling releases (artix) or want to stay slow and steady (devuan)
gentoo didn't blacklist systemd so it can't be trusted, and the resident void shill refused to answer whether they actually blacklisted systemd or not so I'll take that as a no (rpm based distros are all cucked)