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>>108992438
>the "X" in XDG stands for X11
akshually it stands for X, not X11

>>108992438
KDE and Valve are now fixing it

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>>108993197
Tear everything away from Ebussi and GNOME. I don't even think the Foundation should be burned down and the land salted, I just want them not to steer Wayland development.

>>108993186
'XDG' is 'X Desktop Group' where 'X' refers to 'X11'

>>108992438
This.
All my reasons why i liked to use Linux are disappearing.

Kernel used to be C and Assembly. Now it's Troonish rust.
Troons couldn't leave X11 which was fine for development so they pushed wayland.
Pushing troon packages into repos like that troonish version of neofetch.

Ahhhh... Linux is going to die. Sadly... troons will kill it.

>>108992438
The linux desktop is unstable just like troons
>X11 is finally stable with proper hardware acceleration
>Xlib is set in stone. You can run a game compiled 20 years ago on modern linux because xlib abi hasn't ever changed
>Lets fuck that up by having multiple different wayland compositors that all implement the same shit, except for a few important features which all either implement differently or dont implement at all (gaynome)
>Require overcomplicated solution both from the server side and client side (desktop portal with pipewire for screen capture)
>Implement a wayland native protocol to do screen capture without pipewire
>Nobody implements it except cosmic and sway
>You can no longer have simple window managers. If you want to create a window manager you now also have to implement a whole display server implementation, compositor and desktop portal implementation

>>108993205
TOLD

>>108994997
What are you switching to?

>>108995064
troons will kill linux... faster then microdick or nJudea could even think of.

>>108992438
GNOME refuses to implement a popular wlroots Wayland extension, not an official Wayland standard.

>>108995099
GNOME even refuses to implement server-side decorations despite that being a standard wayland protocol and GNOME already supporting server-side decorations for xwayland applications.

>>108995095
Im still thinking about it.
Windows there is only option to use LTSC but configuring all the shit and banning all the Microsoft IP's is just shit ton of work. then there is BSD but im afraid it will end up just same... im kind of thinking that there is not really any altenrative.

Windows will die by jeets.
Linux and BSD will die by troons.
MacOS we will see i truly don't want to touch that shit but if it will be the only one thing left maybe i will even if i will have to live with my self.

>>108992438
wl_shell was Wayland’s first protocol for normal desktop windows, but it was quickly deprecated and replaced by xdg_shell. The joke is that Wayland replaced X11, yet its main window-management protocol uses the name “XDG”, historically tied to the X Desktop Group/freedesktop.org.

>>108995109
Ok. GNOME already knows how to draw window borders, but refuses to do it for native Wayland apps.

>>108995095
>>108995111
I'm much more optimistic about BSD.
>BSD systems are developed much more independently of each other so even if one gets enshittified the rest will likely be fine.
>BSD systems tend to be backed by companies that need a solid, minimal foundation so they're unlikely to do anything drastic.
>BSD will vanguard X11 because Wayland relies on Linux exclusive kernel features.
>FreeBSD has native translation layers for WINE and a Linux subsystem so theoretically you don't need to compromise anything.
>An argument can be made that permissive licenses actually discourage corporate takeovers, because why would they need to go through that when they can just take the code?
For these reasons I'm looking into FreeBSD+Xlibre+Trinity and the only reason I'm not running it right now is because they don't have drivers for the Wifi chip on my PC.
Otherwise I also wouldn't mind MacOS desu. All things considered it's a solid operating system, it's just too locked down.

>>108995287
We will see about that i hope honestly that you are right in this but when Linux will eventually start dying troons will try to invade BSD immediately if they aren't doing it already...

>>108993877
it's funny because even GNOME at times implemented wayland out of spec

>>108995064
>>108995096
phoenix might save it

>>108995287
>it's just too locked down.
have you ever actually used it? I have a fully riced tiling window manager with custom bar and everything on mine, configured with nix-darwin

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>>108995293
Linux and Windows are already dying bro. Windows is bleeding from how bad 11 is and Linux is holding on by the sheer autism of nerds willing to hack it into submission.
The good news is BSD gets to reap the benefits of actual Linux advancements like Xlibre without being influenced by the ecosystem.
I'll be honest, there are some trannies infesting the community. But they only really start to be a problem when they're accepted into the leadership. For now it's latent.

>>108995368
No but I do know one of the first things I'd want to do is change the UI theme to be like Snow Leopard. And that's impossible without overriding some system files that get replaced with each update. And the files to override it with probably don't even exist.

>>108995488
I still can't understand why they are letting this retards in. I mean look at gnome and the whole gnome shaman or the redhat it's just a fucking joke. Imagine working there the smell the fucking retardation of unability to do your actual job because troons want to discuss genders instead of OS.

>>108995500
Why don't you show them how it's done then, or are you more retarded than GNOME?
You retards don't do shit and won't do shit. Know your place.

>>108994997
>Kernel
Are you a kernel developer? Otherwise I don't see how it matters to (You). I don't care as long as it works.
>X11 which was fine
X.org sucked dick, was hell to maintain and a new centralized implementation wouldn't be able to satisfy what all DEs and WMs wanted.
>troon packages
As long as I don't need to do some bullshit to run them like some GUI Python apps seem to require, I don't care tbqh
>Linux is going to die
Looks fine to me.

>>108995548
Jesus troon calm down go take your meds, your are 58th gender you gonna be fine... everything is fine. You are they/them... breath nigga breath.

>>108995555
Stop projecting, anon.

>>108995566
NUMBERS ARE ON MY SIDE FAGGOT.

>>108995569
Digits can fail sometimes...

>>108995574
They never lie. Randomness is a essence of God.

>>108995575
kek is tricking you for fun, anon. Surprise him by not falling for it!

>>108995500
Yeah there are many different angles to it. It's a whole mess.
>Antifa has networks on Mastodon to coordinate job entry
>Much of the old guard in FOSS are gen X hippies that honestly believe MSM
>Western companies use identity politics to distract from their exploitation and capture a larger audience
>Lunduke and his followers provoke a reaction from their networks
>Trannies are terminally online and cling to their position in FOSS groups as a form of surrogate power
The system works out for all parties involved since raw programming ability hasn't really been something special for years desu.
Lay off the Lunduke btw he's a kike that profits off this kind of drama.

>>108995111
>but configuring all the shit and banning all the Microsoft IP's is just shit ton of work
there are already debloating utilities doing that, expanding it to a "de-microsofted windows" setup isn't that big of a stretch

>>108995287
>BSD systems are developed much more independently of each other so even if one gets enshittified the rest will likely be fine
>and the only reason I'm not running it right now is because they don't have drivers for the Wifi chip on my PC
one causes the other. also cuck licenses on most of them does NOT help your case.

>>108995064
you know xorg is a big ass spaghetti that only a few select old guard autists could manage right? xwayland exists to run those xlib games on a modern wayland session which runs faster and leaner because it was made with modern drm/kms graphics stacks in mind. for window managers you can always use a library like wlroots or smithay

>>108996490
>one causes the other.
I never blamed Linux for not having perfect Nvidia support. It should be basic tech literacy that you make sure the hardware supports your software. I will try FreeBSD again when I buy a PC that has support.
>also cuck licenses on most of them does NOT help your case.
I think it does because honestly GNU is starting to feel more cucked with all the hostile takeovers and manipulation. The only exception is a sign off policy with a benevolent dictator that seems to deter this behavior.
What happens in BSD? There's no liability to sharing or copying code from other BSD projects whatsoever. Companies that want it as a base for their system can use the code without exerting influence over the foundation to have their way.
And since those companies focus on embedded systems they're no threat to desktop users.

>>108994997
Your language will be safe

the new thing to hate is AI, nobody gives a shit about wayland anymore. whether it's to hate it or not

>>108995339
phoenix is literally dead

>>108996605
>I never blamed Linux for not having perfect Nvidia support. It should be basic tech literacy that you make sure the hardware supports your software
this was caused not by linux, but by nvidia artificially locking up reclocking on several families of gpus behind a signed firmware blob that they also decided not to let us use or share. nvidia deliberately stifled linux from working optimally on their gpus and they didn't change course until after pascal, and that's only for the new ones. maxwell 2 and pascal are still shit out of luck but it's not because of linux
>There's no liability to sharing or copying code from other BSD projects whatsoever
Companies that want it as a base for their system can use the code without exerting influence over the foundation to have their way.
having influence is a trade off for having decent device drivers written and maintained up to standard, and it has been mostly beneficial for the desktop linux ecosystem as a whole even if we have bad actors (usually backed by red hat). this is why we enjoy 802.11ax wifi on linux while most of the BSDs are stuck on 802.11n

How is Xlibre? I've had it installed for a while and it seems to work pretty well but I haven't been following the development side of it.

>>109001563
i think it has better defaults than xorg like tearfree enabled by default

>>108999484
fugg, year of the linux desktop never ever

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>>108992438
>Start upgrading workstations to Ubuntu 26.04 LTS
>With gayland USB barcode readers don't work anymore
>Can't switch to X11 because GNOME stopped support for it
>Install Kubuntu 26.04 on everything and force it to use X11

Gayland is such a frustrating project when it's forced like this even though it's not ready. Veyon and Anydesk don't work and there are no workarounds other than some stupid hacks which I'm not going to deploy on hundreds of machines.

>>109001914
> it's not ready
Its working exactly as designed, they will never support your obscure use cases.

>>108993205
>colorspace management still broken
lmao

>>109002643
wrong

>>109002651
last time i checked software-side support is almost always broken for whatever reason

>>108994620
no it's refer to X which started as a fork of W (x being the next letter)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_Window_System#Origin_and_early_development

>>109003695
>>108994620
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W_Window_System

You're all such contrarians it's insane.

>Linux starts to get good
>/g/ notices
>Lists made up reasons why it's not actually good and is actually bad
>Lists every shitty "alternative" including going back to Windows

You guys should take a look at yourselves...

>>109004457
Almost all the bugs I see normies complain about in Linux desktop environments are Wayland specific though. Then it's like hitting my head against the wall explaining to them how X isn't some old legacy software and Wayland is still experimental if not a total non-solution.

>>109004457
by good you mean infested by normalfaggots, right?
i mean you use contrarian as an insult by default because thats part of your programming but i just dont see that.

>>108992438
Old fuck scared of the Wayland world like it's the fucking Script of Scientology. Future is now old man.

Wayland had a fucked up conception, it was made by retards who basically created solely to get rid of tearing. They didn't even think about having good throughput. Not only that, but they didn't have decent foresight so it didn't have HDR either. Being able to disable tearing and HDR didn't get included until very recently, when Wayland was over a decade old. And both options still have issues. Moronic DE's are trying to force people on to Wayland so they have more testers for this trash. Oh and the maintainers are huge cunts about any changes. Any change you submit will take at least five years before upstreamed and that's if it gets accepted at all.