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When did you learn the truth that America attacked Japan first?
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>>18427076
He's the Japanese air force general so he knows what he's talking about
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>>18427076
I still haven't learned it sufficiently to my liking. And I'm aware there was a bit of a competition with Japan over domination of the Pacific Islands, but that's still not an "attack". That post in your picture was simply referring to how America was taking dominion of Pacific Islands that Japan would prefer to own.
If you make a big claim like, "America attacked first," you have to have some type of citation or at least an example.
Because so far, this is nothing but a shitpost with no evidence whatsoever.
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>>18427076
Economic sanctions and oil embargoes are NOT an attack. It's true the US tried to "contain" Japan and stop expansion with economic measures, and by offering support to Japan's enemies... but this is still not a military "attack".
The US wanted dominion of the Pacific also, and there was a competition with Japan to do that. But before Pearl Harbor, there were no military acts of aggression on either side.
Japan threw the first punch and then got their face caved in. It's hard to feel bad for em.
I don't know what the fuck you're talking about, OP.
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>>18427098
The US only embargoed Japan in 1940 for invading French Indochina, which was a direct threat to invade the US ruled Philippines.
The US did not send even one cent of military aid to China against Japan before that.
Not even when Japanese killed American pilots and sailors in China (who weren't fighting the Japanese)
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Start shit, get hit
Nowadays all sappy jappies know not to provoke mighty gajin shogunate.
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>>18427455
you're lucky you got off with just 2 nukes hiroshi. macarthur should have sent your entire island civilization back to the paleolithic era.
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>>18427078
I don't usually post this kind of bait, but since no one has posted it yet, I'll be the first and last to do so:
>Operation PX (Japanese: PX作戦, romanized: PX Sakusen), also known as Operation Cherry Blossoms at Night (夜桜作戦 Yozakura Sakusen) was a planned Japanese military attack on civilians in the United States using biological weapons, devised during World War II. The proposal was for Imperial Japanese Navy submarines to launch seaplanes that would deliver weaponized bubonic plague, developed by Unit 731 of the Imperial Japanese Army, to the West Coast of the United States. The operation was abandoned shortly after its planning was finalized in March 1945 due to the strong opposition of General Yoshijirō Umezu, Chief of the Army General Staff
>Operation PX was proposed in December 1944 by the Japanese Naval General Staff, led by Vice-Admiral Jisaburō Ozawa. The name for the operation came from the Japanese use of the code name PX for Pestis bacillus-infected fleas. In planning the operation, the navy partnered with Lieutenant-General Shirō Ishii of Unit 731, who had extensive experience on weaponizing pathogenic bacteria and human vulnerability to biological and chemical warfare
>The plan for the attack involved Seiran aircraft launched by submarine aircraft carriers upon the West Coast of the United States—specifically, the cities of San Diego, Los Angeles, and San Francisco. The planes would spread weaponized bubonic plague, cholera, typhus, dengue fever, and other pathogens in a biological terror attack upon the population. The submarine crews would infect themselves and run ashore in a suicide mission
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>As the Japanese went from victory to victory, Tojo and the rest of the Japanese elite were gripped by what the Japanese called "victory disease," as the entire elite was caught up in a state of hubris, believing Japan was invincible and the war was as good as won. By May 1942, Tojo approved a set of "non-negotiable" demands to be presented once the Allies sued for peace that allowed Japan to keep everything it already conquered while assuming possession of considerably more. Under such demands, Japan would assume control of the following territories:
>the British Crown colonies of India and Honduras as well as the British dominions of Australia, Australian New Guinea, Ceylon, New Zealand, British Columbia and the Yukon Territory
>the American state of Washington and the American territories of Alaska and Hawaii
>most of Latin America including Ecuador, Colombia, Panama, El Salvador, Guatemala, Nicaragua, Costa Rica, Cuba, Jamaica, Haiti and the rest of the West Indies
>Additionally, Tojo wanted all of China to be under the rule of the puppet Wang Jingwei and planned to buy Macau and East Timor from Portugal and to create new puppet kingdoms in Burma, Cambodia, Vietnam, Laos, Thailand, Indonesia, and Malaya. As the Burmese had proved to be enthusiastic collaborators in the "New Order in Asia," the new Burmese kingdom would be allowed to annex much of north-east India as a reward. The Navy, for its part, demanded that Japan take New Caledonia, Fiji, and Samoa
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Toshio Tamogami was sacked as Chief of Staff of the JASDF in 2008. Shameful Display! A real Samurai would have commited honorable Seppuku. Instead he chooses to live in shame! The continuous existence of Toshio Tamogami brings shame to his ancestors and his living family!
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Did you know that Jewish financiers like Jacob Schiff supported Japan during the Russo-Japanese War, did you know that these same Jewish financiers were behind the NAACP (National Association for the Advancement of Colored People)? Did you know that the Japanese Black Dragon Society was behind the Universal Negro Improvement Association, the African Communities League (which was famously led by Marcus Garvey, considered the Father of Black Nationalism), and the Nation of Islam, which said that White people were created by a big-headed black scientist named Yakub and should be exterminated? Did you know that pre-World War II Japan hosted some of the world's most powerful Jews in Manchuria to create a Jewish state and this is known as the "Fugu Plan"?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_settlement_in_the_Japanese_Empire
Japan was used by the jewish elites for two things:
1. to get America into war with Germany in order to destroy the Nazis. This is the reason why the Japanese bombed pearl harbor
2. To systematically destroy China and Chinese people in order to establish a new Israel in China.
In fact, it has been publicly admitted by high Tokyo officials that the original plan was to establish a new Israel in China.
>Newly translated secret documents of the Japanese Foreign Ministry and interviews with former high Tokyo officials disclose that a plan existed, in the years before the 1941 attack on Pearl Harbor, to enlist skills and financial resources of persecuted Jews in Europe, to rescue them from the Nazis and to establish an “Israel” in Japan's conquered territory of Manchuria, in northern China.
https://www.nytimes.com/1979/05/19/archives/tokyo-documents-of-30s-rel ate-plans-for-resettling-jews-in-as ia.html
Of course, the nanking massacre was part of the plan to systematically cleanse the land of any Chinese goyim in order to establish a new clean state for a new group of people to migrate to.
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>>18427076
I thought this guy was talking about the Flying Tigers, and how American pilots in American planes were fighting Japanese pilots in Japanese planes over the skies of Burma before pearl harbor.
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>>18427775
Burmese have slanted eyes like the japanese
>>18427780
It's pretty racist to say asians must have a white master rather than asian
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>>18427455
>We have conclusive proof, japan didn't start shit
May I see it?
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>>18427076
Japan did nothing wrong except try to do the same thing white countries were doing (colonize Asia). Just like Nazi Germany was doing nothing wrong except doing what the United States did to the native americans and blacks except to the poles and czechs (segregation, colonization)
America and the U.K condemning nazi germany and japan for aggression is laughable! It's obvious that the U.S and U.K were only angry someone else was trying to play their game. But brainwashed people have been made to think that they were the good guys when they held similar beliefs and did similar crimes at the time
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>>18427915
>The Racial Equality Proposal (Japanese: 人種的差別撤廃提案; lit. "Proposal to abolish racial discrimination") was an amendment to the Treaty of Versailles that was considered at the 1919 Paris Peace Conference
>Though it was broadly supported, the proposal did not become part of the treaty, largely because of opposition by the United States and the dominions of the British Empire Delegation, namely Australia, Canada and New Zealand
>The principle of racial equality was revisited after the war and incorporated into the United Nations Charter in 1945 as a fundamental principle of international justice. However, several countries, including members of the United Nations, would continue to retain racially discriminatory laws for decades after the end of the war
>Prime Minister Hara Takashi had come into power in September 1918 and was determined for Japan to adopt a pro-western foreign policy (欧米協調主義, ōbei kyōchō shugi) at the peace conference. That was largely in consequence of the World War I governments under Prime Ministers Ōkuma Shigenobu and Terauchi Masatake, whose expansionist policies had the effect of alienating Japan from both the United States and Britain
>Takashi was determined to support the creation of the League of Nations at the peace conference to steer Japan back to the West. However, there was quite a bit of scepticism towards the League. Domestic opinion was divided into Japanese who supported the League and those who opposed it, the latter being more common in national opinion (国論, kokuron)
*Hence, the proposal had the role of appeasing the opponents by allowing Japan's acceptance of the League to be conditional on having a Racial Equality Clause inserted into the covenant of the League. Despite the proposal, Japan itself had racial discrimination policies, especially towards non-Yamato people
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Image description:
>In the 1930s relationship between Japan and Ethiopia was so strong a marriage was arranged between an Ethiopian prince and a Japanese woman. Kuroda Masako proposed marriage between Araya Abebe of Ethiopia [Right] and Kuroda Masako of Japan At the home of Mr. Sumioka. Front row, right to left: Araya Abeba, Foreign Minister Heruy Woldesilassie, Lij Teferi, and the interpreter, Daba Birru. In the back row are Mr. and Mrs. Sumioka. Picture taken from Heruy's Dai Nihon. “Marriage Alliance: The Union of Two Imperiums, Japan and Ethiopia?” This paper was presented at the Annual Meeting of the Florida Conference of Historians.
Japan is one of the biggest supporters of Ethiopian development. In January 2014 the Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe visited Ethiopia to strengthen the historical relationship of the two countries
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https://scholarblogs.emory.edu/blackinternationalism/asiatic-black-man /
https://moguldom.com/348824/fact-check-did-noble-drew-ali-influence-na tion-of-islam-teachings/
>Following the Russo-Japanese war, which occurred in 1905, many Black Americans took pride in Japan’s victory because it symbolized more than a military achievement. W.E.B Dubois saw the outcome as a win for all oppressed people around the world. Activist and religious leader Reverend J.M. Boddy viewed Russia’s defeat as an achievement of the Black race. He declared that the Japanese race “must be akin to the Negro race” and because of their “large infusion of Negro blood in their veins.” Black nationalist groups adopted Reverend Boddy’s view of Afro-Asian relations and “merged the Black and Asiatic identities to serve their agenda”
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>>18427881
>asians must have a white master rather than asian
When did I say this? You are such a pathetic projector.
>all slanted eyes people are equal
Holy fucking shot you aren't even Asian lmao.
So why is it not a problem for Japan to enslaved other Asians huh but if ebil hwity does it it a problem?
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>>18427918
Pretty fucking stupid to do it to Poles and Czechs when they were civilized people compared to American Indians who were all stone age tribesman. Let me help you little /pol/hard.
>colonize and enslaved Africans and browns
Good
>murder and kill Europeans or try and steal another nations colony
Bad
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>>18427413
and your country is now third world compare to japan idiot
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>>18428166
>Japan gets prosperous under the guidance and vision of mighty gajin shogun
>Japan's a shithole under the rule of Jap manlets
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The Hull Note, delivered by the United States to Japan on November 26, 1941, was a diplomatic proposal aimed at resolving the escalating tensions between the two nations. It demanded Japan's withdrawal from China (warlords state) and French Indochina (southern part), which were seen as part of the broader conflict in the Pacific. The Japanese government, believing that the United States was obstructing their efforts to establish peace (US actual builtup navy), ultimately chose to "declare" war on December 7, 1941, just hours after the Hull Note was delivered, leading to the attack on Pearl Harbor. The Hull Note was a significant moment in the diplomatic history of the Second World War, marking the culmination of a series of events that had been building up to this critical point.
Sadly most Americans are uneducated like Trump and Biden.
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>>18427098
The Flying Tigers was a military attack, months before Pearl Harbor.
>Japan threw the first punch
The first punch was America imposing the oil embargo and issuing the Hull Note ultimatum. Japan was acting in self defense.
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>>18427412
>invading French Indochina,
The stationing of Japanese troops into French Indochina was approved by the French government.
>which was a direct threat to invade the US ruled Philippines.
Japan had no intention of invading the Philippines prior to the war.
>when Japanese killed American pilots and sailors in China
It was the Americans who were killing Japanese in China (Flying Tigers).
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>>18427427
>International volunteers
Former Flying Tigers pilots admitted after the war that they were following orders from Washington and being paid by the US government to attack the Japanese military in China prior to the war. The narrative that they were "international volunteers" is Allied propaganda.
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>>18429036
So Japan was intentionally attacking European colonies to take control of them and make them their own colony? Sounds like America was right to embargo them for their posturing and aggresive expansionist policies
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>>18429028
Liberating and then making them their own colonies. Indonesia is another perfect example. Instead of gifting all the rubber plantations to Indonesians they were put under control of the Japanese and forced Indonesians to work the farms and extracted the rubber to Japan.
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>>18428517
>I'm not going to literally "attack" you, but I will force people to not sell you food and I will cut water and electricity to your house until you do what I want
well, I guess I can't defend myself, then!
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All of this is bullshit
America only embargoed Japan and sent the Flying Tigers and Hull Note AFTER Japan invaded French Indochina in 1940.
US embargoed Japan for invading French Indochina in 1940, after US supplied Japan with 90% of its war material.
Japan planned to invade the rest of SEA including the US held Philippines after French Indochina, which is why the US embargoed them
US never embargoed Japan for attacking China
Japan sent agents like Satokata Takahashi to America in the 1930s, calling on Blacks to do race war against whites and joining the Pacific Movement of the Eastern World.
Japan killed US pilot Robert McCawley Short in 1932 and bombed USS Panay in 1937
Japan never planned on allying with the US.
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>>18429023
1 million Japanese were roasted to death in the firebombings of Japanese cities like Tokyo before the two nukes.
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>>18430650
Seethe, Chang. Japan liberated Asia from Britain.
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>>18427455
>Japan invades Korea
>YEAH RAPE THEM KIRR THEM
>Japan invades Manchuria
>YEAH RAPE THEM KIRR THEM
>Japan invades China
>YEAH RAPE THEM KIRR THEM
>Japan invades the Philippines
>YEAH RAPE THEM KIRR THEM
>the US attacks Japan
>NOOOOOOOO IS NOT FAIR FUCKING GAIJIN
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>>18429291
not sure, i know there's a jap apologist posting under the british flag, but i'm not certain if that's the same retard >>18428166 who larps as a netouyo
what i do know is that samefagging is happening with VPN's. posting styles under different flags when you call him out on his BS calling you an idiot is almost identical
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>>18427098
Japanese had been seething towards West since 1895, when Germany, Russia and France hadn't let them take parts of mainland China.
>>18430790
>Japan liberated Asia from liberty, progress and prosperity.
Yeah, sure.
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>>18431131
This, America brought Santa Claus to Japan. And who doesn't love Santa Claus?
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>>18431012
>has not read the thread
>has not read and understood the post he answers to
>shitposts anyway.
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>>18431215
I thought the occupation of French Indochina wasn't Imperialism? So you admit Japan was actually just taking advantage of the French fighting the Germans to simply land grab a French Colony.
This admittance proves how Japan was an aggressive and expansionist empire and the Hull Note and ultimatum were reasonable requests to their aggressive actions made in South East Asia and China. Nobody likes a bully so a bigger stronger nation had to step up to put Japan back in their place.
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>>18430650
>AFTER Japan invaded French Indochina in 1940.
The French government approved the stationing of Japanese troops into French Indochina. And how exactly was the US threatened by Japanese soldiers in Indochina?
>Japan planned to invade the rest of SEA including the US held Philippines after French Indochina, which is why the US embargoed them
Incorrect. Japan only launched invasions of American, British and Dutch colonies after the US cut off Japan's essential resources and refused to negotiate in good faith. Had the US not cut off Japan's resources the Greater East Asia War wouldn't have broken out.
>US never embargoed Japan for attacking China
Okay, what's your point?
>Japan sent agents like Satokata Takahashi to America in the 1930s, calling on Blacks to do race war against whites and joining the Pacific Movement of the Eastern World.
America supported KMT dictatorship and CCP bandits in China to wage war against Japan.
>USS Panay
Accident that Japan immediately apologized for.
>Japan never planned on allying with the US
It was the US that ruined relations between themselves and Japan.
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>The French government approved the stationing of Japanese troops into French Indochina
Wrong, only in the North that bordered China since they said they only wanted to stop arms smuggling into China.
>how exactly was the US threatened by Japanese soldiers in Indochina
By the Japanese using French Indochina as a staging ground for the invasion of the Philippines. Again nobody would have questioned Japan's actions if they stuck to their agreement of stationing troops only in Northern French Indochina that bordered China, but them seizing the entire colony showed their true nature that they were already planning an invasion of the Philippines and all the other European colonies.
>It was the US that ruined relations between themselves and Japan.
America gave an ultimatum that Japan needlessly didn't even reject but stalled until after they sneak attacked Hawaii and other territories. Why did Japan act so treacherously?
>>18431405
>We gave you independence so now you give us all your resources and also your leader still answers to the Japanese General.
Sounds like a colony with extra steps.
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>>18431427
>Wrong, only in the North
So they did then.
>By the Japanese using French Indochina as a staging ground for the invasion of the Philippines
Japan had no intention of attacking the Philippines prior to the oil embargo.
>America gave an ultimatum that Japan needlessly didn't even reject but stalled until after they sneak attacked Hawaii and other territories
Not true. Japan negotiated earnestly to try and avoid war. It was the US that issued the Hull Note ultimatum which made war inevitable. Also Pearl Harbor was not a sneak attack.
>>We gave you independence so now you give us all your resources and also your leader still answers to the Japanese General.
Who are you quoting?
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>>18431473
>Who are you quoting?
Reality. Every person put in charge by "liberated" Japanese still answered to the Japanese.
>Japan negotiated earnestly
Then why didn't they agree to the Hull Note?
>Japan had no intention of attacking the Philippines
Then why did they seize the entirety of French Indochina and not stick to what they told the French Government
>So they did
Except they didn't.
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>>18431473
>they did
They did not. They had absolutely 0 reason or justification to enter southern Vietnam or Cambodia at the time. They lied to the French government and it was basically a land grab. A provocation to the other European nations and a threat to their colonies. What right did Japan have to steal land from France?
>Japan had no intentions of attacking the Phillipines
Another lie.
>hull note
What prevented them from agreeing? The terms were fair yet they stalled in the negotiations and deliberately attacked several nations before they officially declared war. Perfidious Nipon
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>>18431981
Ah yes. Iran is being bombed relentlessly with their entire leadership decapitated, but they are winning because an F-35 got damaged.
So why did Japan start a war killing millions when they knew they were gonna lose?
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Go died in Iran, pussy
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>>18432017
Did your grandma get knocked up by a GI or something? Why so butthurt?
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>>18432024
Ironic coming from the mystery meat turdie. Ran out of arguments already? Such is life when your lies run out and you have to resort to adhomin.
>>18432017
>A fucking unironic ESL
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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>Every person put in charge by "liberated" Japanese still answered to the Japanese.
Countries in the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere were independent.
>Then why didn't they agree to the Hull Note?
Hull Note was impossible for Japan to accept.
>Then why did they seize the entirety of French Indochina and not stick to what they told the French Government
That doesn't prove they were going to attack the Philippines.
>Except they didn't.
Yes they did
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>>18431915
>A provocation to the other European nations and a threat to their colonies
How was it a threat to other colonies? Japan didn't want war with the US, it was the US that made war inevitable.
>Another lie.
If Japan wanted to attack the Philippines why did the Japanese try to negotiate a peaceful end to the oil embargo? Why would people who want war negotiate to try and avoid war?
>What prevented them from agreeing?
Accepting the Hull Note would've made Japan a slave of the US.
>The terms were fair
No they weren't. America trying to force Japan to dismantle it's Empire under threat of economic warfare was not at all "fair."
>stalled in the negotiations and deliberately attacked several nations before they officially declared war.
Another anti-Japanese lie. Japan tried to avoid war through negotiations, it was the US side that refused to negotiate in good faith. Also, Japan tried to issue an official declaration of war prior to the Pearl Harbor attack. Learn real history.
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Embargos and ultimatums aren't acts of war dullard.
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>>18433168
>How was it a threat to other colonies?
How is Japan stealing a French colony not a threat to the other colonies? Doesn't take a lot of brain power to see why that was a problem.
>Japan a slave of the US.
You have no way to prove this. Nowhere in the Hull note says Japan must kowtow to the American Government and America would have sovereignty over Japan. These are delusions you made up.
>tried to issue a declaration
Yet they didn't because...just because. Also where were their declarations of war before their unjust attacks against the British and Dutch colonies huh? How come Japan never made a formal declaration of war before their illigal invasions?
>learn history
Ironic coming from so none who gets their history from Japanese propaganda
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>That doesn't prove they were going to attack the Philippines
But it was an aggressive action Japan took. You cannot deny that.
Hull note could of easily been accepted Japan was just full of warmongering war Hawks and refused
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>>18433168
>Japan didn't want war
Then what forced them to unjustly attack America, they Phillipines, and every other European colony in the area?
>Hull note
Not a valid excuse especially with Japan's illigal invasions of Hong Kong, British Malaysia, The Dutch holdings and even Australia and other surrounding islands
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Fact
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False
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>How is Japan stealing a French colony not a threat to the other colonies?
Japan had no intention of attack other western colonies and only did so when the US forced them into war.
>Nowhere in the Hull note says Japan must kowtow to the American Government and America would have sovereignty over Japan
If Japan accepted the Hull Note they'd be in a position where the US could keep using sanctions to control Japan's foreign policy. In this way Japan would become a slave of the US.
>Yet they didn't because...just because
Research it further if you want to, it's not my job to spoonfeed you.
>How come Japan never made a formal declaration of war before their illigal invasions?
Again, they tried to.
>Ironic coming from so none who gets their history from Japanese propaganda
Ironic coming from someone who gets their history from GHQ propaganda
>But it was an aggressive action Japan took
Not against the US. All the aggression leading up to the Greater East Asia War came from the US side, Japan made no aggressive moves against the US prior to Pearl Harbor.
>Hull note could of easily been accepted Japan
And Japan would've lost it's sovereignty.
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>>18433376
>Then what forced them to unjustly attack America, they Phillipines, and every other European colony in the area?
America forced them into war with the oil embargo and Hull Note ultimatum.
>Not a valid excuse especially with Japan's illigal invasions of Hong Kong, British Malaysia, The Dutch holdings and even Australia and other surrounding islands
1. Yes the Hull Note was a legitimate reason for Japan to go to war.
2. Japan liberated Asian countries under western occupation, they didn't "illegally invade."
3. Japan didn't invade Australia and had no intention of doing so.
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>>18433891
>Japan had no intention of attack other western colonies
So if a robber breaks into a store and steals everything and then goes to the store next door and tries to buy stuff, it is the store owners fault for not servicing the robber because "it wasn't that store owners business" what he did outside the store? That is retarded logic.