>>18428800
The funny thing is that whites would be in a much better place in Zimbabwe and South Africa if the more moderate whites had their way rather than the hardliners.

>>18428800
Black people won the war while white people lost. Whites are losers.

>>18428805
>if the more moderate whites
Moderate is a extremely relative. More so in this context since it would mean
>"still apply a strict racial and social hierachies but put on better PR and throw our shallow platitudes that do nothing to change anything."

>>18428815
>t. Rajesh

>>18428800
>build your national identity around loyalty to the empire
>empire betrays you and throws you to the wolves

>>18428800
Loyalty goes both ways, faggot.

>>18429048
Exactly, it would have preserved their privileged place for far longer

>>18428800
Rhodesia could have been a paradise for western/rich countries tourists

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>>18428800
>build your marriage on fidelity
>divorce when she cheats
I don't see the hypocrisy. Are you one of these people who say "heh, your enemies are trying to kill you, so if you kill them you are no better than they are"?

>>18430786
except that you can't kill anyone because you lost

>>18428815
>>18428815

The Rhodesian Security Forces never experienced a single tactical feat in the entire Rhodesian Bush War.

Not one. In other words, they literally never lost against the wogs, even as the USSR, China (and the UK and the rest of the western world) were providing support to them.

Ian Smith was not a racist, extremist or hardliner. In fact, I'd consider him one of the most moderate, proficient and eloquent politicians in history. Reading his memoir, most of the book and his struggle is with the British, not the black rebels. Smith had way more fucking patience than he ever should have, I mean the guy was open to and talking with the UK for over 20 years as they were being the slimiest, wealthiest bastards on the planet. The only hardliners in Southern Africa were the National Party and more broadly Apartheid and Afrikaners. Smith said that had the NP not won the 1948 South Africa general election, Southern Africa would be ~50% white and Rhodesia would've survived. Instead, he had Afrikaners as his allies who eventually betrayed him, and Salazar in Portugal was also a great ally who never did betray Rhodesia, though he died and along with him, the Portugese colonial empire.

Calling Rhodesia a white supremacist regime is stupid. All the myths told about it in the (((media))) are wrong. Blacks could vote and had a right to the franchise, and at the time Rhodesia gave more rights and political representation to traditional African chiefs and tribes than any other country and it's Indigenous peoples on the planet at the time.

You really get to understand what Smith meant by 'The Great Betrayal'. Betrayal. That's what sums up the fall of Rhodesia, and now it's ruins are called Zimbabwe, a poor, food-insecure, economically bleak and politically unstable shithole with no white people, but, and it never achieved black majority rule, because the blacks, and in fact, people there don't rule over everything. It's a dictatorship.

>>18430858
They lost. They fought for Globohomo and nog worship in WW2 and reaped the consequences.

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>>18428815
>WE WON CRACKA
And after the white man left Zimbabwe became a utopia becuase evil whitey was no longer exploiting it.

>>18430863
True. Rhodesia and South Africa should have sided with NSDAP Deutschland and reconciled with the Germano-Dutch Boers who also loved der Führer und der Kaiser who supported them against the Judaeo-Anglo, I fully concede this point. This split in the Empire could have been enough to force the British to accept a ceasefire, purge the government of anyone kvetching about it and permit der Führer to conduct his eradication of bolshevism in peace unabated.

>>18430786
Not the same thing because the relationship between Britain and Rhodesia was that of a master and a servant.
And the servant had pledged undying loyalty to the master.
But then forgot all ablut that loyalty when the master started demanding things of them they didn't approve of.

>>18430433
Except it doesn't.

>>18430430
How is majority rule a "betrayal" ?

>>18430858
>Blacks could vote and had a right to the franchise, and at the time Rhodesia gave more rights and political representation to traditional African chiefs and tribes than any other country and it's Indigenous peoples on the planet at the time.
Yeah. Rhodesia did give it's African citizens a limited franchise based on property ownership. In a country where most land was held by the white population. Later they gave the African population 16 seats in their legislature, matching the 55 for the white population.

>>18428800
>be loyal to Britain
>America demands you die
>secede from America
>Britain calls you a traitor
???????????
>>18428805
The moderates did have their way.
if there were more extremists theyd have lasted up to present, like Israel.
Apartheid states, and they work extremely well, Israel's HDI is much higher than the diverse democracies like Lebanon and Syria which surround them.
Leftists, not even once.

>>18430945
but thats not even remotely true, they were loyal to the British Empire, not the liberal government in England.

>>18430786
She was definitely bred by multiple black men after the fall of Rhodesia. No way they would have let a pretty white thing like that leave. You know it's true.

>>18430996
you didnt hear? they found that the black victors all went to the indians and bred the females and raped the jamboys, leaving the Whites alone.
The Whites are big and strong, jews, jeets, nafris, soft, supple, weak, as women should be.
you just KNOW Tyrone was going soft while Peter Rhodesia was digging out Kiki Mbunda. black women love dominant males and Rhodesian BVLLs never lost a single battle.

>>18428815
Black people got their ass kicked while Whites in the US/UK defeeted Rhodesia.

>>18430993
The British empire was the monarch of Britain and that monarch approved of the liberal government of England, which was the center of the empire.

>>18431004
>thinks wars and conflicts are CoD lobbies.
You aren't gonna make it kid.

>>18430991
>Israel's HDI is much higher than the diverse democracies like Lebanon and Syria which surround them.
Entirely propped up by the US and guilting investors.
>>18430858
Rhodieboos are so pathetic. How is it like knowing even white nats in Europe/NA and Apartheid stans laugh at you guys.

>>18430945
Britain's pre-WWII government was so different from the 1960s and onward that it may as well have been a completely different entity making any allegiance null and void.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kV5Z5hpeEY

>>18431434
>Britain's pre-WWII government was so different from the 1960s and onward
Not even close you loser.

>>18431436
Rhodesia really if anything is a private project of Cecil Rhodes for whom it is named and should obey allegiance to his ideology and what he wanted not to the British government. It is RHODESia not BRITAINia.

Would Cecil Rhodes like Starmer, Blair and the other idiots running the show since 1960?

>>18431436
Actually a good comparison is with Elon Musk. It is like if Musk started his own nation or Mars colony and then the USA expected it to blindly follow any stupid move that they say. It was a private enterprise that was only useful to Britain when it came to claiming mineral rich areas in Africa and setting up an Anglo colony to counter the Boers in the south but then was dropped when it was expedient.

>>18430858
>Not one. In other words, they literally never lost against the wogs
except when they put 1/4 of all the gasoline in the country in one place and let someone shoot it with a rocket launcher lol

>>18431442
>It was a private enterprise that was only useful to Britain when it came to claiming mineral rich areas in Africa and setting up an Anglo colony to counter the Boers in the south but then was dropped when it was expedient.
You mixed up the timeline a lot.

>>18431438
>Rhodesia really if anything is a private project of Cecil Rhodes for whom it is named and should obey allegiance to his ideology and what he wanted not to the British government.
BSAC surrendered all governance and rule to the empire.

>Would Cecil Rhodes like Starmer, Blair and the other idiots running the show since 1960?
Rhodes was a power hungry freak who dragged people into wars and had delusions of grandeur. The guy was obsessed about spreading Anglos worldwide yet never produced a single biological heir. Nor did he produce a dynasty of sorts through his siblings and descendants because of his probable proclivities.

>>18431444
>Yes, British mining magnate and politician Cecil Rhodes founded the southern African territory of Rhodesia. Through his British South Africa Company (BSAC), he colonized the region in the 1890s, which was named Rhodesia in his honor in 1895. The territory later split into Southern Rhodesia (now Zimbabwe) and Northern Rhodesia (now Zambia).

Rhodesia the actual colony was started before Boer war to get a foothold for Britain in the region. Rhodesia the independent state in the 1970s is a direct continuation of this original state because they didn’t want to give in to Britain’s demands to get rid of minority rule for the time being (note they were open to the idea much later down the road).

>>18431448
Listen, I can’t really change history or anything but is it really so bad for me to merely say that Ian Smith was a better leader than Mugabe was? Mugabe and Smith both existed as pariah states on the world stage yet one was way more humane and ruled the country in a not retarded way.

>>18431451
>Rhodesia the independent state in the 1970s is a direct continuation of this original state because they didn’t want to give in to Britain’s demands to get rid of minority rule for the time being
You can excise the conversion to British imperial rule and the 40+ years of that tenure in the empire. A tenure longer than the total time of BLACKS existence.

>>18431455
>Ian Smith was a better leader than Mugabe was?
Iam Smith eas total ass and refused to do any sort of reform and was sore loser to the very end. Mugabe was the direct result of those policies and total failure of the Southern Rhodesian and Rgodesian state to engage in key modernization and land reforms policies.

>yet one was way more humane and ruled the country in a not retarded way.
Lmao Ian wasn't remotely humane.

You would think that blecks would have dealt with Israel by now, but the arabs can't manage it.

>>18431037
are you mentally ill? genuinely asking

>>18430858
You're a faggot. If you looked anywhere other than Wikipedia articles that source from Rhodieboo fanfiction where they kill 6 trillion blacks in a single engagement and only losing 1 white guy from a toe infection you'd know there were numerous incidents where guerrillas defeated the Rhodesian Army in ground engagements and slaughtered or overran entire bases of them. Nevertheless, you have the Gen X boomerbrained view of war where it's about how many insurgents or "enemies" you kill, not about achieving your strategic objectives.

>>18431481
That and the Rhodesian forces had man firendly fire accidents due to limited training or using foreign recruits.

Rhodeasia was doomed to fail.
Sanctions prevented Rhodesia from importing or even making their own complex machinery. By 1979, alot of cars were leftovers from early 1960s, and were getting cannibalized for parts like yank tanks in Cuba.
Things like combat aircraft were aging, and there was nothing to replace them with. Yes, they could produce smaller less complex things like the FAL rifle, but complex machinery was impossible. They did smuggle in 3 boeing 720s in 1973, but that was a one time thing. Big fuel depot boom boom in 1978, made things even worse for logistics. Even by 1976, Ian Smith accepted there was going to be majority rule soon, but he wanted to buy as much time as possible to find a moderate.

>>18431434
>Britain's pre-WWII government was so different from the 1960s and onward that it may as well have been a completely different entity
Actually, it was the same entity that existed when Rhodesia was founded. The monarchy approved of it too. It was a legal continuum and there was no break.
>making any allegiance null and void.
Oh so it's only loyalty when you feel like it?

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>>18431469
Are you retarded? Whites are inferior. If you weren't, you wouldn't have gotten dominated by Jews, non-whites and leftists so easily. Just get over it faggot.

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>>18431767
If you are married to a sweet woman who turns into a remorseless bitch due to influence from her corrupt whore friends then yes the loyalty is gone, not by the husband but by the whore bitch that replaced her. If you don't understand this then you are simply a cuck who deserves the nanny state you can't even say a joke and not go to jail for, cuck.

>>18428800
The only fault they did in Africa was not do the same they did to natives in north America. Hell even bleaching like the Spaniards did would've have at least make them somewhat united.

>>18431819
The relationship between Britain and Rhodesia was not a relationship between equal partners but that of a master and servant.
And please explain why demanding majority rule was a betrayal.

>>18430872
>betraying the empire is a display of loyalty to the empire
This is some dialectical mindfuckery you can only expect from socialists.

>>18431795
it's true, we are superior in our abilities but one fatal flaw, toxic empathy, makes us completely cuck out like the example in your webm

>>18430865
Rhodesia had amazing casualty ratios but whites were so few in number there that they were completely unsustainable... for the Rhodesian side
and that's before you get into the impact on migration, because English-speaking whites had a lot of options better than "conscript fighting in a war zone" even if they believed in the cause

>>18430991
Israel has the population base to be somewhat viable, at least internally
Apartheid/Jim Crow can work for a while when you're half the population, when you're like 5-10% it's completely unsustainable

>>18431481
>you'd know there were numerous incidents where guerrillas defeated the Rhodesian Army in ground engagements and slaughtered or overran entire bases of them.
Such as?

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>>18430945
Britain broke this paternal relationship when they declared they were working towards "majority rule" where black people would inevitably vote in a despot like Mugabe, evict white people and steal decades of hard work to develop the Rhodesian economy. Rhodesia was no longer an imperial dominion, thus the 19th century virtues longer applied.

Of course from a leftist bioleninist perspective this is just great. In theory without "colonial exploitation" black Zimbabweans would be able to build their own nation and enhance their fortunes. In reality black Zimbabweans in the current year are now actually poorer than they were under Rhodesia. In reality democracy isn't always the best system to ensure liberty and prosperity. If anything you should fault Britain for being too eager to abandon Africa to its fate rather than stay a few decades more to develop a civil service and national army as they had done in India, but of course these subtle nuances occupy less space in your mind than "WYPIPO OUT NOW", so now Zimbabwe is one of the most poorest impoverished tyrannical spaces on earth yearning for the retvrn of the h'white man.

>>18430786
>>18431819
The marriage metaphor is flawed.
A more accurate one would be if your partner in crime wanted to give up the criminal life.

>>18431874
>rather than stay a few decades more to develop a civil service
What makes you think the White Rhodesians would have allowed that?
Also why do you pretend that the problems that Zimbabwe faces now are a result it not being Rhodesia, rather than it having been Rhodesia (where education and economic opportunities for Africans were systematically restricted to be inferior to the White Rhodesians) for decades?
You speak of Leninists but your logic is the exact same as a Leninist's on Russia today: pretending that Russia's current problems are solely the result of it ceasing to be Soviet Union, instead of it having been the Soviet Union for decades.

>>18431924
Cope post. We all see that African shortcomings are the result of Africans themselves particularly their IQ and behavioral deficits.
You lost. Liberalism lost. Leftism lost. The world cannot in fact be reduced to economic conditions.
Latter Marxism was wrong in its fundamental assumption all human groups react predictably and identically to material conditions.

What evidence would you need to see to admit Zimbabwe’s shithole status is a result of blacks being shithole people?
You need IQ data? We have IQ data.
You need behavior trend data? We have that.
What exactly do you need to admit the Chuds were right all along?

>>18431970
>people are barred form higher education
>they end up being dumb
Wow

>>18431859
>unsustainable
Unsustainable? They could have sustained 10x the casualties idiot. Their casualties were incredibly low throughout the entire war with most of their engagements seeing zero losses to manpower.
Rhodesia’s trouble came from lack of materiel.
You don’t even know what you’re talking about.
>>18431863
No they didn’t. Israel began fighting a genocidal war with 1/10th the population the mandate. They won. They built a majority jewish state and they today exert direct influence over a region where they are outnumbered 100:1.
Israel has worse odds than Rhodesia.
You’re coping because you, for ideological reasons, can not allow a justification for Rhodesia to exist.
You have already lost the moral round as everyone sees blacks are hypocritical sociopaths.
Now you’re trying to spin the “well it just wasn’t viable” angle.
It was totally viable.

Whatever “view” you hold is irrational anti-life mysticism as is every variant of leftism and liberalism.
Leftism - Destructive, hypocritical, and filled with delusion and mysticism, it is the African of ideology.
>>18431795
We had a generation who had zero hardship.
When that generation passes you’re all dead.
We have the most nukes. Most chemical weapons. Most advanced technology.

What China is doing to blacks today, we can do on a global scale and much faster.
Will you then admit we are your natural betters?
>>18431457
>YOU MUST REFORM SAAR
what? Why?
>dey deserve it
Who? What? Violent idiots who couldn’t build a functional state deserve what? The benefits of things they could never create?
No. They deserve the Gaza treatment at best.
>>18431494
Rhodesia wasn’t doomed to fail. Rhodesia never failed. They were sanctioned from the outside. External forces defeated them.
Was Israel doomed to fail? Well why didn’t they?

>>18431971
Education doesn’t make someone smart, moron. You think food comes from the store too? Gasoline comes from gas stations?
You don’t understand second and third order cause and effect.

Lacking the genes which confer an IQ above 87 is what makes Zimbaboons what they are.
You understand?

>>18431448
wasn't he a fag?

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>>18430865
WE WUZ types think that Africans are capable of exploiting the land resources but big bad Whitey literally made off with all of it like some Hamburglar emptying out a vault.
Meanwhile after thousands of years, Whites are magically able to do it to land they have been sitting on in Europe for thousands of years.
How could they have 'emptied' Africa when they were only present in Africa for mere decades by comparison?
Ancient Yakubian magics they stole from them?

>>18431974
Casualties are irrelevant if you do not have enough men to begin with, and the Rhodesians didn't. They were able to decisively win almost every engagement, sure, but there were just too few of them to engage all of the guerillas pouring in from across the border. And the ones who slipped through the cracks to run wild in the countryside unabated were only increasing in number as the years went by.
Lack of materiel was much less of an issue, before South Africa started cutting them off it was hardly even an issue, and South Africa only did so because they correctly saw that 1v20 was completely unwinnable in the long run.

>>18432022
>casualties are irrelevant
But that’s not what you said. You said they were taking unsustainable losses. They didn’t take any losses.
Also they had enough men. When they had sufficient materiel they were able to not only defend but stage offensives.
>unwinnable
Israel is still winning against worse odds in an actual 20 to 1.
Rhodesia had problems with fuel, rubber, spare parts, medicine, and ammunition.
They had these because of international sanctions.
The idea of a racial ethnostate dominating niggers is sound and it worked. In fact it worked completely independently of the outside world for years.
Rhodesia was self sufficient in ways Israel is not.
Rhodesia only fell when external forces went against them - the two global superpowers and their own mother country.
South Africa only cut them off because they were themselves facing pressure from the liberals and communists.

Look it’s very simple.
Rhodesia wasn’t refuted. Proven wrong. Or defeated in a fair war of liberation.
By all accounts of honor and recognize justice among men, Rhodesia was in the right.
Today we see the mistake of the liberals and communists.
We should make Rhodesia again. Wouldn’t be hard given how Whites remain the dominant race in the world.

>>18432049
>You said they were taking unsustainable losses.
I never said that, different anon, though ANY losses are technically unsustainable if you don't have enough men to begin with.
And they staged raids, not full-scale offensives, against guerilla bases in Zambia and Mozambique which actually required alot less manpower than what they needed to efficiently hold the border, and that's largely why they did it.
>Israel is still winning against worse odds in an actual 20 to 1.
Laughably false, though Israel is also very unsustainable, maybe even more so.
Without US support they're done. If they had to pay their own very steep bills their living standard would drop to the floor, and they would never be willing to make that sacrifice. Now that US public opinion has decisively turned against them it is only really a matter of time before the American government does so aswell.
Though the way it's going now they might honestly undo themselves before the funnel of American gibs runs dry.
>Rhodesia only fell when external forces went against them
Yes, specifically Mozambique. Rhodesia was sanctioned and isolated since day 1 by the US, the UK, and the USSR, but it didn't fucking work as they could just import everything through South Africa. Portugal giving up their colonies is what did the trick as holding the Zambian border was managable, holding the Mozambiqan border aswell wasn't. And the Portuguese colonies were even more unsustainable, needing very poorly motivated soldiers from Europe to fend off their own rebels.
>South Africa only cut them off because they were themselves facing pressure from the liberals and communists.
Do you really think Vorster was so fucking retarded that he would make such a huge strategic decision solely to please people who would hate him either way?

>>18432049
>By all accounts of honor and recognize justice among men, Rhodesia was in the right.
They lost.
>We should make Rhodesia again.
So you want to go to Africa and have your state basically subsidize your race fantasy larp? We already have Israel for that.
>Wouldn’t be hard given how Whites remain the dominant race in the world.
But they spend their time bitching about the Chinese, refusing to do any basic infrastructure projects or investments, somehow giving Russia more or less a thumbs up while Ukraine is given basically 3rd hand equipment and weapons as "support".

>>18431977
No one is falling for your grade school logic. The impact of education to this day one of the most important factors in pretty much every facet of life and development.

>Lacking the genes which confer an IQ above 87 is what makes Zimbaboons what they are.
Zimbabwe is developing though. You race war fetish doesn't negate literal decades of the proven track record of public education and access to post secondary institutions around the world. Why should anyone believe your "I barely passed HS and I hold a grudge against any form of educational attainment and/or the act of learning" loser ass?

>>18431874
>Britain broke this paternal relationship when they declared they were working towards "majority rule" where black people would inevitably vote in a despot like Mugabe, evict white people and steal decades of hard work to develop the Rhodesian economy. Rhodesia was no longer an imperial dominion, thus the 19th century virtues longer applied.
The empire coddled and babied thwir area for decades and now "Rhodesians" are getting angry at daddy because he's not enabling them anymore? How spoiled are you to even think that?

>>18431795
This isn't a white person by my measurement. You can have him. Take his bussy cherry.

>>18431977
Did you know that scores in IQ tests can be increased by giving the takes education in the subjects covered in IQ tests.
Thereby, literally, increasing their IQ.

>>18432004
>WE WUZ types think that Africans are capable of exploiting the land resources
They were though. The region had a blatant history of mining and trading.
>big bad Whitey literally made off with all of it like some Hamburglar emptying out a vault.
Seizing land and assets, depressing wages to the absolute floor, creating racial hierarchies, refusing to properly spread access to education past the bare minimum and such all lead to that conclusion lol.

>>18431974
Imagine being this entitled. Why do you think you deserve to rule and dominate over other people just becauae of some narrative you jerk off to? Why the fuck would you come to Africa to do that? Why not just stay home?

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>>18431924
>What makes you think the White Rhodesians would have allowed that?
The British did it in India. Because it would be their own civil service improving the country's infrastructure, albeit until the handover, but then it will ensure stability for the white Rhodesians that stay.

>why do you pretend that the problems that Zimbabwe faces now are a result it not being Rhodesia, rather than it having been Rhodesia
How did you come to the conclusion that some black people not going to university 50 years ago is the cause of Zimbabwe's eternal destitution? How does it compare to Mugabe's despotism and bizarre economic policies over 37 years? If you were to try and quantify the causes of Zimbabwe's problems, I'd start by looking at the past 20 years, not a specific period that ended 46 years ago, not that it isn't relevant, but the question is to what extent?

The reality is white Rhodesians brought expertise and capital investment and trained black people to operate and repair the machinery of their modern commercial farms and various light industries that cropped up, this could have been their introduction to a modern economy if Mugabe allowed it to continue. The fact they were "colonial exploiters" wasn't that relevant in the larger scale of things even if it deeply offends you.

>your logic is the exact same as a Leninist's on Russia today: pretending that Russia's current problems are solely the result of it ceasing to be Soviet Union, instead of it having been the Soviet Union for decades
Russia voted for Putin just as Zimbabwe voted for Mugabe. Neither society was ready for democracy. It is interesting that poor countries like India and Brazil manage to maintain a semblance of democracy yet a wealthier one like Russia failed to do so, yet India became a democracy and Poland managed to become a democracy despite decades of communism, neither colonialism nor communism can really be pinned as a major cause.

>>18432639
>Muh education
Let's look at more developed sub-Saharan African nations and see how much higher their average IQ is compared to that of Zimbabwe.

>>18428805
Ian Smith was a moderate.

>>18428800
>loyalty is just following orders

>>18432726
>then it will ensure stability for the white Rhodesians that stay.
Lmao it will just give them total control amd status. Same with India too.

>How did you come to the conclusion that some black people not going to university 50 years ago is the cause of Zimbabwe's eternal destitution?
Education is vital to development. Neglecting that is a major reason why Rhodesia as a state was so behind post ww2. White Rhodesiana had to travel to fucking SA and UK for university education.

>>18432734
Still doubling down? You think any developed country would remotely have a decent economy if we just scuttled the entire education system and just left it to severely budget starved missionaries?

>>18432726
>trained black people to operate and repair the machinery of their modern commercial farms and various light industries that cropped up, this could have been their introduction to a modern economy if Mugabe allowed it to continue
The sheer ignorance lol. Foreign firms were the only ones thay potential hired blacks in semi skilled positions but most firms did nkt hire Africans. In top of that training was extremely restricted, a school for semi-skilled training was forcefully closed down after white unions bullied the RF. Education was severely restricted and jobs were handed out on a racial tiering system that also discriminated the incomes they handed out. Unskilled White farm labourers were paid way more than Africans for the exact same work. Racially pegged pay differentials was an innate part of the system and the Rhodesian state also maintained a two tier educational systems. The role of the African in the state was literally just being labour fodder, if the system went on Indians wod have flooded the country and pushed out the white Rhodesiana over time in economic control lol

>>18432787
Why didn’t the blacks just leave? 99% of them weren’t native tribesmen.
>>18432722
Rule by conquest is a universally recognized principle and was recognized absolutely by the blacks in Rhodesia as evidenced by them choosing to fight rather than to flee.
>what right do you have
We are better.
>>18432639
>subjects covered in IQ tests
This is the typical black Marxist who’s never seen an IQ test. There are no “subjects” they are completely independent of culture, language, and education because they are measuring simple pattern recognition. Shapes and patterns. There is nothing to be “educated” in.
blacks are worse at detecting patterns and abstracting them.
>>18432719
There was zero history of heavy extraction industry before Europeans arrived.
>seizing
From who? Africans had no land deeds, no civic structure to confer titles, they were simply just existing, they didn’t own anything.
>racial hierarchy
Stronger and smarter men will always be at the top.
>properly spread across education
Education? These people do nothing with education. It means nothing to them.

>>18432781
>education
YOU CAN NOT EDUCATE 87 IQ AFRICANS
Wealthy intelligent countries create education. They do not start with education.
Education has to be created, it requires intelligent people.
Finland and Iceland were severely lacking in education historically speaking, yet their HDI is extremely high because they had the raw potential to succeed.
90% of “Rhodesians” lacked that potential.

>>18432781
>education
YOU CAN NOT EDUCATE 87 IQ AFRICANS
Wealthy intelligent countries create education. They do not start with education.
Education has to be created, it requires intelligent people.
Finland and Iceland were severely lacking in education historically speaking, yet their HDI is extremely high because they had the raw potential to succeed.
90% of “Rhodesians” lacked that potential.

>>18432905
>This is the typical black Marxist who’s never seen an IQ test. There are no “subjects” they are completely independent of culture, language, and education because they are measuring simple pattern recognition. Shapes and patterns. There is nothing to be “educated” in.
>blacks are worse at detecting patterns and abstracting them.
Pattern recognition can be taught.

>>18432905
>There are no “subjects”
>they are measuring simple pattern recognition. Shapes and patterns. T
Wouldn't that make pattern recognition...the subject of the test?

>>18431833
Betraying the Empire for the race is righteous.

>>18432726
>albeit until the handover
>handover
Bow you're just admitting that minority rule was unsutainable.

>>18432905
Why don't the whites just leave?

>>18432726
>Neither society was ready for democracy.
Maybe if the Africans in Zimbabwe weren't being artificially kept poor and undereducated by the Rhodesian government, they might have been more ready.

>>18432905
>>18432905
You're a dishonest liar, Mutapas and their succesors of the 14th-19th century extracted gold and used it to enrich the state long before Rhodesia was even considered to come into existence. Your /pol/tard anime villain speech at the end is hardly worth addressing, but you should know that the first whites to arrive in Zimbabwe (the Portuguese) were essentially puppets who were in a completely subservient position to the kings of Zimbabwe after they were defeated. Even after their collapse the land was populated by confederal governmental and or semi-governmental organized states, so Rhodesia was by definition a seizure of sovereign black land. You tried to make Europe in Africa and got fucked, deal with it.

>>18432907
>YOU CAN NOT EDUCATE 87 IQ AFRICANS
Plenty of educated Africans allover Africa.
>Wealthy intelligent countries create education. They do not start with education.
You dont even know the history of education in your own country lmao.
>Finland and Iceland were severely lacking in education historically speaking, yet their HDI is extremely high because they had the raw potential to succeed
Literal "Muh special people delusions", why are you so pathetic? Just accept the fact that you want to live in an Anglo version of those shitty plantation states in central American back in the early-mid 20th century but replace natives and poor mestizos with Africans.

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>>18432124
>your wife sucked your dick for years and now you're angry she's sucking another guy's dick?

>>18432781
>>18433018
Are you >>18431924 ? I was referring to Britain's actions, not the actions of Rhodesia.

>If anything you should fault Britain for being too eager to abandon Africa to its fate rather than stay a few decades more to develop a civil service and national army as they had done in India

Had Britain not accepted "majority rule" until Africa was stable it is unlikely Rhodesia would secede since there would be no imminent crisis ruining millions of people's lives, and not just white people's as history proved. Most Rhodesians wanted the same opportunity as South Africa to decide on their own, just like the Confederacy wanted to avoid unfair northern tariffs and end slavery on its own terms.

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>>18432787
>>18433038
Rhodesians not giving black people the career opportunities and salaries they felt entitled to in the 70s does not hold a candle to the raw destruction and stagnation under Mugabe through the 80s, 90s and 00s, the Gukurahundi massacre, 10% AIDS rates and so on and so forth. We could debate endlessly the extent of the alleged "racism" and how damaging it is, but it does not change this essential truth. If Rhodesia is guilty of anything it is not going to the extremes necessary to stop Mugabe and people like him.

And how bad was it really? Those jobs wouldn't exist in the first place if white people had not suddenly come to Africa with their capital and expertise. Further, by your own admission, "white unions bullied the RF", so.. socialists? Marxists like Mugabe. Rhodesia can be faulted perhaps for not being some perfectly individualistic utopia that judges everyone purely by their abilities, but then no society has ever existed, even today black people push for DEI to discriminate against white people. Further black people objectively have higher crime rates and lower academic achievement thus lower potential, so even with a "level playing field" they'd still get paid less by discerning businesses.

>>18433451
>the raw destruction and stagnation under Mugabe through the 80s, 90s and 00s, the Gukurahundi massacre, 10% AIDS rates and so on and so forth.
These are the direct result of handing power to a population that has been purposefully kept under-educated and and politically powerless. Zimbabwe was destined to disaster due to the policies of Rhodesia, the purpose of which was to keep the white minority population in charge.

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>>18430858
>muh tactically undefeated
Did they achieve their goals? If not, then they weren't victories. Yeah, they killed a lot of guerillas, but that doesn't matter if you don't accomplish anything beyond that.

>Blacks could vote and had a right to the franchise
Lmao. The whites controlled 75% of the seats in the house of the assembly while being 5-8% of the population. The over 90% of the population was granted only indirect representation through politically neutered tribal representatives and a handful of disorganized independents.

>the fall of Rhodesia, and now it's ruins are called Zimbabwe
>white minority purposely destroys any african organization and repeatedly leaves africans with no other option for opposition than guerilla warlords
>whites wring their hands and moan "how could we have been taken over by guerilla warlords???"
It was a direct consequence of the Ian Smith's actions. His histrionics are meaningless in the face of this.

>>18433451
Dude just ask for welfare instead of having an empire subsidize your ass and waste 10x thr expenses doing so. Its that simple

>>18433451
>Those jobs wouldn't exist in the first place if white people had not suddenly come to Africa with their capital and expertise.
So are contradicting yourself again
>Further, by your own admission, "white unions bullied the RF", so.. socialists? Marxists like Mugabe.
Not socialists you Americanized genetic dead-end.
>Rhodesia can be faulted perhaps for not being some perfectly individualistic utopia that judges everyone purely by their abilities, but then no society has ever existed
Literally refused to invest any money or support for the vast 97% of the population.
>then no society has ever existed, even today black people push for DEI to discriminate against white people.
Brah your support of Rhodesia hinges on it existing to bleed so a small minority of whites can larp as middle class.
>Further black people objectively have higher crime rates and lower academic achievement thus lower potential, so even with a "level playing field" they'd still get paid less by discerning businesses
We arent talking about Black yanks. Africa isn't your isekai anime to skip around in lol.

>>18433448
>Most Rhodesians wanted the same opportunity as South Africa to decide on their own.
Both wanted perpetual white minority rule.
>just like the Confederacy wanted to avoid unfair northern tariffs and end slavery on its own terms.
The confederacy woumd have innovated new ways to bind white people into forced/pseudo slavery. Like they already did with indentured labour and prison labour policies as is in the South towards both races. Imagine being able to ramp that up even further and have the federal government having to clean up the mess for ages.

>>18428800
I started reading about Rhodesia recently, it's a sad story but fascinating. It's annoying that extremists on both sides seem to spin it to suit their side though. It seemed like it had potential to be great if it was allowed to be

>>18434697
>It's annoying that extremists on both sides seem to spin it to suit their side though
What kind of golden mean fallacy bullshit is this?
>It seemed like it had potential to be great if it was allowed to be
As in completely unable to to actually do anything because most of the population was either uneducated on one hand or a totally complacent that there was never any incentive to do better or actually grow?

>>18434187
Why would the White Anglo UK give a fuck about the White-Anglo-ruled Rhodesia? Logically they should support each other. This isn't entitlement, it's simple common sense. The UK should have helped Rhodesia sterilize the blacks so that it could be White-majority ruled in one generation.

>>18434729
>This isn't entitlement, it's simple common sense.
It is entitlement. After two world wars and Britain getting bombed by the Germans the empire was in no postion to demand a total status quo reset after basically begging for help across the colonies+Commonwealth and basically hustling for war repair funds through heavy taxation.

>The UK should have helped Rhodesia sterilize the blacks so that it could be White-majority ruled in one generation.
With what tech at the time? Rhodesia needed the African laboue class becuase the entire economy hinged off the profit margins generated by mines+farms employing labourers who's wage floors have been depressed into the floor.

>>18434697
Nah it was doomed from the start, a society with such wide contrasts in human capital could never be sustainable without harsh repression and that repression would only kick the problem down the road.

>>18434729
Anglos are not ethnocentric, that is why White Anglos in the UK turned their backs on the White Anglo victims of grooming gangs while punishing White Anglos for using bad words on the internet.

>>18434749
>Whites NEEDED blacks
No they didn’t and they never did.
>the economy
What economy? What? What were blacks producing? What was so necessary?
>economies can never change
Whites are a hyperproductive highly innovative group.
Countries like Iran, Israel, Mexico, The USSR, have had massive population movements without collapsing their economy.
So no blacks were not necessary and if Rhodesians were given the choice between status quo or White majority country, they’d choose White majority.

>>18434770
Works for gulf states.
Worked for Israel.
Worked for Rhodesia and South Africa historically.
Worked for New Zealand.
>>18434722
>actually do anything
What does this even mean? What is a country “supposed to do”???
Countries grow naturally. They aren’t “supposed” to do anything.
>dey have an obligation to uplift da black man
Actually the way blacks are they have an obligation to suppress them as much as possible.

>>18434184
Maybe the blacks should have gone home to their ancestral tribes instead of moving to a White African country??
>larp
It’s not a larp though.
>small minority of warrior elite Whites
Yes, Rhodesia was based and had an Aryan system. Their mistake was allowing any blacks in at all. Should have imported Whites, had a ton of kids, and removed blacks completely.
>thats impossible
It’s not it works for Israel.
But if it was possible to you, would you admit this is what they should have done?

You are pretending it’s unrealistic, but even if it was realistic you wouldnt agree with it anyway.
You pretend to be a friend saying “this is impractical” but really you’re an enemy saying “you aren’t allowed to do that”

You aren’t a White nationalist. Why the fuck do you get a say on what Whites should or shouldn’t do?
You don’t.

>>18433939
>they weren’t victories
They were lol.
Napoleon never won a single battle because in the end he was exiled to a tiny island, that’s nonsense.
>NOOOO YOU HAVE TO LET A FOREIGN PEOPLE FLOURISH
why? We aren’t black. We don’t owe them anything.
>its Dey land
No it’s not. They’re Congolese tribals whose genetic tests show an affinity for West Africa, not Central-South.
Even still if they were native well so what? Whites aren’t obligated to them.

At the end of the day, you’re just in this thread to oppose Whites therefore you post inherently bad faith takes.

>>18433882
>it was Whitey’s fault
No, it wasn’t. Blacks inherited a functional state and they destroyed it.
>they was kept down
By what? They weren’t kept down by “under education”. How much education is necessary to know you shouldn’t rape and steal?
How much education is necessary to dig a whole and pick shinies out of mud?
Zimbabwe had a politically active foreign educated elite.
They squandered every advantage they had because their average IQ is in the 80s and they are prone to antisocial behaviors.
That’s why they failed.
If you dropped a bunch of uneducated White farmers into Rhodesia, they’d build Rhodesia.

>>18433357
>plenty of educated Africans
Nope
European literacy is above 95%.
SSA literacy rate is not even 70%.
Being IQ locked at Koko the gorilla automatically precludes them from producing a productive educated class because any high achievers will either leave or spend their efforts corralling the mass of their literally simian level IQ countrymen.
>you don’t know your own country’s history
And what country is that?
>muh special people
New cope just dropped.
IQ varies by group just as it varies by individuals.
There’s nothing magical about group differences.
>just admit you want to live around White people
Guilty as charged.
>plantation states
They were plantations as a compromise because the alternative is murdering every black we get our hands on, which we have proven we can do, easily, as blacks are a short, narrow, cowardly race prone to infighting at the lowest levels and given to self sabotaging behaviors.
I’d prefer it if these were White countries rather than compromise and give the blacks “consolation” jobs.
>you need our labor
No we don’t. We have made entire countries out of nothing, that’s just what we do.
We did it first in our homelands then we did it abroad. We turned desolate deserts into paradise. Zimbaboons could not even leave the Mesolithic without contact from industrial societies.

>>18433280
>IT WAS OPULENT CHUD
no it wasn’t. It was a shithole and when Whites left it immediately became an AIDs ridden shithole like every other black state.
>ITS DA LACK OF EDUCATION
There were no Rhodesians in Nigeria or Angola or Lesotho.
These are still AIDs ridden shitholes.
The answer is biological.

What evidence do you need to see to admit it’s biological?
>NAH MAN WE CAN BE GREAT
no you can’t.

>>18433027
they tried but the blacks followed them like dogs following the one who feeds them.
>>18432996
Pattern recognition isn’t a ‘Subject’ (proper noun). It is a ‘subject’ as in a common noun, like a topic.
For example. ‘Reptiles’ can be a topic of discussion, but there is no course at Cambridge called ‘Reptiles’ which would be an educational subject in the way ‘Biology’ is a subject that would cover a topic like Reptiles. Do you understand nuance?
Or are you going to double down on the semantic word game like blacks are notorious for doing?
>dey call it “history” because it’s “his story” mmhmm dats rite we finna call it “our story”
Is pattern recognition too European coded?
>>18432976
Teach someone with Down syndrome, a genetic factor, to recognize patterns at the Mensa level.

>>18435079
>Works for gulf states.
Total messes and no one wants to live or work there long term.
>Worked for Israel.
It didn't. Israel wasnn't even that exceptional at all.
>Worked for Rhodesia and South Africa historically
Both sucked total ass and it's sad you try to glam up a what was overall two states that failed to remotely even come close to what their worshippers claimed those states were.
>Worked for New Zealand
A massive chunk of their population lives in Australia and the entire country is basically an extension of Australia at tgis point.

>>18435076
>Countries like Iran, Israel, Mexico, The USSR, have had massive population movements without collapsing their economy.
Wait so you're PRAISING states like USSR (and by extension the Chinese)? While being a Rhodieboo?

>>18435079
>>18435076
>>18435081
>>18435086
>>18435096
>>18435104
So you hate Africans so much but you want to be surrounded by them 24/7 and hypothetically have your home country's entire identity revolve around an industry of abusing them. All so you can get dunked on by Asians, Indians, LatAms, other African states etc. All so you can larp as a shitty planter elite (or wage slave for one) while burning in the sun.

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>>18433357
African Americans have been buttered up and down by fawning leftists for decades and their IQ is still at 85, raw Africans dropping to less than 70 in many cases.

In a Finnish classroom you can expect to find 2 or 3 such students capable of becoming the best engineers and professionals capable of maintaining the complex systems that modern civilization depends on. In America's inner city schools you'd have to search 4 or 5 classrooms to find just 1, although more than this will go to college, they do so over whites and east asians with better grades, they are more like diploma mills and would be an instant fail in a university in China. In Africa you'd have to look through dozens of classrooms and would probably earn a visit from Chris Hansen before you find 1.

Colonialism makes sense and I think in the future we will see recolonization with genetically modified super-aryans utilizing AI and advanced technology making a return to Africa with Africans enjoying the wealth trickling down and more humane than their own leaders. If not, China will do it. Africans and black people in general are fucked the moment this modern age of prosperity and freedom is over. They're already fucked even with the entire western world and its governments constantly bowing and scraping and worshiping them. The green revolution and allowing them to multiply uncontrollably will cause untold suffering.

>>18435150
>Colonialism makes sense and I think in the future we will see recolonization with genetically modified super-aryans utilizing AI and advanced technology making a return to Africa with Africans enjoying the wealth trickling down and more humane than their own leaders. If not, China will do it. Africans and black people in general are fucked the moment this modern age of prosperity and freedom is over.
Jesus. Whenever wignats learn their nations are done, and that their 2 or so centuries of undisputed global dominance is rapidly dying and they will be outlived by Africans who utilized a long lasting system of high birth rates, as well as geopolitically replaced in the world order by China, they cope with Metal Gear style AI fantasies of recolonization.

>>18435150
>Africans enjoying the wealth trickling down and more humane than their own leaders
uh I hope not. We must leave the word 'humane' behind altogether. And say it how it is: most of humanity is worthless biomass and in the way of a higher form of human development
>>18435153
either way, only white people and maybe east asians are capable of higher development. Once they are gone humanity will fall into eternal darkness. Nothing Ever Happens will be finalized. Humans, the Last Man, will live and they will be happy. But that will be the end of it

>>18435090
>inherited a functional state
Rhodesia's "functionailty" was keeping the vast majority of its population under-educated and under-earning, doing everything it could to limit any potential in them.

>>18430947
Yes it does, the only exception is God where you're not entitled to anything from Him. But in human relations all loyalty is subject to legitimacy.

>>18435150
Why do south asians love rape but not homicide?