It’s probably a communist thing. North Korea and East Germany had a similar sound to the Red Army choir.

>>18429223
>and yet they don’t make bangers anymore
he vast majority of Red Army songs were just old Russian folk/soldiers' tunes from Tsarist days with rewritten lyrics anyway.
Also when the USSR collapsed, the Russians lost that confidence and spirit which motivated them to write awesome military songs. None of them were inspired to write songs about Yeltsin's shitty Russian Federation. Most Russian army songs in the 1990s were more so of this sort lol:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHCzaiJEoEY&list=PLWKED-g5SozJhmCGY2uRqdwrKPJAwppkC&index=7

Anyway, here's a pretty sweet channel that archives a ton of rarer/lesser known Soviet army songs, especially from the Stalin era.
https://www.youtube.com/@wanocs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRhgBanTgLw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRP_mLTf8Z0&list=RDNRhgBanTgLw&index=2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRX0RCEIb-E&list=RDNRhgBanTgLw&index=13

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>>18429223
>Why did the USSR have such a strong music culture in the military while the best modern Russia has is shitty midi sings by randos or solo guitar sings by soldiers
Well that music had to follow certain guidelines, and the military songs had a function which was to express unity in a forward march. The values are very different from what's often expressed in popular culture because it's about unity, strength, and sacrifice to make you want to fight a battle. This isn't exclusive to communist cultures, this is a campaign song for the Tisza party in Hungary which sounds like they're about to oust Orban at the time of this post, but it operates on that wavelength, which is propaganda:
https://youtu.be/SJhZdcrob_I

Also they had huge choruses to make them sound epic. Music is a really crazy thing, you can get people to kill other people with music. Pop culture works on a different wavelength. The Russian stuff from nowadays that I like tends to be female pop singers who are inhabiting some kind of cyberpunk Zoolander universe (I'm a faggot though, and there's your based and trad culture of modern Russia), and unlike Western pop singers they are openly praising egotism and just not giving a fuck about anything or anybody else, which can feel empowering. No false modesty in Russia. But it is like the complete inversion of the Soviet Union, or that's what the USSR ended up producing in the end, and history has a habit of turning to its opposites:
https://youtu.be/1LAZR3gK_uw

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>>18429251
>Music is a really crazy thing, you can get people to kill other people with music
not OP but i've really been meaning to study musical history more. Kurt Vonnegut really was right when he said that music is the only proof that one needs to understand that God (or some sort of higher Creator) exists. It's incredibly striking how music is literally the only one of man's inventions that has been universally extremely popular everywhere, at all time periods.
>Confucius insisted at great length on the virtues of music as the most powerful agent working for social and political harmony. This foremost instrument of peace and understanding—the only form of art which he repeatedly mentions in his works—should be taught to all, regardless of social status or intellectual endowment, as the most potent medium of transformation of evil into good.
>Why did the wise sage attribute such importance to music? Perhaps because it is, in Beethoven’s words, “the one incorporeal entrance into a higher world,” the most ethereal of all arts, unsubstantial in the extreme and yet the most profound of all human forms of expression. Contrary to philosophy, literature, poetry or plastic arts, which “represent” indirectly, music is pure “reality” itself. Being immaterial, it can reach a perfection unknown to plastic arts and, being immensely profound, music can reveal to man’s intuition the depths of a particular Culture which gave rise to it as no other medium could.

>>18429223
>The red army choir is probably one of the best cultural soft powers and yet they don’t make bangers anymore
That's because the Soviet Union isn't around anymore. It's been 34 years...

>>18429971
he's talking about the choir that still performs in red army uniforms and sings Soviet songs; it still exists

>>18429971
It’s renamed ‘Alelsandrov ensemble’ or something like that but it still exists.

>>18429223
Its kind of strange that high culture was promoted in communism

>>18429971
Crazy to think within 34 years of the establishment of the Soviet Union they defeated Nazi Germany, liberated half of Europe, became the biggest industry on earth behind the United States, achieved near total 100% literacy housing and electrification, built over 1,000 major dams and power plants, modernized agriculture and put men in space.

Now what have any of these countries managed to achieve of similar caliber in this same timeframe since adopting capitalism?

>>18429242

alot of russian music is based off gypsy folk music
similar to how american musical tradition was heavily influenced by negroes

>>18431597
The Soviet union achieved "100% housing" by crowding most people into barracks at over two families per room well into the 70s. Their modernization of agriculture coincides with Russia transitioning from the largest grain exporter to the one of the largest importers.

>>18430115
Why rename it?

>>18431621
Was going to correct you by saying Irish but they are just as bad

>>18431597
>achieved near total 100% literacy housing and electrification
Too bad they didn't invest in plumbing with all the open defecation

>>18431597
>since adopting capitalism?
Look at China

>>18429223
The USSR was a real nation with a strong music culture, space culture and many other cultures.

Modern Russia is just masquerading as a nation.

>>18431597
And the nazis did more for less time, but I don't see you dickriding them?

>>18429223
Military Culture and Musical tradition was largely inspired by the Ottoman Empire and later Napoleons armies. The USSR likely adopted these traditions because Communism was still seen as new and hadn't really been tried before the October Revolution so they had more of a motivation to project legitimacy on a world stage.

Modern Russia doesn't really give a shit if they appear legitimate or not. They have nothing to prove, Russia today is just an economic zone controlled by a handful of Oligarchs. Also the Internet has lead to the death of culture, and this is far more apparent in third world despots who spam shitty edits with phonk music to project faux-strength because it's far easier and cheaper for the state to produce. Quantity over quality basically.

>>18432270
USSR needed the approval of the world, because they wanted to be a top player in it. So they cared about image at least somewhat.

Modern Russia does not. They pretty much accepted their role as a regional power. Much easier to be ignored and even hated. A top power can't afford being hated. See the lesson of the 3rd Reich, who did even less for their likability than modern Russia does, but who weren't content being a small power, so didn't survive very long.

>>18429223
Russia focuses on other things, like, actually fighting well

>>18430109
>performs in red army uniforms
Really?

>>18429223
The pool of people trained in composing for marches, or coordinate classical music is smaller relatively, and probably also absolutely, compared to the 1930s-1950s. They've also got more options than doing things for the state. The same is true for the poets who wrote many of the lyrics.

Globally, with the exception of national anthems, that sort of composition also petered out around that time.

Many of those songs were written for films, especially propaganda films. Cinema's relevance peaked in the 1940s and so there was less incentive on the part of the state to fund such projects after that occurred, and arguably, shifting audience taste and familiarity made them less effective. 1955's "Let's Go/V put'" originated as an insert song for a movie, as did
>>18429242
Esli Zavtra Voina/If Tomorrow a War, the bottom link here.
It was composed for the eponymous film by Dimitrii Pokrass. He also composed Three Tankists/Tri Tankista (also for a film), March of the Soviet Tankers/Marsh Tankistov (also for a film), and Cossacks in Berlin/Kazaki v Berline. His brother Samuel Pokrass composed White Army, Black Baron/The Red Army is the Strongest (interestingly, he moved to America and wrote music for The Three Musketeers). Their brother Daniil Pokrass also worked on compositions. Using them as an example, that sort of work mostly dried up after World War II. Even when they continued to compose for state projects (like the BAM march), those didn't achieve penetration that the wartime songs achieved.

>>18433043
The 'best' modern Russia has near that category would be things like the Cossack songs, like When We We At War/Kogda Mi Buili na Voine (1980s), or A Bullet Whistled Past/Boт Пyля Пpocвиcтeлa (1983).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aotd_oi7v18

Closer would be something like Forward, Russia/Bпepeд, Poccия
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtQwlR80GG0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6rCPaM5iQY

Or, Hold on Brother/It's Been Worse/Дepжиcь Бpaтoк/Бывaлo Хyжe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9e_Moyc2

There are also the works of Lyube, like Kon, Yesaul, Kombat, Soldat, and Davai Za, though none of them are marches.

Otherwise, the scene largely converged with pop. Thus, things like Donbass is for Us/Donbass Za Nami
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emsIETnzzkU

>>18433073
>Hold on Brother/It's Been Worse/Дepжиcь Бpaтoк/Бывaлo Хyжe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9e_Moyc2ww

Other than that, it's not specific to Russia. China still does songs of that sort, like When that Day Comes/当那一天来临 (2005) or March of Steel Torrent/钢铁洪流进行曲 (2019), but seemingly mostly for special occasions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbmjkLBybvk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4kfhy5Kzkk

>>18433073
>Donbass is for Us/Donbass Za Nami
Behind, not for
Ack Chyu al-Lee