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Why were rodents and vermin such a huge problem in the West but not in the Third World? 04/12/26(Sun)09:29:24 No.18429310
Why were rodents and vermin such a huge problem in the West but not in the Third World? 04/12/26(Sun)09:29:24 No.18429310
Why were rodents and vermin such a huge problem in the West but not in the Third World? Anonymous 04/12/26(Sun)09:29:24 No.18429310 [Reply]▶
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There are no reports of Ibn Taymiyyah or any of these medieval scholars saying they are overrun with vermin because of trash being thrown in rivers.
When we are shown the life of the Abbasids we are shown clean, fresh rivers that people consume water from, crystal clean palaces.
When you see reports of medieval London or Paris the issue of rotting garbage being thrown everywhere is a major calamity.
Even the Black Plague was not caused by dumped trash in the streets.
It's the same today as well. Modern trash disposal systems simply don't exist in many Muslim, African and Latin American countries and yet you don't see the people from those lands complain about being overrun with vermin on the streets and disease. In countries like Bolivia, India, Syria, Pakistan and Nigeria people simply throw rubbish and trash in piles on the street and it's left to rot away. Yet you do not see those people complaining of rats, mice and cockroaches in their homes. But one missed waste collection in New York, Toronto or London and it's a public health crisis.
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Confirmation bias. The nobles reading the works of Ibn Taymiyyah didn't want to hear about commoners casting shit out into the streets. It was only during the renaissance in Europe that there was more literacy and middle classes who lived alongside commoners took interest in their squalor and wrote about it profusely.
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>>18429310
Rodents aren't drawn to any old garbage anon, it's our food waste they're after. If you live in a third world country you probably don't have a lot of food waste because you can't afford to waste any food. Not to mention it's harder for rodents to hide in your house when you live in a one room shack with no wall cavities.
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looks fine to me
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high tide
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The whole idea that rats and fleas spread the Black Death in medieval Europe comes from 17th-20th century accounts of bubonic plague in Asia, which was very visibly spread by infected rats. There's no actual evidence for it from the medieval West, where it spread to Nordic countries where rats were extremely rare.
>https://www.jstor.org/stable/44452010
>Accounts of the Indian plague epidemic of 1619 include one detail missing from all medieval accounts of the Black Death in Europe, the evidence of dying rodents. Mu’tamad Khan, Jahangir’s court chronicler, wrote, “When [the epidemic] was about to break out, a mouse would rush out of its hole as if mad, and striking itself against the door and the walls of the house, would expire. If, immediately after this signal, the occupants left the house and went away to the jungle, their lives were saved; if other-wise, the inhabitants of the whole village would be swept away by the hand of death.”
>In 1792 at Chaochow, Yunnan, rats were seen in day-time. They vomited some blood and fell dead. Human beings inhaling the odour of the dead rats rapidly succumbed. Shih Tao-nan (1765–1792), a native of Chaochow and son of the magistrate of Wangchiang, Anwhei—a young man of extraordinary talent—composed a poem Tien Yü Chi, a part of which entitled “Death of Rats” vividly described the calamity. The author himself died of plague almost immediately after.