>>18429657
Good luck deporting nearly 5 million gauls that survived the conquests, integrating them into Roman culture was the better bet.

Deport them where? How? The nearest non-Roman territory they could have feasibly moved that many people was Germania, and there were no Limes Germanicus yet to police that nebulous, vague border between Gaul and Germania so any attempt to keep any tribe on one side of it was, at the time, utterly impossible. Caeasar noted in his Commentaries that there were tribes freely moving across the Rhine.

So again: Deport them where?

>>18429759
Forgive the modern comparison but I was reading Gaulish Conquest recently and it struck me that Gaul was really an Israel/ Gaza situation. Caesar describes it like it was mostly Gallic towns and hamlets scattered everywhere with Roman military and trading outposts placed in certain areas just so they wouldn’t rebel with Romans being the equivalent of colonizers. I came away feeling Ariostovus and Arminius were heroes not Caesar.

>>18429802
Indeed, forgive my bad memory but I happen to have read somewhere that the Roman slave market stagnated for years to come given how much Gaulish slaves Caesar brought with him back from his conquest.

He’s the one who imported them. Caesar used the Gauls as a power base. Integrated Gaulish territories and made Gaulish nobles Senators, they were loyal to him. They strengthened his legitimacy and voted favorably on every piece of legislation he requested. He packed the Senate with Gauls, much to the dismay of other Senators. Why would he deport them?

>>18429802
>I came away feeling Ariostovus and Arminius were heroes not Caesar.
Because of your post-ww2 order frame of reference. You simp for le poor indigenous colonized peoples

>>18429657
free slaves innit

>>18430325
>You simp for le poor indigenous colonized peoples
Am I not supposed to feel bad for the people who were conquered and enslaved for no reason

>>18430444
>for no reason
You live in a cushy lifestyle with unlimited access to food and electricity, so you see no reason why one would ever conquer another land. Once again, you fail to look at history from any frame of reference other than yours.

>>18430444
Caesar in Bellico Gaul comes away making himself look worse than the Gauls he is fighting. Ariostovus in his speech literally says that "friend of Rome" is just a title they gave out to people they wanted to colonize so that they could have a casus belli for invading when the people didn't kowtow to them. The book is supposed to be a hit job on Gaul but he lets the truth slip through sometimes.

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>>18430444
>36 To this Ariovistus replied as follows: It was the right of war that conquerors dictated as they pleased to the conquered; and the Roman people also were accustomed to dictate to those whom they conquered, p57 not according to the order of a third party, but according to their own choice. If he, for his part, did not ordain how the Roman people should exercise their own right, he ought not to be hindered by the Roman people in the enjoyment of his own right. The Aedui, having risked the fortune of war and having been overcome in a conflict of arms, had been made tributary to himself. Caesar was doing him a serious injury, for his advance was damaging his revenues. He would not restore their hostages to the Aedui, nor would he make war on them nor on their allies without cause, if they stood to their agreement and paid tribute yearly; if not, they would find it of no assistance whatever to be called "Brethren of the Roman people." As for Caesar's declaration that he would not disregard outrages suffered by the Aedui, no one had fought with Ariovistus save to his own destruction. He might join issue when he pleased: he would learn what invincible Germans, highly trained in arms, who in a period of fourteen years had never been beneath a roof, could accomplish by their valour.

>>18430455
Fascinating how this board oscillates between
>good vs evil, mesoamericans are uncivilized subhumans for practicing human sacrifice
and
>you really need to consider the historical context behind mass child rape before judging it

>>18429657
Where would he have even deported them? Britain?

>>18431739
Where there is a shortage of resources at times people are pushed into conflict with other peoples. Rome had a vast urban poor, and all the lands in the empire were already owned and used; expansion was a necessity. War is often cruel, the practice of human sacrifice though was cruelty without real necessity. This was a culture that crafted the practice of mass human blood rituals in isolation, you can say they believed it appeased their gods but there was someone who formed that belief, and they just all went along with it. I think at the core of it though, we, as a whole, are appalled at the horrific things people did in the past on a regular basis. And so we are forced to categorize evils, consider their contexts, to understand how and under what circumstances we can be so cruel.

>>18431553
>Not a single non-Roman account survives to provide an independent perspective about Ariovistus
Oh what are the chances that a man that ended up an enemy of Rome was ostensibly an immoral hypocrite with no integrity

>>18433228
>and all the lands in the empire were already owned and used
i'm going to take a stab in the dark guess here but i assume it was the patricians maneuvering rome into a war with every neighbor it considered weak enough